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Amazon Releases (Not Many) Details On Its Workforce Demographics

theodp (442580) writes Late to the table on disclosing workforce demographics, Amazon posted a diversity report to its website on Halloween, revealing that its global work force is 63% male and 37% female, while in the U.S., its work force is 60% white, 15% black, 13% Asian and 9% Hispanic. More lacking in granular detail than the less-than-transparent diversity data provided by its tech peers, Rainbow PUSH said Amazon's numbers were not as good as they appeared, and criticized the company for a lack of candor. "Their general work force data released by Amazon seems intentionally deceptive, as the company did not include the race or gender breakout of their technical work force," PUSH said in a statement. "The broad assumption is that a high percentage of their black and Latino employees work in their warehouses." Following the lead of other tech companies, Diversity at Amazon suggests the e-tailer's undisclosed-but-presumed lack of tech diversity could be blamed on "female students and students of color [who] are opting out of technology and engineering" as early as middle school and high school. Taking a page from Google's playbook, Amazon pointed to its involvement with the Anita Borg Institute, Code.org, Girls Who Code, and the National Center for Women & Information Technology as ways the company's addressing tech diversity deficiencies.

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  1. Rainbow PUSH said ... by fche · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That organization has embodied weaponized identity politics to such an extent that an article quoting them non-ironically deserves dismissal.

    1. Re:Rainbow PUSH said ... by HornWumpus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Never even address a false premise. It is not an companies responsibility to address the failures of particular minority communities to embrace technology education.

      Rainbow/push just wants a payoff to go away and leave Amazon alone (see also Toyota and a buttload of other companies). Listening to them just empowers a bunch of extortionists and shows minority youth wrong ways/attitudes regarding success. Why study calculus when public relations/political science is so much more lucrative.

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    2. Re:Rainbow PUSH said ... by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Any company looking to please an organization like that is wasting their time. They're basically just an extortion racket.

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    3. Re:Rainbow PUSH said ... by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That organization has embodied weaponized identity politics to such an extent that an article quoting them non-ironically deserves dismissal.

      http://articles.philly.com/200...

      read that...
      Most civil rights leaders are good people. But Jessi Jackson and Al Sharpton are crooks. Sharpton should literally be in prison. Those 2 have done more to harm the black community than any other modern political leader.

    4. Re:Rainbow PUSH said ... by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, it's much easier to dismiss an article based on history than to engage with the actual arguments and numbers that are presented. /s

      If the mob showed up at your door and asked to see the bookkeeping for your business and then asked "Why not? What do you have to hide?" I think that the history of the mobs behavior towards other businesses would be quite relevant. And that's exactly what's happening here.

    5. Re:Rainbow PUSH said ... by Jaime2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It is not an companies responsibility to address the failures of particular minority communities to embrace technology education.

      Actually, it is. Affirmative Action doesn't require a company to hire anyone, but it does require companies to identify that minorities are underrepresented in employment applications and take measures to encourage more applications from underrepresented minorities.

    6. Re:Rainbow PUSH said ... by tranquilidad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Required by whom? Under-represented how?

      Do you measure representation based on the numbers of that minority in the community? If so, which community: city, county, state, nation, world? Or, do you measure representation based on the number of individuals that have entered the field?

      What measures do they take? If someone whose skin is black or brown is under-represented do you pay those candidates more because of the color of their skin? If Asians are over-represented do you pay them less to discourage their entry in the industry and get their numbers "back in line?"

      What makes race? If someone is born of multi-racial parents which race counts?

      The problem with demands such as these is they don't seek to solve any supposed problem other than enriching their own pockets through consultation fees. If you are measuring workplace diversity based on the skin color you observe when you look at your fellow work mates then you are, ultimately, practicing a form of racism yourself.

      Every proposed solution to this manufactured problem is in and of itself racist.

      Rainbow PUSH doesn't want to believe in, and it's in their best interest to discourage, individual accomplishment and responsibility. If they fail to divide along skin color then they fail to enrich themselves through extortion. If we allow their division to continue then we continue to promote the very mechanisms that create inequality.

    7. Re:Rainbow PUSH said ... by jzilla · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd think that the black community could make their own choices on who their leaders are and don't don't need white folk telling them which of their leaders are effective. Especially when it's the lazy white press who keeps more effective (albeit less visually stimulating) leaders in the shadows.

      Neither Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton have ever been elected or othrewise "choosen" by the black community. It is hard not to despise people who make their fortune on the backs of the people they claim to represent, like these two have.

    8. Re:Rainbow PUSH said ... by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I am part of the black community. My sons black, I'm white. I go to "The Black American PTA meetings" as well as all of the black heritage festivals/meetings/conferences (and let me tell you, there are a LOT of them) even blended family clinics, and all that sort of stuff. The lack of black leaders and trying to get the community to stop idealizing sports stars is usually at the top of their agenda. Barrack Obama getting elected was probably the most important thing to ever happen to the black community in this country. My son has literally asked me to paint him white before. That's a hard thing for a father to take. My kids a handsome guy, and when he gets older the ladies will really dig him. But when he looks up to adults, who out there is successful and brown? Now I can point to the most powerful man in the free world and his skins the same shade.

      As far as racism goes... yes. It's a big problem. Having a black son makes it abundantly clear. In the white community there's a lot of stupidity. "Why didn't you just get a kid from Murica!" and stuff like that. The only overt racism I've run into as been from the black community. But it was very few and far between and I only had one incident where the person flat out said I shouldn't be allowed to have that child, etc... But I chose to take that as concern for my son and took it in a positive light. They were hating on me and not my kid. I can deal with that.

      Things might change when he's older. He's only 6 now. But he will have to get warned about the police. Now that I'm more concerned with the problem I see directly what the police do. The other day I went to the mall and the highschool let out for lunch so kids were walking through the parking lot to get to the food court. Cops rolled up on the 2 clicks of black males. None of the white kids were bothered. I started walking over to the squad car and then thought better of it.

  2. Diversity bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What is the diversity deficiency really mean? Asians are overrepresented as a share of the general population, there seems to be underrepresention in whites. Why do Asians not count for the purposes of this diversity calculation?

    Let's be honest and admit you really want more blacks admitted at the expense of other groups. That's what the diversity these race baiters really want.

    1. Re:Diversity bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Diversity" groups don't like to talk about Asians because they disprove the myth than a once-oppressed race in the U.S. can never overcome their oppression through hard work and education. They're embarrassed that Asians don't just sit around on their asses blaming white people for all their problems.

    2. Re:Diversity bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Interment camps, not concentration camps. Also, interment wasn't done from a desire to oppress the Japanese, but out of fear of the Japanese Empire. So it's not so much that the Americans felt the Japanese inferior, but rather that they feared a full scale invasion of the west coast by the Japanese Empire.

      Not defending it, but it's still important to understand these things in context.

      What's in a name? Here's George Takei (Sulu) who actually was in one of these camps: http://www.ted.com/talks/george_takei_why_i_love_a_country_that_once_betrayed_me

      That is the MOST positive light in which I've ever seen these portrayed and they still sound damned horrifying to me.

      As an aside, Asians have long been discriminated against, you can read journals of people in the old west who fucking hated them. California considered and sometimes passed really discriminatory measures against them. Anyone who doesn't know this is woefully ignorant of history, my freaking 7th grade kid knows this.

  3. Re:Fill the Gap by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why are Women and Minorities (not including Male Asians) being permitted to opt out of technology education?

    This! Skin pigment and chromosonal quota perfection in every walk of life is so much more important than any other thing that might make someone choose something else to do that we should force people to study things in which they're not interested. Because that way, we can be sure that they'll be passionate about hating it even more, so that when they apply for that quota-mandated position, we know they'll be miserable SOBs to work with, and productivity will be sure to suffer, for which we'll be sure to blame Evil Corporations.

    Jesse Jackson is a hypocritical, lying fool. His agenda (which is to extort money from public and private institutions so that he and his entourage can spend their time well compensated for doing nothing but whining) is utterly transparent. But it plugs right into the Nanny State world view, which requires professional quota referees for every last thing, including the size of your drink cup and the precise tone of the skin of the programmer in the cube next to you.

    Jackson is complaining that Amazon's stats aren't precise enough, but I notice he's not calling for stats about the measured skills and academic records of the couldn't-get-hired-there folks he thinks should be qualified strictly on cosmetic grounds. If he thinks that the members of a particular racial group aren't landing enough jobs at Amazon, he should be turning to that group and lecturing them about developing the critical thinking, communication, technical, entrepreneurial, scientific, and related skills that make someone a shoe-in for such jobs. ALL of that starts at home, and is pretty well viable or terminally broken by the time a kid is half way through elementary school. And THAT is all about the culture out of which that kid emerges. About which Jackson should be doing some serious introspection, if he could stand to look at himself in the mirror. He not only deliberately confuses race with culture, but he deliberately confuses cause and effect - all so that he can thunder on about it, threaten boycotts, and receive grant money from his extortion victims. This is just another round of his racketeering outfit doing what it does.

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  4. Re:Genital tech? Some new language or something? by Shados · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Generally the idea is that a broader diversity of backgrounds allows more ideas to pop up, which can mean better software.

    In practice, its tricky, because the argument mixes "Both genders are equal! They can do anything the other can!" while at the same time going "One gender can give a different perspective on things because they think differently and approach problems differently!".

    A more practical example could be: part of your customer base is female. Having more women on staff could help you get the appropriate perspective to better target them.

    The issue with that is: A) companies that have UX departments already have a lot of women in it. B) if the ideas to better target women come from guts feeling and sentences that start with "I think this is better!" instead of analytics data, you're going to make the wrong decision anyway, because the people in the IT department, regardless of gender, will have a different background and a skewed perception relative to the customers, so it won't really help.

    My significant other who works at Amazon (a woman software engineer, woo!) had that issue recently. The UX people design a mockup, based on statistics, history, what competitors do, what has been A/B tested, etc. During implementation on the engineering side, one of the PMs (a woman, working with said significant other) goes "No this sucks! Its not intuitive! In Excel things work like this! Lets change everything!", with no backing arguments beyond "she doesn't like it". Then when people explain all the process that lead to that UI, of course: "I'm a woman, i have a different perspective and you refuse to acknowledge it!!".

    Which was hilarious said she said that to another woman...