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Pirate Bay Founder Gottfrid Warg Faces Danish Jail Time
Hammeh writes BBC news reports that Pirate Bay co-founder Gottfrid Warg has been found guilty of hacking into computers and illegally downloading files in Denmark. Found guilty of breaching security to access computers owned by technology giant CSC to steal police and social security files, Mr Warg faces a sentence of up to six years behind bars. Mr Warg argued that although the computer used to commit the offence was owned by him, the hacks were carried out by another individual who he declined to name.
Every bittorrent user has tried that excuse when they were caught and I don't think it has ever worked. Try to be a little more original next time Mr. Wang.
Really dude? Why not at least say you had a virus/botnet on your machine. At least that gives a reasonable doubt.
Um, this article is about a guy who broke into state systems and stole police and citizen data. Or at least they allege he did, and as he indicates that he knows who actually did it but refuses to name them, and it was done on his hardware, that makes him pretty much indictable of contempt of court at a minimum.
As for your last remark, there are thousands of people around the world who have come and taken my work product for free (as the license on my work allows), and I also donate to the local food bank, and feed multiple people directly off my table.
So yeah, I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make, other than to state that you don't like this guy's lifestyle, and think they got him Al Capone style (which they didn't).
There's also the pesky "contempt of court" that many countries have. I'd say he more than stepped over that line.
Sounds like a plea bargain.
Mr Warg faces a sentence of up to six years behind bars.
Could have been worse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Here is a brief introduction to a documentary of a NY prison admin going to Norway to look how the prison works there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Copied, you mean.
and feed multiple people directly off my table.
You make them eat off of a table?
No one loses anything, right.
Right. Not gaining is not the same as losing.
Nazi Walt Disney and its offspring keep ravaging your grandma's fairy tales.
For those who don't know, it's +1 hour GMT. So I guess he's serving an extra hour. He should have committed the crime with a solidly negative GMT instead.
Mr Warg argued that although the computer used to commit the offence was owned by him, the hacks were carried out by another individual who he declined to name.
Every bittorrent user has tried that excuse when they were caught and I don't think it has ever worked. Try to be a little more original next time Mr. Wang.
But this is something new!
He admits that the hacking was criminal, that the hacker was using one of his computers, and that he knows who the hacker is, but won't name him --- even after being found guilty on the felony charge.
When was the last time you heard tell of a geek throwing away three perfectly serviceable "Get Out Of Jail Free Cards?"
But then there is the pesky "reasonable doubt" that many countries have.
It's in the summary. He admits that the hacker used one of his computers. That he knows who the hacker is.
"contempt of court" isn't proof of guilt. However, what I meant was that they had proven "beyond reasonable doubt" that he was guilty or at least responsible. If you give your computer to a person and watch them commit a crime with you approval you are at least an accomplice.
Exactly :) Contempt of Court isn't going to net 6 years; I was just setting the bar lower.
As an AC you have no credibility so why even post? you can make all the claims you want and never have to back them up.
Question, since you mention software in vehicles that makes them safer, did you invent the safety or merely steal it from the years of research on vehicle safety and then write software to bring that data together in a "nifty" way? I don't disagree that there was hard work involved in writing the software and that there is value in hard work. In the end, is it that you created the "nifty" way and the customers are actually buying the safety which you are taking credit for or you created the safety and the software is the best way to sell it.
"Reasonable" is the key word here though.
The story just doesn't add up. There's no plausible explanation. Someone decided to use his computer, and *only* his computer to do all their hacking, with his full knowledge. This person has absolutely no interest in protecting Warg, but Warg is willing to risk prison in order to protect this person. Why? It doesn't make sense!
Refusing to make a statement or refusing to incriminate yourself or others does not constitute 'contempt of court; you are afforded the right to remain silent under Danish (and also US) law.
Admit nothing. Deny Everything. Make Counter-accusations.
You don't think TPB carries a bigger value than "multi millions"?
If so what's all the whining about?
If Facebook is worth $200 billion then surely TPB surves at least 1/20 their purpose? =P
They are just not charging for it...
Embedded systems / QNX?
You can? Once again - What's the bitching about then?
And what you mean "like me"? Didn't you read the part of me purchasing a lot of bundles?
I do have a limited budget though. If I wanted to do something in Photoshop and Photoshop was what I felt was easiest to use / what I was most comfortable with then I wouldn't pay $700 to be able to use Photoshop because that doesn't make sense for me.
It may do for a professional though.
Then again I could purchase 100 $7 bundles of games where I wouldn't play most. That wouldn't necessarily make much sense for the same professional previously mentioned.
More expensive? Why?
Wouldn't they rather not have existed if no-one bothered in developing them?
I don't eat animals.. And I donate to charities. And I've never stolen a single item in a store ever.
We all do bad things. Maybe you speed every now and then?
Everyone who have been using TPB with no problem is laughing at your claims of OMG I MISSED BILLIONS OF MONEYS IF THESE PEOPLE HAVE ONLY BOUGHT THEIR 200 000 OF MP3S!
... of "that dope ain't mine! Someone left it in my house!"
...And yet you probably don't have polyo because some guy decided to give the cure to the world. Have a look at your software stack, and the hardware that follows, and all the people that innovated without thinking about money first. Whatever you are today, you owe to those people. And most of them don't really care if you made yourself rich or not - if you cannot conceive this concept, I pitty you. No money in the world will fill that hole.
why dont you holywood crooks pay taxes, instead of declaring every movie a loss.
and i bring my own food/drinks into the cinema too, so screw your $12 popcorn and $7 drinks.
Bunch of crooks.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Enjoy your high altitude flights were cosmic rays are greater and you might get cancer faster.
But tech IP is different to movie IP. You cannot claim tax losses on lost potential sales, otherwise I could claim that you didnt hire me, so in effect, Ive lost income of $5m, so the govt should refund me all tax ive paid in history.
I hope you pay your pilot well, not a cheapass wage.
But its a free market, if you charged 1 billion for your IP then you would get zero sales, so your price was fair to a company, and then evenly spread across 100000s of sales.
Oh and why would you risk everything, any real gambler always hides enough capital to restart or live well. You dont spend every cent you have left, or did you hide millions in assets in your parents name first to avoid paying your over worked unpaid workers.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
First class is first to crush when the plane crashes.
The middle or back is most likely to survive better, there have been stats made on this, and the first class and business class is the crumple zone that absorbes most of the energy, SQUISH!
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
A modern day witch hunt.
Read and translate the full story here:
http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Viden...
- below is a Google Translation of the top of the article [with my edits]:
It was respectively 3.5 years in prison and six months in prison for the two men who yesterday was found guilty in the case of the large hacker attacks against CSC two years ago.
Swedish Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, who received the longest judgment, and a 21-year-old Danish man has always [pleaded not guilty] in the case, but the court chose yesterday to reject Wargs explanation that his computer had been remotely [controlled] while the attacks were on.
Warg was yesterday found guilty of hacking and vandalism, while the 21-year-old alone convicted of involvement in hacking. Today took the court [decided] on the penalty.
Warg was also sentenced to deportation from Denmark and got entry ban. He must also pay the cost of technical assistance for the part concerning himself.
The 21-year-old received the judgment. Warg chose to appeal to the High Court.
I am Danish, so the story is from my country.
My personal opinion about this is:
- no comments on jail conditions or jail time - that's another discussion.
- The information, he accessed was very sensitive, and nobody wants their personal sensitive information compromized.
- He may have the guilt he has, but how about the company CSC? Are they safe enough?
The information, he accessed was very sensitive, and nobody wants their personal sensitive information compromized.
Ok. Shouldn't the Danish legal system be prosecuting Facebook, Google, NSA and CIA first then, and leave the prosecuting of guys like Gottfrid Warg for the end of the process?
And you would be wrong about that. I'm a multi-millionaire who risked everything to create software programs that are used worldwide to make the car you drive better, the airplane you fly safer and make the heart pump that saves your lazy junk food eating ass safer.
I mean this in all sincerity: Good for you.
Those things happen only because I can protect my IP from the likes of you.
Let's be clear about this, though: When you say 'those things', you're referring to those specific things that you and your company did. Because there is a very large volume of life-changing —and life-saving— software that came about without any thought of recompense, and with very different ideas about copy-protection and ownership.
Without copyright protection, enforceable EULAs and copy protection/licensing software, I would never have created my products and all those products that impact your life would be more expensive.
I don't know why I spend my time trying to convince people like you that you are utterly, hopelessly wrong in your idea that it is OK to steal other people's work without compensating them the price they demand. I think it's because I have tons of spare time now that my wife and I spend our days travelling the world first class.
Again, in all sincerity: Good for you and your wife.
Having traveled in first class, I found it to be full of pampered, self-important twits with more money than sense, but hey, it wouldn't exist if there weren't a demand for it. I'll take business class myself, thanks.
So in summary, suck it bitch. I'm laughing all the way to the bank.
Ah, the famous 'I'm all right, Jack' defence. Astonishingly, this self-aggrandising approach to entitlement doesn't breed a lot of sympathy among those of us who have other considerations than ourselves. But that's okay. I've saved lives, you've saved lives —that's what counts. At the end of the day, the fact that the lives I saved were in the developing world and yours (probably mostly) weren't is not going to count for much when we're both rotting in the ground. The fact that I'm largely at peace with myself and don't get too exercised about what people do with the fruits of my labours is likely secondary as well. I daresay you're pretty content, too.
But there is this: My way of living and doing business is just as workable as yours, and my way doesn't serve only the rich. So fuck you, you self-satisfied, closed-minded, smug little shit. You think there's no other way but yours? You're wrong and I'm living proof.
Just reposting this here, because apparently Mr I'm All Right Jack has a problem with actual dialogue. In spite of my original comment being modded all the way to 5, he's used a bunch of sock-puppets to take it all the way back to -1, because 'Flamebait'. It seems we're supposed to remain civil when told to: 'Suck it, bitch.'
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