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As Prison Population Sinks, Jails Are a Steal

HughPickens.com writes After rising rapidly for decades, the number of people behind bars peaked at 1.62 Million in 2009, has been mostly falling ever since down, and many justice experts believe the incarceration rate will continue on a downward trajectory for many years. New York, for example, saw an 8.8% decline in federal and state inmates, and California, saw a 20.6% drop. Now the WSJ reports on an awkward byproduct of the declining U.S. inmate population: empty or under-utilized prisons and jails that must be cared for but can't be easily sold or repurposed. New York state has closed 17 prisons and juvenile-justice facilities since 2011, following the rollback of the 1970s-era Rockefeller drug laws, which mandated lengthy sentences for low-level offenders. So far, the state has found buyers for 10 of them, at prices that range from less than $250,000 to about $8 million for a facility in Staten Island, often a fraction of what they cost to build. "There's a prisoner shortage," says Mike Arismendez, city manager for Littlefield, Texas, home of an empty five-building complex that sleeps 383 inmates and comes with a gym, maintenence shed, armory, and parking lot . "Everybody finds it hard to believe."

The incarceration rate is declining largely because crime has fallen significantly in the past generation. In addition, many states have relaxed harsh sentencing laws passed during the tough-on-crime 1980s and 1990s, and have backed rehabilitation programs, resulting in fewer low-level offenders being locked up. States from Michigan to New Jersey have changed parole processes, leading more prisoners to leave earlier. On a federal level, the Justice Department under Attorney General Eric Holder has pushed to reduce sentences for nonviolent drug offenders. Before 2010, the U.S. prison population increased every year for 30 years, from 307,276 in 1978 to a high of 1,615,487 in 2009. "This is the beginning of the end of mass incarceration," says Natasha Frost. "People don't care so much about crime, and it's less of a political focus."

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  1. Prison population by galgon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Am I the only one who thought the prison population was at an all time high?

    1. Re:Prison population by invid · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's especially surprising considering that there is a population bulge of young people with the Millennials. Conventional wisdom states that since most crimes are committed by people in their teens and twenties, such a population bulge would increase crime. I guess it's time to toss out conventional wisdom.

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    2. Re:Prison population by jabuzz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The rise in crime since WWII is a historical blip in a long term (on the scale of centuries) downward trend.

      Why it is dropping is the million dollar question and nobody knows for sure. It is commonly known as the "Crime Conundrum" and it is unlikely that prison has anything to do with it because the same drop in crime is being seen across the developed world with countries that have wildly different incarceration policies.

    3. Re:Prison population by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Lead in pretrol. The rise in crime and the subsequent drop tracks the curve of the amount of lead released in the enviroment due to using TEL as a fuel additive almost perfectly. Children breatling in air with elevated levels lead are more likely to exhibit criminal behaviour as adults. This effect is especially strong for violent crime.

      The problem was solved in Europe and North America around 1990, when lead-containing additives to petrol where almost eliminated. It just took a while before this affected crime statistics measurably.

    4. Re:Prison population by MatthiasF · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Mod parent up.

      Obligatory link to Atlantic article exposing the link between leaded gasoline and crime rates.

      http://www.theatlantic.com/nat...

    5. Re:Prison population by sconeu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Easy way to solve the "prisoner shortage".

      Put Congress, Wall Street Execs, and Hollywood execs into prison.

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    6. Re:Prison population by joss · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Leaded petrol has a high correlation with crime rate too.

      The nice thing about the abortion correlation theory is that it pissed off both the left and the right.

      Saying that we should reduce the number of children born by unmarried mothers and this will bring the crime rates down is something that excites the right and pisses off politically correct lefties.

      Saying that a good way of doing that is legalising abortion excites the left and pisses off the right

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    7. Re:Prison population by Stuarticus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Come on, the Star Wars prequels were bad but that's going a bit too far even for me.

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    8. Re:Prison population by mlts · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is that once in prison, always in prison. With NCIC records public of both arrest and convictions, even an arrest for PI in college can keep someone from getting meaningful employment.

      I know at least a few companies who ask for -arrest- (not conviction) records. The people I asked said that someone can buy their way out of a conviction, but if the cop thinks they are guilty enough to pull out the cuffs, they are guilty.

      Felonies are also ridiculously easy to get. In the '80s, if two people were caught racing in their cars, it would be a $111 fine. Now, here in Texas, that is a felony.

      Of course, once a felony is on a record, a person is pretty much hosed for life. For insurance reasons, few employers other than call centers will hire felons. They are not part of the voting bloc. They are prey to other felons. They cannot get apartments for the most part. Any brushes with the law will almost certainly result in an arrest. In society, they are persona non grata; the untouchables. This pretty much means that without a solid family support structure, there is no future. Good luck moving to another country. Nobody will take US felons.

      So, because there isn't any real way to make income, crime is always available... which usually means arrest and another, longer sentence. Great for private prison profit margins, but a cost center until the person dies... all paid for on the US taxpayers nickel.

    9. Re: Prison population by Fwipp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because it's not about reducing kids born to unmarried mothers, it's about not forcing kids to be born to mothers that don't feel they can adequately provide for their children (or just plain don't want them).

      It's about being born into poverty, not about whether the mom wears a ring.

    10. Re:Prison population by jafac · · Score: 5, Interesting

      When a black-mark can remain on your record forever, there's huge consequences.

      I know a guy who was an engineer, FPGA specialist. Has 4 patents. Worked for 15 years, and his company imploded. I tried to get him a job where I work, but because he had a dishonorable discharge from the navy, no dice. (apparently, when he was 19, before he went to college, he failed to return from shore-leave for 24-hours, because he went on a bender, passed-out, and was basically kept incognito by a bunch of "bad people" with whom he had been drinking. Got in trouble for that, and it resulted in the dishonorable.) Bad judgement, for sure, but it was a small mistake. He went on to college, and go in at his first job through a professor. But now he's been unemployed basically since 2004.

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    11. Re:Prison population by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or could that be due to other factors?

      Indeed. Crime rates fell in states that implemented harsh prison sentences, but it also fell in states that did not. It fell slightly more in the "lock-em-up" states, but not near enough to justify the costs.

      Other factors:
      1. Reduction of environmental lead. This is more strongly correlated with falling crime than any other factor.
      2. Abortion. The case for this was laid out well in Freakonomics.
      3. Better security, and less stuff to steal. Today, cameras are everywhere, alarm systems are much more common, and most people don't have as much to steal. People carry credit cards instead of cash, modern electronics has very little resale value, and nobody uses real silver silverware anymore.
      4. Video games. Young men in their prime crime years spend billions of hours playing video games, leaving far less time on the street getting in trouble.

    12. Re:Prison population by schlachter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I read that in until the late 1800's in the USA, people didn't go to prison to serve time. They went there to await their trail and if found guilty, to await their punishment, such as hard labor or hanging. Jail time itself was not the punishment until the Eastern State Penitentiary was founded in the late 1800's with the Puritan notion of rehabilitation through time spent in isolation and introspection.

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    13. Re:Prison population by Ichijo · · Score: 4, Interesting
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      Felonies are also ridiculously easy to get. In the '80s, if two people were caught racing in their cars, it would be a $111 fine. Now, here in Texas, that is a felony.

      Rather than a prison sentence followed by automatic eligibility to be re-licensed to be a hazard on the streets again, I think a far more appropriate punishment would be to permanently revoke the person's license until he or she can prove, through a battery of physical and psychological tests, that he or she is no longer a hazard on the road. (This is what they do in Germany.)

      But in the USA, for some reason it seems to be considered more humane to make someone a felon and lock them away than to ban them from driving.

      Great for private prison profit margins... all paid for on the US taxpayers nickel.

      This is why the goals of prisons need to be aligned better with the goals of society. Instead of putting someone away for x years, if private prisons bid against each other on a fixed price to rehabilitate each prisoner, coupled with penalties each time a released prisoner re-offends, private prisons would do their best to rehabilitate each prisoner as quickly, completely, and inexpensively as possible. Isn't this what we all really want?

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    14. Re:Prison population by hey! · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Check out this graph.

      The nuimbers of prisoners has not declined significantly since 2009. This doesn't mean the bubble hasn't burst, the nature of the bubble resists bursting. People can leave the housing market, but prisoners can't leave the prison market.

      Still, anyone who invested big-time in prisons back in 2008 or so on the basis of 30 years of exponential prison population growth was just stupid. We were approaching 1% of the Amercian population incarcerated, how much higher did they expect that to go?

      I have no sympathy with a town that bet its financial future on prisons while its schools rate minimally acceptable.

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  2. Won't anyone think of the corporations? by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure it's good to have fewer people behind bars...if you happen to be people. But corporations run many jails now, and depend on your tax dollars to simply put food on the table for their corporate families. If there are no inmates, who will make money feeding them $0.86 meals, or use 19th century methods of medical care to maximize profits, or make payments on their newly built facilities? It's still a young industry. Won't you think of the corporate children?

    I say it's time we stand up and put more people behind bars. For you. For Me. For the corporations. Because when corporations suffer, we all feel the hurt.*

    *not really, but it seems like a good slogan

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    1. Re:Won't anyone think of the corporations? by JackieBrown · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Part of capitalism is letting businesses fail as well as succeed.

      This is part of the circle along with all the unemployment that this will bring (based on my anecdotal experiences, guards will have a harder time trying to be rehabilitated to work well with people and "customers" - particularly the kind of customer that can report them without having to risk getting beaten to a pulp for being a snitch.)

    2. Re:Won't anyone think of the corporations? by Nemyst · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Part of capitalism is letting businesses fail as well as succeed.

      Yeah, like banks and car manufacturers. Wait, did I get that wrong somehow?

  3. Re:Three laws a day by Tanuki64 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not necessary. First I would put more women in prison. The ratio imprisoned man/woman should at least be 50:50. You know, gender equality and such.

  4. No Brainer by invid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Zombie Apocalypse Shelters.

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    1. Re:No Brainer by pr0nbot · · Score: 5, Funny

      "No Brainer" was a nice touch for a zombie suggestion :)

  5. Data centers? by swb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Since everything from office buildings to warehouses to shopping malls have been converted to data centers, why not prisons? They already offer a ton of security and the cells would be kind of perfect for those customers that buy those little fenced off spaces of multiple racks. The water lines for the sinks might be repurposable for some knd of cooling loop.

    The other conversion option is a secure place for containing Ebola, or perhaps as safe havens FROM Ebola..

    1. Re:Data centers? by dyslexicbunny · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why couldn't we use them as temporary apartments for the homeless? All the infrastructure is there to meet their needs, just replace the cell bars with a wall/door to add privacy. They now have an address in applying for employment. Showers, laundry, and dining facilities. Common areas could help with job training and education. The medical wing could make efforts to help diagnose mental illness and help people with addiction.

      The only thing this requires is effort.

  6. great news. by Connie_Lingus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    as a "casualty" of the US's insane and poorly thought out War on Drugs...I find this news wonderful.

    the idea that people like me, whom got caught up in the drug game due to low self-esteem, need to goto state prisons and waste away with child-rapists, murderers, and "lifers" is not only totally ridiculous, but utterly dangerous.

    i spent 22.5 months in Florida prison's, all because I got caught with some MDMA and weed at a rave in Orlando, FL in 2001.

    i am basically serving a life-sentence for this crime, as corporate BG checks prevents me for getting hired.

    hopefully, now others won't be subjected to the things I've been through.

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    1. Re:great news. by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've wondered about that: to what extent should a criminal past continue to haunt you, or in other words: should prospective employers (or even the public) have the right to look into your background? If an employer happens to know that you did something wrong in the past, I think they ought to be free to not hire you, but that's not the same as making such information freely available to employers.

      Here in the Netherlands, employers can't directly check your criminal records (they are not even allowed to ask in job interviews), but they can request that you submit a so-called "statement of conduct" (in some professions like child care, having such a statement is mandatory by law). Such statements are issued by the police on request, and the nice thing about them is that it doesn't detail your criminal past, but instead answers a specific question about the job or license you are applying for: "does anything in this person's record indicate that they shouldn't get a job in a day care center / get a gun license / hold a job with a lot of financial responsibilities?" So a child molester is not barred from a job as CFO, an embezzler can still get a gun license, and a burglar can work in day care, because the statement of conduct in each of these cases will come back as "no objection". To me this seems like a much more reasonable balance between the rights of employers wanting to know whom they are dealing with, and those of criminals who have served their time.

      Even better of course would be for the US to drop the stupid "war on drugs". Interestingly, it looks like the USA is now leading on legalizing soft drugs, whereas the Netherlands (known for its liberal attitude towards drugs) is actually cracking down. (remember: soft drugs were never legal here, merely tolerated).

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    2. Re:great news. by adam525 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, a lot of people don't get what they "should get" when dealing with the courts. If he didn't have legal counsel (that he paid for) I could see him doing a couple of years on a first time drug charge. I went to school with a guy that got sentenced to a LONG time in federal prison for selling cocaine. He got out "early" after spending about 5 years behind bars.

      If you ever have the misfortune of getting mixed up in the system, good luck to you. Maybe you have been in trouble and have gotten lucky. I went to court on two VERY ridiculous charges. I paid for a lawyer. He kept putting the case off until the DA finally agreed to drop the charges. It all depends on what mood you catch them in. It was proven to me when my charges were dropped. My lawyer didn't tell me what he was doing, but I figured it out. I wound up showing up to court about 6 or 7 times on the same charge. The first several times, the DA didn't agree to drop the charges. Finally, one random day, he said "OK" and the charges were dropped. Before that he had offered something dumb like community service. My lawyer just kept saying "I wouldn't take it". So I kept going back to court and one day the DA just agreed to drop the charges. The first charge cost me $250.00. The second one cost me $1500.00.

      If I would have walked in there with a public defender, I would have gotten (probably) 80 hours of community service and a charge on my record that would have kept me from EVER getting a decent job. I have a family. My son is GOING TO EAT whether I get his food through legitimate means or not. If that would have been put on my record, I would probably be in prison or headed there today for some BS charge (and it was BS, trust me on that) that I shouldn't have been charged with in the first place.

      Some people deserve to be in jail for the things they do. A lot of people are sitting in prison right now who don't deserve to be there by a long stretch.

  7. Great News by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Perhaps some of them could be repurposed as emergency management shelters.

    Hurricanes, flooding, and the occasional viral outbreak would be much easier to weather if some known infrastructure was already in place.

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  8. Status quo ante can be restored easily. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The main reason for the drop in prison population is because so many criminals in Wall Street went scot free after the 2009 crisis. Just make up the short fall in prison population by jailing the top people of large financial firms. They have long ago gone from "too big to fail" and "too big to jail" to "too big to be free".

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  9. Ahem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I notice that the author couldn't resist putting some spin on the story - the part about relaxed drug enforcement.
    However -
    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1

    The government tells us that ALL crime is down. For example, from 2001-2011, the violent crime rate went down 21.9%.
    Everything dropped - property crimes, rape, the whole lot.

    1. Re:Ahem. by haruchai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Look at that table again - the most significant declines for most categories of crime was between 1992 and 2001. It even more dramatic when you consider the growth in population.
      So the cops have to explain why they're now equipped like they're tank battalions.

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  10. Programmer Cubicle Alternative by emmjayell · · Score: 5, Funny

    Good for the programmers. 8x10 cubicle with it's own bathroom. Wired for high speed cablemodem. Has a door that closes so nobody can sneak up behind you while you are working.
    Good for the managers. Control smoke breaks and general working hours from a master control system. Video surveillance is taken to a whole new level.

  11. In a nutshell by mr.mctibbs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "There's a prisoner shortage"

    Framing it this way is typical of a mindset that is depressingly endemic in our culture. We do not have a shortage of prisoners, we have an excess of prisons.

  12. Well that's not true by slashmydots · · Score: 5, Funny

    "but can't be easily sold or repurposed"
    Bullshit! You know what you have to do to turn it into an airsoft and paintball facility? Put up a sign and a cash register.

  13. Statistics and.. by s.petry · · Score: 4, Informative

    California had a massive reduction in prison population due to courts deeming that holding people under severely crowded conditions was unconstitutional. I'm too lazy to do the math and figure out what percentage of the alleged 20% this accounts for. Law enforcement being allowed to legally seize property without any charges has further reduced "criminals" but again to what level? That one we don't know, because there is little to zero accountability by agencies practicing this illegal act (and there are numerous agencies doing this).

    Not to take away the point regarding "Crime Conundrum", but rather pointing out that I have a feeling that the claim of reduction is at least partially a statistics game to make someone look good.

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    1. Re:Statistics and.. by kartaron · · Score: 5, Informative

      The early release and refusal to place new inmates in California is huge. According to federal statistics, California dropped 50k internments per year and are releasing early 13k per month. Just their decline alone accounts for 72% of total US reductions. Depending on the length of sentences, they may well have sent home the entire 200k 'drop' in prisoners. And other major state prison systems admit their lowering of prison sentences for drug crimes is the reason for their drops.

      And the california plan seems to be raising some crimes there

      "By contrast, we find robust evidence that realignment is related to increased property crime. In terms of overall property crime, we estimate an additional one to two property crimes per year on average for each offender who is not incarcerated as a result of realignment. In particular, we see substantial increases in the number of motor vehicle thefts, which went up by 14.8 percent between 2011 and 2012. (Magnus Lofstrom and Steven Raphael, Public Safety Realignment and Crime Rates in California, Public Policy Institute of California, Dec., 2013 at p. 2.)"

      http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub...

      http://www.latimes.com/local/c...

      http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub...

  14. Re:2,266,800 by Kiwikwi · · Score: 4, Informative

    1.6M? The U.S. prison population is 2,266,800 according to Wikipedia. It's been over 2M for years, and was 2,418,352 in 2008.

    In the U.S., the word "prison" is more specific than you think. Look at the third figure from the top at your own link.

    In 2010, the U.S. prison population was ~1,518,000 (state and federal prisons). The U.S. jail population was ~749,000. The sum of those is 2,267,000; then comes another ~90,000 in juvenile detention (see the table below the figure). Add all these (and a bunch of smaller numbers, such as holding facilities for immigrants, and military facilities), you get the number of incarcerated people, which is the number you mention.

    But yes, AFAIK the U.S. still incarcerates more people than any other country in the world, both as a fraction of the population, and in absolute numbers. There's a long way down to the next on the list.

  15. Re:You don't know, do you? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We teach our children that making money is more important than being happy, ie 'that degree is useless' or 'don't go into that field, you won't get paid much.' Our economy is based on wealth (gotta have money to make money), and our media is obsessed with how great the rich have it (next on Cribs, some athlete's ridiculously huge mansion and garage worth more than the GDP of a small nation).

    The schools, the media outlets, hell even the sports teams are owned by the same cabal of very, very wealthy people.

    So, if there's a 'wealth envy' issue in America, it's cultural, and the rich have no one to blame but themselves.

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