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Ferguson No-Fly Zone Revealed As Anti-Media Tactic

The AP (here, carried by the San Francisco Chronicle) reports that recorded conversations reveal flight restrictions requested in August by the police force of Ferguson, MO, and agreed to by Federal aviation safety officials, were specifically intended to limit the access of journalists to the area, rather than purely in response to safety concerns. One FAA manager in Kansas City was recorded saying police "did not care if you ran commercial traffic through this TFR (temporary flight restriction) all day long. They didn't want media in there." "There is really ... no option for a [Temporary Flight Restriction] that says, you know, 'OK, everybody but the media is OK,'" he said. The managers then worked out wording they felt would keep news helicopters out of the controlled zone but not impede other air traffic. The conversations contradict claims by the St. Louis County Police Department, which responded to demonstrations following the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, that the restriction was solely for safety and had nothing to do with preventing media from witnessing the violence or the police response. Police said at the time, and again as recently as late Friday to the AP, that they requested the flight restriction in response to shots fired at a police helicopter. But police officials confirmed there was no damage to their helicopter and were unable to provide an incident report on the shooting. On the tapes, an FAA manager described the helicopter shooting as unconfirmed "rumors."

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  1. While I hate the media circus... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is illegal.

    1. Re:While I hate the media circus... by FreeRadicalX · · Score: 5, Funny

      Freedom of the press as named in the freakin First Amendment of the Constitution, you sea lion.

    2. Re:While I hate the media circus... by Etherwalk · · Score: 2

      illegal

      What statute has been violated?

      The First Amendment prohibits the prior restraint of speech except in *very* narrow circumstances.

      Lots of things are illegal without violating a statute--they may violate the Constitution, or a regulation promulgated pursuant to a statute, for example.

    3. Re:While I hate the media circus... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Freedom of the press as named in the freakin First Amendment of the Constitution,

      Funny, I always assumed that that only applied to handset printing presses such as existed during the 18th Century, and reporters who travelled by sailing ship, horse, or foot to find and spread the story....

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    4. Re:While I hate the media circus... by sexconker · · Score: 2

      The second amendment does not say "in order to maintain a well regulated militia". There is no constraining clause at all. There is a justifying phrase. Whether or not you think that justifying phrase applies today or not makes no difference. That clause does not constrain the amendment in any way. nor is it in anyway a prerequisite of the amendment.

      The Supreme Court has allowed a lot of bullshit, yes. Just because they're in a position of authority doesn't make them correct.

    5. Re:While I hate the media circus... by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 2

      In 2008 Heller happened. Look it up.

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  2. whoever is responsible... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And there are probably at least a dozen. They should all do at least 20 years. They are the worst evil garbage imaginable.

    1. Re:whoever is responsible... by Moof123 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Aiming guns at currently non-violent protesters was not enough to cause outrage (among a great many more blatant violations, but this is?!

      Face it, those in charge will get a slap on the wrist at best at this point. Power has corrupted, and it is too late to do anything meaningful. If you try expect to get on a secret list and have your life screwed with royally. Hunker down and hope you aren't alredy on a list to get "disappeared".

    2. Re:whoever is responsible... by pete6677 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pants Up, Don't Loot!

  3. What a surprise (not) by WalksOnDirt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Somebody should go to jail over this.

    It won't happen, though.

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    1. Re:What a surprise (not) by chromaexcursion · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A boat load of federal crimes (maybe a helicopter load). A lot of people (police and local officials) deserve to go to jail.
      There are too many he said she said. Unconfirmable statements, only muddy it further. Unless an insider blows the whistle, the guilty will walk.
      A really nasty federal grand jury could put the screws on those who deserve to be punished. They might have to dig into their retirement fund to pay for legal advice. Some pain, less than what most of them deserve. The ones simply following orders don't need a lawyer. The truth, my boss told me to do this and I believed him/her, should protect them. They didn't commit a crime. Don't kill the messenger.
      Perhaps the idiot at the FAA that accepted this may pay. Probably not fired, but at least enough damage to make someone else think twice before accepting a sack of bull$#1t.

    2. Re:What a surprise (not) by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A really nasty federal grand jury could put the screws on those who deserve to be punished.

      Yeah, good luck finding a prosecutor who will go after the State for protecting its power by hiding its abuses from the press. That's a career-killer for any ladder-climbing prosecutor, and it appears all the other types have been driven from the vocation at this point.

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    3. Re:What a surprise (not) by s.petry · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Though unfortunate, I believe you are correct. There is a lot of abuses in Ferguson which should have already landed officials in jail, outside of the obvious. Police have repeated targeted journalists, even firing Tear Gas directly at an Al Jazeera TV crew, and after chasing them away turned off their cameras and turned down their lights. RT and Infowars also had crews attacked by police. Before you "but but those guys are *insert something silly* they provide information which no other agency is providing.

      People in power _WANT_ to take out media so that the only thing people see is what they script. They want the issue to be black vs. white, because if it looks that way instead of corruption people poke at each other instead of looking at officials. The agenda behind all of this is easy to see, because they do it all the time. Citizen and Blog media is blowing their cover, and they really hate it.

      Back on point, they have already said that the cop that shot Michael Brown would probably not face any charges, even what should be obviously excessive use of force. So the trend of Police brutality and corruption will continue, until of course people just start killing dirty cops. I don't advocate vigilantism, but at a certain point people will see there is no choice.

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    4. Re:What a surprise (not) by binarylarry · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So the guy commits a strong arm robbery on video, then attacks a cop who's investigating and gets shot while going for the cops gun at close range, and it's police brutality?

      I'm all for making police accountable, but this seems like a bad ticket to ride on.

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    5. Re:What a surprise (not) by binarylarry · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Trying to grab your gun isn't "surrender" in white cop guy land.

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    6. Re:What a surprise (not) by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The cop had no idea about the robbery at the time of the shooting. He was reprimanding them for blocking traffic by walking in the middle of the street.

      The perp however knew he just robbed a place and that probably drove his action to attack the cop and try for his gun. I believe the cop had reasonable fear for his life because without knowledge of the robbery, the actions seem like that of a crazy person hell bent on harming him. Had the cop known of the robbery, i suspect the entire approach as well as the outcome would have been different without anyone dieing.

    7. Re:What a surprise (not) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And if he had been shot to death while struggling for the cops gun I'd agree with you. But you don't get to shoot the guy when he is yards away with his hands up in the air. The fact the cop was able to empty the entire clip into him, including two shots to the head, strongly suggests that control of the officers weapon was not in question.

    8. Re:What a surprise (not) by binarylarry · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They found the deceased's blood *in* the cop car and on the cop's uniform and *on his gun*. Multiple witnesses said the scuffle and shootings happened inside the car (even the guy's buddy who tried to make it sound like the cop pulled the huge guy INTO the cop car while sitting in it, LOL).

      http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/18/...

      "FBI forensic tests showed the gun was fired twice in the car, with one bullet hitting Brown's arm while the second one missed, the newspaper said.

      In addition to Wilson's uniform and gun, forensic tests found the teen's blood on the interior door panel of his car, The Times said."

      Although I bet you'll claim CNN is some left wing news outfit making shit up and the FBI is in on it.

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    9. Re:What a surprise (not) by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That might explain the shooting that occurred at the police car, but it doesn't justify the fatal shots. You just don't get to claim self-defense when your adversary is running away! (Or when the adversary has given up trying to run and has decided to surrender instead, for that matter.)

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    10. Re:What a surprise (not) by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

      Did you inspect officer Wilson's injuries?

      No. Nobody fucking did! Why? Because there weren't any! If there were, he would have gone to the fucking ambulance and had them treat him instead of standing around.

      The officer only decided to seek treatment later, because he realized it might help his bullshit excuse. That is the action of someone who not only wasn't hurt, but who knew he was wrong.

      Do you deny officer's the right to self defense? Or is it open season for police officers for you?

      I deny jack-booted thugs the right to offense!

      Do you deny the fact that you're a fascist asshole?

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    11. Re:What a surprise (not) by s.petry · · Score: 2

      You completely missed the point in my GP about controlling narrative. I don't trust CNN as far as I can spit. In fact the one of the forensics experts was on the local radio here (910AM in the Bay Area) and has threatened to sue at least one media outlet for fabricating information and taking some of her work out of context, taking quotes from an off the record interview and using those with evidence instead of the correct quotes.

      CNN has a very long history of fabricating stories as "news" and being an establishment mouthpiece, not "news".

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    12. Re:What a surprise (not) by s.petry · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You have more logical fallacies in your post than you do sentences.

      The problem is that many things that are "obvious" to you are wrong. Did you inspect officer Wilson's injuries? The problem is that many things that are "obvious" to you are wrong. Did you inspect officer Wilson's injuries?

      TFA and my argument was regarding the establishment abusing power in order to control the narrative. Officer Wilson's alleged injuries are not relevant. Worse, the officer was not reported to be harmed at the scene, received no medical treatment on the scene, or even after he was removed from the location. So you start with a Strawman and cum hoc ergo propter hoc, then move to Argumentum ad verecundiam and appeal to assertion.

      Do you deny officer's the right to self defense? Or is it open season for police officers for you?

      Ahh, the ole ad hominem based on a argumentum ad misericordiam. Obviously if I'm against police brutality I must be supporting people randomly shooting cops, because there is no place between those two points.

      I guess we know now.

      Argumentum ad populum, or perhaps argumentum ad numerum. No you don't know, and no the populace does not agree with you.

      Will no one rid me of the troublesome priest?

      False dichotomy based on previous fallacy arguments. There are countless options in between promoting vigilante killing of dirty police and allowing police free reign to abuse the populace they are sworn to protect.

      Would you care to go another round shill? I do mean shill with all of it's interesting implications, since whether you are paid or not you have a history of arguing as a pro-establishment mouth piece.

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    13. Re:What a surprise (not) by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

      or if he attempted to lunge for the cop a second time

      According to witnesses, the officer started shooting while Brown was still running away: "The cop gets out of his vehicle shooting," Mitchell said. "(Brown's) body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turned around and he put his hands up. ... The cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground, and his face just smacked the concrete."

      Brown must have been some kind of acrobat, in order to 'lunge for the cop' while facing the opposite direction!

      But, I don't think the cop was planning on killing the guy.

      Indeed, because unloading 8+ shots is what you do when you're not planning on killing.

      Against a much larger/younger/stronger assailant anything short of him falling to the ground spread eagle should be viewed suspiciously.

      So "suspicion" justifies lethal force now?

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    14. Re:What a surprise (not) by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

      Make no mistake, i belive this cop was in the wrong but not because of any ill or malicious intent. I believe he was scared out of his mind...

      Really? Scared out of his mind... why? He's a goddamned cop! He's supposed to be trained to deal with exactly that kind of confrontation without overreacting that way! For that matter, he's supposed to be trained to manage the situation so that he doesn't put himself in that position to begin with!

      Think about it: the asshole cop pulled up alongside and tried to talk to them through the window. If he were scared, why the Hell would he intentionally get that close, with him having the disadvantage of being seated? That, by itself, has got to go against police training (let alone everything else that was fucked up about the situation).

      Everything about how the officer initiated the situation, escalated it, reacted inappropriately, and tried to cover it up afterwards are the actions of nothing other than an incompetent, racist shithead. The actions of his fellow shitheads (i.e., just about every official in metro St. Louis, up to and including the one that used the FAA to obstruct the media) and his own prior records just reinforce that conclusion.

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    15. Re:What a surprise (not) by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

      If 5 seconds ago, someone attacks you and tries to take your weapon

      Unfortunately for your argument, even that circumstance is under dispute. By some accounts, the officer tried to quickly open his car door while he was too close to Brown, the door bounced off him and hit the officer, and then the officer shot Brown (the first time) in retaliation for his own stupidity.

      the only way to deescalate it back to a non-lethal level is complete and unconditional surrender.

      (Continuing the same account) after getting shot the first time, Brown ran away (justly fearing for his life), got shot at again, and turned around attempting to surrender. Then the officer continued shooting until he fell over dead.

      The lesson black Americans are learning from this atrocity is:

      • If you attempt to assert yourself, you will be murdered.
      • If you attempt to flee, you will be murdered.
      • Even if you attempt to surrender, you will still be murdered!
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  4. Political science by pushing-robot · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is why we need to give power back to the states!

    Oh, wait, that didn't work.

    Give it to the feds!

    Honestly? They were pretty shit too.

    Hail the king!

    Ehh, he really made a mess of things last time.

    Power to the corporations!

    No, wait, that was a complete disaster.

    We could try giving it to the people again, but let's face it: they're as selfish and shortsighted as the rest.

    Okay, I'm open for suggestions at this point. Horses, maybe?

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    1. Re:Political science by binarylarry · · Score: 3, Informative

      One word: Kodos.

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    2. Re:Political science by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Okay, I'm open for suggestions at this point. Horses, maybe?

      Citizens selected by lot. It worked in Athens.

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    3. Re:Political science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And what do you propose we do when all the people in power have decided to solve their Prisoner's Dilemma and collude?

      Ideals are a fine thing, in theory. In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, theory and practice are nothing alike.

    4. Re:Political science by ray-auch · · Score: 2

      he also made it clear that we had to vote for a lizard, otherwise the wrong lizard might get in...

  5. Why did the FAA go along? by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they knew the police were just trying to impede the media, why did they go along? Heads should roll at multiple levels.

  6. Legal requirements by Dereck1701 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder what the legal requirements for filing these restrictions are, I know most similar documents require those filing them attest to the real reason for the request under penalty of perjury. If that's the case for these documents then someone effectively committed a felony punishable by up to 5 years in prison. Also a quick browse of the relevant advisories in regards to Temporary Flight Restrictions does not suggest there is any allowance for "because we don't want the media to see", National security (specifically mentioning the DOD), High ranking politicians movements, Spacecraft launches, major sporting events, hijacking incidents & wildfires, but nothing about the press so I doubt that was the reason put down on the forms.

    http://www.faa.gov/documentLib...

    1. Re:Legal requirements by multriha · · Score: 2

      You realize how many things have to be attested to under penalty of perjury? You realize how many times people have gone to jail for the most straight-forwardly blatant fail statements in such cases? Next to none if any.

      Any doubt? DMCA takedown requests have to be attested to under penalty of perjury. Ever hear of a false/improper DMCA request? How about someone going to jail for making a false one? (Keep in mind a statement made under penalty of perjury by an automated system does not make the person whose authority the system is being used under in any immune).
       

    2. Re:Legal requirements by Sqr(twg) · · Score: 4, Informative

      Keeping the press away is a matter of National Security. That's how it is in every police state.

    3. Re:Legal requirements by PPH · · Score: 2

      major sporting events

      I'm pretty sure chasing black people around with hound dogs qualifies as a major sporting event down south.

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  7. Re:News For Nerds Please by Etherwalk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What relevance does this story have with respect to nerd news? The answer: none. Where were your other Ferguson stories??

    Timothy, this is not your personal blog. Post this on your own soapbox.

    This is outrageous political trolling and you should be ashamed and fired.

    Nerds and geeks and general information-types are all about the free exchange of ideas. Censorship is anti-nerd.

  8. Re:News For Nerds Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, what they did was disingenuous and immoral but not illegal - they really didn't want the eyes of the world judging them if they had to pull out the beanbag rounds and teargas (i.e. Everything is legal if no-one catches you doing it).

    They're behaving like children when caught stealing candy or going out joyriding. They don't understand that what they're doing is wrong and they don't respond with remorse. They basically respond by trying to cover up what they're doing. Point at someone else. Choose a different time next time. Just do anything so as not to get caught. The one thing that was overlooked completely is that "maybe they shouldn't be doing that".

    It's basically an upscaled version of what Right To Be Forgotten is doing, or how companies threaten lawsuits if negative reviews and bad press aren't removed from public view. None of this addresses the problem, it just makes it harder to find the truth.

  9. Screw those hicks by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    flight restrictions requested in August by the police force of Ferguson, MO

    Since when is a suburb allowed to declare "no-fly" zones.

    Not only have we militarized local police, but it looks like we've now given them the power generally reserved for the State Department and Justice Department.

    If we had an Attorney General who was worth a damn, there would be a bunch of Ferguson officials and police facing charges and civil rights suits right now. Instead, we've had an AG who was only concerned with making sure that no Wall Street banking criminal got his hair mussed.

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    1. Re:Screw those hicks by Mr.+Shotgun · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's not quite the army, but I feel a Posse Comitatus kinda thing goin' on.

      After seeing some photos from Fergeson and other police response scenes I am hard pressed to tell the difference between the police and the military. And this is coming from someone who served in the US Army for 6 years as a combat arms MOS (M1A2 crewman to be exact). The only difference seems to be that the military has a much more stringent rules of engagement.

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    2. Re:Screw those hicks by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      After seeing some photos from Fergeson and other police response scenes I am hard pressed to tell the difference between the police and the military.

      The police have poorer trigger and muzzle discipline, and less training overall. That's the difference. They're less qualified to carry around all the shiny shiny.

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    3. Re:Screw those hicks by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

      It's not quite the army, but I feel a Posse Comitatus kinda thing goin' on.

      After seeing some photos from Fergeson and other police response scenes I am hard pressed to tell the difference between the police and the military. And this is coming from someone who served in the US Army for 6 years as a combat arms MOS (M1A2 crewman to be exact). The only difference seems to be that the military has a much more stringent rules of engagement.

      Police wear black, military wears camo. That's about it as far as I can tell.

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  10. Re:News For Nerds Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wouldn't call it news for nerds or stuff that matters. Many cities already ban news flights over them and have done so for years. The reasoning seems to be with police flights and reletive dangers of closeness when they respond to incidents.

    No they don't. You are wrong. Cities don't have the authority to ban flights, only the FAA does. I'm a commercial pilot, airplane owner and a flight instructor, so I know what I'm talking about.

  11. Re:News For Nerds Please by sabri · · Score: 5, Informative

    Many cities already ban news flights over them and have done so for years

    I call total bullshit on this.

    First of all, cities are unable to ban anything, it is the FAA that sets up no-fly zones. Second, if there are no-fly zones, they would be documented as restricted areas on sectional charts. You show me any sectional FAA approved chart that specifically forbids news flights, and I shall eat the dust from underneath your shoes.

    Even NYC has most of its airspace as open (class B and C). As long as flights maintain the proper altitude (usually at least 1000ft AGL), everyone holding a private pilot's certificate can fly there.

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  12. Obvious by Livius · · Score: 2

    Of course it was about the media. Photographs without on-the-ground context, for example, could spark further public demonstrations and there could be safety concerns.

    That's not a good trade-off between public safety and freedom of the press, but the reasoning wasn't really a secret.

  13. Re:News For Nerds Please by ganjadude · · Score: 2

    really??? now we think republicans are telling cops to execute black kids??? wtf is wrong with you?

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