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Most Planets In the Universe Are Homeless

StartsWithABang writes: We like to think of our Solar System as typical: a central star with a number of planets — some gas giants and some rocky worlds — in orbit around it. Yes, there's some variety, with binary or trinary star systems and huge variance in the masses of the central star being common ones, but from a planetary point of view, our Solar System is a rarity. Even though there are hundreds of billions of stars in our galaxy for planets to orbit, there are most likely around a quadrillion planets in our galaxy, total, with only a few trillion of them orbiting stars at most. Now that we've finally detected the first of these, we have an excellent idea that this picture is the correct one: most planets in the Universe are homeless. Now, thank your lucky star!"

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  1. so how did they form? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    don't planets need some kind of gravity source to pull all the dust and shit together?

    1. Re:so how did they form? by halfEvilTech · · Score: 3, Funny

      this would also explain the dust bunnies that love to form under my bed

  2. this is why the aliens haven't invaded yet by alen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    so much resources out there for the taking, no need to come to earth

  3. Re: Not Planets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Planet is Greek for wanderer. So, I think the name is even more appropriate.

  4. TopSlot by durrr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I always wondered why wandering planets couldn't be used instead of dark matter to explain where all the missing mass is.

    1. Re:TopSlot by SJHillman · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not a physicist, but there's a few reasons. First and foremost, I believe there simply aren't enough wandering planets to explain it. Dark matter accounts for something like 90% of the gravitational effects that we see. If wandering planets were to blame for that much mass, they would definitely be much, much more noticeable even without giving off light like stars. Secondly, wandering planets simply don't fit the bill for what we're seeing in regards to gravity - if it were all planets, we would be seeing much different galactic formations.

    2. Re:TopSlot by halivar · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is the most insightful and informative ever to follow from the word "penis".

    3. Re:TopSlot by halivar · · Score: 4, Funny

      And of course, I accidentally a word.

    4. Re:TopSlot by idji · · Score: 5, Informative

      Read up on MACHOs vs WIMPS, two alternate theories of Dark Matter. "Your" idea is MACHO
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...

    5. Re:TopSlot by SJHillman · · Score: 3, Funny

      So what you're saying is that I'm a ... MACHO man? Maybe even a macho MACHO man?

      Also, interesting reads.

    6. Re:TopSlot by Tiger4 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't get cocky!

      --
      Behold, this dreamer cometh. Come now, and let us slay him... and we shall see what will become of his dreams.
  5. Re:Drake equation by aviators99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This impacts Drake equation and might shed light as to why we have not detected any other sentient life in the universe.

    No, it does not impact the Drake equation at all. The drake equation is based on R* and f(p) which are the the "rate of star formation" and the "fraction of those stars that have planets" (from your link on wikipedia). Both of these numbers are not affected by this finding.

  6. Great.... by alaskana98 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now not only do I have to be thankful that I have a roof over my head, now I have to be thankful I have a star over it to.

  7. Classification by sproketboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Actually these are not planets according to the new classification.

    First, it must orbit the Sun.
    Second, it must be big enough for gravity to squash it into a round ball.
    And third, it must have cleared other objects out of the way in its orbital neighborhood.

    http://missionscience.nasa.gov...

    1. Re:Classification by PhilHibbs · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are "planets". 8 of them.
      Then, there are a bunch of "dwarf planets" - Pluto, Ceres, Eris, etc.
      "Minor planets" - there are thousands, millions, I'm not sure, but a lot of these.
      "Exoplanets", let's divide these into two categories - system exoplanets, that orbit a star like our planets, dwarf planets, and minor planets, and systemless exoplanets that do not orbit a star.
      These are all different kinds of planet. In astronomical terminology, the word "planet" by itself is reserved for the Big Eight, but all these other things are a kind of planet.

  8. Re:Very odd... by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 4, Informative

    As I understand it, getting "captured in a gravity well" is actually pretty tricky. Unless you form in orbit around a larger body, you're most likely by far to just do a hyperbolic single-pass encounter. To be captured, you need to impact the larger body (a very rare occurrence), or dissipate your momentum in its atmosphere (almost as rare), or have some sort of multi-body interaction (probably rarer still).

    This is all approximate -- technically, I guess everything orbits everything within its historical light-cone. Almost none of those orbits are anything close to periodic, though.

  9. Re:Dark Matter by Thanshin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    (FYI)

    There are a few reasons astrophysicists know that it is extremely unlikely that dark matter is baryonic. First of all if all the stars in a galaxy shine on an object it heats up, this heat causes the release of radiation, called thermal radiation, and every (baryonic) object above zero kelvin (or -273.14 deg celcius) emits this radiation. However, dark matter does not emit any radiation at all (hence the name dark!)

    If dark matter were baryonic it would also mean that it could become light emitting. If we got a clump of baryonic matter* and put it in space it would gravitationally contract, and would eventually form a star or black hole** - both of which we would be able to see.

    So, because of these reasons the dark matter in galaxies and in galaxy groups/clusters cannot be baryonic, and so cannot be planets, dead stars, asteroids, etc. It would definetely not be planets as there is no way 10-100 times the mass of the stars in a galaxy would be planets, as the mechanism for making planets relies on supernovae, and the number of supernovae needed for the that many planets would be far too high to match our observations. I hope that this answered your question!

    *provided the clump of baryonic matter was large, and the amount there is in galaxies definitely is!

    ** we don't observe black holes directly, but can see radiation from their accretion disks.

  10. Flawed model? by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dark matter accounts for something like 90% of the gravitational effects that we see.

    I've always suspected that "dark matter" very likely isn't matter at all. I suspect it is simply a gap in our model similar to how relativity filled in gaps for Newtonian mechanics. Dark matter (and dark energy) are basically placeholders for observations that do not match our model. That means one of two things. Either there is something we haven't observed yet OR there is something missing from our model. Both are quite possible but we seem fixated on that former when it could very easily be the later.

    I actually do have some background in physics (college minor and worked in some research labs) and I've never have any "real" physicist give me a satisfactory explanation as to why invoking some mysterious matter/energy is a more likely answer than a gap in our models. We understand gravity probably the least of the four forces and we don't have a model that integrates it into our Standard Model. Seems to me that the place to look may very well be in the math rather than in the stars.

    1. Re:Flawed model? by SJHillman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A lot of physicists, including Neil deGrasse Tyson, have said that "Dark Matter" is actually a pretty poor name for the phenomenon because it's almost certainly not just some exotic form of matter, but something else entirely that's at work. However, like many things in science, the early name was catchy enough to stick in spite of being a crappy descriptor.

    2. Re:Flawed model? by sjbe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A lot of physicists, including Neil deGrasse Tyson, have said that "Dark Matter" is actually a pretty poor name for the phenomenon because it's almost certainly not just some exotic form of matter

      Unfortunately a lot more physicists talk about dark matter (in public anyway) as if it is actually matter of some sort despite the fact that we have no actual direct evidence that such a thing actually exists. Now maybe dark matter really does exist but all we have right now are some observations that don't match our models. Could be that our powers of observation are simply too limited in some way right now OR it could just as easily mean we have a flawed math model. I tend to think the latter is significantly more likely but obviously cannot rule out the former.

      Physicists and scientists in general though are pretty bad at explaining concepts to the general public. I'm more educated than most people are with regard to physics and I have yet to find an explanation of the Standard Model that is even vaguely approachable to a layman such as myself. They also are pretty bad at communicating where the lines between what we know and what we do not know actually are.

    3. Re:Flawed model? by thrich81 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As an example that worked out -- the neutrino was originally proposed as an unobserved, mysterious matter particle to avoid having to modify the laws of conservation of momentum and energy when applied to nuclear beta decays.

  11. Planetary System Without A Star? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    We've seen that with Jupiter, if it were not for being in orbit around Sol, Jupiter and its moons would effectively be their own dark solar system.

  12. This makes sense by confused+one · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Systems composed of multiple stars (binaries, etc.) are more common than singular stars, like our Sun. A binary system is a risky place to be -- there is a strong probability that the gravitational interaction between the paired stars would, given enough time, eject any planetary body which forms there -- the "stable" regions depend on the orbital parameters of the two (or more) stars and can be limited to very narrow bands. So, if planetary formation is a typical process around stars and binaries are more common, then it's likely that the galaxy has a large population of planets ejected from unstable orbits around binaries.

    For what it's worth, conjecture is that the Sun formed in a cluster and was, itself, ejected. Nearby stars with identical spectra (implying they formed from the same source material) have been identified.