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Ask Slashdot: How Useful Are DMARC and DKIM?
whoever57 writes How widely are DKIM and DMARC being implemented? Some time ago, Yahoo implemented strict checks on DKIM before accepting email, breaking many mailing lists. However, Spamassassin actually assigns a positive score (more likely to be spam) to DKIM-signed emails, unless the signer domain matches the from domain. Some email marketing companies don't provide a way for emails to be signed with the sender's domain — instead, using their own domain to sign emails. DMARC doesn't seem to have a delegation mechanism, by which a domain owner could delegate other domains as acceptable signatures for emails their emails. All of these issues suggest that the value of DKIM and DMARC is quite low, both as a mechanism to identify valid emails and as a mechanism to identify spam. In fact, spam is often dkim-signed.
Are Slashdot users who manage email delivery actually using DKIM and DMARC?
You want longtime GI?
I do technical support for an industry leading antispam email appliance. Very, very few of the admins I speak with every day utilize DKIM.
Are my preferred tools to use on spammers.
I am so excited! And I don't even know what DMARC and DKIM are!!!!!!!
The poster complains that some email marketing (spam) companies don't provide any way to avoid being caught by these anti-spam tools... sounds like a good thing to me...
spf, dkim, dmarc, so many ways to try and accomplish the same thing and none of them work well because nobody trusts any of them fully and few people have them fully implemented... Obligatory xkcd
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Your post advocates a
(X ) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante
approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)
( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
(X ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
(X ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
( ) Users of email will not put up with it
( ) Microsoft will not put up with it
( ) The police will not put up with it
( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
(X ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
(X ) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business
Specifically, your plan fails to account for
( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
(X ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
( ) Open relays in foreign countries
( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
(X ) Asshats
( ) Jurisdictional problems
( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
(X ) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
(X ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
(X ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
( ) Extreme profitability of spam
( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
( ) Technically illiterate politicians
( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
( ) Outlook
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
(X ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
been shown practical
( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
( ) Blacklists suck
(X ) Whitelists suck
( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
(X ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
( ) Sending email should be free
(X ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
( ) I don't want the government reading my email
(X ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough
Furthermore, this is what I think about you:
(X ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!
Even of one pronounces Marc and Kim and DMARC and DKIM, their names should be written correctly! of course, you could wrote "The Marc" and "The Kim".
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DMARC would work a lot better if Google for one didn't wrongly try to internally forward as-is *and then bounce* email from DMARC-controlled domains, thus making it impossible for example to get through for many support queries, and causing spurious problems with (say) Google Calendar when the account ID is in a DMARC-controlled domain.
Left hand vs right hand Google? You guys are meant to be smart!
That and randomly chucking email from DMARC-controlled domains in SPAM folders...
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A lot of the mail I get that goes into quarantine or marked as spam comes from outsourced senders, where Domain.com uses some 3rd party to send mail on behalf of it. This can be ISPs, companies like Constantcontact.com or God-only-knows what else. Of course, the company who bought this service probably doesn't know or want to understand what the problem is, and the company that's doing the outsourcing has no real incentive to make sure their hosts (including SPF, etc) are configured properly.
We have moved to DXMAK, which supports delegation, distributed authentication, domain owner signing, and transfer-of-ownership features. Our IT dept evaluated a number of alternatives and settled on DXMAK as the most complete solution. It's been in trials for just over two months now with good results so far.
DKIM and DMARC provide methods which allow mailing list systems to avoid being flagged.
http://www.dmarc.org/faq.html#s_3
Mailing list operators do need to upgrade their mailing software.
Are there any guides out there describing how to send e-mail *reliably* these days?
Seems that the RFCs don't cut it anymore, since there are so many undocumented rules that large e-mail providers (gmail, etc.) use.
If you'd go by the RFSs alone, your e-mail just ends up in a spam-filter (at best) most of the time.
If Pandora's box is destined to be opened, *I* want to be the one to open it.
It's cute to see them try, but the failures were more or less inevitable from the start. Reasons why left as an exercise.
I send bulk email for an opt-in list with mailman (opt in as in you have to walk in the store and physically write your email on our sign up sheet).
We have Google host the email for the business and use self hosted for the important stuff.
To get SPF and DKIM working for the business I determined that I could not do this through google. The bounces get redirected to the wrong place and the sender auth fails. I needed bounces to come to me, not Google, so mailman could do the bounce processing. So I had to set up a separate self hosted mail machine with a separate domain, so that the sending domain could match the sender and the bounces could come back to the same place and get bounce processed.
Email sucks and SPF, SKIM and probably DMARC suck.
I should use this sig to advertise my book ISBN-13 : 978-1501515132.
That's because the 3rd party isn't doing it right. When one receives such a message for forwarding, one is supposed to verify that it passes the checks and then resign them with your information. And as long as the specification works you wind up with a message being accounted for all the way to the sender.
And you're right that the sender ultimately has responsibility here. They're also the ones that get burned when emails wind up disappearing because somebody's server won't pass them on.
Default scores in SpamAssassin have been assigned based on tests against a large corpus of both emails to obtain a statistical likelihood that a given email will be spam or not for ages, so I take the positive score (more likely to be spam) as a pretty solid indication that its use doesn't provide a good indicator of legitimate mail. Ironically, the biggest culprit for that is probably one of DKIM's biggest proponents, the sheer volume of spam from compromised Yahoo accounts and signed by Yahoo's outbound mail relays is largely responsible for that positive score in my experience - if only they'd do better spam filtering of their outbound email... Not that they are the only ESP with that failing, of course.
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
That would be an acceptable thought, except that even when it was just SPF and DKIM most admins didn't bother with it. And you're really supposed to be using both as they don't do they complement each other.
Ultimately, ti's the same as IPv6 nobody bothered because they wanted everybody else to go first and meanwhile nothing was being done.
Orbitz uses DKIM in their email blasts. They ignore all requests to be removed from these email blasts.
We've been running it since 1997 and it was fine until AOL changed their policy. Then some members on the list couldn't get email. And they reported problems with other lists. I made a change to the server but it didn't help and more big ISPs started rejecting traffic from our list. Earthlink outright banned our ISP for it's 5 members and the owner of the system had to contact Earthlink to get it fixed. It took two weeks and in the end we were asked to shutdown our list.
I don't know what others are doing, but we ended up moving to Google Groups, but only half the people came over. The rest just felt 'this internet thing' was to much trouble and are are doing without.
I'm stuck in the middle trying to administer the list when it's out of my hands. Some still think I have something to gain by moving it to Google Groups.
First, Yahoo didn't publish a strict check on DKIM. They published a p=reject within their DMARC record, which validates SPF and DKIM. Second, it's far from just Yahoo, and more are coming. If you are an orgranization that is concerned about phishing, or wants to protect a brand, you should probably look at DMARC for your messages. There are some organizations that are doing Domain Reputation based on the DKIM signatures in messages, which would help you if your platform moves IP space, or enables IPv6. This is not a cure-all, but it's part of the process, and yes, it introduces some problems. While you're at it, start using TLS for sending/receiving, and check if your MTA has DANE support on their roadmap (Postfix already has it).
And neither of you got first post! W00t!
Can't e-mail people on AOL or Yahoo anymore, and anyone on those services can't sent to a mailing list.
Why the mailing lists broke... They didn't follow RFC 2476 with regard to RFC2822 headers and what can and can not be rewritten, and then they failed to sign the messages with their own mail server signatures.
If you are going to send messages, the policies and protocols force you to take responsibility for the fact that you've sent them, and if you're unwilling to do that, then you don't get to send mail to people who don't like you not taking responsibility.
Too bad, so sad, fix your configuration or you lose.
Former technical support rep for an email marketing company, here.
You only need DKIM if you send a massive amount of mail to users at Yahoo or Microsoft (outlook.com, hotmail) domains.
The purpose of DKIM is to verify the mail you're sending is actually coming from your domain and not someone who is spoofing your domain.
Nobody cares about DMARK.
Yahoo and Microsoft throttle email based on whether or not your domain has proper DKIM keys setup.
If you don't have them set up you can only spam about a thousand messages before you get blocked.
However if you set up DKIM you can spam Yahoo and Microsoft mail (hotmail, outlook.com, etc) users all day long and those mail providers will turn a blind eye.
Basically, there are two sides to implementing SPF and DKIM:
- Outgoing mail: yes, it's probably a good idea to set up SPF and DKIM on your outgoing mail-servers and DNS. You'll less likely end up in the "junk" folder of Hotmail or GMail. Setting up SPF and DKIM is actually not as hard as some people seem to think. There are enough free services on the Internet that will check if your config is correct. While you are at it, make sure your mailserver is configured to use the STARTTLS SMTP command. Most spammers don't use TLS over SMTP, so it's a little extra that can give you an advantage in anti-spam filters.
- Incoming mail: this is where most of the problems arise. There are a lot of mail servers out there that don't implement it, or don't implement correctly. For my personal mail setup (which runs on PostFix), I decided to implement them as they should be (SPF softfail/hardfail according to sender DNS records etc...). If you run a business, this might result in loss of business mail, so might want to ignore SPF and DKIM
TL;DR: Configure it for your outgoing email, ignore it for incoming mail. ("Be Strict with Yourself and Lenient Towards Others" - Fan Chunren )
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I have DKIM and SPF in place for a domain that needs to send out important emails. It is not that difficult to get in place (assuming you're already comfortable with DNS, SMTP, Public/Private key encryption and debugging email problems). Setting up OpenDKIM alongside a PostFix install is straight-forward. And you don't need to buy a Certificate from a CA to get it working for the public.
Google checks both the SPF and DKIM when receiving mail, and you can see the results their servers come up with in the header of the received mail. Your message will also display "signed-by: [domain.tld]" in the header details popup.
I have never seen or gotten reports of emails that pass both DKIM and SPF checks going into Google's "spam" folder or otherwise being delayed/redirected.
In short, I find it very useful to help assure my customers that data will be kept flowing properly, to the best of my ability anyway. Haven't looked into DMARC much.
These mechanisms are only valid for "transactional" business email, where business correspondents need the email credibly labelled by the sending company. It's OK for stuff where you establish who to talk to by mail, telephone or wild-ass-guess, and make deals based on that lebel of security.
It's utterly inappropriate for mailing lists, remailers, discussion groups or material gatewayted between email and usenet or web services. The workaround are lies, told to convince the anti-spam functions of DKIM et all to let it through.
About a week after DKIM broke all the IETF and ISOC lists, the spammers were signing their spam so as to be deliverable once more. I was on the ISOC list at the time, and some unkind words got said about Yahoos.
davecb@spamcop.net
p=reject is a extremely strict check: if it doesn't pass, the email service drops it. It is only for transactional business mail, and should never be applied to mailing-list mail. Ask the IETF authors.
Yahoo, AOL and friends were under severe pressure to "do something, anything". They did do something, it's just that ...
A week or so later the spam had proper signatures.
davecb@spamcop.net
I implemented the strictest controls possible for a site that was being heavily phished and it worked very well. Here's the things you have to understand about DMARC, DKIM, and SPF (since SPF matters to DMARC too).
As a basic overview, here's what these do.
SPF = Only allow emails from specific domains / ip addresses
DKIM = When an email arrives, verify the signature with the domain it claims to be from to ensure it actually came from there
DMARC = How strict should we be with SPF and DKIM?
DMARC in itself isn't an actual verification system. What DMARC does is allows you to tell mail servers exactly how to handle emails that do not pass SPF and/or DKIM checks. Without DMARC, mail servers have to guess and basically follow their own rules. If you've taken the time to document where email from a particular domain comes from (including 3rd party services), ensured that your SPF includes everything, and have verified that all emails are signed with DKIM then eventually you can be strict enough with your DMARC settings to say that anything not passing both SPF and DKIM can simply be trashed. That's what the strictest setting looks like. You can also tell mail servers to send it to the spam folder, just in case you missed something. You can tell it to treat SPF strictly and ignore DKIM or vice versa. You can tell it to apply your DMARC rules to a percentage of your emails (to make it easier to transition into to using it with a small group of messages). You can also have providers send you an XML based email of the days activity to see how messages were handled from different services and where those messages originated. The reports can be a pain to make sense of but once you have everything setup properly you tend to stop looking at them.
It's important to remember, because SPF if easier to implement since it's just a DNS rule. For DKIM you have to actually sign the email before it's sent which may or may not be possible from all of your various points of email origin. DKIM is better, but that makes it more complicated. And that's why you have to have something like DMARC so that you can tell mail servers just how thoroughly those rules have been implemented.
The site that I implemented it for was a very old site where people managed high dollar transactions over email. Phishing was RAMPANT but even more so because there was a good chance a phisher could pass off an email as actually coming from our domain. The combination of 3 protocols in strict mode stopped that completely. It didn't stop PHISHING, but it did secure our domain against it. After that phishers had to use other domains, leaving off a middle letter, trying spelling variations, etc. This gave us the ability to work with registrars to either buy the domains or report the domains for abuse.
As an early poster said, you can't completely stop phishing but there are preventative measures you can take to protect compromised accounts.
After that we took additional steps to secure users accounts. We started recording ip addresses with all logins or return visits along with geographic data from MaxMind. Once we had enough sample data to create a general point of origin, we started locking accounts if they were accessed more than 200 miles from their normal center point and always if they logged in from a different country. As soon as the account was locked for a geographic reason, we sent users an email notifying them that their account had been accessed from another country or outside of their area and that if this lock was in error, they could click a link to disable that function for 2 weeks while they were traveling. Otherwise they should change their password. Users really appreciated it. We expected some usability frustration, but overall these users were very happy to know we were watching out for them.
People also tried to create fake accounts on the system to initiate transactions. For that, we took a page out of Fark's playbook. On Fark, when you get blocked / banned you don't KNOW you've been banned.
"Don't teach a man to fish, feed yourself. He's a grown man. Fishing's not that hard." - Ron Swanson
DKIM, SPF and DMARC are in reality not very wide implemented, but the thing is many biggies in the tech scene implemented them, so that millions of mail adresses are now being affected by them. The thing is, anyone can sign his emails with DKIM. This only tells that he's able to do it, it doesn't tell anything about if it is Spam or not. In fact, many spammers were the first to sigh their mails with it. DKIM is only a mechanism to make sure the sending domain is not being forged, nothing more, nothing less. DKIM alone is harmless. You can tell your milter what to do with such mails, if you want to. The next thing is SPF or Sender Policy Framework. This in short allows administrators to setup an IP or bunch of hosts as official mail exchanges, so that you can tell your MTA to discard mails which do not originate in such stuff. Problem is, for example, web based recommendation formulars, in which you enter your mail adress - broken. Using other MTAs on the road - broken. Forwarding/bouncing mails - might also be broken. DMARC then is the top of the former two, because the reason of this standard is the ability to provide a policy what other MTAs should do if either a) DKIM or b) SPF or both do fail at the same time. DMARC is not a way to get less spam, it is only a way to be able to reduce the abuse of your own domain with spam. And it does break quite much legitimate use cases of email, so it is a bad idea.
I do not see much benefit, but it was not too hard to set up and does not need maintainennce.
DMARC: utter crap breaking mailinglists - therefore: NO.
Valid DKIM signed mail from Yahoo still has a very high likelihood of being spam. They don't seem to do nearly enough to prevent spam originating from their network.
Haaa ...
I had lots of mails bounce after Yahoo implemented DMARC.
However, with a bit of patience, I was able to implement DKIM and SPF for my domain, and now all the mails get delivered to Yahoo addresses.
I wrote about how ot configure SPF and DKIM in this article: Setting up SPF and DKIM for Postfix.
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DMARC's biggest use is to give the true owner of a domain visibility into who is trying to fake their domain. That's why ADP adopted it. They were getting phished left and right and since they implemented DMARC (which always includes DKIM and SPF) we have not seen a single phish against them and it used to be a dozen a week.
The biggest drawback to DKIM.SPF/DMARC is you must have control of who sends email using your domain. If you're sloppy as heck and let every one of your vendors pretend they are you, you can never get it to work. And that is why you will continue to be used for phishing.
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My company (Roaring Penguin) uses SPF for outbound mail and we DKIM-sign our mail too. Our antispam software also supports SPF and DKIM. We don't yet support DMARC, but probably will at some point. The problem with fully supporting DMARC is the reporting component. It's a real bear to send DMARC reports, but obeying DMARC policies is much easier. We'll start by doing DMARC-policy-obeying first and then think about reporting.
I was involved in some quite heated discussions on the DMARC list about one problem. DMARC is supposed to prevent someone from forging the From: header sender (and to a lesser extent if used with SPF, the envelope sender.)
The problem is that most MUAs (mail clients) do not show the full email address of the sender. They only show the full name. For example, a header that looks like this:
From: American Express Fraud Dept <bozo@example.com>
will be displayed in a typical mail client as just American Express Fraud Dept with not a single complaint from DMARC.
Even worse, a scammer can use a header like this:
From: "American Express Fraud Dept - fraud@aexp.com" <bozo@example.com>
and the mail client will display the fake fraud@aexp.com address with nary a DMARC complaint.
Mail sucks. User-interfaces suck. People suck. Bah.
Recent advances in DKIM and DMARC hardening algorithms have paved the way for SMPs. The notion that hackers worldwide interfere with the visualization of architecture is often outdated. Continuing with this rationale, The notion that cyberneticists cooperate with adaptive configurations is regularly well-received. Unfortunately, DMARC alone can fulfill the need for suffix trees.
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While DMARC has some record of success I encourage everyone to consider the user of MAILP3. MAILP1 was introduced in 29007 but it had weak authentication and was highly susceptible to bulk spamming. MAILP3 is now used by many large institutions and has all but eliminated spam.
The problem with DKIM is the number of IT departments that use it as an unofficial standard. Once we Slashdotters promote the use of MAILP3 it can become treated as a best practice for spam prevention.
Version 12 of DMARC provides enhanced authentication for protection of the user account. The user finds availability of the multiple security keys. The most important betterness of version 12 over version 11 is the elimination of all possibilities of the man in the middle attack. Many reports of man in the middle attacks still happen so I doubt this advantage. If have the concern of man in the middle attacking of your system, use MAILP3 or an SPF factor of at least 40.
DKIM ain't about spam, its about spoofing. Grow brain please.
That mail from Facebook and LinkedIn don't get delivered isn't a problem, but things like contracts are obviously an issue. Gmail doesn't care, but many of our agents use ISP provided email, like Comcast and BellSouth/AT&T (Yahoo), which silently drop email that fails DKIM checks. If they just went to a spam folder it wouldn't be such a big deal, but no - they insist on dropping without even a bounce.
With a gubernatorial campaign. First we used one of the big campaigner sites. They are based in Canada. They didn't like that people bitched so we got a pipe from the local provider, setup and outbound smtp server and started from there. Immediately started getting bounces from AOL. Decided it wasn't worth implementing their paradigm.
Sending several millions transactional emails per month. Theoretically speaking, I don't know how useful they are or not. Why? because I wouldn't dare sending out emails without them. and why should I? I took some time to configure the appropriate mechanisms and integrate with our third party senders and I see I enjoy good deliverability and no spoofing issues as far as I can see. Why test otherwise? any good real reason not to?
in all real seriousness, unless your scenario stops you dead-cold from applying DKIM, SPF and DMARC - don't forego using them. play with your e-mail reputation/sender score at your own risk.
If i want to buy a product, I will go to the seller.
How do you become aware of a seller's existence?
It was Yahoo's - and Aol's - DMARC policies that broke mailing lists. Both published p=reject pct=100 in April of this year.
DKIM is extremely useful for authentication, and many recipient domains assign sender reputation to authenticated DKIM signatures. DMARC is more about monitoring what kind of traffic is originating from IPs that are not yours, but that bears your domain in the From: address. DMARC is most useful for domains that tend to be used in phish attacks, like financial institutions, large commerce sites, etc.
In my org (a high school) we were having issues with spambots using our organization's address in the From: field for spam campaigns. The turning point for us was when a malware payload came with a From: field of the assistant principal addressed to many of our employees. The mail was not from one of our mail servers, but the From field trick some of our users into opening it. With DMARC + DKIM and a strict policy we have eliminated this problem.
We did have some minor implementation headaches. Our admissions team's spam mailing vendor was non-compliant with DKIM and would not work with us to set up authenticated mail. We resolved our issue with them by making the admissions guys send mail from a more permissive subdomain so that we could implement the strict protections on our primary domain.
All that said, the implementation was not incredibly difficult. We use Google Apps for our mailing, and a SMTP server on-campus to allow our applications to send mail. Google DKIM+DMARC is easy, and there are plenty of guides on implementing DKIM in Postfix. Overall I think the change has been worth it. I'm a little frightened at all of the abuse reports I see now that otherwise would have gone out in our domain's name.
I use DKIM and DMARC on the email from my domain, so I have some experience. The benefit of DKIM (and SPF) is that the email I send does not automatically get mis-identified as spam. Before implementation, it was. Later I discovered that some spammers were forging the headers in their email to indicate that they were sent from my domain, so I implemented DMARC to see if that would stop it. DMARC is hard to set up and it has problems. Not many email hosts support it, so it is not very useful either. Some of the problems are 1) if you send an email to someone that has an automatic forward to another email account, the signature breaks and the email is rejected at the second account; 2) sending email directly from some applications (Evernote used to be an example) causes the signature to fail and the message will be marked as spam; 3) sending email from your phone will sometimes fail the signature check; 4) newsletters, e.g.Constant Contact, that use your domain as the from address will often fail the signature without special coordination with the provider.