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Despite Patent Settlement, Apple Pulls Bose Merchandise From Its Stores

Apple has long sold Bose headphones and speakers in its retail stores, including in the time since it acquired Bose-competitor Beats Audio, and despite the lawsuit filed by Bose against Apple alleging patent violations on the part of Beats. That's come to an end this week, though: Apple's dropped Bose merchandise both in its retail locations and online, despite recent news that the two companies have settled the patent suit.

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  1. Re:One crap audio brand battling with another by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Informative

    You consider $230 a considerable amount of money? Do you live in Sub-Saharan Africa or some shit?

    I live in Romania, where the headphones I mention cost around half the average monthly salary. There's a wide range between Third World poverty and your presumably US income, and many Eastern Europeans would balk at spending so much for headphones.

  2. Re:Bose is overpriced crap and always has been by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Informative

    And so is Apple.

    Actually, as many review comparisons have noted over the years, Apple's products are priced only a very little bit higher than what other PC manufacturers offer given the exact same hardware.

    Further, that slight price difference is fully justified, given the engineering research Apple puts in to ensure that the hardware all works together in complete harmony; most PC manufacturers rely on Microsoft to do that job via drivers and software bridges.

    The result is a machine that takes very good advantage of the hardware you do get, and the physical engineering is seldom matched by rivals at anything like the same price point.

    So say what you will. Yes, Apples tend to be a bit spendy. But what you get for the price is very fine indeed.

    AND -- before I forget -- Macintoshes make some of the best Windows PCs on the market! Without needing VMWare or any third-party VM, Apple (unlike Windows or Linux) fully supports dual-boot out-of-the-box. Just install your favorite version of Windows in Bootcamp, and you have the best of both worlds. Boot into OS X, or Windows. (I know you can do that with other OSes, but they all require 3rd-party VM software to do it. Apple builds it in.)

    So when I want to run a game, FPS for example that isn't on Mac... I just restart, and I get the FULL Windows performance... not bogged down via some VM.

    But wait! There's more!

    I can ALSO install VMWare on the Mac, and if I don't need full performance, I can load THE SAME Bootcamp Windows install via VMWare without rebooting... and while I don't get the same performance as booting Windows, it's not a separate install, it's the same one. I can run all the less-resource-intensive Windows apps all I like, without rebooting.

    So it's the best of three worlds. I've got OS X, which is a great OS in many ways, plus I can boot straight into Windows and get full Windows performance, plus I can run less-intensive Windows programs anytime I want via VMWare, without having to install 2 different copies of Windows. It's the same in VM as it is in native boot... down to the very last file.

    Nobody else does that.

    Long and short: my Mac can kick your PC's ass in most ways (same build date and price range), at being a PC, AND be a Mac as well, with all that comes with that.

    If you don't think that justifies a SMALL increase in price for the very same hardware, you haven't tried doing it.

  3. Re:Bose is overpriced crap and always has been by cyn1c77 · · Score: 3, Informative

    And so is Apple.

    Apple products are expensive, but generally have good design and performance.

    Bose and Beats have good design, but have always been deemed to have poor performance by people who actually review them for their sound qualities.

    I'm not hating... check the reviews.

  4. Re:Bose is overpriced crap and always has been by BronsCon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Without needing VMWare or any third-party VM, Apple (unlike Windows or Linux) fully supports dual-boot out-of-the-box.

    That's a function of the bootloader, not the OS. GRUB, the default bootloader for most Linux distros of any popularity, supports dual-boot, tri-boot, quad-boot, however-the-fuck-many-boot, right out of the box. In fact, the Windows bootloader supports this, as well, though it's a bit more work to set up.

    I'm sitting here typing this on a Mac, because the platform does have its advantages, but dual-boot isn't something unique to the Mac.

    --
    APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
  5. Re:Bose is overpriced crap and always has been by qpqp · · Score: 3, Informative

    Apple's products are priced only a very little bit higher than what other PC manufacturers offer given the exact same hardware

    Actually, the high-end Mac Pro is currently cheaper.

    I know you can do that with other OSes, but they all require 3rd-party VM software to do it. Apple builds it in.

    This has nothing to do with VMs.
    Bootcamp is little more than a setup and partition tool. You can have multi-boot (keyword: bootloader) on all PCs including Macs, but you can't just go ahead and install OS X on most of the ones not designed in Cupertino.

  6. Re:Bose is overpriced crap and always has been by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Every time I've priced them out against something like Sony, that's correct.

    However, against Asus, who IMO makes better products, they are much more expensive. Let's do it now.

    Holy shit, the only Apple laptop that doesn't use Intel Integrated, is the 15" Macbook Pro with Retina display. It's come along a lot, but still sucks if doing anything 3D that actually uses the graphics card.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/...
    Differences: +.1GHz Lenovo
    256GB SSD (Lenovo) vs 512GB SSD (Apple)
    Resolution: 3840 x 2160 (Lenovo) vs 2880 x 1800 (Apple)
    Screen size: 15.6 (Lenovo) vs 15.4 (Apple)
    Graphics: 860M (Lenovo) vs 750M (Apple)
    Weight: 5.29 (Lenovo) vs 4.46 lbs (Apple)
    Apple lacks a built in Gigabit Ethernet port. It has 2 Thunderbolt ports (basically can be considered proprietary, given usage at the moment)

    Cost?
      $1,269.99 vs $2499
    So 2 laptops with almost all specs, exceeding the Apple's specs for the same price. (~230 for a 512GB SSD, if you want to increase storage that way, which still puts it at 60% of the cost)

  7. Re:Bose is overpriced crap and always has been by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    No.

    He used "which", not "whose".

    He used "stall", not "stalls".

    It's a fucking grammar train wreck.

    I make my living as a writer and editor (as in, "I've written and/or edited multiple books put out, in hardcover, by respectable academic publishers, over the last 2 decades--and you may well have used one or more of these as textbooks in your HS and Uni classes") and I get paid to know this stuff.

  8. Re:Bose is overpriced crap and always has been by ray-auch · · Score: 4, Informative

    But mainly, as I clearly stated above, what you are missing with other products is that you don't have the option of dual-booting AND, at the same time, running the SAME foreign OS install in VMWare or the like. If you want to do that you are stuck with 2 different foreign OS installs, and your files won't be in sync.

    I didn't say dual-booting was unique to Mac. Read it again. What I wrote was that it's BETTER. Especially if you have VMWare. While that's a third-party product, it enables you to do what other OSes won't do, even with VMWare.

    Without specifying which VMWare product it is a bit difficult to see what you are getting at - workstation or full ring-0 hypervisor like ESX ?

    If you mean just the option of booting a virtual disk (vhd) which you can also use in an emulator, Windows has had that for 5 years (since 7) without needing a third party emulator (VirtualPC from MS).

    If you mean having the option of booting a vhd and having also a full hypervisor that can run that vhd as a virtual machine, built into the OS, Windows has had that for six years on the server OS versions, and two on client (Windows 8) - Hyper-V is built in along with native-boot-from-vhd.

    There are also Linux options for both boot-native-from-vhd and built in hypervisors.

    So, struggling a bit to see what it is you think other OSes can't do ?