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China Plans To Build a Domestic Robotics Industry
jfruh writes China is known as a manufacturing export powerhouse, but it imports much of one particularly important kind of manufacturing tool: robots. Now the country's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology is developing a "robotics technology roadmap," with a goal of owning over 45 percent of the high-end robotics market by 2020.
Should read "China Plans to Steal a Domestic Robotics Industry".
Stealing (e.g. learning / copying what others did, legally or not) is a great way to develop industry from scratch.
Note that many things they do go far beyond stealing. E.g.:
1) Moon probe returning back to earth
2) High speed trains (this one started with importing technology from all countries with major know how)
3) Longest bridge in the world
4) Biggest dam in the world
My point is, the steal at times, but they are not limited to it.
Finally, employees that won't jump out of windows to escape their pointless existence, won't make unreasonable demands like a "living wage," "food," "shelter," "clean water," and so on. Plug em in, oil em up, and set them to work... nothing but profit! And once we've replaced all the jobless consumers with robots, well, then we'll see some REAL economic growth!
But they will have to contend with the market leader, U.S. Robotics
You mean like household robots, or robots that serve some family function...or...oh.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
I’m on the fence about this one. It reminds me of Japan’s big fifth generation computer project in the 80’s – and which was widely considered a failure. China has had many great accomplishments this last two decades, they are a force to be reckoned with, but many of their gains have come through brute force methods of applying ample labor to problems, not true subtlety or production efficiencies.
That said, the Chinese admire those who excel academically and are hungry for a prosperous modern future. I have actually been to China 5 times in the last eight years and the major cities are modern marvels to behold.
But what has worked well in the past, the ruling party deciding spending priorities, may not work so well in the future. China’s bureaucrats are very controlling. They have worked hard the last twenty years to drag China into the modern world, enriching their citizens and themselves alike, but now that a substantial portion of the population is educated and middle class they have become more restless and demanding of accountability on the part of the government.
This desire for control may also not work so well in an industry that needs the freedom to make mistakes and learn from them. You can command the building of streets and bridges and skyscrapers, commanding new discoveries be made and made in such a way that are not a threat to the state and can be controlled by the state – that may be another thing.
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And the upcoming robotic, soon to be world dominating geniuses at http://grillbots.com/
If they haven't stolen it already and then use their brute force and political power to chase other vendors out of their own market.
They don't need to steal any information.
All they need to know is openly available in the form of research papers
on IEEE, ACM, etc.
On existing robotics manufacturers.
You can also expect to see the usual regard for intellectual property China is known for in it's courts.
It may be comforting to think China merely stole everything to become manufacturing heavyweights – it may even be true to a degree, but going forward they are becoming increasingly self reliant. They will at some point surpass us in many areas, or perhaps already have. Did I mention the admiration of academic achievement within their culture? Do you think only us good ol’ Americans have a lock on creativity and knowledge? They aren’t just building infrastructure, they are building know-how. When the Communist party wants something done they are not sidetracked by petty partisan bickering. Yes I outlined some weaknesses of theirs, but that is not to say they might not overcome or evolve past them.
We are the ones that need to start working towards the future harder. Get past the Common-Core complaints -- some are merited, some are not – and get on with it and apply what works in education. An educated workforce will be the only way for us to compete with them (or anyone else) in the future, and they have a 4-5x advantage numbers wise to cull the best from.
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Name's already taken - but I suspect the operating principal could be very similar . . .
Haven't you guys seen all the latest Chinese 3D printers? They already have a domestic robotics industry and it's self-replicating!
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If manufacturing robots put almost a billion workers out of a job, the Chinese gov't is going to have a giant riot on their hands. The "Occupy Wall-street" movement in the US may have been indirectly the result of automation taking jobs (and offshoring).
The government there may not have enough experience to deal with protests in a way that doesn't make them worse, as their relationship with Hong Kong has shown. And HK residents are economically well-off. People take even more risk if they have no existing job to lose. Jail is not much of a deterrent to somebody starving to death. At least you have a reasonable chance of a meal and roof in jail.
The future regarding automation versus jobs is going to get interesting, both here and China.
Table-ized A.I.
rule of law = rule of lawyers
If one were to look at China, one would see similiar groups, but of an asian orientation. Those are the folks that do the cleaning, also. What do you think is going to happen in China when about a billion workers don't have a job in the "Workers Paradise?" What does anyone generally do when there is no work?
According to Manuel De Landa: http://www.t0.or.at/delanda/me...
"Indeed, one must resist the temptation to make hierarchies into villains and meshworks into heroes, not only because, as I said, they are constantly turning into one another, but because in real life we find only mixtures and hybrids, and the properties of these cannot be established through theory alone but demand concrete experimentation. Certain standardizations, say, of electric outlet designs or of data-structures traveling through the Internet, may actually turn out to promote heterogenization at another level, in terms of the appliances that may be designed around the standard outlet, or of the services that a common data-structure may make possible. On the other hand, the mere presence of increased heterogeneity is no guarantee that a better state for society has been achieved. After all, the territory occupied by former Yugoslavia is more heterogeneous now than it was ten years ago, but the lack of uniformity at one level simply hides an increase of homogeneity at the level of the warring ethnic communities. But even if we managed to promote not only heterogeneity, but diversity articulated into a meshwork, that still would not be a perfect solution. After all, meshworks grow by drift and they may drift to places where we do not want to go. The goal-directedness of hierarchies is the kind of property that we may desire to keep at least for certain institutions. Hence, demonizing centralization and glorifying decentralization as the solution to all our problems would be wrong. An open and experimental attitude towards the question of different hybrids and mixtures is what the complexity of reality itself seems to call for. "
So, for example, if some centrally planned bureaucracy (say the USA in the 1930s) decides to have a nation-wide arts program, then you might see a lot of creativity there.
http://americanart.si.edu/exhi...
"In 1934, Americans grappled with an economic situation that feels all too familiar today. Against the backdrop of the Great Depression, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt's administration created the Public Works of Art Project--the first federal government program to support the arts nationally. Federal officials in the 1930s understood how essential art was to sustaining America's spirit. Artists from across the United States who participated in the program, which lasted only six months from mid-December 1933 to June 1934, were encouraged to depict "the American Scene." The Public Works of Art Project not only paid artists to embellish public buildings, but also provided them with a sense of pride in serving their country. They painted regional, recognizable subjects--ranging from portraits to cityscapes and images of city life to landscapes and depictions of rural life--that reminded the public of quintessential American values such as hard work, community and optimism."
Or about photography:
http://www.livinghistoryfarm.o...
Or other ways:
http://newdeal.feri.org/nchs/l...
"Activity in the arts was one aspect of the Works Progress Administration (WPA). Established in April 1935 and directed by Harry Hopkins, its purpose was to provide socially useful work for the unemployed. WPA programs included the construction of public buildings such as schools, hospitals and courthouses; highways; recreational facilities such as athletic fields and parks and playgrounds; and conservation facilities such as fish hatcheries and bird sanctuaries. In addition four WPA arts projects ("Federal One") were established. "Federal One" not only provided work for artists, writers, musicians, and actors but nurtured young men and women who were embarking on a career in the arts during the Great Depression. Writers and artists such as Ralph Ellison and J
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
welfare parasites? in china foxcon and others pay so low that the workers pay no income tax.
Hopefully the coming home appliances talk something else than pure AT. Screaming to a misbehaving vacuum cleaner is already too painful to listen as it is.
...China has stolen everything that they have ever done that is worth a shit from everyone that did it before them. The only thing they are good at is hacking other peoples information systems so they can steal what they can't come up with on their own.
It’s hard to know how to parse this. I don’t say China surpassing us is inevitable, but complacency could make it so. Are you saying American or Western cultural hegemony are unassailable?
Despite China’s pollution problems (or because of them) they are investing a much larger portion of their GDP to solving them than we are. Who knows if they will succeed. I certainly don’t.
If I where a Chinese I don’t think I would appreciate being told I’d better stay at a standard of living less (much less) than an American for the good of the world (or especially Americans).
What are your proposals to keep them down?
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The only question is, if they suceed, what are they going to do with all of those people they don't need any more? It's certainly not a question we're answering very gracefully here in the west. Maybe they'll do better in doing so than we are.
But I doubt it.
That is all.
Knowing China's appalling record on human rights they will probably cut corners and simply use existing human brains in an android body, inadvertently creating the cyberman army from Doctor Who.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
First China comes out with a plan to boost their higher education & research, then their solar power industry, space program, and now robotics. Meanwhile, OUR government's plans seem to mainly consist of which country to invade next (which wouldn't be so bad if we actually got the cheap oil the voters were implicitly promised) while protecting and bailing out incompetent and/or obsolete industries.