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Pirate Bay Founder Gottfrid Warg Faces Danish Jail Time

Hammeh writes BBC news reports that Pirate Bay co-founder Gottfrid Warg has been found guilty of hacking into computers and illegally downloading files in Denmark. Found guilty of breaching security to access computers owned by technology giant CSC to steal police and social security files, Mr Warg faces a sentence of up to six years behind bars. Mr Warg argued that although the computer used to commit the offence was owned by him, the hacks were carried out by another individual who he declined to name.

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  1. Find a better excuse by cdrudge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mr Warg argued that although the computer used to commit the offence was owned by him, the hacks were carried out by another individual who he declined to name.

    Every bittorrent user has tried that excuse when they were caught and I don't think it has ever worked. Try to be a little more original next time Mr. Wang.

    1. Re:Find a better excuse by Splab · · Score: 3, Informative

      You know how we know you are from the US? Because you are talking out of your fucking ass!

      Here in Denmark, they have stopped suing random torrent users, because it is impossible to show that the owner of the connection has in fact done the deed. The only people to have been sued lately are those whom either originally uploaded a torrent (and can be proven to have done so) or people making money of of it.

      Now the trial here is going to go to Landsretten, and most likely to HÃjesteret (Supreme court) *and* if Wargs lawyer is any good, it will probably also end up in human rights court; there are so many bad things about it, it is probably the worst case of injustice ever (even if he has in fact done anything wrong).

    2. Re:Find a better excuse by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wow, worst case of injustice EVER????

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    3. Re:Find a better excuse by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Denmark isn't known for abusing its citizens with a prison-industrial complex the way the USA is. It's also known for being an expensive place to live, with a very high standard of living, just under its cousins Norway and Sweden.

      Combine this with the fact that Denmark only has about 5 million citizens (compared to USA's 310M+), and I imagine there was no hyperbole there at all, assuming he meant within the Danish legal system in recent years.

  2. "not me" did it! by gatfirls · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really dude? Why not at least say you had a virus/botnet on your machine. At least that gives a reasonable doubt.

    1. Re:"not me" did it! by westlake · · Score: 2

      Really dude? Why not at least say you had a virus/botnet on your machine. At least that gives a reasonable doubt.

      In the American system, it is usually the jury who gets to decide what is "reasonable."

      The geek, in the absence of evidence, tends to construct scenarios that are theoretically possible, but by no means plausible.

    2. Re:"not me" did it! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is no way the courts should hold people responsible for something unless they can prove the person who possess it or the evidence of said action can actually be connected.

      Yes, but it's not "prove" as in "any other explanation is 100% impossible." It's "prove beyond a reasonable doubt."

      Without that you wouldn't be able to convict the man standing over the body with the knife in his hand screaming "I'm glad I killed him." There are endless possibilities for the accused's innocence, but most of them would be rightly considered ridiculous and would only belong in an episode of Jonathan Creek.

      Someone who has seen far more of the evidence in this case you or I ever will has decided the criteria for guilt have been met. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, I'm going to lean towards the conclusion that he got convicted not because the system is rigged, but because he did actually do it and the preponderance of evidence was to that effect.

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  3. Prison in Nordics by Kumiorava · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is a brief introduction to a documentary of a NY prison admin going to Norway to look how the prison works there.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

  4. Meanwhile, back in Hollywood by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nazi Walt Disney and its offspring keep ravaging your grandma's fairy tales.

  5. How to torpedo your own boat. by westlake · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Mr Warg argued that although the computer used to commit the offence was owned by him, the hacks were carried out by another individual who he declined to name.

    Every bittorrent user has tried that excuse when they were caught and I don't think it has ever worked. Try to be a little more original next time Mr. Wang.

    But this is something new!

    He admits that the hacking was criminal, that the hacker was using one of his computers, and that he knows who the hacker is, but won't name him --- even after being found guilty on the felony charge.

    When was the last time you heard tell of a geek throwing away three perfectly serviceable "Get Out Of Jail Free Cards?"

  6. Re:Who the hell cares whether "IP!=Person?" by timeOday · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If that is true, then the 'friend' who used Warg's computer to hack and is now standing by watching Warg go down in flames is a real dick for not coming forward.

  7. Re:BT by imatter · · Score: 2

    As an AC you have no credibility so why even post? you can make all the claims you want and never have to back them up.

    Question, since you mention software in vehicles that makes them safer, did you invent the safety or merely steal it from the years of research on vehicle safety and then write software to bring that data together in a "nifty" way? I don't disagree that there was hard work involved in writing the software and that there is value in hard work. In the end, is it that you created the "nifty" way and the customers are actually buying the safety which you are taking credit for or you created the safety and the software is the best way to sell it.

  8. Re:IP != Person. by 91degrees · · Score: 2

    "Reasonable" is the key word here though.

    The story just doesn't add up. There's no plausible explanation. Someone decided to use his computer, and *only* his computer to do all their hacking, with his full knowledge. This person has absolutely no interest in protecting Warg, but Warg is willing to risk prison in order to protect this person. Why? It doesn't make sense!

  9. Re:IP != Person. by f3rret · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Refusing to make a statement or refusing to incriminate yourself or others does not constitute 'contempt of court; you are afforded the right to remain silent under Danish (and also US) law.

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  10. Re:Plea bargain by f3rret · · Score: 2

    Sounds like a plea bargain.

    No such thing under Danish law.

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  11. Re:BT by rev0lt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...And yet you probably don't have polyo because some guy decided to give the cure to the world. Have a look at your software stack, and the hardware that follows, and all the people that innovated without thinking about money first. Whatever you are today, you owe to those people. And most of them don't really care if you made yourself rich or not - if you cannot conceive this concept, I pitty you. No money in the world will fill that hole.