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Ask Slashdot: Minimizing Oil and Gas Dependency In a Central European City?

An anonymous reader writes I live in a big city in central Europe. As most of you know from recent news, most of Europe's (and quite a bit of China's) gas supply comes from Russia and is very likely to be cut off several times during the next few winters (China's time will come in later years). What many might not know is that not just our natural gas supply, but also our petrol ('gas' for the Americans in the audience) often comes partly from Russia and some of our electricity comes from gas powered stations. Most of our leaders, at least in Germany and Hungary, are in bed with the Russians and likely won't do anything about fuel security. I live in an building with a south-facing roof and I own the roof space but I don't have enough land here to put a wind turbine or something similar on. Can anyone make good suggestions for ways to cut down my dependence on unreliable power supplies? Extra points for environmentalism, but I am even willing to pay more to be sure the heating is there in winter and my server keeps running.

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  1. audience by fisted · · Score: 2

    for the Americans in the audience

    Okay, AC confirmed it. We're an audience after all.
    Shit.

    1. Re:audience by ihtoit · · Score: 1, Informative

      He didn't and here's why:

      sizeof is an operator, not a function, because the ANSI C standard says so.

      As consequences:

      The operand of sizeof can be a bare cast, sizeof (int), instead of an object expression.
      The parentheses are unnecessary: int a; printf("%d\n", sizeof a); is perfectly fine. They're often seen, firstly because they're needed as part of a type cast expression, and secondly because sizeof has very high precedence, so sizeof a + b isn't the same as sizeof (a+b). But they aren't part of the invocation of sizeof, they're part of the operand.
      You can't take the address of sizeof.
      The expression which is the operand of sizeof is not evaluated at runtime (sizeof a++ does not modify a).
      The expression which is the operand of sizeof can have any type except void, or function types. Indeed, that's kind of the point of sizeof.
      A function would differ on all those points. There are probably other differences between a function and a unary operator, but I think that's enough to show why sizeof could not be a function even if there was a reason to want it to be.

      (credit: Steve Jessop at StackOverflow).

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    2. Re:audience by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      He was citing Torvalds, who did indeed make such a claim.

    3. Re:audience by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      I'm hesitant to call that a citation. Torvalds wasn't being retarded, as that context-less citation makes him sound. That's more like a political sound-bite

    4. Re:audience by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      no he wasn't, Jessop made that comment I quoted back in 2009.

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    5. Re:audience by Lotana · · Score: 1

      Because Slashdot wants to encourage its users to log in.

      Why? Because (Among other things) it makes having actual conversation easier, when you are confident that you are talking to the same person and not constantly changing anonymous person.

    6. Re:audience by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      What does this have to do with some guy at StackOverflow? Here's what the sig says:

      ``But "sizeof()" really *is* a function.'' -- Linus Torvalds

    7. Re:audience by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      register here for ideas, slashdot seems a strange place to ask the question about fossil fuel dependency http://cleantechnica.com/

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    8. Re:audience by tepples · · Score: 1

      Probably because Slashdot doesn't want to boost search engine rankings of web pages cited in signatures.

    9. Re:audience by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Dude, seriously, Google ... https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/7/1...

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  2. The number one thing by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Get involved on the government.
    As far as solar goes, pointing the panels WEST means more energy is generated during peak hours; which is more beneficial over all the trapping the maximum light. Winding up power plants to peak use a tremendous amount of power.

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    1. Re:The number one thing by quenda · · Score: 3, Informative

      As far as solar goes,

      OP is asking about Central Europe during winter. Solar is not an option - certainly not for backup.
      Wind turbines are not economical on a small scale, and not reliable enough as a backup.

      Backup power and heating is a common problem with well-know solutions:
      generator, oil or LPG heater with stored fuel, improved insulation.
      Heat needs may be reduced temporarily by covering windows, closing off unused rooms, taping gaps, lowering thermostat.

      The government really should be building nuclear plants, and gas ones that can switch to pulverised coal or oil if needed, with large stockpiles near the site.

    2. Re:The number one thing by knightghost · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Switching back and forth daily to different energy sources more than doubles the capital outlay. Bloody waste of resources.

      Natural Gas, Coal, or Nuclear - nothing else has matured enough, and won't for decades.

    3. Re:The number one thing by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      OP is asking about Central Europe during winter. Solar is not an option - certainly not for backup.
      Wind turbines are not economical on a small scale, and not reliable enough as a backup.

      That's okay, since the Slashdot TOS agreement requires us to recommend nuclear power above all others.

      So to the OP: start working on a fission reactor in your basement. Once you have it running, it will be very cheap and reliable.

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    4. Re:The number one thing by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Can anyone make good suggestions for ways to cut down my dependence on unreliable power supplies?

      Get your power from the electrical grid. Buy a surge protector. Buy a reliable uninterruptible power supply. If you're really paranoid, get an electric generator and keep a stockpile of fuel. If you expect country-wide long-term blackouts, move to a different country.

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    5. Re:The number one thing by rolfwind · · Score: 3, Informative

      Highly disagree, OP sounds like a ripe candidate for solar water, not to be confused with photovoltaics. Solar thermal is highly efficient and pretty cheap in comparison.

      A modest setup would need only three hours a day sun just to supply hot water for daily use, and a bigger setup or more time for supplying hot water for heat (radiant heat using water is extremely common there).

      He's asking for heat and not electricity per se, solar water is ideal for that and many times cheaper than PV for the same results.

    6. Re:The number one thing by bigtreeman · · Score: 1

      got your own solar water heater ??
      No they're not very good for the area a standard solar water heater uses
      and they often need a gas or electric boost to make the shower nice and toasty.
      We're in Brisbane with an abundance of sunshine, still need boost.
      Hang on are you talking solar thermal power storage, the molten salt stuff, don't think so, they're industrial sized.
      I've looked at water distillation/purification and it takes a reasonable area to give a good quantity of water.
      http://www.fcubed.com.au/
      We've got some solar voltaics but you need a large array to make a decent amount of power,
      no way is it free energy.

      Go for the wind power, get some batteries, check out Edison batteries, NiFe, made in China, run some of your devices with DC - lighting, computer(s), audio, etc, collect farts to run a generator.

      The best way to heat is good thermal building design, insulation and thermal mass collecting solar energy.
      Sell up and move down under or just suck it up.

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    7. Re:The number one thing by Saint+Fnordius · · Score: 1

      One midterm solution that Munich helped pioneer is to have central heating on a large scale. The city's power plant got rid of its cooling pools, and instead pipes the water heated by generating electricity into homes. The city has bee pretty successful in expanding the network so much that the electricity plants have slowly moved from heat being the by-product to electricity being the by-product to the demand for hot water and warm radiators now a driving force. Oh, and it is popular in the city also because it cut down on soot so much.

      But that is more of a centralised solution. In your case, the two things you might look into are personal electrical turbines (yes, they are coming on to the market) as well as a modern wood oven. The thing about wood ovens is they are less efficient as wood just isn't that efficient a fuel, but the psychological effect of a wood fire is that it just feels warmer.

      The suggestions others make about a water-based solar heating system is also worth noting, as they are really cheap to make yourself. The main issue here is planning, as the water reservoir that you are heating needs space, the pipes have to be laid (though you might be able to use your current radiator network), but it is a good way to at least augment your solution.

    8. Re:The number one thing by AGMW · · Score: 1
      You can get central heating boilers (I've certainly seen gas fired ones in the UK) that are actually mini-generators, the heat almost being a bi-product of the electricity generation. More pricey than the normal boilers but an interesting technology.

      If you can setup your roof solar panels (be they solar thermal or solar PV) to follow the sun that should increase efficiency, but it might be marginal. I've also seen a lens system fitted over a solar panel that concentrates the solar radiation.

      Next is to try and cut down on your power usage ... LED lights have come on in leaps and bounds over the last five years and greatly reduce your power consumption, though they are not cheap to buy. The upside is that they are supposed to last a LOT longer.

      Air-to-Air heat exchangers might be an option too, and certainly using heat exchangers to try and not flush your heat out might be worth a look.
      EG when you have a shower the water that goes down the plughole is only a handful of degrees cooler than when it came out the shower head. Could you use a heat exchanger to take heat from the 'waste' water and pre-heat water going into your hot water cylinder?
      EG If you run a clothes dryer, are you venting the air directly? Could you run that through a heat exchanger to pre-heat fresh air coming in?

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    9. Re:The number one thing by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      just buy nuclear energy from france then.

      if by central europe he means swizerland or germany, then fuck it, just let the state handle it...

      it's pretty damn unlikely that they don't find petrol for sale and germany can just burn it's own coal for heat and electricity.

      or he could spend enermous amounts of money for setting up a steam boiler and generator or an aggregator that can use woodgas - which is fine if he happens to have unlimited amount of firewood to burn but environmentally pointless and likely to cost much more - so this solution only applies to few.

      because really, if your scenario would be running out of petrol or gas then what the friggin point is in the long term backup being gas + petrol? seriously. fortunately it's extremely unlikely his state cannot provide both, on the expense that due to increased taxing he will have to eat one big mac meal less in a week.

      unless he is in Romania I suppose.

      short term it's like this: your state would just burn more coal.

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    10. Re:The number one thing by holmstar · · Score: 1

      Pure water isn't run through the collector. They use a mix of water and glycol. It's also common to allow the fluid to empty out of the collector at night, to reduce heat loss.

    11. Re:The number one thing by tepples · · Score: 1

      So how should the majority of people go about arranging their lives to match the situation of the OP, where they can afford to own a "building with a south-facing roof"?

    12. Re:The number one thing by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

      Last time I bought batteries for UPS I spent about 8000 roubles (About $200 that time) 85Ah 24V (2kWh). And it was a discounted price! The SLA batteries last about 1000 cycles. It means that storage of every kWh costs about 4 roubles (10 cents that time). Grid power costs here 0.84 roubles - about 2 cents per kWh, 5 times less, but it's quite unique place of Russia. More typical price in Russia is about 3 roubles per kWh ($0.75).

      Other battery technologies available are even more pricey.

      What does it mean? If you have gratis solar panels your electric bill will still be higher than grid due to storage costs.

      The article you quote states that the batteries are used for stabilization of network frequency. It's absolutely different mode requiring no regular full charge and discharge.

      There ARE some new technologies for cheap energy storage, including NaS, Vanadium and Uranium flow batteries etc, but the ordinary European consumer cannot buy them.

    13. Re:The number one thing by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

      This brings me to that "extra insulation". Don't seal of your house or you will soon have mold problems.

      1. Correctly installed heat insulation should contain a vapor insulation on warm side.
      2. If you burn anything your stove sucks in enough cold air from outside to make an overventilation with cold air running from every hole, every door, every wall plug defeating all your heat insulation. 50 cubical meters of air are necessary to burn every 10 kg of firewood and they will be necessarily sucked in. You should supply it with cold air directly from outside to prevent it.

    14. Re:The number one thing by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Heating oil fed, circulating hot air systems are available. I live in a house with such a system.

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    15. Re:The number one thing by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      That would depend on whether your peak hours are the same as other peoples (not guaranteed). And the efficiency of solar cells is unlikely to be constant across different temperatures, so you'd need to check their specifications on whether they're more efficient in the cool of the morning, or the (relative) warmth of the afternoon. Even if that relative warmth is still in negative figures.

      AIU the original question, a significant part of the power drain from the PV was expected to be for powering the server (regardless of whether the internet connection stayed up in a blackout).

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  3. drill for oil and frack your land by alen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    that's what the USA does. most of our oil is from right here and canada

    1. Re:drill for oil and frack your land by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Europe doesn't have much locally drillable oil resources, as for fracking, it's a sensitive subject which splits population right in half.

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    2. Re:drill for oil and frack your land by PapayaSF · · Score: 1

      that's what the USA does. most of our oil is from right here and canada

      In the USA, landowners generally own the subsurface mineral rights to their land, but in Europe, often it's the government that owns those rights. This makes it easier to stop oil or gas projects than to start them.

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    3. Re:drill for oil and frack your land by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      In europe we 'frack' since roughly 1950 ... no one cares.
      I doubt however there is much left to frack.

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    4. Re:drill for oil and frack your land by khallow · · Score: 1

      In europe we 'frack' since roughly 1950 ... no one cares.
      I doubt however there is much left to frack.

      Depends what is there. The current approach though is new and was first put in use some point in the 90s with wide scale use in the US some point after 2000. So it doesn't matter what fracking methods were used in the 50s.

      I have heard that there are fields in Europe which can be exploited with the new methods.

    5. Re:drill for oil and frack your land by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      that's what the USA does. most of our oil is from right here and canada

      References?

      I have trouble believing that 'most' of the oil and byproducts thereof consumed in the US is domestically (including CA if you want) sourced.

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    6. Re:drill for oil and frack your land by EdwardFurlong · · Score: 1

      http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/...
      Net imports accounted for 40% of the petroleum consumed in the United States, the lowest annual average since 1991.
      The top five source countries of U.S. petroleum imports in 2012 were Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, and Russia.

    7. Re:drill for oil and frack your land by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pe...

      here is a breakdown by country. for example all of opec countries give us 3.700 TBPD canada alone gives us 3.100 TBPD (there is no US so im unaware of our own internal production that we keep vs exporting)

      All imports are 9.700 TBPD and 2/3rds of that is non opec (makes you wonder why open dictates the price of oil here as much as it does)

      TBPD = thousand barrels per day

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    8. Re:drill for oil and frack your land by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      it's a sensitive subject which splits population right in half.

      More like a 80:20% split in my experience. Those who understand the technology (mostly by working in the oil drilling industry, or knowing people who work in the industry and caring to ask detailed questions) make up the 20% who are unconcerned by the question. The 80% who get their news from "Gas Land" and Greenpeace, are convinced that fracking will kill them and rape their dog.

      In areas where there are fewer drilling specialists, then it's likely to be more like 90:10 or even higher. Which means that we've got a major re-education campaign to perform.

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    9. Re:drill for oil and frack your land by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      I have heard that there are fields in Europe which can be exploited with the new methods.

      Absolutely there are. But more importantly, nobody, but nobody, absolutely nobody would go around fracking an existing field if they didn't need to. Spending several million dollars per well on a treatment that isn't necessary is called "wasting the investor's money" and is not efficient business.

      On the other hand, there are undeveloped fields and prospects which may not be economically exploitable without fracking. I'm working on proposals for one such myself (if you want details, invest ; I'll pass you the lawyer's contact information because I don't deal with that end of the company operations myself.) However, even in that case, one designs the well on the basis of optimising the likelihood of economic production without fracking, and you only frack if your well test indicates that you need to.

      The current approach though is new and was first put in use some point in the 90s with wide scale use in the US some point after 2000.

      The current system which is changing the economics of shale gas (and shale oil) production is a combination of horizontal drilling (which was developed, slowly, through the late 1980s and early 1990s, but by the mid-1990s it was becoming routine. An important component of that was the development of a variety of "rotary steerable systems" which allowed changes in configuration of the bottom hole assembly without having to round trip the drill string. With that, the constraint on controlling the direction of a well was mainly lifted, and steering a well to (and beyond) the horizontal became economically feasible. By 1996 I was seeing wells inclined up as far as 125 degrees form the vertical.

      ... and I've got to go out. L8R

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    10. Re:drill for oil and frack your land by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pe...

        here is a breakdown by country. for example all of opec countries give us 3.700 TBPD canada alone gives us 3.100 TBPD (there is no US so im unaware of our own internal production that we keep vs exporting)

        All imports are 9.700 TBPD and 2/3rds of that is non opec (makes you wonder why open dictates the price of oil here as much as it does)

        TBPD = thousand barrels per day

      Yep, thanks but none of which answers the question of how much of what is consumed in the US is produced in the US. If the US were a mass exporter of petroleum products you would think that you wouldn't need to import at all and would, indeed, be independent of OPEC - which is obviously not at all the case.

      Since we don't have the actual data, it seems more likely that the US does not, in fact, produce most of what it consumes based on US reliance of external oil sources.

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    11. Re:drill for oil and frack your land by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/...

      Net imports accounted for 40% of the petroleum consumed in the United States, the lowest annual average since 1991.

      The top five source countries of U.S. petroleum imports in 2012 were Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, and Russia.

      Okay I stand corrected, thanks for the info -

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  4. Solar Panels by Had_It146 · · Score: 1

    If your roof is big enough load it up with solar panels also put a water tank up there. During the day when you are at work use the power heat and to fill the tank. At night use gravity to spin an impeller to power the house from the water.

    1. Re:Solar Panels by jklovanc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I will use Germany figures as that is what I have access to. The yearly average use of electricity is 3,471Kwhrs/yr. Daily use is average 9.6KkWh. The potential energy is water follows the following formula 1000 kilograms of water (1 cubic meter) at the top of a 100 meter tower has a potential energy of about 0.272 kWh. Since the house is a lot shorter than 100m lets use 10m which means for ever cubic meter of water on the roof you get 0.0272kWh. To store half a day's energy you would need 9.6/2/.0273 = 176 cubic meters of water which weighs 176 metric tonnes. You better have a very strong roof.

    2. Re:Solar Panels by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      At night use gravity to spin an impeller to power the house from the water.

      That would be one huge water tank. Better invest in some major structural enhancements.

    3. Re:Solar Panels by vivian · · Score: 1

      The gravitational potential energy in a ton of water - a cubic meter (ie. 1000 litres) elevated 3 meters, the typical 1 storey roof height, is about 8.1 watt hours. you would need a 1200000 litre tank to store the typical household load of 20 kWh., even assuming 100% efficiency in energy conversion to electricity.

    4. Re:Solar Panels by DoomSprinkles · · Score: 1

      Is there already kits for this available? Id like to read their claimed output the gravity turbine

    5. Re:Solar Panels by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      This is just a potential energy calculation and does not take into account any loss due to the turbine.

    6. Re:Solar Panels by war4peace · · Score: 1

      My childhood house had this:
      - Rain falling on the house roof was channeled into a subterranean pool.
      - Water stored there was used to water the garden and wash out the shit from the outside loo.

      I wonder whether building a second subterranean room below the first would do the trick. The rooms should be quite large (7x7x5 meters each!) to store up to 195 cubic meters of water, but if you have a large enough courtyard you should be able to make two 10x10x2 meter rooms on top of each other, separated by a strong ceiling. You could bring the water back to the top room by using energy coming from a small wind-operated turbine.

      This is just theory, throw rocks at will.

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    7. Re:Solar Panels by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      You completely miss the issue that to store energy there must be a significant difference between the heights of the two tanks. The equation is volume times drop = potential energy. As the drop decreases the volume has to proportionally increase. If you have two identical tanks on the top of each other the difference in height is at most the height of one of the tanks. In you example a 2 meter difference in height would require a tank 5 times as large as the one I calculated. Also, even a 7m x 7m x 10m is a very big hole. Those tanks would also need to be sized up to 10m x 10m x 5m for a total of 10m x 10m x 10m, an even bigger hole.

      My calculations are even on the optimistic side as they are averages and do not deal with peak usage as in the cold winter where your heat pump will use more electricity.

    8. Re:Solar Panels by vipw · · Score: 1

      People use most of their energy during non-sunlit times during the winter in Central Europe. It's primarily heating from gas, not electricity usage. This is why they care about Russia who is the only possible gas supplier.

      The answer the the question is actually incredibly simple. Switch to electricity. It's more efficient to heat homes burning natural gas at a electricity generating plant and using heat pumps than to burn the gas directly on premise. Gas is not the only suitable fuel for electrical generation, so the monopoly can be broken by switching the power plants to coal/wind/nuclear. This is a fairly capital expensive proposition, but on-site solar heat production in the European winter is pure wishful thinking.

  5. Generator and fuel by captain_nifty · · Score: 2

    If it's 24 hour semi-reliable power you want for periodic short (up to several days) grid outages than the easiest method would probably be a small generator and a stored supply of fuel. (not the most environmental but it works)

    Some will suggest solar with your roof area, which you are obviously aware of, but if you want 24 hour power with that you will need a large battery bank which is going to cost you more and take up a large amount of space.

    As far as heating the cost effective method is to add more insulation, and if you're running servers you have a ready made electric heat source.

    1. Re:Generator and fuel by geekoid · · Score: 1

      You don't need a large batter set up. You need a way to store the energy. And chemical battery is only one way to do that.

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    2. Re:Generator and fuel by captain_nifty · · Score: 2

      Chemical batteries are also, generally the cheapest most compact method to store electricity, which is what you need to run servers, if all you want to do is store energy, hot water is a better method.

      All the other storage methods have huge losses when trying to get electricity out, requiring larger and larger storage capacity to deliver the required electricity.
      .

    3. Re:Generator and fuel by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Good advice. And add some gas powered cooking appliances & keep a few tanks on hand. Don't try to be 'environmental' during power outages or worst case conditions, instead invest to save energy the rest of the time and you're per euro impact will be much greater.

    4. Re:Generator and fuel by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      ..... its your, not you're. Mod me embarrassed.

    5. Re:Generator and fuel by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      periodic short (up to several days) grid outages

      The last time that we were getting significant power outages (as opposed to occasional glitches from lightning, people driving into power lines, ice bringing lines down ... and the system taking a couple of cycles to switch in alternative circuits from the regional/ national/ transnational grid) was during miners strikes in the 1970s. Then, the power was going out for hours at a stretch. But even then, the power available was switched between industrial users at some times, and domestic users at other times. Sometimes domestic users would get power on for a couple of hours, off for a couple of hours.

      If things get as far as 24-hour outages, then you probably can't rely on the power coming back on in the foreseeable future. For a start, much of people's domestic stocks of food will deteriorate, and you're very rapidly eating into the 3 meal gap between civilisation and barbarism.

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  6. Invest in energy efficiency... and a generator by unimacs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You said you own the roof space. Do you own the whole dwelling? Can you insulate the walls, attic, and air seal bypasses? Can you run a heat pump? It still requires electricity but not that much. If you can purchase petrol when it's available and run a generator (or photovoltaics) when it's not, that might be the ticket. Of course the more more energy efficient your home and appliances are, the easier it will be to function off the grid, - even if it's just sporadically.

    Do you really need to run your own server or can you have it hosted somewhere else?

  7. citation, please? by kraut · · Score: 5, Informative

    Most of leaders, at least in Germany and Hungary, are in bed with the Russians and likely won't do anything about fuel security.

    Don't know much about Hungary (*), but if you really think that Merkel is "in bed with the Russians" you have bigger problems than worrying about your fuel security.

    Anyway, oil dependence is essentially transport based; more specifically, private car use. So cut or reduce your dependence on that. You live in a multi-storey building of which you control only part - some kind of apartment block - so probably a fairly densely populated area. That makes it simple: If you currently drive a car to work, stop doing that. If you're really lazy, you could get a motorbike or scooter, drastically reducing your dependence; if you're not that lazy start cycling. With a bit of practice, a 20-30K commute on a bike is really not hard, and you'll save money on gym fees. That's oil dependance sorted.

    Natural gas is trickier if you don't own the building (or at least apartment). If you can, you should probably install solar panels on the roof - not for your own use, as such, but to take advantage of the feed-in tariffs. And then buy an electric convection heater so you can heat your apartment if the gas gets cut off. And maybe buy a good sleeping bag or extra duvet. That won't save you from a catastrophic meltdown - you'd need a wood burning stove, a cabin in the woods, and a seriously unhealthy dose of paranoia(**) for that, but it will make short outages of gas a lot more comfortable.

    (*) Feel free to sing this comment to the tune of Sam Cooke's "Wonderful World" :)
    (**) You seem to already have 1 of those three.

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    1. Re:citation, please? by Shakrai · · Score: 2

      With a bit of practice, a 20-30K commute on a bike is really not hard, and you'll save money on gym fees.

      Yeah, that's all well and good, except for two factors:

      1) Winter.
      2) We don't all have the luxury of coming to work smelling like someone who just took a 20-30K bike ride....

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    2. Re:citation, please? by gerddie · · Score: 1

      ...Merkel probably doesn't want to do anything that might disrupt the German economy.

      Somehow it seems you didn't follow the news. And Merkel ...

    3. Re:citation, please? by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      I'm in England where late winter climate is stupendously cold - and we have the pesky Atlantic current stopping the island from freezing solid in October. Central Europe just gets fucking cold in winter, and when I say cold, I mean it gets colder than Greenland. Even in England at this time of year I will be wanting to get somewhere desperately (as in, life and death situation) to be caught out on a bike. If I even leave the house. I don't do cold, which is inconvenient considering where I live.

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    4. Re:citation, please? by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      I think #2 is a bigger concern than #1; at least for those of us who live in areas with real summers. My office is less than two miles away but I find it exceedingly difficult to contemplate walking there during the dog days of summer. It's possible during temperate days, though even at that I feel compelled to make the walk in active wear and change into work clothes upon my arrival. Walking two miles in dress clothes is no fun even when it's cool outside. Doing so when it's >30 degrees C with >80% relative humidity is impossible unless one wishes to torment themselves and their office mates for the next eight hours. At that point it's not even really feasible to change upon arrival, and since I don't have the luxury of working for a Google that provides on-site showers.....

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    5. Re:citation, please? by budgenator · · Score: 1

      No worries mate, other than your fingers and ears, you'll stay plenty warm while pedling 20-30Km unless your in Antarctica. It's a balmy -12 degrees Celsius in THULE, GREENLAND right now and 11 degrees Celsius in MINSK, BELARUS, so I suspect you might be exagerating a smidgen.

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    6. Re:citation, please? by Nemyst · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think most Europeans think they have cold winters, but they don't really know what "winter" means. Hint: if your entire country gets paralyzed by less than 30cm of snow, you don't get bad winters. If you rarely dip below zero Celsius during daytime, you don't get bad winters.

      It always amuses me to see French exchange students arrive here. The ones with a modicum of sense will have talked with people here so they'd get good winter gear ASAP, but a few think that they're used to the cold. Then they get their first -25C in January.

    7. Re:citation, please? by westlake · · Score: 1

      If you're really lazy, you could get a motorbike or scooter, drastically reducing your dependence; if you're not that lazy start cycling. With a bit of practice, a 20-30K commute on a bike is really not hard, and you'll save money on gym fees.

      why do I get the feeling that the geek sees himself and everyone around him as forever twenty-five years old?

    8. Re:citation, please? by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      This post would be so much better if you defined where "here" is. :)

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    9. Re:citation, please? by codeButcher · · Score: 1

      Good on you for having a larger.... errrr.... more severe winter than Europe. But getting back on topic: do you cycle in those -25C for 20 or 30 km?

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    10. Re:citation, please? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      1) thanx to global warming, germany has no real winters anymore since roughly 25 years (except where it is quite high, like Blackforest or the Alps)
      2) if you cicle without sweating, which is easy, you don't smell. Actually if you shower once a while and are healthy, you don't smell even if you sweat.

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    11. Re:citation, please? by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      The only place I've been matching those conditions (though not the only place to have them, by any means) is Finland.

      I don't know how far they were going - the town I was in wasn't 20km on a side, I think - but I definitely saw people on bicycles. It was almost surreal. They're bundled up around the head so much you can barely see their eyes (mouths are just fog-emitting slits), they have thick winter gloves and boots on, and long-sleeved but light shirts and pants. Riding on thick mountain bike tires (excuse me, tyres) across snow that never goes away or even turns to ice in midwinter even if it doesn't snow for two weeks. This is a part of the world where they don't even bother icing the roads because it's so cold that icewater still freezes, and the only traction benefit you'd get from ice would be from its solid crystalline form (for which gravel works better). It did occasionally get above -25C at midday, not that the day as a whole was more than about five-six hours long (which doesn't leave a lot of time for biking). This was in January.

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    12. Re:citation, please? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Cycling is most often easier than walking, in the cold. And it's door to door.
      With a car, you're walking to the car in the cold, then at arrival you step out of a heated car into the cold and walk the remaining length to the actual destination.
      I'm imagining a crowded city and no funds for your own private garage or great parking at the work place.. Even then, if you need to go to a campus, with car you'll go to the parking lot and walk some distance, with bicycle you'll park right next to the entrance of the building you need to get into.

    13. Re:citation, please? by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      BS. I live in Finland. Some of my co-workers cycle to work every day around the year. -30C, a goddamn snowstorm, +30 C, Thunderstorm.

      Yeah, well, the rest of us don't have that much sisu. :)

      Point 2 is valid. Although I'd believe there are showers available pretty much anywhere.

      Umm, why would you believe that? I've been to Finland; there aren't showers "available pretty much anywhere" in Finland, much less in the United States. My employer doesn't provide showers for the benefit of employees who choose to cycle to work in +30 C temperatures. It would be nice if they did but they don't, so that's that. The only American employers I can think of that provide showers are those with on-site fitness centers, which isn't exactly unheard of, but it's definitely the exception and not the rule.

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    14. Re:citation, please? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Try Uniqlo's anti-bacterial clothing. It keeps you dry and kills the bacteria that cause you to smell when you sweat.

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    15. Re:citation, please? by holmstar · · Score: 1

      England gets stupendously cold? It routinely reached -28C last winter where I live. What would that be? "Ludicrously cold"? "Plaid"?

    16. Re:citation, please? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      2) We don't all have the luxury of coming to work smelling like someone who just took a 20-30K bike ride....

      Most work places that I've used in the last couple of decades have had at least some shower facilities. Not that it ever worried me, though my cycle into work varied between 3 and 8km (to the office) or 3-500km helicopter ride (to the worksite). Believe me, after 5 hours farting into a water and gas tight plastic bag, you don't exactly come out smelling of roses, and everyone was in one of those bags.

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  8. community solar? by unimacs · · Score: 1

    One idea that's starting to take hold here is the notion of community solar. An individual homeowner may not have the ideal site for a solar installation, but maybe there is a place in the neighborhood that does. So a community solar project gets funding from many individuals that share the energy and the expense.

  9. get a heat pump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    * Start by cutting the energy losses on your house. This can start as simple as avoiding unnecessary drafts, repainting your interior walls and ceilings with a radiant reflection additive like insuladd, thermic curtains near the windows, ...
    * Install radiant floor heating.
    * Install a simple wood fired boiler. Quite popular in some central European countries like Austria.
    * Get a low temperature air-water heat pump.
    * Put some solar panels on your roof if you haven't done so already.

    1. Re:get a heat pump by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

      * Install a simple wood fired boiler. Quite popular in some central European countries like Austria.
      * Get a low temperature air-water heat pump.

      As I already mentioned, a wood fired boiler necessarily sucks in 50 cubic meters of cold air per 10 kg of firewood. When the outside temperature falls below minus 20 degrees centigrade your boiler will in fact cool you unless you install a dedicated pipe directly to the fireplace.

      The heat pump also will not work below about -20degC.

      And the last. If you use BOILER and not just a stove then prepare to spend a fortune to glycol.

  10. Move away from people by gatkinso · · Score: 3, Informative

    When they are sitting in the cold dark and see your lights, you have scant minutes before they kick down your door.

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  11. Server by man_ls · · Score: 1

    What's the power consumption of the server? Depending on the load, you might be well-suited to pick up a small ARM-based system (or more than one) if the loads are somewhat light. Personal web server/file server/LDAP/etc. doesn't need a lot of horsepower and there's a good chance you might be burning extra electricity unnecessarily.

    1. Re:Server by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

      One more traditional error. The 1-kW server will give 1kW of heat. The dedicated electric heater will give you the same 1kW of heat but no service expected from the server.

    2. Re:Server by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If it doesn't get too cold, 1KW powering a heat pump will get you a lot more than 1KW of heat. If it does, electric heat is going to be way expensive, and you're probably better off burning methane or something like that. If it's so warm you don't need a heat pump or furnace, then you're going to pay to get rid of 1KW of heat. If you want to run a server, fine, but it's not going to cut your heating bills by much.

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  12. Could always go old school... by dlingman · · Score: 2

    Minions and a giant hamster wheel hooked to a generator.

    If minions are in short supply, can always put a pig in the wheel. (Might need to swap pigs out every few hours) - but, you save, cause the wheel can be smaller.

  13. Burn wood! Drink beer! by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Wood stove for heat!

    Drink beer and turn off the AC in summer.

    Seriously.

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  14. efficiency first, then generation by PermacultureEngineer · · Score: 2

    Your most cost effective strategy is going to be to focus first on load reduction and efficiency, and then on reliable backup energy sources second. It's hard to give specific suggestions without knowing more about your situation. Space heating is likely to be critical in any case, and that can largely be handled by adequate insulation and air sealing. The Passivehouse Institute will have a lot of guidance for you there.

  15. Russia is just yet another european country by loonycyborg · · Score: 2

    I don't see a problem here. But oil overall oil will deplete soon enough and the best alternative is solar IMO. You can draw large amounts of power with solar panels alone, probably enough for a computer.

    1. Re:Russia is just yet another european country by WindBourne · · Score: 2

      Yes, but when they try to control others, as well as invade other European nations, well, that is a problem.

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    2. Re:Russia is just yet another european country by loonycyborg · · Score: 1

      It's nothing different from other European countries. For example, Russia itself long time ago lost its old capital, Kiev, to invaders from Poland and Lithuania. Stuff like that will keep happening until concept of nationality and national state is fully obsolete.

    3. Re:Russia is just yet another european country by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

      Gaddafi tried to control European nations with quite big loans and donations to their politicians. He doesn't count since he's African.
      European politicians decided to kill Gaddafi instead of returning loans. They don't count since he's African.
      Mishiko Saakashvili performed "Operation Clear Field" (Genocide of South Ossetia) but has been promptly stopped by Russians. It doesn't count since Georgia is Asia.
      USA spent lots of money to teach Ukrainians that they are not Ukrainians but sons of ancient Ukrs that have built the Ancient Egypt, excavated the Black Sea and made Caucasus Mountains out of the excavated soil, but ethnic Russians in Donbass are Colorado beetles, carriers of imperial ideology and as such require extermination. We Russians laughed at this idiocy not thinking that 23 years of such teachings would result in a bloodshed that cannot be stopped because it requires Russian (or other, say UN) tanks which are not allowed there, and OSCE patrols the border and allows no tanks. It does not count since USA is not Europe.
      Serbs has shot F-117 Stealth Fighter and, reportedly, B2 in 1999. It does not count since 117 is not European.
      USA finances Syrian opposition. ISIS is a result. It doesn't count since any side is European. 911 also resulted from the same US policy in Afghanistan. It also doesn't count - Afghanistan is Asia.
      And BTW USA controls Russian State bank with so called "Budget Rule" that requires excess money to be spent to US Treasures while Russian companies borrow money from West. It also doesn't count.
      Albanians were allowed to run to Serbia from maoist Albanian regime and settle in Kosovo. And they cut Kosovo from Serbia with NATO help. Oops, they are all Europeans... Well, this is a problem.

  16. Re:Buy gas now by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

    In a flat? Storing the fuel may be illegal, dangerous or void your home insurance ; running the generator may kill you with carbon monoxide.

  17. Hogwash is that a word? by pigsycyberbully · · Score: 1

    The French have nuclear power and own most of U.K. electric. The British have North Sea oil and natural gas. Norway is the eighth largest crude oil exporter in the world (at 78Mt), and the 9th largest exporter of refined oil (at 86Mt). Its the world's third largest natural gas exporter at 99bcm. And so on plenty of oil and gas in Europe. Cheap Chinese solar power panels I've seen on the rooftops of country properties all over the European Union, especially Amsterdam, and England.

  18. Algeria gas is waiting for Rusia to screw up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    most of Europe's (and quite a bit of China's) gas supply comes from Russia and is very likely to be cut off several times during the next few winters

    Algeria sells gas to Europe and is one of the biggest producers. Already there are gas pipelines connecting Algeria with Spain and Italy.

    If Russia cuts the supply "too much" risks to speedup the works to connect the rest of Europe to the Algerian gas.

    1. Re:Algeria gas is waiting for Rusia to screw up by Pino+Grigio · · Score: 1

      And the US is building gas terminals to export their glut overseas. Europe hasn't even started with shale yet either, for political reasons. There's absolutely no excuse, If it does happen it will be entirely down to retarded policies of the European Union, which committed to "decarbonisation" at massive cost, whilst at the same time cosying up to the Mafia regime in Moscow for its energy supplies.

  19. Thinking Laterally - solar in winter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Had solar photovoltaic installed about a year back. Unfortunately on those overcast rainy dark days in December, January & February I've seen whole days where my nearly 4kW system has put out a whopping 50W. Some days I can boil a kettle and still export a little, but unfortunately I don't think it will help much as a source of heat on the most overcast short winter days. I don't deny that it is a useful investment, but don't expect miracles.

    1. Re:Thinking Laterally - solar in winter by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

      Had solar photovoltaic installed about a year back. Unfortunately on those overcast rainy dark days in December, January & February I've seen whole days where my nearly 4kW system has put out a whopping 50W.

      Hm... could this be the result of clouds blocking the sun? See if the owner's manual has an appendix, that is often where you find a list of troubleshooting procedures --- since the appendices are often written by the engineers themselves, you often find useful tidbits of info there that didn't fit into the how-to narrative and are not part of the sales pitch.

      I sympathize with your problem but I am also relieved that it is obviously a local phenomenon, since there are so many here on Slashdot who haven't experienced this, as they continue to advocate the use of solar energy for base load power generation for an industrial society.

      Good luck to you friend and I hope you find the problem and get those panels back up to 4kW all day, every day since that is what you paid for... you might try mounting a large Fresnel lens over your kettle to help it come to a boil on those cloudy days.

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  20. Budget? by Moof123 · · Score: 1

    Critical to any of your questions is your budget, as well as available space secondarily.

    If you have the $$$ you can of course install solar as well as install a very pricey battery bank and inverter setup to have power backup. It is possible to get yourself setup for a few days of stored energy without too much trouble (still very expensive). Get an EV like a Leaf or a Tesla to avoid petrol usage. Stay grid tied so that you can keep keep your battery bank and EV topped up during long dark periods in case the power cuts out. Being 100% power independent by yourself is not a trivial matter, but having a house scale UPS is not impossible with enough cash to throw at the problem.

    Install a wood burning stove and keep at least a few weeks of wood or wood pellets stashed for heating backup.

    But really, we cannot have an advancing society if the most basic infrastructure of heating, power, and water is not solidly maintained and reliable. Having everyone running with a hodge-podge of backups is really inefficient for everyone in society. Consider moving to a different country if you can, trying to fix your own country these days will get you black listed or disappeared.

  21. I guess I'll be the first to say it... by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is no good solution.

    Solar panels and a battery bank will keep you in minimal electricity. You can run a tablet, a laptop and internet router plus perhaps charge your flashlights. A larger installation might run a 12-volt microwave or 12-volt freezer.

    As for heat, I suggest many layers of clothing and lots of well insulated quilts. Hot water bottles were once popular and will be again.

    Cooking? If you can get to the roof, then buy a few bags of coal for the winter and a heater than can handle coal (not a standard wood stove) and cook up there. Coal is fairly cheap, compact and generates a good amount of heat. With coal, you can boil water for the aforementioned hot water bottles.

    Coal will also kill you with carbon monoxide if you try burning it inside the house. Try and avoid that.

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    1. Re:I guess I'll be the first to say it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Coal will also kill you with carbon monoxide if you try burning it inside the house. Try and avoid that.

      On the other hand, it'll solve any and all problems you have, permanently.

    2. Re:I guess I'll be the first to say it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You've got a good start here, let me add my solutions to it :)
      Note that this is for going full-blown paranoia while still maintaining current living quarters. I live in Europe and am certainly not considering this (I just like a puzzle)

      For heating get one of these babies: http://www.haassohn.com/en
      Heat your main room with it. You can heat water bottles or stones and place them in bed, but I suggest insulation and just getting good covers.
      Build a woodstockpile on your roof.

      For cooking, buy a cooking set + gas: http://www.ebharatgas.com/pages/FAQ/FAQ_Rules.html#
      11kg will get you about 3 weeks.
      There's also haassohn cooking stuff, but imho you're better off cooking on gas (reliable constant heat, easier to adjust high-low)

      Lighting: rewire your house to use LED directly, without the builtin transformers. Hook this system to a car battery (or better yet a special battery), charged by solar panels.
      Forget about your server (wtf will you need that for, big chance internet is out already) or buy a good UPS if the outages last short times. Do buy a tablet (for movie-addiction, can charge off of car battery) and stock up on books and games (buy them second hand). If the family (?) demands to watch movies together, hook up the tablet to a pico-projector.

      On the top of your roof, next to all the wood, you'll be growing your own garden and stockpile on food. Because long-term power outages also screw up with supermarkets.

    3. Re:I guess I'll be the first to say it... by gewoonm · · Score: 1

      (posted anon before, for no good reason) You've got a good start here, let me add my solutions to it :) Note that this is for going full-blown paranoia while still maintaining current living quarters. I live in Europe and am certainly not considering this (I just like a puzzle) For heating get one of these babies: http://www.haassohn.com/en Heat your main room with it. You can heat water bottles or stones and place them in bed, but I suggest insulation and just getting good covers. Build a woodstockpile on your roof. For cooking, buy a cooking set + gas: http://www.ebharatgas.com/page... 11kg will get you about 3 weeks. There's also haassohn cooking stuff, but imho you're better off cooking on gas (reliable constant heat, easier to adjust high-low) Lighting: rewire your house to use LED directly, without the builtin transformers. Hook this system to a car battery (or better yet a special battery), charged by solar panels. Forget about your server (wtf will you need that for, big chance internet is out already) or buy a good UPS if the outages last short times. Do buy a tablet (for movie-addiction, can charge off of car battery) and stock up on books and games (buy them second hand). If the family (?) demands to watch movies together, hook up the tablet to a pico-projector. On the top of your roof, next to all the wood, you'll be growing your own garden and stockpile on food. Because long-term power outages also screw up with supermarkets.

    4. Re:I guess I'll be the first to say it... by gewoonm · · Score: 1

      ugh :( Looked fine in preview, screwed up in final. Better version: http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...

  22. reducing footprint by confused+one · · Score: 1

    cheap Chinese solar panels on the roof, with an inverter capable of islanding if you can get it past your building codes people. That way you'll have some power during the day when there's no power in the city. Do you own the land? If so, put in a geothermal heat pump. More efficient than traditional heat pumps; so, lower energy consumption and lower operating cost. You're in the city so wood heating might be out of the question... If it's not, put in a wood pellet stove for heat when the oil and gas supplies are cut. If the city infrastructure is down for any significant time, you're going to be out of luck (lack of basic supplies, facilities, water, sewer, etc....)

  23. Different type of turbine by xaotikdesigns · · Score: 1
    I remember seeing a different type of turbine. It was rather small, and had more curved blades. I think it was these ones here

    They were supposed to be able to supply power to a small house or apartment.

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  24. Non-expert suggestions by steveha · · Score: 1

    I'm not an expert, but you asked on Slashdot so I guess you are willing to listen to non-expert opinion.

    • Insulate as much as you can. In the USA we can hire experts to come out, look at a building, make recommendations, and then carry out the work. My home, for example, had its insulation upgraded as much as possible: thick insulation in the attic space, as much insulation into the walls as they could take (not much), and windows replaced with triple-pane windows filled with krypton gas.
    • If you expect to lose power for only short times, it may be enough to have a large capacity UPS on your server. For long-term independence you will need a generator.
    • Could your server needs be handled by a low-power server? I use an HP Proliant Microserver which is pretty much a laptop motherboard (uses an AMD Turion II mobile processor). Perhaps you could use an actual laptop for your server and have a built-in "UPS" in the battery.
    • For rooftoop solar, photovoltaic panels would be simplest, but I believe that panels that collect heat are the most efficient. I suggest you Google search for "solar off-grid" and "solar water heating" and read about these.
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  25. Move by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

    Move somewhere where the power is mostly local and non-fossil in origin, and preferably where you have an ocean or two between where you live and any countries that might want a rematch for world domination (if tanks are rolling outside of your window, where your power comes from becomes a secondary concern). Pacific Northwest (either Canadian or American) fits the bill.

    1. Re:Move by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

      You are right. If you live in a country that has won the match for world domination and has an ocean or two between it and it's own tanks blasting the world to submission - it's quite safe.
      It's also quite safe to press the green papers, pay with them for Russian oil, then press Russia to invest them to derivatives and at last to initiate a financial crisis to burn said derivatives and leave Russian pensioners without pensions.

    2. Re:Move by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Yes, it is. That's precisely what the matches for world domination are fought for. And at any given point, it's always better to be on the winning side. Especially when it looks like it's time for another rematch, and the winners of last round are much better prepared for this one as well.

    3. Re:Move by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

      It will last while no oil is sold for any other currency except green papers.

      Saddam tried to trade oil for Euros. Killed.

      Gaddafi tried to establish a gold dinar. Killed.

      And then your President made an epic fail: he pressed SWIFT to disconnect Iran. It appeared to be impossible to bomb Iran to submission, and Iran, seeing no method to obtain dollars, began taking everything in exchange. There are rumors that Iran took from Turkey a physical gold. Basically it means that gold becomes a currency again.

      Then your President made a second Epic Fail. He stated that every dollar transaction in the world should be performed according to US laws, even if all sides are not US residents. As a result, the leading french bank plainly refused to work with dollars. Then it was an avalanche of events, beginning with Iran selling oil to Russia for consumer goods to opening an oil exchange in SPb, Russia, trading oil for everything including yuans.

      Didn't your mother teach you that the loans should be repaid?

    4. Re:Move by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      And yet vast majority of oil is still traded for dollars by pretty much everyone - including Russia. And most countries hold reserves in dollars. And most international debts are in dollars. And hey, look whose economy is in the shitter right now?

      As for loans, it's pretty easy to repay them if they are defined in terms of currency that you control. That's why smart people don't just ask for all of it back at once - because they might actually get what they ask for, and they won't like it then.

      And epic fails are honestly not so epic when you're the king of the hill. It might take you down a notch or two, but it doesn't matter when you're a hundred of those notches above the rest.

    5. Re:Move by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

      This is a fundamental difference between us. The quintessence. It's why all the world fears our Russian Bear and hates your American Eagle.

      You have a world domination and so can print green paper, create it's value out of thin air and pay with it for everything you like. And everybody who sells the oil for everything except this green paper shall be democratized to the stone age. You don't ask yourself whether it's just. It's just efficient.

      We believe that it's unjust to do. We believe that if we have some money then the country that issued this money has some goods and is willing to sell us, and if not so then the disparity MUST be corrected for the GREATER JUSTICE and not because we profit from it. And we will correct it sacrificing our lives in the process.

      After this, it's not necessary to discuss the fact that your economy does not produce anything except the paper. We at least pump the oil. All your production facilities are in China, and your Detroit lies in ruins. And that your dollars cannot buy anything valuable. Car - yes, car factory - no.

    6. Re:Move by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      The world doesn't fear your Russian bear - for the most part, it doesn't really care. It's only feared at times as a rabid animal, not as a dangerous an equal opponent.

      As far as justice goes, Eastern Europe has quite a tale to tell about Russian justice there. Let's go ask Ukrainians, or Hungarians, or Poles, or Czech... don't delude yourself - you're not better than any other empire in history.

      As far as economies go, you're deluded as well. Go look at the industrial output numbers - China only surpassed US a year ago, and the latter remains a close second. And if you look at high-tech industries - including, ironically, things such as factory equipment that you've brought up - US is still the industrial powerhouse of the world. In terms of oil production, USA pumps 10% of the world's global output (Russia pumps 13%) - but US, unlike Russia (and most Middle Eastern countries), utilizes much more high-tech methods of extracting that oil, and as time passes by, will simply run out of cheap oil to pump. And in terms of natural gas production, US is actually ahead of Russia. So yeah, we pump our own, too, but it's really such a silly thing to be proud of.

      So keep pumping your oil, trading it for our green paper, and telling yourself about how your economy is so much more substantial than the American one. So long as you keep yourself deluded that way, you will keep waiting dreamily for that "final collapse of US economy", predicted by your politicians with boring regularity year after year, always at most five years away, which never happens, instead of trying to actually fix something... and in the meantime, the ruins of your empire keep crumbing slowly, all while the green paper keeps going around and bringing good stuff back into US.

      Good stuff, by the way, includes people as much as goods. The ones that are more capable sooner or later understand the nature of the national delusion they're living in, and after some time and frustration trying to explain it to the others, give up and leave for greener (heh!) pastures. People like you are the ones who are left. Again, the system works to the advantage of this country, and to disadvantage of yours, over time - but for political reasons and for the sake of saving face you refuse to acknowledge it as a problem, and hence deal with it. It's easier than buying land from Indians for beads and fire water, yet just as profitable.

      And what's funniest of all, when you get mad at US, you do what? Fuck up a random neighbor, like Ukraine, after arbitrarily designating them as the local "agent of American imperialism" or some such for the day. US, of course, doesn't care in the slightest, and you get another war on your borders for your troubles, and a bitter neighbor that will trip you up out of spite at any opportunity for decades to come. Free self-containment!

    7. Re:Move by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

      Similarly, go ask Poles about Ukrainian justice and Germans about Chech justice. You will find many interesting facts about our "Random neighbors". And also ask about them the Uzhgorod Hungarians (I mean their ukrainization by current Ukrainian state). You know, the ukrainization of ethnic Russians of East Ukraine and Crimea and their national revolt is not the theme for civilized Europeans...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E...

      all while the green paper keeps going around and bringing good stuff back into US.

      Yes, your Ponzi scheme works. But it does NOT make it just.

    8. Re:Move by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

      Excuse me. I just have not noticed your "Glory to Heroes". Please keep jumping.

    9. Re:Move by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Yes, of course. Like I said, you're not better than any other empire. You're not any worse, either. Your problem is your illusions of grandeur, that's all.

  26. Wood? by FishTankX · · Score: 1

    Is Kerosene cheap? Stockpiling enough kerosene to make it through a gas fluctuation should be trivial. In Japan my main spaceheating kerosene tank held 80 liters and I kept 100 liters in reserve on my deck.

    a closet could easily store 200 liters in poly tanks. 1 liter could heat the house for two hours. So a typical heating day I would use 4 liters. Use an electric blanket at night. So my stockpile could last me about a month. Maybe less for you. How long is a gas cutoff?

    For electricity you could stockpile diesel and enough to run a generator for weeks. you could use cogen by running hot water from the cooling system into a radiator in your house.

    I'm unfamiliar with your housing situation but a lister clone diesel with generator is probably $1000 and could run your house and they last forever. can also be serviced by hand. probably same rate of fuel consumption 4 liters per day with enough heat to cut space heating requirements in half.

  27. Best-kept secret in home heating... by lyran74 · · Score: 1

    ... is far infrared (FIR) panels. Not the hot-element, near-infrared kind, these ones come in various sizes and colours and emit no visible light. They're also very safe – they get warm, but it would take several seconds' contact to scald yourself. Surface temperature wouldn't boil water.

    Counterintuitively, they are best mounted on ceilings in commonly-occupied places, radiating heat downward. They heat the objects and people in the room, and the air mostly indirectly. The infrared light/heat bouncing around the room means you can be comfortable at an ambient air temperature about 5C lower than with traditional heating. They're common in infrared saunas and hot yoga studios, but new to the home heating market. I haven't had a full winter with mine yet, but claims of savings on the order of 40% are common.

    These are more efficient and far less costly to install than radiant floor heating systems... several hundred euros per panel, plus installation.

    Before you consider any heating system, however, know the differences among radiant, convective and conductive heat transfer!

    For bonus points, combine with renewably-sourced electricity and other home energy loss minimizations.

  28. Insulation + modern ventillation systems by impossiblefork · · Score: 1

    I've given some thought to this and believe that insulation, modern well-designed heat and ventilation systems, perhaps incorporating heat exchangers for heat-recovery from the air leaving the house, systems to heat the water with sunlight hitting the roof or heat storage using a borehole heat exchanger are the right solution.

  29. One word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Move.

  30. Petrol heater by Ketorin · · Score: 2

    Buy a petrol heater, you know the kind that doesn't have a chimney.

    With this device you can emergency heat your apartment with wide variety of liquid fuels, thus drastically reducing the number of solar panels required.

    Real 70s countryside vibes with this one, and really bad room air. Of course the air quality improves with the quality of fuel. Coleman fuel > jet A > unleaded petrol.

  31. U.S. government has a really nice site for solar by Solandri · · Score: 1

    http://pvwatts.nrel.gov/

    It's U.S.-centric, but it also includes data for a lot of major non-U.S. cities. Instead of having to guess how much power your solar panels will generate, the site uses latitude and historical weather data to estimate how much your panels will generate. Northern parts of central Europe (like Germany) tends to have pathetic ROI on solar (capacity factor around 0.10). But for lower latitudes in Central Europe you should be able to hit close to 0.15 - about the average for the continental U.S.

  32. Re:Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator by guruevi · · Score: 1

    Instead of DIY, just go out and buy a commercial solution. Or go to Russia and go find an abandoned light house or submarine and take the nuclear battery.

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  33. Substitutions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    1: Transport - Petrol (Americans: Gas):
    a) Bicycle: I'm 120kg and I cycle commute about once a week 40km, there are about 5 guys I ride with from my area who do that every day, I think I could do it but I have small children. There are about 40 who commute 25km a day. We have a train but I prefer to cycle when I can.
    b) Electric Car: Leaf, iMiev, Tel$la, etc. You have heaps in Europe or you can convert your own
    c) Wood Gassifier - it's possible to run a petrol car from wood, they did this in the war, takes a bit of space - http://www.woodgas.net/

    2: Heating / Cooling
    a) insulation - saves on any option
    b) electric heat pump / reverse cycle air conditioning
    c) British style coal/wood/woodgas/Kerosene heated furnace plumbed from the roof to radiators in the house
    d) Tank / Storage for coal/wood/Kerosene

    3: Cooking
    a) Gas / Kerosene Camping Stove is ok for a while

    4: Electricity - apart from cooking and heating you aren't using heaps. Heating includes computer servers...
    a) Solar
    b) Battery Backup - old UPS batteries? or LiFePO4
    c) Woodgas / Petrol / Kerosene Generator on the roof + big tank.

  34. Several by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    1) get rid of your politicians. They are as bad as the neo-cons/tea* here in America. These bastards have made us dependent on China. Really bad IDEA.
    2) Ideally, your nation would change their approach to AE. The best thing is to require that all new buildings under 5 stories have enough on-site Alternative energy that EQUALS the amount of energy used for your HVAC (with Heating AND COOLING). In general, that will mean Solar. BUT, it could be others. However, this would get builders to focus on insulation and cheaper means of heating/cooling.
    3) if you are in an older building, then consider a new home. Otherwise, focus on insulation.

    4) Finally, Buy a Nissan leaf, or better, a Tesla. If you do that, it sends a message to ALL car makers that you want electric. At the same time, if you have Solar on your roof, you can rig things so that several circuits are able to run during the daytime via solar, but then run at nighttime, via your electric car. Yes, you can use your electric car as a back-up.

    Did I mention that you should get rid of your politicians? Sadly, we just voted back in the same fuckers that put us in bed with Communists.

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  35. Re:if money is no object by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Depends on where you live and how many panels you have.
    We produce more electricity at our house every month then we use.

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  36. One last thing. by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    You really should consider getting coal=>methane conversion going. You can bury the excess CO2. Interestingly, if Germany and Poland were to tap their coal in this fashion, they could provide all of Europe.

    Ideally, America would tap our coal and convert into methane that we can use to keep our prices down, but also export to any nations that Russia decides to screw with.

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    1. Re:One last thing. by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Germany has not much coal left, except for lime/brown coal.
      No idea about Poland, but never heared they had noticeable coal supplies.

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    2. Re:One last thing. by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Poland is loaded. That is why they do not like kyoto.
      That is also why, when data from OCO2 comes out, the world is in for a major shock.

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  37. Electricity, wood by codeButcher · · Score: 1

    An acquaintance who lives in Germany once showed me an experimental setup he had: replaced his house's heating with a small generator (sealed unit) that generated electricity as well as heating the house from the waste heat. Apparently it was still allowed to run on the "heating oil" (diesel fuel), while natural "heating" gas-burning versions were available too. So you still get the heat for which the fuel originally was intended, but some electricity as a bonus. You'd still be dependent on a stockpile of fuel though...

    This may not be practical in a densely populated first-world city (with more regulations than sane) but I still like wood as a renewable fuel source for space heating (and emergency cooking). While there are a lot of wood (and coal and even gas) burning stoves being manufactured in various North-European countries (and South American, South Africa, China etc.) Rocket Stove Mass Heaters (which may be googled) seem to be cheaper to construct and cleaner burning - IF you can get the building plans approved.... Retrofitting an existing building can however be a pain.

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  38. Woolpower ? by einar.petersen · · Score: 1

    Wear wool, turn off heating... yeah I know you mentioned wanting heat but think of the free cooling for your electronics that you'd get at the same time... and why is your south facing rooftop not plastered with solar panels already ? I live in an apartment complex (in Europe) and I basically have not been using ambient heat radiators for a year and a half and did not even have to put on the woollen jammies yet. I am guessing your question is more of the rhetorical kind to enlighten fellow slashdotters. On a side note the multiple times I've been in china and in rural areas wool was the solution indoors with room temperatures nearing waters freezing point by a few degrees. People need to get out of their comfort zone. A lot can be done by installing multi layer gold coated thermo glazing in your windows. Wall isolation etc. Look at experimental, zero and even plus energy housing all over Europe. The biggest hurdle against independance is legislation brought on by the energy lobby to curtail initiatives and you see that happening all over the world. Be creative but most of all fight idiotic legislation such as area laws that demand red clay rooftop tiling because you need to fit in with the rest of the "useful idiots" and other laws that curtail freedom and innovative ideas that would keep you from implementing power saving ideas.

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  39. Lobby your government by Prune · · Score: 1

    Mail your representatives to build modern nuclear reactors. Nuclear has come a long way. Passively safe designs have been around for a while. With a combination of breeder reactors, waste transmutation, and glassification, waste is a non-issue. And let's not forget that nuclear has the lowest number of deaths per Terawatt-hour of energy produced--lower even than wind/solar/hydro**

    **Sources:
    http://webcache.googleusercont...
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/ja...

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    1. Re:Lobby your government by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      You forget: the OP lives in europe, likely germany.
      So: no new nuclear reactors.
      Your advice and his mail if he followed it: are pointless.

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  40. Meanwhile, in reality... by barcarolle · · Score: 1

    This post is a red herring, pretending to ask about energy ideas while his primary aim is to get front-page Slashdot play for his political viewpoint.

    Meanwhile, in reality, Russia has been trying to diversify supply routes to Europe (see Nord Stream and South Stream) to reduce dependence on unreliable transit countries, those countries being responsible for interruption in the past (and most likely in the future, as well).

    Meanwhile, in reality, the political leadership in most Central and Eastern (not to mention Western) European countries (with very few exceptions) is almost exclusively in bed with (though perhaps "tied up in bed by" is a more accurate analogy) the United States and the UK vis-a-vis their NATO military empire, primarily for banking reasons.

    Meanwhile, in reality, Central European countries have done great work diversifying their energy supply to avoid dependence on one source of energy, which is great.

  41. Re:The number one thing FREE ENERGY! by quenda · · Score: 1

    PV and air-con is fine for reducing your carbon emissions, but it ain't a reliable backup system.

  42. Transportation = food and other goods. by Moskit · · Score: 1

    Anyway, oil dependence is essentially transport based; more specifically, private car use ... That's oil dependance sorted.

    Private car use is just a tiny part of oil use, although the only many people you see directly. Public communication is largely based on oil as well, but it's still not the point.

    Even if you decide to use own muscle power for moving around, there is a bigger problem, especially in large cities - practically all goods are nowadays delivered to shops via road transport. Most important - food. Unless you can find a food source that is not transported by car into the city, you are still pretty much oil dependent.

  43. Re:Buy gas now by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

    Diesel is a viable strategy, but not gasoline. It degrades over time; you're not going to get 1 year storage life with gasoline. You'll also have to buy "pure" gasoline, not the stuff that's cut with 15% ethanol.

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  44. Easy by xfizik · · Score: 1

    The easiest way to solve problems with gas supply in Europe is to build more pipelines to/from Russia that bypass areas of political instability. Firstly, allow the construction of the South Stream pipeline - paid for in full by Russia. Secondly, open the second half of the OPAL pipeline to Russia. Neither of those options would cost Europe a cent.

  45. Shameless plug for my brother. by miffo.swe · · Score: 1

    My brother has a company that builds wood / biofuel heated stirling engines. You get both electricity and heat so it is very efficient in the winter or whenever you have a heating need, like for hot tap water.

    http://www.inresol.se/the-geni...

    Cool as hell imho. But then ofcourse, im biased :D

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  46. Not really by ThePhilips · · Score: 1

    Most of our leaders, at least in Germany and Hungary, are in bed with the Russians and likely won't do anything about fuel security.

    I do not know about Hungary, but Germany is heavily investing in the renewable energy.

    Or you expected them to immediately cut the pipes? halt production and transportation? cut the forests to heat the homes?

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    1. Re:Not really by ThePhilips · · Score: 1

      They are only cutting the subsidies.

      The market has established itself: subsidies are not needed anymore.

      Just like the article says in the third paragragh.

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  47. Re:Communism is the only solution by Pino+Grigio · · Score: 1

    $710 trillion. Now unwind all of those trades and tell me how much it actually is. Also stop watching Prison Planet.

  48. Not really a problem by YoungManKlaus · · Score: 1

    For heating, a stove is great, both when it comes to any supposed outages (also of electricity) as well as making for really cosy living. Also wood is pretty cheap and a renewable energy source.

    Depends on if you are more afraid of a power outage or gas crysis ;) You can also use bottled gas for most gas stoves (though you need to configure them for it) which makes you more independent from short-term outages.

  49. Gas heating by JabrTheHut · · Score: 1

    It depends on the amount of space you want to heat and how strong your roof is, but large gas bottles (200-500kg) can be bought in my neck of the woods, and there are multiple services that travel to my place to fill them. If access is an issue then multiple smaller bottles may do the trick - it all depends on how long you will be without gas.

    Oh, and insulate your place. Walls, ceiling, windows, even consider the floor.

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  50. serious options by deadweight · · Score: 1

    You really need to move. If you had your own land, you could have a large tank of heating oil or propane. Either one will heat a building and run a generator. There really is nothing else that can store enough energy to do what you want except maybe coal, but a coal operated generator is not an easy thing to DIY. As for where you live right now, you could see how much weight your floors will tolerate and get as many batteries as you can to be charged from the AC mains power and solar on the roof. You could see if it possible for you to have a small generator on the roof. Some of the new camping generators are very quiet. You could maybe have a coal heat stove and store enough coal for a week or two. Do think about how many OTHER problems you will be having if no one else has electricity or heat.

  51. Relocate to Russia. by horsh · · Score: 1

    Have you already considered just relocatiing to Russia?

    1. Re:Relocate to Russia. by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

      Don't. We Russians will survive everything. You won't.

  52. FUD for the Russian fossil fuel industry? by matbury · · Score: 1

    The OP initially sounds plausible and hooks enough readers in with an interesting but ultimately unsolveable problem. The bit where he says, "..and my server keeps running." is guaranteed to score brownie points with /.-ers. The Russian fossil fuel industry is in the business of making money and it's not going to allow anything get in the way of it maximising its profits. Unstable, irregular energy supplies on their part will encourage consumer countries to increase investments in alternative sources, e.g. wind, solar, and geothermal, and supplies (other pipelines). That's the last thing they want. Irregular and more expensive energy supplies would also affect the competitiveness of their customer countries' economies, thereby further reducing their ability to pay top dollar for their energy.

    This post appears to be pure FUD. I'm not exactly sure what the OP is trying to do but it's not at all convincing.

  53. Re:drill for nothing and frack whose land? by thrig · · Score: 1

    The high cost of oil and low interest rates (and being completely and totally addicted to oil) are more compelling reasons why America went bonkers for Bakkenpuffs; the recent price dip should be a good test to determine just how resilient those producers are, and to see who is out swimming sans skivvies. Also, the population density is rather higher in Europe, which may nix or upsize the costs of any fracking, depending on where those hypothetical fields might be located (there was a recent 96% slaughter of the reserves projected for the Monterey Shale, fluffy optimism and bad data being hallmarks of this field), and the land usage rights would also need delving into. So whatever "new" methods there might be may not fly at all in the EU, assuming that there is profitable oil to be had—for example, how are those fields in Poland panning out? Hmm, hmm, "Fracking Setback in Poland Dims Hope for Less Russian Gas." Righty, then. Consider also the brutal decline rates of fracked wells; Rune Likvern has written several times on the "Red Queen Running" state required to keep the tight oil party flowing.

  54. Re:foamularTM panels by EdwardFurlong · · Score: 1

    Also you can take advantage of windows and the sun during the day, open the curtains let heat in, close curtains at night.

  55. Propane heater by EdwardFurlong · · Score: 1

    I would just get something like a Mr heater propane heater. Safe to run indoors, propane is easy to store.
    It's not going to be a good solution to get you through an entire winter, but should get you through minor outages, it's also way less costly and complex than some of the other ideas mentioned.
    If possible I would get a wood stove, I have one, the initial cost was pretty steep but all I need to keep it going is wood which is nice.

  56. BSG, Farscape, Red Dwarf by tepples · · Score: 2

    Hmm, hmm, "Fracking Setback in Poland Dims Hope for Less Russian Gas."

    Why not "Frelling" or "Smegging" setback?

    1. Re:BSG, Farscape, Red Dwarf by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Hmm, hmm, "Fracking Setback in Poland Dims Hope for Less Russian Gas."

      Why not "Frelling" or "Smegging" setback?

      Because "fracking" comes from an abbreviation of tedious engineering terms in one field of research ("hydraulic fracturing" in drilling engineering), while "smegging" is an euphemism invented in a totally unrelated field (from "smegma", a medical term, in the field of entertainment).

      I don't know if "frelling" is a technical term in drilling engineering, or a contraction of such ; if it is, I don't recognise it's derivation and would appreciate an explanation of how it's appropriate. If it's an euphemism from the entertainment industry, what the fuck has that to do with engineering terminology?

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  57. Bike rack far from door by tepples · · Score: 1

    With a bicycle, you still need to walk from the vehicle parking space to the door if a place has no bike rack or if a bike rack isn't very close to the door. At a lot of large shops, the only thing remotely resembling a bike rack is the shopping cart return in the parking lot.

    1. Re:Bike rack far from door by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Then you chain your bike into a cluster of shopping carts stuck around one of the anti-ram-raid pillars and when the management complain ask them to put the bike racks a bit closer to the doors. Possibly even as part of the anti-ram-raid equipment. And if they still don't like it, go in, do your shopping, then leave it at the checkout, unpaid for, saying that you think it is too far to carry out to your so-distant bike.

      It takes time, years, but eventually they get the message.

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  58. Victory garden by tepples · · Score: 1

    Unless you can find a food source that is not transported by car into the city

    There used to be something called a victory garden, a vegetable garden on one's own urban property, but some cities have tried to outlaw that.

  59. Now feed the animals by tepples · · Score: 1

    Now feed the animals. Good luck.

  60. Re:Buy gas from the US by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

    Nobody wants to actually EXPORT your precious US LNG. Obama just PROMISES to do so but promises are not supply. And the real price of your LNG will be 1/4 higher than Gazprom's. Who will cover the difference? Europeans. For what cause? You really don't understand for what cause?

  61. Re:The number one thing FREE ENERGY! by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

    Are you personally paying any money for your personal carbon emission? And BTW: The greens state that the forests are the lungs of the planet but pray tell me Sir, where does the carbon goes after it's trapped by trees?

    And also: The efficiency of heat pump seriously depends on the temperature difference. It may give you 3 KW heat per KW spent in spring and autumn but not in winter.

  62. Re:Best Option by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

    When you live in an apartment your apartment borders with outside with one of it's 6 sides. When you live in a separate building it borders with 5 sides of six meaning 5 times more heat losses and 5 times more money to heat it. Also, it means that you generate heat from fuel, and Europe is not Siberia with it's cheap firewood.

  63. Re:Nuclear power by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

    It means that you either buy uranium from us Russians and return spent isotopes to Russia where they are buried somewhere in tundra, or have your personal fluorescent nuclear tundra in the middle of inhabited Europe. Do you really need a fluorescent tundra?

  64. Re:In Soviet Russia. by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

    It was quite amusing to observe score falling from 3 to 0 exactly when the dying rabid psychotic entity awakens on export pipelines and turns on computers.

  65. Re:How about paying you bills? by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

    Yesterday I've read a news that water facility in Kharkov, Ukraine has been cut off electricity for non-payment. As a result, there is no water in Kharkov. Of course, this news is a Putinist propaganda. But still it does not matter that personally you have paid your water bills.

  66. Viability of renewables by Hypotensive · · Score: 1

    Whether renewables will work in isolation for you is going to depend on a number of other variables, such as how big the space you need to heat is under your roof, how big the roof is, and the thermal efficiency of the building.

    Even in Central Europe during winter you should be able to generate 1kW from around 8m2 of solar photovoltaic panel. That 1kW is sufficient to power a heat pump capable of providing around 3kW of heat. You can do your own calculations about how much you would need to scale that up by based on your own space measurements.

    As others have said everyone can benefit from using solar thermal to heat their hot water. For a short while now there's been a new technology called thermodynamic panels that combine solar thermal technology and a small compressor, working a little like an air-to-air heat pump. These are highly efficient and depending on how much hot water storage you have you might be able to pump it through a radiator system to provide central heating. Again for an off-grid solution you'd need PV to provide the baseline power for it, but it would be in the order of magnitude capable of being supplied by solar.

    Lastly, depending on how much control you have you might be able to rebuild or rework the actual building construction. If you can do this to a high enough level you might consider a Passivhaus which would drastically reduce the space heating requirements.

  67. Improve the building insulation first by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

    If your building does not have them already get double-glazed windows and insulate the roof. Use centralized heating. Either heat-pump based or a propane or diesel boiler. I say propane or diesel because it is denser and easier to transport and most of it in Europe comes from petrofuels of the Middle East rather than Russian natural gas reserves. Burning wood or coal is nice if you live in the middle of nowhere but if everyone started doing this in cities atmospheric pollution would get worse just like it was in the XIXth century. Check where your electricity comes from if it is natural gas or coal. You might not actually have a problem at all. Get an UPS for your PC and surge protection for every major appliance because I think it is more likely you will have rolling blackouts than actual total grid failure.