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The Math Behind the Hipster Effect
rossgneumann writes If everyone always wants to look different than everybody else, everybody starts looking the same. At least, if you use a recently published mathematical model describing the phenomenon. "The hipster effect is this non-concerted emergent collective phenomenon of looking alike trying to look different," in the words of Jonathan Touboul, mathematical neuroscientist at the College de France in Paris.
This is not true anticonformancy. If you want to truly look different from most people it's not that difficult.
I love it. Hipster-hate, in all it's forms, is the latest new thing! It's the latest trend.
Which makes you a hipster. And if you were disparaging hipsters *before* it was cool, the you are definitely a hipster.
Quick, get on board the hipster-hate train, before it becomes uncool!
Why strive to look different? Instead act different.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
Anyone have NCSA Mosaic for a Commodore 64?
Hipsterism was "uncool" the moment someone gave it a name, that's how these things work.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
As long as we all do it together in the same way!
Hipster
But isn't the hipster thing to do stuff that isn't cool? Wouldn't that mean you should still wait a bit for it to become uncool again before you do it?
I guess that's why all iPhones look exactly the same then.
If Pandora's box is destined to be opened, *I* want to be the one to open it.
I was pointing out how hating hipsters before it was cool makes you a hipster, before pointing that out was cool.
My wife often decides to hate things because everyone is “into” them. My daughter gets caught up in liking what others like for no reason other than that it’s the trend. Then there’s me who like many Slashdotters decide what to like based on what seems like good empirical evidence and an ability to just judge for myself.
I think it is the dynamic between the hippster and trenders that give the wild oscillations in popularity for things and why trends come and go. Ironically it is the trenders that undo the hippsters as when the hippster/hatters reach a certain critical mass, then boom the trenders hate it to.
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So guess those that hated hipsters before. Now that it cool to hate hipsters have to like hipsters? So now, not to be a hipsters but and anti-hipster?
or you could, you know, not be a 15-year-old with an existential social identity crisis at age 35. You could also stop defining yourself around your consumption habbits.
the real problem with hipsters, is beneath the beard, beneath the "ironic" whatever, or whatever knickknacks, and chockskies, are still empty soulless yuppie shitheads.
Meh, mostly just 50's style + hippie weirdness. Try being a trad skinhead in the 80s and 90s.
If know one knows what you are doing, then you are original. Once all the major trendy stores start carrying it and it has a name it is mainstream. Once Wal-Mart starts carrying it, it is over.
And ride the sea of labels.
I was hating on hipster-haters long before you were born, sonny.
My lawn. Off.
"Hipster hate" makes a great deal of sense compared to disliking other subcultures, because those other subcultures may not appeal to you but they're marked by their own clothing, behavior, and ritual. Hipsters however don't embrace a particular ethos beyond mocking other cultures. They appropriate symbols and cruft from different eras and movements and display them in a mocking 'irony' to underscore how 'uncool' is item X or garment Y. Of course their Ray-Ban sunglasses and Smurf lunchboxes are stripped of context but there isn't much cogitation involved, just peacocking. Put simply, hipsters are reviled across cultures because those hipsters are already hating you.
Hipster culture is like a passive-aggressive punk culture. Both have a distinctive styles of clothing, music, and a strong counter-culture attitude. The main differentiation is that hipsters are less raucous, less extreme.
I thought for a moment I was outed.
maybe we can get a vaccine.
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Yes, lets take advice on cool form someone on /.
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It has ALWAYS been cool to hate hipsters.
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Acting or dressing in a consciously "different" way is still defining yourself in relation to others and logically no different than being totally conformist.
what the f. OK I'm shaving my other testicle
John S. Hall (aka King Missile) It's Saturday:
I want to be different, like everybody else I want to be like
I want to be just like all the different people
I have no further interest in being the same
Because I have seen difference all around
And now I know that that's what I want
I don't want to blend in and be indistinguishable
I want to be a part of the different crowd
And assert my individuality along with the others
Who are different like me
I don't want to be identical to anyone or anything
I don't even want to be identical to myself
I want to look in the mirror and wonder
"Who is that person? I've never seen that person before
I've never seen anyone like that before"
I want to call into question the very idea
That identity can be attached
I want a floating, shifting, ever changing persona
Invisibility and obscurity
Detachment from the ego and all of it's pursuits
Unity is useless
Conformity is competitive and divisive and leads only to
Stagnation and death
Read more: King Missile - It's Saturday Lyrics | MetroLyrics
http://www.metrolyrics.com/its...
bottom line: everyone wears a uniform. i have my Hannah Montana underwear....somewhere.
The main differentiation is that hipsters are pussies.
Fixed that for you.
Not rocket science -- we saw the same thing in the sixties. Association with a movement -- "hipster" in this case, "hippie" back then -- although intending noncomformity, in truth only means conforming with a different set of rules. Or as Frank Zappa said decades ago, "Everyone in this room is wearing a uniform, and don't kid yourself".
But -- and I don't think that having married a hippy has colored my judgement -- hipsters are a LOT more annoying. Especially if I get stuck behind one at Starbucks.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
I've discovered as I get older that a hipster is anyone under 30 that goes out of their way to adopt any sort of style that would not have had a definable context label 20 years ago.
Everyone knows the real non-conformists are the Goths.
putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
I like the idea that they're putting forward, but I think it would be a mistake to try to explain this behavior with math like this without dealing with other constraints. For example:
As you can see, a clear tipping point is recognizable in which all lovers of small goats suddenly see that everyone is wearing Clarks, after which it takes a while for the lovers of small goats to all wear Timberlands. Until they notice that, and switch to something else, et cetera, until infinity.
So what they're saying, I think, is that there's Event A, which is people recognizing that everyone is wearing Clarks, followed by Event B, where 'hipsters' rebel by switching to the less popular brand of Timberlands. Because there's a delay between Event A and Event B, people have all switched to Timberlands, making it the new popular brand, before the 'hipsters' realize it and have time to react by choose a new kind of shoe.
However, it doesn't explain why everyone switched to Timberlands instead of various people switching to various other brands. Part of the issue must be some kind of market constraints, where there's some limits on which shoes people will realistically choose. More importantly, there is some level of social conformity going on in all of these groups. It's not clear to me who the 'hipsters' are, but I'm sure that among people adhering to the 'hipster' trends, there are some who are just following the crowd, as is normal. Part of the great irony of social movements that are superficially rebellious is that there must be a conformist aspect, or they wouldn't form a cohesive movement.
More to the point, it seems to me that a lot of the phenomenon of what people call 'hipsters' are actually very mainstream. The real 'hipsters' were the cool kids doing this stuff several years ago. Most people wouldn't see it enough to complain about 'hipsters' until it became common and mainstream enough that they see it in their normal daily lives.
I thought they were uniformly disliked for a long while now...
The essential tension of adolescence through young adulthood (and maybe some old adulthood too) is between the need for acceptance (i.e., to "fit in") and the competing need to distinguish oneself (to be seen as special or unique in some way). It explains a lot of what goes on during those years.
i'm a hipster, and i don't hate you.
the things you ascribe to hipsters - those are more caricature than reality. if being a hipster is really about liking things before it's cool, you can see us as cultural forecasters. we perform a service for society akin to that peformed by record or film studio executives - we watch shitty movies and listen to shitty music, so you don't have to. you may call it peacocking, but if you think there's value in predicting the future of the culture - and shaping it - i'd suggest that hipsters play a useful role in society. no need to hate us.
yes there are hipsters who are assholes - but that's not cool. everyone seems to agree that hipsters are interested in being cool, so i'd suggest that those hipsters who are dicks about it - they're just not that great at being hipsters, either.
Clothing? Well, that's interesting (I suppose?), but this area of study has really been about the use of speculation to increase the valuation of hedge funds. And that, my friends, is both very scary and very interesting. For my own part, it's more worth reading this paper's bibliography than the paper itself.
Hipster is all about defining oneself as a hipster.
The rest of the world actually doesn't care.
I love it. Hipster-hate, in all it's forms, is the latest new thing! It's the latest trend.
Which makes you a hipster. And if you were disparaging hipsters *before* it was cool, the you are definitely a hipster.
hipster-hate has always been cool.
You missed the key part, USING the clothes, icons and imagery of 20 years ago sans all context to make it cool. Again, without knowing it was cool, why it was cool, when it fell off, and what replaced it.
The lack of context and understanding seems to be a core tenant of hipsterism.
I love it. Hipster-hate, in all it's forms, is the latest new thing! It's the latest trend.
Nope. Hipster hate has been around since at least the 40's when it was associated with jazz. Hipster is a pretty much generic term for whatever twenty somethings are doing currently. It was used in the 40's and 50's became hippies in the 60's and 70's. The 80's seemed filled with a variety of alternative subcultures so they all got their own names, but it has returned for at least twenty years where I have heard the hipster hate in my trendy section of Seattle. The twenty somethings in the neighborhood are always called hipsters and have had variety of looks in the last two decades from white belted rockers to the current lumbersexuals. The up and coming youth always want to do their own thing which somehow seems to involved dressing in their grandparent's clothes, listening to new music, and generally trying not to be their parents. The parents always hate this.
Eh. You non-conformists are all alike.
Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.
I love it. Hipster-hate, in all it's forms, is the latest new thing! It's the latest trend.
Which makes you a hipster. And if you were disparaging hipsters *before* it was cool, the you are definitely a hipster.
Quick, get on board the hipster-hate train, before it becomes uncool!
I think someone hit a nerve.
People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
we perform a service for society akin to that peformed by record or film studio executives - we watch shitty movies and listen to shitty music, so you don't have to. you may call it peacocking, but if you think there's value in predicting the future of the culture - and shaping it - i'd suggest that hipsters play a useful role in society.
DO NOT WANT.
People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
I'm 41 with a gigantic oustache. I work in tech, live in San Francisco, like craft beer, and bike to work, all things associated with being a hipster (except my age). I don't define myself around my consumption habits; I just am. I like to bike. I like to drink craft beer. I like working in tech, and my facial hair rocks. It's the idiots out there like you who feel it's necessary to label folks different than themselves as " empty soulless yuppie shitheads." If you think that having a mustache or liking craft beer is what makes a person a shithead, then you are part of the problem.
In my day, we called them posers.
And so you think hipsters, as you define them, are unaware of why those things are cool at one time? or are you just pulling this out of your ass?
Do you realize that David Lee Roth's "Just a Gigolo" was a remake of a 1929 song by Irving Ceasar? So all those people who loved the remake in the 80's were just ignorant and being "ironic" for liking the song without know the original context?
And the original Irving Cesar version was a remake of an Austrian song, "Schöner Gigolo, armer Gigolo", composed in 1928 in Vienna by Leonello Casucci. So all those "hipsters" in 1929 who liked the remake were too cool for their own good for liking a song without knowing the original context?
This is the stupidity of the anti-hipster "movement". Virtually everything put out these days is a rehash, remake, or takes something from something that came before it. Liking those things without knowing the original "context" of it doesn't make you less of a person, or more importantly, worthy of ridicule.
Cool-hunting has been around forever and is done by all kinds of people, not just hipsters. Were hipsters in at the start with glam rock? Disco? New Country?
Yet all those things were "cool" (for a certain value of "cool") once upon a time.
So hipsters are at best a subset of cool-hunters, and not a very interesting set, because they differ from other cool-hunters in their stupidity, insularity and arrogance. Many cool-hunters want to find the cool and share it with others. Hipsters want to find the cool and keep it to themselves, to the point of denying that anything that has become popular is cool any more.
Furthermore, you don't understand futures trading, even a little bit. Futures trading is about hedging, not discovery. They literally have nothing to do with each other. Futures markets are not predictive, they simply represent the mean of trader's expectations. They are an essentially homogenizing force. So if you think hipsters are like futures traders you are saying they are trying to make everyone the same bland and boring type.
Another clue that hipsters have nothing interesting to say is their proclivity for using unconventional typography--such as eschewing capitalization--to draw attention away from the vacuity and falsehood of so much of what they say.
Hipsterism is the practice of misdirection. Hipsters are lame people who have learned that attention is the scarcest human resource, so they can hide behind a few attention-grabbing quirks. It saves them from having to do anything actually interesting, useful or productive.
It's kind of sad, really, but the hate they get is well-deserved, because they are socially useless people who are deliberating soaking up our precious, limited attention on completely pointless self-aggrandizement.
Blasphemy is a human right. Blasphemophobia kills.
I'm sure you came up with the whole craft beer, riding a bike and handlebar moustache all by yourself. I'm sure everyone respects you as well.
I've never met a hipster who wasn't uber interested in proving how uncool other people were. Mostly they find people "uncool" for being "late" to whatever thing they thought was completely awesome 3-6 months ago. I've never met one who wanted to be cool, at least not in the traditional definition.
By definition they aren't interested in being cool, to be cool, you have to be doing what the majority of people are doing, and by that time the hipsters have moved on to whatever is next to avoid becoming "cool".
"If everyone always wants to look different than everybody else, [then] everybody starts looking the same."
Whoa. Probably the most insightful thing I've read all year. Worthy of putting on a T-shirt and wearing around (like a hipster).
(It's turtles all the way down...)
we perform a service for society akin to that peformed by record or film studio executives - we watch shitty movies and listen to shitty music, so you don't have to.
Are you actually serious? How about starving the shitty movies and music out of the market by not giving them a fucking audience? You're part of the problem, not the solution.
... the more they look the same.
What I find interesting is the recurring appeal of not conforming.
It seems like nearly every iteration of non-conformity, from jazz-loving hipsters, to hippies, to the punks/alternatives, to the generally current crop of bearded hipsters ultimately becomes popular.
Some of this can be explained by people who adopt the facile elements of these trends merely to appear popular, but many of these flavors of non-conformity end up having fairly enduring influence over larger culture which seems to be outsize relative to the number of people consciously glomming on just for popularity.
Why do people seem so drawn to fringe, non-conformist cultures?
There are plenty of substantial reasons to partake. http://thelastpsychiatrist.com...
"Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com...
"Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
This paragraph alone is enough to make a +5 post:
Hipsterism is the practice of misdirection. Hipsters are lame people who have learned that attention is the scarcest human resource, so they can hide behind a few attention-grabbing quirks. It saves them from having to do anything actually interesting, useful or productive.
"Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
Why did the hipster burn his tongue? He sipped his tea before it was cool.
"Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
The name has changed, but not the substance. I saw more than I wish I had in the year I lived in San Francisco.
"Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
you can't shit a shitter. Typical hipster, simply turn the problem around by simply rephrasing it, with no real substance or meaning.
Add textiles to bearding hipsters and homeland security issues leap into existence and rise to the level of legitimate concern, right?
Has anyone noticed that during the Cold War, especially the 1950's that in order to defend individual liberty against Communism, one had to conform (wife, house, kids, consumerism, etc.). Communists used individualistic types (artists, writers, performers) to dangle "individuality" to deconform people from consumerism to reconform them into Communism.
Conform so that you may be free or be free that you may conform. In the former, the process never gets to the "free" part. The latter always completes. Human nature as it is results in the tyranny of market expectations or the tyranny of mastermind expectations.
One sports a beard, he is called a terrorist.
One is baldshaven, he is called a white supremacist.
One grows long hair, he is called a fleabag/hippie/DeadHead,etc.
One works out, he is called a jock
One develops interests in the machines that order society, he is called a geek, nerd, boffin, hacker, et cetera ad nauseam.
There are labels for every sort of person when said person attempts to distinguish oneself from the crowd. When one gets philosophical about individuality and starts calling people cattle, bovines, conformists, drones, lemming, TOOLS, etc., there are labels for that, smartmouth, troublemaker, watchlisted, etc.
Christy Wampole wrote an opinion piece on the hipster phenomenon a couple of years ago, which seems relevant to the discussion.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/opinionator/2012/11/17/how-to-live-without-irony/
I gave up on conformity a long time ago (I suck at it) but I didn't strive to be a non-conformist (I would have preferred to be normal).
Result? I've found that the opinions of others are all over the map. I stand still, they do the moving.
For example, there was a time when everybody was wearing these glasses with really narrow lenses, like horizontal strips of glass. I hated them. I wanted the kind of glasses I've always worn--thick frames, big lenses.
I get out to California, and for a year or two, people were complimenting my glasses.
Now nobody says anything about them.
Crap like that. I don't care. Then there are other, far more important things that matter... and if you are true to yourself, the rest of the world may or may not like you for it; but at least you don't hate yourself.
Anyway, as for the "hipster effect", maybe it just so happens that there are only so many generic categories. The odds that you'll really stand out for anything just aren't that great. In fact, the odds that you'll even be perceived as unique aren't that great. I've had people tell me I look like somebody I know on a number of occasions over the years. It has happened when I had short hair and a mustache. It has happened when I had long hair and was clean-shaven.
I care more about the price of gas.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
Why'd the hipster drown?
He went ice-skating before it was cool.
Could this be expanded and be taken as a mathematical refutation of postmodernism?
By definition they aren't interested in being cool, to be cool, you have to be doing what the majority of people are doing, and by that time the hipsters have moved on to whatever is next to avoid becoming "cool".
By the image they want, yes. By their actions, no.
"Before it is cool" is mutually exclusive with being cool, yet I have never heard of a hipster that would be caught dead in anything that wasn't cool.
Hipsters merely try to be extra sensitive to where the mainstream is heading and picking it up just before everyone and their mom has.
You know what we call people that does things before they are cool? Dorks, or possibly nerds. They are people who do things that aren't cool yet, or that never will be cool.
You must be a hipster, as your reply was ironically without any real substance or meaning.
Just like everyone else!
Another clue that hipsters have nothing interesting to say is their proclivity for using unconventional typography--such as eschewing capitalization--to draw attention away from the vacuity and falsehood of so much of what they say.
I want to turn this sentence into a song.
"Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
...want to look different *from* everyone else.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
If I were his coworker I'd sure be thrilled that he shows up to work every day all sweaty and starts to stink probably around 11am. And that all-natural deodorant-not-antiperspirant he likely uses sure doesn't help. People who bike to work tend to be the olfactory-oblivious type, in my experience (and a lot of people bike to work in here in NY).
I'm 41 with a gigantic oustache. I work in tech, live in San Francisco, like craft beer, and bike to work, all things associated with being a hipster (except my age). I don't define myself around my consumption habits; I just am. I like to bike. I like to drink craft beer. I like working in tech, and my facial hair rocks. It's the idiots out there like you who feel it's necessary to label folks different than themselves as " empty soulless yuppie shitheads." If you think that having a mustache or liking craft beer is what makes a person a shithead, then you are part of the problem.
Hmmm, you're pretty close. What size pants do you wear, and how often do you wear plaid?
Hipster != indie. Hell, Vampire Weekend isn't even indie. Hipsters are not prophets of "cool." They're not some required demographic to seek out lesser known media. They're the bandwagoners who jump on to the latest retro revival trend and pretend they're the only ones doing it and nobody else has ever heard of Can or Sonic Youth because their parents weren't playing those tapes. But even if mommy and daddy only listened to pop and 80s hair metal, at least they still paid your rent and gave you the financial freedom to express your counter-culturedness in a tastefully kitschy way. That's why we hate you. Miles and Monk were true first-definition hipsters, and they'd despise the lot of you posers.
I love it. Hipster-hate, in all it's forms, is the latest new thing! It's the latest trend.
What's wrong with hippster? ... I love hippster. Nerdyness becoming the über-chique. That's awesome. For once, fashion has caught up with nerd-culture and not the other way around. In the 80ies it was Grundge and oversized, today it's hippster. Different name, same thing, basically. I can get huge and stable plastic frame glasses that are sturdy, cheap and let me see everything and I'm right ahead with the avantgarde.
The best thing about it is, that if you want to dress extra classy, a *normal* suit and tie will do just fine, becaue everybody else is wearing chucks and NBs anyway. And, to be honest, girls all dressed up like chicas in high-heels and tons of makeup all day never was my thing. I thing they look really cute with their baggy smurf-woolen caps, doc martens and oversized parkas. ... It's all been there in the 60ies and 80ies already and I love it whenever it comes around.
Yay for Hippster!
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Is this some kind of Russell paradox for hipsterdom? You're not a hipster, but you're suffering righteous indignation as if you were, which is ironic, which makes you kind of a hipster, which means it's no longer ironic, so you're not a hipster. My brain is melting right now.
I don't have an iPhone, Mac, iPad, nor do I have a Prius or Mini.
More caricature than reality? You're living the caricature right in this post. You say you're performing a "service for society" and "shaping the future of culture", with no hint of irony whatsoever. No offense, mate, but if you don't understand why saying those things makes someone a dick, you'll never understand why people think hipsters are dicks. It's not because they're assholes in the sense of being rude or offensive, it's because they intrinsically embody an over-inflated sense of their own importance compared to everybody else in the culture. You just proved the fucking point with your own post.
or you could, you know, not be a 15-year-old with an existential social identity crisis at age 35. You could also stop defining yourself around your consumption habbits. the real problem with hipsters, is beneath the beard, beneath the "ironic" whatever, or whatever knickknacks, and chockskies, are still empty soulless yuppie shitheads.
tchotchkes
I'm a pretty good speller but I have trouble with that one.
Does your bike have more than one gear and brakes?
"... all things associated with being a poser.."
Fixed that for you.
In other words, youre trendy, you strive to fit in with a group and identify with a group rather than just be yourself and let the chips fall where they may.
Self conscious, insecure, superficial - going through (continuing?) puberty in your 40s is nothing to brag about, son. Perception is not reality.
Vampire Weekend sucks.
This is ridiculous. Youre applying a far too broad label to Hipster.
Hipster is anyone who concerns themselves with fads, trends, being "in", fitting in - the See and Be Seen crowd. They lift their pinkies as they sip their chai.
60's British Mods were "hipsters", 60s British Rockers were most definitely not.
Likewise, you might be able to make a case that in the US, the east-coast, Timothy Leary hippie scene were hipsters - but certainly not the mid west Grand Funk Railroad scene.
You could definitely call all the fucking 70s Disco assholes hipsters - you could not even come close to calling all the 70s rockers hipsters.
Another clue - there are almost no working class, blue collar Hipsters. There are really, but they wont admit it - its something to be ashamed of to a Hipster.
hipsters... it's a derangement problem.
Everything else is like alms, except for attention instead of money. The amount of vitriol directed at people for putting on a front to get noticed a little bit, is silly, when you consider what really matters in life. It might seem like a geek's pipe-dream, to think that the day will come when people are defined by what they do instead of what they consume. However, the truth is, that this day has already come, and in fact the (tiny) amount of attention we collectively pay to people for how they dress or spend their free time is just a pittance that we put forth to keep the world from being a very very hard place for most people to tolerate. So, I like hipsters a little, but mostly I am just concerned about myself and what I am doing or can do. I would probably espouse some hatred for their ilk conversationally, but I don't really mean it.
One walk through Williamsburgh and you will immediately see all the hipsters sporting beards (everything from stubble to full-on woodsman), retro 1960s style thick-framed glasses, and skinny jeans. Only an idiot would not notice they have been looking like everybody else for years. Hipster just want to look like the rest of their fringe group, while at the same time hoping nobody else catches on to their trend. It has nothing to do with this stupid cognitive delay mentioned by the article. People will begin to shift away from the hipster look when they're tired of it, not when they realize everybody else looks that way.
I've found the insane homeless look works for me
The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
Who cares? Looks are only skin deep anyway.
Quick, get on board the hipster-hate train, before it becomes uncool!
Man, I think it's already been uncool for like 6 months. Get with the times already!
In SF's climate, most days one doesn't really get sweaty from biking. (Please do not take this as an endorsement of craft beers and/or mustaches.)
But who would possibly need multiple gears, much less brakes, in one of the hilliest cities in America?
Sometimes I'll see a batty old lady in a crazy outfit, and I can't tell if she's an insane homeless person, or insane heiresses with a penthouse at the top of Russian Hill.
What is a "hipster" ; I see the word used about every couple of months, and I've always taken it to refer to a low slung type of jeans, though whether they're on men, women, or androgynes has never been clear. And so what a "hipster effect" I guess would be what we call "builders cleavage". In America, it may be called "butt cleavage" - I heard the term occasionally back in the 1980s.
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
thats kinda funny, because as much as hipsters hating being "judged for being diffrent", 90% of problems with hipsters stem from them making very harsh, but every empty judgements of other people based purely on asthetical or nonsensical reasons. In fact, the entire essence of being a "hipster" is "keeping up on the jones" too far on a never ending search to be "hip" enough, owning the right trinkets, chotchkies, knick-knacks, that have close to zero meaning or relivance. You go buy "obscure" music records, merely as material trophies. Of course, the people who have better things to do with their life than be a poser to all scenes are judged harshly for not being as "cool" as you, and never know what the fuck your talking about. This is something that is somewhat OK when your 15, mabey even 18 years old, and still trying to find yourself. Being a trendy bastard in high school might get you some scoffs from your fellow students, but as an adult, I see it as somewhat understandable for a teenager to do such things trying to prove and find 'emselves. Your 41 and still doing that. Thats pathetic.