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Italian Supreme Court Bans the 'Microsoft Tax'

An anonymous reader writes: In a post at the Free Software Foundation, lawyer Marco Ciurcina reports that the Italian Supreme Court has ruled the practice of forcing users to pay for a Windows license when they buy a new PC is illegal. Manufacturers in Italy are now legally obligated to refund that money if a buyer wants to put GNU/Linux or another free OS on the computer. Ciurcina says, "The focus of the Court's reasoning is that the sale of a PC with software preinstalled is not like the sale of a car with its components (the 4 wheels, the engine, etc.) that therefore are sold jointly. Buying a computer with preinstalled software, the user is required to conclude two different contracts: the first, when he buys the computer; the second, when he turns on the computer for the first time and he is required to accept or not the license terms of the preinstalled software. Therefore, if the user does not accept the software license, he has the right to keep the computer and install free software without having to pay the 'Microsoft tax.'"

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  1. Re:And so therefor it follows and I quote by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In principle, maybe. But Apple gives away its software free. It's the hardware itself that's pricey.

  2. Re:Tax and cost from a PC-vendor point of view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Dell once explained why their Linux PCs weren't cheaper than similar Windows models. The average cost of a single customer service call to Dell was higher than their OEM Windows licence cost, and the Linux PCs had a significant higher number of customer service calls than the Windows-PCs.

    Probably a big factor yes, maybe even bigger: The Windows pre-installs have software that vendors pay to have on there. Your Windows system is subsidized, the Linux system is not.

  3. Re:And so therefor it follows and I quote by lostmongoose · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm all for free software, but this reasoning sounds insane. When people buy a PC, it says "comes with windows", you know what you're getting, and to require manufacturers to return half of it seems nuts. It's like ordering a cheeseburger, and then demanding a refund for the cheese. Why didn't you just order a hamburger?

    Walk into a store and buy a fully assembled name brand (Dell, HP, etc) PC, complete with warranty and guarantees, without ANY software preinstalled. You can't. Your analogy fails.

  4. 20 years too late by ledow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    20 years too late

  5. Re: Tax and cost from a PC-vendor point of view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How about no OS warranty then? No-OS pc = no OS warranty... Call up Dell and say your no-OS machine won't boot and they should tell you to reboot and hit f10 ... If ePSA passes, sorry, you need to fix it yourself or restore from backup or reimage...

  6. 50 euro fee for a 20 euro refund by CAPSLOCK2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Under Dutch law you are entitled a refund because you did not get to see the license before purchasing the computer but only after booting it for the fist time. Vendors have found all kinds of work-arounds. One of those work-arounds is that they add an administration-fee to your refund that is higher than the price of Windows. Another work-around is that they require the manufacture to verify that Windows has been entirely removed. Unfortunately they don't have a local office that can do that so you are supposed to ship your computer to Germany. They will check the computer, which takes a few weeks, and only then you get your refund, minus the international shipping and handling costs. Ofcourse they will not use the list-price for the refund but the volume-discount price that the big manufacturers get.
    Only the most principled customers will jump through the hoops to get the refund.

  7. Ban the MS tax on Android instead by haruchai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why should anyone be paying M$ so much as a thin dime let alone $10-$20 in royalties on each Android device sold?

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  8. Re:And so therefor it follows and I quote by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, given that Apple doesn't charge for OS upgrades anymore, it can be argued that the cost of the OS is $0, when bundled with a Mac. You can get your refund, but I am not sure that $0 is worth the effort.

    The real cost is having to buy a new Mac every few years because the latest upgrade was an upgrade too far. Well, at least it easier to roll back, compared to an iPhone.

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  9. Re:And so therefor it follows and I quote by Immerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I agree in principle, though I think the actual per-unit price paid by the manufacturer is a more reasonable refund than the open market OEM price. Otherwise if I've managed to negotiate a better deal with MS then the excess of a full oem-price refund may well exceed my profit margins. Whether MS should be allowed to negotiate such deals is a separate issue.

    The price situation is also complicated by crapware subsidies - if you remove Windows then presumably you also remove all the crapware installed on it. Now my feeling on preinstalled crapware is that they pays their money and they takes their chances, after all most halfway competent users will remove it immediately anyway. But that subsidy may well exceed the low negotiated price of Windows, in which case an OS-less machine will legitimately be more expensive.

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  10. Re:And so therefor it follows and I quote by speedplane · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Imagine we lived in a world without hamburgers, only cheeseburgers. The solution would be to encourage people to open up hamburger shops, not to demand that cheesburger shops refund the cheese.

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