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Apple A8X IPad Air 2 Processor Packs Triple-Core CPU, Hefty Graphics Punch

MojoKid writes When Apple debuted its A8 SoC, it proved to be a modest tweak of the original A7. Despite packing double the transistors and an improved GPU, the heart of the A8 SoC is the same dual-core Apple "Cyclone" processor tweaked to run at higher clock speeds and with stronger total GPU performance. Given this, many expected that the Apple A8X would be cut from similar cloth — a higher clock speed, perhaps, and a larger GPU, but not much more than that. It appears those projections were wrong. The Apple A8X chip is a triple-core variant of the A8, with a higher clock speed (1.5GHz vs. 1.4GHz), a larger L2 cache (2MB, up from 1MB) and 2GB of external DDR3. It also uses an internal metal heatspreader, which the Apple A8 eschews. All of this points to slightly higher power consumption for the core, but also to dramatically increased performance. The new A8X is a significant power house in multiple types of workloads; in fact, its the top-performing mobile device on Geekbench by a wide margin. Gaming benchmarks are equally impressive. The iPad Air 2 nudges out Nvidia's Shield in GFXBench's Manhattan offscreen test, at 32.4fps to 31 fps. Onscreen favors the NV solution thanks to its lower-resolution screen, but the Nvidia device does take 3DMark Ice Storm Unlimited by a wide margin, clocking in at 30,970 compared to 21,659.

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  1. Re:Let's shit all over the customers by jones_supa · · Score: 4, Informative

    The new Mac Mini is twice as slow as the late 2012 model. So fuck you Apple.

    The benchmarks say that the CPU of the entry-level late 2014 Mac Mini is only 3.8% slower than the entry-level late 2012 Mac Mini. However, the TDP is also 57.1% lower (from 35W to 15W).

  2. Re:Let's shit all over the customers by Camembert · · Score: 2

    >> The new iOS 8 makes older iPhones slow and dysfunctional. So fuck you Apple.

    I waited to upgrade my iPhone 4S until the recent release of IOS8.1. It seems to work pretty well. Indeed, there is a bit of slowdown but it is quite acceptable. For a 3 year old device this is quite good support, I'd say.
    I have not yet tried 8.1 on my iPad 2. Does anyone have experience with it?

  3. I don't really see the point. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    The iPad isn't used for number-crunching. It's not a high-end gaming platform - it certainly has a lot of games, but few of them are graphically demanding. It's used for a little light content creation, but nothing more than timeline video editing - not real time effects composition or rendering. Mostly it's used for document viewing and web browsing. So long as it's got enough power to comfortably decode video (And it has hardware h264 acceleration anyway), why would you need to worry about just how much?

    1. Re: I don't really see the point. by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For most people it is just a toy but that doesn't mean those who do more should go without. Everything you said applies to the vast majority of desktops too. You don't need to upgrade. My iPad air didn't magically turn to shit. It'll be a viable device for years to come.

    2. Re:I don't really see the point. by Lemming+Mark · · Score: 2

      Apple seem to be pushing their mobile CPUs forward quite fast - they're also way ahead of the curve in adopting 64-bit ARM. I wonder if there's a longer term strategy to start migrating devices like the MacBook Air over to their A-series CPUs, instead of Intel. That could tie things together quite nicely for them.

    3. Re:I don't really see the point. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      The iPad isn't used for number-crunching.

      Have you ever tried running photoshop on a portable device? They have portable editions of that now, with filters. The more power the device has, the more complex filters can reasonably be run on the device. That's just one easy example of an app which can benefit from a lot of CPU.

      I however would imagine that the GPU is a good place to put a lot of the additional power today, because the screen resolutions continue to increase. Intensive applications will just have to make use of it.

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    4. Re:I don't really see the point. by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      not real time effects composition or rendering

      I guess you haven't seen Pixelmator run on the iPad Air 2.

    5. Re:I don't really see the point. by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      Ipad and Surface Pro are not direct competitors. Ironically, its the artists and designers clamoring for Surface Pro and not Apple gear this time around.

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  4. Re: Let's shit all over the customers by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wouldn't even consider this a average trolling. You didn't try at all. Did you post from a samsung tablet which didn't give you enough battery life to write something better?

  5. Re:Let's shit all over the customers by ClaraBow · · Score: 4, Funny

    Good advice. Anonymous Dude, you're getting a DELL :)

  6. 'Mobile' no more. by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Informative

    Per the Geekbench 3 CPU benchmark suite, the A8X scores ~4500.
    The Surface Pro hybrid laptop's i3 scores 4750.
    Apple's base model MacBook Air's i7 scores 5300.
    (and for reference, the old Core 2 Quad Q6600 scores 4250.)

    Meanwhile, the Intel chips in the Surface Pro and MacBook Air have a 15W TDP, while the A8X should be well south of 5W. Granted, a lot of that goes to the integrated GPUs, but the A8X is no slouch in graphics either. The iPad runs at a higher resolution than 90-plus-percent of PCs today and runs plenty of good-looking 3D games. It's good enough for consumer use, definitely.

    Finally, Intel's 'recommended customer price' for their ULV chips is ~$300. Major purchasers like Apple and Microsoft no doubt negotiate a substantial discount, but I doubt it comes close to the ~$20 (plus in-house design costs) Apple pays for the A-series chips.

    This may sound like an Apple fanboy post, but it isn't. It's a 'Intel needs to get their shit together' post. A decade ago Intel lost their way with the Pentium 4 and AMD took the lead for a few years. In the end that gave us the vastly improved Core architecture. If Broadwell and Skylake don't put Intel out ahead of ARM designs in a hurry, the next few years could be very interesting.

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    1. Re:'Mobile' no more. by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Informative

      Correction - The Surface Pro's i3 scores 3250 . Sorry.

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    2. Re:'Mobile' no more. by pushing-robot · · Score: 2

      Gah, editing again. The Surface Pro's i3 has a 11.5W TDP. The available i5 and i7 have 15W TDPs and performance close to the MacBook Air's i7

      Changed chips, forgot to switch numbers :-/

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    3. Re:'Mobile' no more. by Megol · · Score: 2

      Geekbench isn't a proper benchmark so one shouldn't draw too many conclusions from it. Let's see something like SPEC or a subset of it instead.

      Also: TDP is just that, a design power. Modern chips can exceed it for a thermally insignificant period but in most cases power draw isn't near it. Think of it as a worst case power for sustained workloads.

    4. Re:'Mobile' no more. by the_B0fh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It is amortized over the large number of iPhones and iPads sold. Lets say they have 1,000 people dedicated solely to the ARM cpu/gpu. At $200,000 per person per year. They sell 150 million iPhones + iPads a year (more, but I rounded over for easier calculation).

      1,000 * 200,000 / 150,000,000 = $1.33

      So, $21.33.

  7. Re:Let's shit all over the customers by willy_me · · Score: 5, Informative

    An informed individual posted an explanation for this. Apparently, the new Intel chips have different pinout requirements between the dual core and quad core variants - this is assuming you are soldering the CPU directly to the motherboard. Because of this difference Apple can not sell a quad core CPU without designing a new motherboard. So they sell it with the fastest CPUs that operate within the given power constraints and supports the required physical pinout.

    In all likelihood, Apple will release a quad core update sooner rather then later. Holding off for 6 months gives them plenty of time to design the new hardware while also giving them the opportunity to make headlines once again in 6 months time.

    The Mac Mini is a great little design. If one is in the market and wants to get the fastest one possible, it is probably best to either wait or purchase a quad of the previous model.

  8. Re:Let's shit all over the customers by zeroduck · · Score: 2

    It depends on how you use your iPad 2. I probably wouldn't recommend it. It's pretty sluggish and non-responsive. I mostly use it as a second screen for fantasy football, so... I guess it's not that bad. But if you're using it to browse the net or play games, you will be disappointed. I'll add the disclaimer that I only upgraded to 8.1 today (from 8.0), so things may have improved.

  9. Re:Let's shit all over the customers by Gr8Apes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, I checked out Dell last week because someone stated macs were way more expensive. Imagine my surprise when the first 2 laptops I spec'd out just based on hardware wound up costing significantly more than their Mac counterparts. What's even funnier is that this will be down-modded as a troll despite being the truth.

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  10. Re:Let's shit all over the customers by Hamsterdan · · Score: 2

    They crippled it when they removed the optical drive IMO. It made for a really nice and discreet media center. No, adding an external drive won't do it as it kinda defeats the media center idea...

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  11. Re:Let's shit all over the customers by Hamsterdan · · Score: 2

    "A car costs tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars when new. The iPhone - not so much"

    With Canadian carrier prices, it's about the same after 2 years...

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  12. Re:Let's shit all over the customers by MaWeiTao · · Score: 2

    I upgraded my iPad 2 to iOS 8.1. There are occasional glitches and some things seem to take slightly longer to respond, but all in all it's not too bad.

    Safari, unfortunately, is next to useless if you're using more than a single tab. Crashes don't seem quite as frequent as they were in iOS 7, but switch back to the other tab and the page reloads, every single time. I've switched to Chrome because this was getting too frustrating.

    One interesting thing is how there is some framerate drop in transitions and overall things don't feel as snappy as they used to. Sometimes you do something, in settings, and it just sits there with no indication that it's working. It's something I've observed even on the iPad Air, although it's obviously less prevalent. I find it ironic considering Apple devotes have long been critical of the same thing in Android. In fact, in terms of overall performance my iPad 2 feels a bit like old Android devices. Serviceable, but not great.

  13. Re:Let's shit all over the customers by the_B0fh · · Score: 3, Informative

    Please do not try to inject facts into a haterz rant. It's not as if Apple is better than Android in providing timely updates to all the devices they support. Or force you to wait for your manufacturer to provide the update. Or allow your carriers to screw you over by withholding updates. Oh wait...

  14. Re: Let's shit all over the customers by Hamsterdan · · Score: 2

    Yes, in fact I do have a file server here, but an optical drive is useful when you want to watch a DVD without ripping it first. Since a Mac mini is x86, it can run Windows Media Center, MythTV, XBMC, or any other software.

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