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How YouTube Music Key Will Redefine What We Consider Music

First time accepted submitter Biswa writes YouTube launched its ad-free subscription music service called MusicKey. today. From the TechCrunch article: "YouTube finally unveiled its subscription music service today, and in some ways it’s very much like existing streaming music services, especially since it comes bundled with Google Play Music All Access. But YouTube Music Key also very much not like other streaming music services, because of the ways in which music is (or rather isn’t) defined on YouTube. One of the first questions I had about Google Music Key was how the company would define what kind of content from YouTube gets included: Would a home-shot cover of a Black Keys song with 253 views be as ad-free as the official music video for the original? Or was this a private club, designed for the traditionally defined music industry? Turns out, the nature of what Music Key encompasses is somewhat of a moving target, and the limited beta access that will initially gate entry to the service is in part due to that variability."

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  1. "Limited beta access" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Limited beta access" is a shitty marketing tactic that got old and stale several years ago.

    The last time it worked was when Google launched Gmail.

    Now, even Joe Sixpack knows that "beta" means inferior, so almost everyone will wait for the real launch, by which time their service is old news and not widely reported on.

    1. Re:"Limited beta access" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't know if Google even have a Marketing Department. You know, the kind that is allowed to pay for TV adverts, billboards etc.

      How many great Google projects are dead because nobody knew they existed?

    2. Re: "Limited beta access" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google seems to work most of the time on a "build it and see if they come"-strategy, if people flock to it because it's amazing and fills a wide need, it's because it's worth keeping.

    3. Re:"Limited beta access" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.

      They should just name this service Cartmanland

    4. Re: "Limited beta access" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. There was a time when I thought that this was a clever and innovative strategy.

      Now I'm older and more cynical, it seems more like arrogance on the part of Google. It's like they believe that everything exists in "Googleworld", and the magical association with Google will make every project a success.

      Sorry Google, normal people don't think you're amazing any more.

    5. Re:"Limited beta access" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if Google even have a Marketing Department. You know, the kind that is allowed to pay for TV adverts, billboards etc.

      How many great Google projects are dead because nobody knew they existed?

      Do you honestly think that the largest advertising company in the world does not have a marketing department?

      Here's a TV spot for Google:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4vkVHijdQk

    6. Re:"Limited beta access" by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Marketing is not advertising

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    7. Re: "Limited beta access" by doccus · · Score: 1

      His "High Googleness" has no clothes?

  2. Sweet, wait, huh? by Nyder · · Score: 3

    Not exactly sure what the summary was saying, other then another online music service. I still prefer my music on my computer, or media devices, then streaming.

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    1. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by mwvdlee · · Score: 3

      I too prefer to own what I buy.

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    2. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You buy music?

      It's art. You cant _own_ art, man.

    3. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think its trying to say that the streaming service will push deep into YouTube, so that YouTube will feel like an annoying appendage to Music Key, rather than as a stand alone video sharing service.

      A bit like how Yahoo!'s web indexing became subservient to it portal service.

    4. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I, as well... and I don't pay for websites. But I do pay for Pandora. But I don't think of it like I'm paying for the music... I think of it as Paying for what Pandora does, which is sort and find music related to my tastes. I've been introduced to artists I'd have no other way of finding through Pandora. Sometimes it's very, very, wrong... but other times I'm really amazed that I missed an artist for years.

      What's Youtube going to offer? It sounds like just some more youtube... no thanks.

    5. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by flyneye · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It was a shill for a pay service. If you want to PAY for what is free elsewhere.
      Personally, I wouldn't pay for it. Chances are, the band who wrote it and plays it will never see the money, it goes directly to the owners of the song; the music industry. So, if you pay for music, you are actually encouraging an industry that steals intellectual property, rips off the artist and in most cases discards the artist after their peak of profit dwindles. Artists could do without the industry by simply giving away their music, as promotional, and charging to play live. No industry needed for this scenario. This is the age of the internet, the do-it-yourselfer, the tools are within everyones reach. A band doesn't need an industry, maybe a few friends to help is all, that is needed. Fuck the industry. Don't pay for music, it only encourages the middlemen to pump up the price and rip EVERYONE off, while contributing nothing of any real value. It is a parasite. Don't pay for music.

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    6. Re: Sweet, wait, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it comes with Google Play All Access which does what Pandora does as well as let you listen to full albums. Considering its the same price, I'd say it's the better deal.

    7. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by lordbeejee · · Score: 2

      It was a shill for a pay service. If you want to PAY for what is free elsewhere. Personally, I wouldn't pay for it. Chances are, the band who wrote it and plays it will never see the money, it goes directly to the owners of the song; the music industry. So, if you pay for music, you are actually encouraging an industry that steals intellectual property, rips off the artist and in most cases discards the artist after their peak of profit dwindles. Artists could do without the industry by simply giving away their music, as promotional, and charging to play live. No industry needed for this scenario. This is the age of the internet, the do-it-yourselfer, the tools are within everyones reach. A band doesn't need an industry, maybe a few friends to help is all, that is needed. Fuck the industry. Don't pay for music, it only encourages the middlemen to pump up the price and rip EVERYONE off, while contributing nothing of any real value. It is a parasite. Don't pay for music.

      Because by not paying the artists will get more money?

    8. Re: Sweet, wait, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of argument is that? If Youtube can present exactly how much the artist gets, then I might consider paying. Until then, no thanks.

    9. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by jitterman · · Score: 1

      Honest question: Why choose Pandora over Spotify, when you can choose entire albums with Spotify? I really am curious, not criticizing your choice.

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    10. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's Youtube going to offer? It sounds like just some more youtube... no thanks.

      Not quite, it is LESS youtube since they plan on squeezing out the independent musicians and delete their videos. [[http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/05/22/1224237/google-using-youtube-threat-as-leverage-for-cheaper-streaming-rights]]

    11. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's art. You cant _own_ art, man.

      I can. But that's because I'm not a penniless hippie!

    12. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 2

      Probably because Pandora is less expensive. Spotify is much better, which is why I switched, but someone with a very limited income might prefer to spend $5 less on Pandora.

    13. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by jitterman · · Score: 1

      That makes sense. It's the exact reason why I use the unpaid versions of both :); why I have Netflix instead of cable; etc. etc. Thanks for the response.

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    14. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by tepples · · Score: 1

      Because Pandora reached the United States market before Spotify did.

    15. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by tepples · · Score: 1

      I still prefer my music on my computer, or media devices, then streaming.

      How much does it cost to fill a media device with purchased music? Major music publishers and record labels have tended to license streaming at a much lower royalty than ownership.

    16. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I too prefer to own what I steal*.

      Ftfy.

      * Of course, if that sounds too harsh, then you may insert your euphemism of choice.

    17. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Artists should be paid by performance, not from licensing. The age of limited copying is over, their model is dead.

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    18. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Thats why you pirate it instead. Musicians should be paid for performing, not licensing. Nothing beats having a local copy.

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    19. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You buy music?

      It's art. You cant _own_ art, man.

      The Rothschilds may beg to differ.

    20. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I too prefer to own what I steal*.

      Ftfy.

      * Of course, if that sounds too harsh, then you may insert your euphemism of choice.

      Just out of curiosity, do you consider photocopying theft? I still remember a time when any photocopying (even just one page) was considered theft of copyrighted material. New technologies do have a way of blurring the lines, you know.

    21. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I too prefer to own what I steal*.

      Ftfy.

      * Of course, if that sounds too harsh, then you may insert your euphemism of choice.

      Just out of curiosity, do you consider photocopying theft? I still remember a time when any photocopying (even just one page) was considered theft of copyrighted material. New technologies do have a way of blurring the lines, you know.

      That depends. Photocopying an entire book instead of buying the book is prety clear copyright infringment.

      Photocopying portions of a book you own for "personal use" is different, juts like ripping your DVD to your hard drive for personal use is different from hitting up the pirate bay to avoid buying/renting a video.

    22. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Because by not paying the artists will get more money?

      It'll get them the exact same, and keep more money in your pocket.

    23. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by flyneye · · Score: 1

      Artists that modify their business model will get more money.

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    24. Re:Sweet, wait, huh? by flyneye · · Score: 1

      Exactly.
      For further reference; http://www.negativland.com/new...
      An insiders view of the industry to sweep away your sunshiney delusion about how things really work.

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  3. My favorite song is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too Many Cooks. Now I can listen to it on repeat forever.

    1. Re: My favorite song is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I almost downmodded that because I thought that said "Too many COCKS"

    2. Re: My favorite song is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bukkake fan ?

      u can never have 2 many cumshots !

  4. How indeed by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How YouTube Music Key Will Redefine What We Consider Music

    In no way, shape or form.

    However, the actual question is quite more interesting:

    How will YouTube redefine what THEY consider music, now that they get to ask for money for the items included in their new definition?

    Or, in other words, will people be forced to replace the music in their skateboard stunt video with humming and whistling to avoid their video from being paywalled?

    1. Re:How indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you actually tried humming and whistling on a video?

      Those fuckers at WMG would claim all rights to the sound of me taking a shit.

    2. Re:How indeed by Thanshin · · Score: 2

      Those fuckers at WMG would claim all rights to the sound of me taking a shit.

      If you find that unfair you clearly don't follow current trends in pop music.

  5. Yay piracy by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I suspect torrenting of music to increase because of this. Can't force the market to pay for what it doesn't think it has to pay for.

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    1. Re:Yay piracy by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      I still want to believe that there are honest people who think that the artists and producers should be paid properly for their cool music and hard work.

    2. Re:Yay piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you also still want to believe that the content-serving middlemen will pass that proper payment on down the line?

    3. Re:Yay piracy by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Sadly, I don't. Although that's still not a reason to pirate. Piracy gives always the wrong message: that you don't want to pay anyone anything.

    4. Re:Yay piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still want to believe that there are honest people who think that the artists and producers should be paid properly for their cool music and hard work.

      Yes, there are. I am one of those honest people, even though I DO get a lot of music via Torrent. If I really like an artist or band, I will go see them LIVE at some small venue, and buy their merch directly from them, or order it from their website. I even buy CDs and vinyl from retail vendors like Amazon or AcousticSounds, if that is the only way to show support. I will NEVER pay money to any third-party streaming service for music - not even satellite radio, since the actual artist doesn't see shit from that anyway.

      If I want to discover NEW music that I have never heard, I listen to College Radio stations. There are HUNDREDS of them streaming for free online, and most of them are commercial free. Many of them suck, but some are VERY professional sounding in product and presentation.

      If it weren't for College Radio, I would not know about some of my current favorites, like Fitz and The Tantrums, Arctic Monkeys, Banks, Max Frost, Andrew McMahon, and Glass Animals.

    5. Re:Yay piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Show me the starving superstar first before putting that false argument forward. Yeah other artists have a hard time getting paid - because no one wants to listen to their crap. No one pirates it either. But how many billions does Taylor Swift need? Oh darn I downloaded one of her songs I couldn't find the CD for. Sue me.

  6. As a person of good taste... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am Greek (and an amateur musician) and i spend a lot of time in YouTube listening Greek music (and as a person of good taste traditional music from all over the world... that means usualy no USA/English pop/rock/e.t.c.!), plus i like covers (and as a person of good taste from good amateur musician... as a good cover i can even tolarate USA/English pop/rock/e.t.c.!) - so, if this ad-free subscription is for the usual USA/English pop/rock/e.t.c. stuff then no subscription from me, BUT if they include real music (!) then even a broke Greek like me will consider it.

  7. Google + Ad-free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hahahahahah. Those word in the same sentence, oh my sides, thanks for the laugh!

    1. Re: Google + Ad-free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google is ad free when you pay for it. Think business apps or custom domains. You just never knew that because you're a cheap entitled bastatd who expects these companies to give you everything for free yet complains when they find a way to give you exactly that (by selling ads)

  8. yet another duplication of what's out there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    nothing new, no need for it, just so Google can claim their piece of pie in this industry over what they already had.

    Here's what the pie is. The pie is a market. The pie is cuttable into unlimited slices. Who gets the pie, depends on if they get into the market. Getting into the market guarantees them a slice of the pie. This is why Google entered the market. Because of capitalism, gobbling up as much pie as possible is always desired, even if it's unnecessary and duplicates what's already out there a million times over.

    I have yet to see anyone in most markets for pie innovate. It's a system of cloning each other, selling the same things, doing the same things, simply using their own servers and system, putting their names on it. I'm still waiting for the audio industry to make it to HD, uncompressed high resolution audio for streaming and digital sales, but it will never come because everyone is selling the same product and there apparently is no incentive for them to try to improve or do anything differently.

    http://www.obamasweapon.com/

    1. Re:yet another duplication of what's out there by RDW · · Score: 1

      Here's what the pie is. The pie is a market. The pie is cuttable into unlimited slices. Who gets the pie, depends on if they get into the market. Getting into the market guarantees them a slice of the pie. This is why Google entered the market. Because of capitalism, gobbling up as much pie as possible is always desired, even if it's unnecessary and duplicates what's already out there a million times over.

      I don't understand! Do you have a car analogy?

      Also, does this mean no more free pie? Will google crack down on Youtube downloaders and ad blockers that already give naughty, naughty people most of the advantages of this service for free..?

    2. Re:yet another duplication of what's out there by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      I don't understand! Do you have a car analogy?

      Of course. Here's what the car is. The car is a market. The car is cuttable into unlimited slices. Who gets the car, depends on if they get into the market. Getting into the market guarantees them a slice of the car. This is why Google entered the market. Because of capitalism, gobbling up as much car as possible is always desired, even if it's unnecessary and duplicates what's already out there a million times over.

    3. Re:yet another duplication of what's out there by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      What are you comparing the music industry to a pie? Are you Jim Gaffigan?

  9. Need a hit with a clue by four by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Duh - If Google is licensing music, they're not going to every mom and pop / indie artist and cutting a deal. They're negotiating with the top level rights holders so - yes, this is going to be high radio-play stuff. Now, if your weird-ass Greek experimentalist music publishers approach Google and ask for the shitty-deal-small-artist agreement, they'll be in. But don't expect Google to go trolling the shallows for artists who aren't generating millions of views.

    1. Re:Need a hit with a clue by four by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      When i wrote about Greek music i did not meant "weird-ass Greek experimentalist music publishers" (as you write) but Greek traditional music that was published from big Greek record companies (back from early 1900) and the rights are worth something (not as much as USA/English pop/rock/e.t.c. but still...) even today - examples (that i listened few minutes before this story published in slashdot):
      1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReCQf3nToi4
      2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSl7bfd882k
      3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T45jERPZOeo
      The "mom and pop / indie artist" (as you write) would be that (that i also listened few minutes before this story published in slashdot): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atmbyYtGF9c
      Those (all 4 examples) "aren't generating millions of views" but worth something because Greeks like me, while few compared to those that listen the usual USA/English pop/rock/e.t.c., are ready to pay for good (!) music - and since i listen to non-Greek traditional music very often (e.g., i love Korean traditional music, "arirangs", etc: ) i am ready to pay even for that.
      I think that "generating millions of views" is not the most important factor for YouTube in this business decision.
      For example, this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jKZCjvyLeg) is one of many great Korean song that i -a Greek- would suscribe to YouTube if included, imagine a Korean!

    2. Re:Need a hit with a clue by four by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was amazing. I can totally see how that "music" could be used as a form of torture, and just about anyone would acquiesce.

  10. Why switch from your current music streaming? by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    Well, if Google includes Google Play Music, and you also watch a lot of youtube, you'll pay the same price as you're currently getting for all-you-can-eat streaming, plus get rid of the ads on Youtube. Otherwise it seems like a pretty stiff price for ad avoidance.

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    1. Re:Why switch from your current music streaming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when does youtube has ads? It's been years since I saw any ad on the internet.

    2. Re:Why switch from your current music streaming? by tepples · · Score: 1

      When you set up a new computer or a new user account on an existing computer, how do you make sure you don't see any ads on the way to download the ad blocker software?

    3. Re:Why switch from your current music streaming? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Shh, that "hosts" guy will go nuts on you.

  11. Hubris. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It will redefine how what we consider music, eh?

    Seems unlikely. Music will continue to be a cllection of notes and/or beats for some time to come, I think.

    Having read TFA, I'm still not sure what it is except that is picks a playlist for you and google reserve the tight to decice what's on the playlist. I've no idea how it narrows it down to your taste.

    I guess Ad-free is nice. I've actually started listening to streaming music recently rather than local copies so I get ads. It's a bit odd since it's a local station fro a place I used ot live, so I get to hear all about "Bob's trucks off the access road" or "Trujillo's Plumbing Supplies" for stuff near a city several thousand miles from where I live. I don't find them nearly so bothersome as I thought.

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    1. Re:Hubris. by gsslay · · Score: 1

      I don't think I will ever consider music as videos. That is what YouTube does; videos. Music is sound, it is not visuals. This is a fundamental difference that is not up for redefining.

  12. Boo-tube by MagickalMyst · · Score: 1

    Boo-tube.

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  13. redefined by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

    It's redefining music as in: Thank you for your subscription fee! Here's a cat video. No refunds!

  14. No by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    I can say unequivocally that YouTube will not redefine what I consider music.

     

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    1. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. YouTube? Oh yes that the place with a Gazillion, Gazillion Cat Videos.

      Music on YouTube? Oh yes, maybe if you are into the likes of MileCirus and One Direction.
      For others, not a chance.

      As for streaming music? Why? Why should I do that? Come on someone please tell me why I should pay to stream the same tracks that I already have in my collection?

    2. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention you'd have to pay to stream it as well - at least I would. I generally only listen to music in my car on way to/from someplace, which would mean a huge phone bill for streaming music - something I do not need to do since I can store vast amounts of audio on my phone. The video would be completely useless to me as I drive down the road.

    3. Re:No by tepples · · Score: 1

      Come on someone please tell me why I should pay to stream the same tracks that I already have in my collection?

      You wouldn't. You'd pay to stream music that you happen not to have added to your collection yet.

    4. Re:No by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      The sad thing about it is that requiring people to pay for streams of YouTube music would mean a lot of people would not be exposed to a lot of music that they'd otherwise learn about through a video.

      For example, here's a terrific video of Sarah Vaughan singling "September in the Rain" with her incredibly hot backing trio from a live at Mr Kelly's recording. I might not have gone so far deep into Vaughan's catalog, nor would I have developed such a love of jazz vocalists if not for this video.

      http://youtu.be/7iVjcMDPC14

      If someone hadn't sent me a link to a video of Bad Plus playing a few years ago, I might never have heard of them. Today, they're maybe my favorite jazz group (and drummer Dave King is the best of the best).

      http://youtu.be/8I7fLH9Bzn4

      If I hadn't accidentally stumbled onto a video by Deerhunter some years back, I might have missed out on what is now one of my favorite bands.

      http://youtu.be/jPr4JIG_kak

      I've spent money buying all of the above artists after being exposed through videos. How much is that worth as opposed to me never having heard them at all?

      Also, and in no particular order:

      This lost video from the Mills Brothers (dig the crazy dancing):

      http://youtu.be/14QEoEIvUuk

      Or this one of Anita O'Day knocking it out of park at the Newport Jazz Festival, 1958 (From the amazing documentary Jazz on a Summer's Day)

      http://youtu.be/rRleR-e8_t8?t=...

      Or Iggy and the Stooges from 1970:

      http://youtu.be/_SD-uF8uisA (Though, to be fair, I had this album when it came out in 1970, when a 13 year-old Pope Ratzo hitchhiked to Cleveland to see Iggy at the Agora Ballroom where the concert ended with him covered in peanut butter and blood and the entire audience with permanent hearing loss. I'm pretty sure I ate human flesh that night. Anway, all that aside, there's almost certainly some neuroatypical kid out there somewhere whose life will be transformed by stumbling upon this cut on YouTube and who will go on to become the Leader of the Free World.)

      And I certainly would never have bought an album of Yo Yo Ma and Chris Thile if I hadn't heard this luminous cut first on YouTube.

      http://youtu.be/d-31e8Nlujw

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  15. The answer by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

    How YouTube Music Key Will Redefine What We Consider Music

    The answer, of course, is "not at all."

    What a bloody stupid headline.

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    1. Re:The answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No points today, but here's a "me too" Amen to that!

  16. Ten bucks a month by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    Nope. I'll carry on with free Pandora and my own collection, thanks. I really don't see a $120 annual bill appealing to the same stressed economic group that is now 'cable-cutting'.

    Plus buying music from YouTube just sounds like the equivalent to shopping at Dollar General: embarrassing.

    1. Re:Ten bucks a month by tepples · · Score: 1

      How much do you spend per year to (lawfully) add to your "own collection"?

    2. Re:Ten bucks a month by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Lawfully could include the original length of copyright, being 14+14. It depends on what law you are referring to. The Constitution's definition of lawful copyright length is the only sane one we have. The rest are QUITE clearly bought and paid for law. Lawfully does not mean its right, only that those in power decided they have the ability to punish you.

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    3. Re:Ten bucks a month by tepples · · Score: 1

      It depends on what law you are referring to.

      The United States Constitution and the Copyright Act of 1976 enacted pursuant thereto, as amended by the Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998 and interpreted by the Supreme Court in Eldred v. Ashcroft.

      The Constitution's definition of lawful copyright length is the only sane one we have.

      The copyright clause in article I section 8 of the Constitution states only "for limited Times", and the Supreme Court exercised its power under article III to rule that any copyright term that is finite at any point in time qualifies, so long as the Congress doesn't engage in an overt pattern of legislation to ensure that copyright never expires. And no, the interim extension bills from 1962 to the Copyright Act of 1976, which totaled 19 years of extension, don't count as such a pattern because they all had the same goal of harmonizing the U.S. copyright term to that of the Berne Convention that the U.S. was working toward joining. This left a period from the end of 1981 to the end of 1997 when copyrights were still expiring.

      Lawfully does not mean its right, only that those in power decided they have the ability to punish you.

      I have an idea: Once you turn 25 or if you have already turned 25, convince all the constituents of your district of this fact and run for the House.

    4. Re:Ten bucks a month by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      as i said, that law was bought and paid for by special interests. It does not and should not represent lawful copyright. Your appeal to authority doesnt make it right, only legal.

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    5. Re:Ten bucks a month by tepples · · Score: 1

      Until such special interests lose their influence over the entity with a monopoly on violence, what should end users do to avoid or evade the consequences of what is not legal? And to return to my original question, how much do you spend on these measures to mitigate the consequences of illegally adding to your "own collection"?

  17. Bad assumption by msobkow · · Score: 0

    Most of what gets posted to YouTube in the first place doesn't qualify as "music", especially what gets posted by the labels.

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    1. Re:Bad assumption by msobkow · · Score: 1

      Funny thing is, I'm *not* one who just considers "my generation's" music to be music. I listen to stuff ranging from 1920's blues and jazz on up through big band, "classic" 50's rock, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, and even some '00s. But I haven't heard a *new* band that I actually like in about 10 years.

      But more to the point is the fact that most of YouTube's content is cat videos, how-to guides, and people doing dumb shit on a dare. Very little of what I "watch" on YouTube is "music", and most of the music I "watch" is illegal copies of old tunes that would get YouTube/Google in trouble if they tried to charge to access it.

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  18. How many? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many services does Google actually have?

    I am losing track of everything they offer. And often times they have products that overlap..... like Chromecast and Nexus TV (I think that is what it is called?), Android TV, Google TV.....all slightly different products but all have 1 purpose: to monitor what you watch......

    Hangouts and Google Messeger...

    Anyways also it seems like they are also not innovating any more (I guess you can always make the argument of when did they ever)..... They are basically trying to copy every service out there that anybody offers, but always end up trying to do it their way...usually inferior to the original product...

  19. ad-free subscription music service by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    >> ad-free subscription music service

    Heh. For now. (See cable TV.)

  20. Google must be getting old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instead of ads, music posted to YouTube will be now be constantly interrupted by the avatar of a curmudgeonly old man railing against how music has been redefined.

    Music? You call this music? This is just noise! Back when I was a lad music had a TUNE! You kids with your YouStream tubes don't even know you're born! When I wanted to listen to music I had to schlep down to the bus stop to catch the charabanc, it'd know to stop if you tied an onion to your belt, you'd pay seven decigrunnions and it'd drive uphill both ways in the snow to the gramaphonorium. Anyway one morning.... [continues ad infinitum]

    Actually looking back that makes more sense than the spamvertisingly nonsensical headline/summary.

  21. The one thing I still use YouTube for by istartedi · · Score: 1

    The one thing I still use YouTube for is music. Sometimes you just get an album cover and the song. Sometimes lyrics. Sometimes you get the original video, if it hasn't been taken down. If they put all that behind a paywall, I'll do without for a while and then chose something else that's music-only. The video was just a nice add-on.

    I was never a heavy participant on YouTube, uploading just a couple rather lame videos before... wait for it... Google demanded my phone number. That's what made me stop logging in. I just didn't have that desperate a desire to participate

    So. Real ID turned me into a passive user. Demands for money will just make me go away.

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  22. Getting charged negative dollars for cable by tepples · · Score: 1

    Netflix instead of cable

    Without cable Internet, how are you connecting to Netflix? Or with cable Internet, how are you saving any money?

    1. Re:Getting charged negative dollars for cable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone forgot all about DSL.

    2. Re:Getting charged negative dollars for cable by tepples · · Score: 1

      Since when can Netflix compress high-definition video into the 768 kbps of DSL?

    3. Re:Getting charged negative dollars for cable by jitterman · · Score: 2

      To be fair, I should have been clearer. I have Cox Cable in the southeastern US, and the cost for cable Internet access is about $62/month; add TV (with DVR rental) and you're looking at another $150~$200. No thanks. Between free content on Youtube, Hulu, and "broadcast" networks (ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC), and only $8 for Netflix, I'm happy with what I get for the price point. If you like live sports that's really the only big down side.

      Ultimately, it's a total of $70 for all the goodies I can consume on the Internet each month, no data limits, etc. Also, Cox has been surprisingly good as an ISP in general; our bandwidth (DL speeds) were just doubled for zero cost, and in this case it actually WAS noticeable. If the chart that was widely publicized about how ComCast dicked over its subscribers until Netflix ponied up is accurate, Cox's internet division is one of the rare almost-good guys in the USA's ISP world.

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    4. Re:Getting charged negative dollars for cable by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      My DSL is 35 Down 5 Up

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    5. Re:Getting charged negative dollars for cable by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      VDSL2+ is out (and has been for years). The original DSL was much slower. Yes, the connections I had in the '90s wouldn't do HD. But I've seen 70/30 (as an unusually high, but real) connection for current DSL technology.

  23. I see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see class action lawsuits coming as Google monetizes people's works without listening or paying.

    1. Re:I see by tepples · · Score: 1

      YouTube already provides a means to contest a Content ID claim. If that fails, the uploader could always upload the video somewhere other than YouTube.

  24. Paying to download ads by tepples · · Score: 1

    expects these companies to give you everything for free yet complains when they find a way to give you exactly that (by selling ads)

    The problem comes when the ad network serves video ads on a text and still image site. Thus the ads outweigh the rest of the page in download size. And at $10/GB for Internet access away from home and restaurants (source: any U.S. cell carrier's web site), it starts costing the viewer a substantial amount just to download the ads.

  25. Videos contain sound by tepples · · Score: 1

    Let me rephrase: A video on YouTube is a series of pictures with synchronized sound. Which videos' sound tracks fall within the scope of Music Key?

  26. who needs this crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my phone has a 32gb sd card which isn't big anymore

    if I filled even 10% of that with music, thats around 60 hours straight without having to repeat, much more if I lowered the quality to "good enough for earbuds"

    why would anyone need an a service to store music for them when they can store everything they could ever want to listen to in their pocket?

  27. Redefine what we consider music? by PPH · · Score: 1

    Yoko Ono already did that.

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  28. Live performance by genre by tepples · · Score: 1

    Musicians should be paid for performing, not licensing.

    Not all musical genres are well suited to live performance. How would, say, a producer of electronic dance music put on a live performance?

    1. Re:Live performance by genre by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      I would say, find a way to play live versus being propped up by artificial monopoly. This argument is not nearly strong enough to continue the abuse that is 21st Century copyright.

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    2. Re:Live performance by genre by tepples · · Score: 1

      Without copyright, how should movie producers fund their businesses? Showings in a movie theater can be telesynced. Or ought they to go back to live plays?

    3. Re:Live performance by genre by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      In a dance club? They do it all the time.

    4. Re:Live performance by genre by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      They DJ in a club.

    5. Re:Live performance by genre by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      There have been a number of "free" movies made, or movies pre-funded by crowdsourced funds. Copyright didn't change whether they would get made. Your argument differs from reality.

    6. Re:Live performance by genre by tepples · · Score: 1

      There have been a number of "free" movies made, or movies pre-funded by crowdsourced funds.

      I'm aware of the Blender Foundation's short films. But when I put crowdfunded movies into Google, followed by crowdfunded free movies, I didn't see any feature-length films that were made free as in free culture, such as CC BY or CC BY-SA, after the film was funded and produced. Am I missing something?

    7. Re:Live performance by genre by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Most are copyright encumbered. But are made with no money. Fan fiction and the like. Had there been no copyright, they'd be more free to make them. More "free" movies would be made without copyright than are made with it. It's copyright holding back uncopyrighted works.

  29. I Pay For Records by sudon't · · Score: 1

    I pay for records. The internet is free. I guess I'm old-fashioned.

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  30. Music Key is for ad-free by tepples · · Score: 1

    As far as I can tell, these videos will still play, though they will have ads and may be blocked on devices other than a desktop or laptop computer with Adobe Flash Player.

    1. Re:Music Key is for ad-free by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      So, it'll just be the Taylor Swift and Coldplay that will require payments?

      OK. That's fine. As long as "All About the Bass" is still available for free, because I love sport fishing.

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