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US Weather System and Satellite Network Hacked

mpicpp writes with this story about Chinese hackers breaching the federal weather network. "Hackers attacked the U.S. weather system in October, causing a disruption in satellite feeds and several pivotal websites. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, NOAA, said that four of its websites were hacked in recent weeks. To block the attackers, government officials were forced to shut down some of its services. This explains why satellite data was mysteriously cut off in October, as well as why the National Ice Center website and others were down for more than a week. During that time, federal officials merely stated a need for "unscheduled maintenance." Still, NOAA spokesman Scott Smullen insisted that the aftermath of the attack "did not prevent us from delivering forecasts to the public." Little more is publicly known about the attack, which was first revealed by The Washington Post. It's unclear what damage, if any, was caused by the hack. But hackers managed to penetrate what's considered one of the most vital aspects of the U.S. government. The nation's military, businesses and local governments all rely on nonstop reports from the U.S. weather service."

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  1. correct me please by zlives · · Score: 4, Interesting

    so did the NOAA get hacked or just 4 of their websites.

    1. Re:correct me please by Immerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed. An excellent headline, except for the fact that there's no mention of any hacked weather systems of satellite networks in the article. And it's been a long time since a hacked website was particularly newsworthy.

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    2. Re:correct me please by X0563511 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hacked websites never were.

      It's when the databases get breached that it becomes news.

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    3. Re:correct me please by neonv · · Score: 4, Informative

      From the article,

      The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, NOAA, said that four of its websites were hacked in recent weeks. To block the attackers, government officials were forced to shut down some of its services.

      ... NOAA makes satellite data and imagery available through the Web as well as file transfer networks for downloads.

      It was just the web sites, not satellites. This is far overblown.

  2. LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the NSA weren't so distracted by its mass surveillance of innocent US citizens it may have been able to prevent this from happening.

    1. Re:LOL by mars-nl · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was thinking exactly this (except that I was thinking about "citizens", not "US citizens").

      But really, why not stop complaining about China hacking US systems (usually with no evidence) and start getting to asses risks and fix your leaky systems. If billions of dollars poured into the NSA to eavesdrop on people were instead used for finding and fixing vulnerabilities, the USA would be a lot safer.

    2. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The NSA is unfortunately a necessary agency because every other country of note has agencies that have espionage programs targeting the US. The hysteria over some of the NSA programs and methods have made it look like the US is the only country with an active foreign intelligence service. Has anyone noticed that all the countries who loudly expressed their dismay over some the the NSA programs have went mute? I guess their intelligence services pulled the loud mouths aside and told them their intelligence services were actually cooperating and sharing information with the NSA so it's probably best you shut up. On the domestic side has there been any evidence of just one person whose rights have been violated by the NSA?

    3. Re:LOL by uncqual · · Score: 2

      My kingdom for mod points (I had them a few hours ago :()

      Commerce relies on the web feeds directly or indirectly (it may just be a contractor deciding if they will do Job A today [inside] or Job B today [Outside painting]). It would be nice if the government shutdown the data feed with message/press release "We have been compromised by hackers and are striving to harden our systems. Meanwhile, we have shutdown the feed. Please track our every four hour posts (or more frequently) at aaa.bbb.gov for updates on progress).

      On the other hand, try getting off the "no fly list" if you're a consultant with an unfortunate name (perhaps including Mohammad) who NEEDs to fly.

      The US government needs to get their priorities straight and focus on important stuff and be more transparent. Hint -- some dude smoking weed or selling it to their buddy probably isn't as important as securing critical government networks.

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    4. Re:LOL by uncqual · · Score: 2

      Really? In a world where responsible US web sites need to implement some sort of "we haven't gotten a national security letter in the last x seconds" sentinel in order to maintain their customers' trust and their own moral integrity?

      Yes, the NSA is a necessary agency. Your local police are also a necessary agency - but surely you don't think your local police agency should be able to shoot and kill anyone that they think might be suspicious "because they are a necessary agency".

      *EFFECTIVE* JUDICIAL OVERSIGHT AND PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY ARE CRITICAL TO SUCH AGENCIES IN A FREE COUNTRY.

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    5. Re:LOL by jfengel · · Score: 2

      Well... while there sure as hell is a problem of China's state-operated hacking, it's not going away any time soon. We're not going to war over it (either physically or economically) and any treaty we signed to deal with it wouldn't be worth the paper it's written on. While I'd love to see the Chinese at least commit to removing the line item in their budget that says, "30 gazillion yuan for breaking into American computers", they'd surely just rename it and the actual hackers would do no more than change the project number on their time cards.

      So yeah, you have to harden your web sites, and start thinking about our protocols in ways designed to make it easy to recognize and divert hackers, because the hackers aren't going away. We can blame them all we like, and be right, but that and $2.99 will get you a tall latte.

  3. False weather forecasting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I mean, who would even notice.

    1. Re:False weather forecasting? by sconeu · · Score: 2

      We could use some of that in CA.

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  4. It's obviously a conspiracy by BenSchuarmer · · Score: 2

    to fake data for global warming or keep us from finding out about chem trails or keep us from finding out about space aliens or something like that.

  5. Re:More funding please by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is very easy to see how this happens. "US Government" computers don't come from the same pile. There is no centralized, underground server farm protected by SEAL teams and NSA contractors, powered by triply redundant nuclear reactors and run through six proxies. It is thousands of separate systems run by agencies how often are pretty strapped for cash, often have systems that haven't been updated in decades and often run by people who don't live and breath security.

    So it's no real surprise that NOAA (which could be a poster child for those underfunded, overstretched agencies) got hacked. Probably happens more times than anybody knows. Certainly is happening more times than anybody is saying.

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  6. Always the Chinese Hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    No Evidence what so ever that it is Chinese hackers, but we have a hunch so we'll report it as fact.

  7. Great American firewall for China?? by kualla · · Score: 2

    Maybe the USA needs to build a firewall that blocks all of China.... What I don't get, is how do we always know it is China, when all they need to do is use some VPN's and proxies to hide their location? They can break into satellites and every damn other thing, yet they don't take 2 seconds to hide their trail. Makes me think China is an easy scape-goat, otherwise China is giving a big middle finger to the US... Or maybe another country wants the USA to get pissed at China, by making the attacks all look like they are coming from China.

  8. Dysfunctional NOAA by PineHall · · Score: 2

    It seems that NOAA's administration has become dysfunctional. They should have notified Commerce Department Inspector General immediately but they did not. I wonder why they felt they had to shut down a variety of data feeds. Minimal impact they claim but there was definitely an impact. Money has been tight for them but Congress gave them $25 million for a new supercomputer. That was 18 months ago and it looks like nothing has been done on that front. They will lose the money in September 2015 if they don't do something. You can sign a petition asking the Whitehouse to get them to spend the money for that needed supercomputer.

  9. Re:Propaganda by praxis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is no country that engages in so much propaganda and spying on monumental levels as the U.S; if it comes out of the mouth of the U.S government, be skeptical.

    You should travel the world more.

  10. Obligatory XKCD by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 4, Interesting

    XKCD did it first
    (Seriously, is there a geek-topic that guy hasn't written a cartoon about?)

    1. Re:Obligatory XKCD by TangoMargarine · · Score: 2

      It's a wonder he hasn't done one yet about people posting "obligatory xkcd" strips everywhere.

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  11. weather models actually impacted by Lord+Satri · · Score: 2

    Not true, not "just websites" were impacted. I work for a non-US national meteorological center. Those recent hacks meant for us that important satellite data that was usually provided by the NOAA suddenly stopped being accessible, having real impacts on weather forecasting quality. It took a few days to find alternatives. We learned and are in the process of making certain that such a situation does not happen once again. In other words, for some major 'foreign' weather forecasting operations, the impacts were real and important, not overblown as you state.

    Unrelated, Slashdot's commenting system sucks in mobile devices... We can't quote or even see the original comments while replying... And the comment box doesn't resize while replying, we can't even review our own replies! Lots of room for improvement...