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Group Tries To Open Source Seeds

jenwike writes The Open Source Seed Initiative is a passionate group that wants to ensure their seeds are never patented, but making sure seeds are free for use and distribution by anyone isn't as easy as you might think. Part of the equation are plant characteristics, like an extended head on lettuce — is that an invention? Or, would you argue that it is the product of the collective sharing of material that improves the whole crop over time? In this report, one farmer says, "If you're not exchanging germplasm, you're cutting your own throat."

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  1. Quote by Traxton1 · · Score: 2

    "If you're not exchanging germplasm, you're cutting your own throat."

    That's what I always say too! Except for here it might actually make sense.

  2. Story I heard as a kid by Stargoat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My people were farmers. There was a story I was told as a kid.

    A farmer went on a long journey. When he came back, he had a new corn seed. He planted it and had yields 50 bushels per acre higher he had last year and it was much higher than all his neighbors. His neighbors wanted to buy seed from the farmer. He refused to sell it to him.

    The next year, the farmer's yield was only 35 bushels per acre better than his neighbors. Every year it decreased, until his yield per acre was back at the original amount.

    The moral of the story is twofold. First, crops germinate.

    Second, a rising tide raises all boats if you let it. Just because your neighbors also have more grain doesn't mean you'll have less. With more grain, you can raise more head of cattle, have more chickens, reduce the amount of grain and begin raising vegetables. Even if the price of grain declines, the amount you can do with that grain should offset the decline.

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    1. Re:Story I heard as a kid by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yea no...

      In farming, a rising tide tanks the commodities market and all the boats sink at the same time.

      Take a look at the price of corn over the past couple of years. First there was a drought through much of the midwest... so yields were low for corn and hay. This drove the price of feed through the roof. I saw hay going for $7 to $10 a bail... the highest I've ever seen. It was so expensive that it cost more to feed animals through the winter than the animals were worth. Farmers slaughtered their herds en-mass. That drove the price of beef through the floor, making breeders cut back on their investments. Which lead to this year, no one wanted beef cattle because the price was so low... there were already tiny herds due to the price of feed and the mass slaughter last fall... then we got record rainfall this year. As a result there's way way way too much grain this year. The price of corn is at an all time low. So low that most of the corn around here is still in the field. Farmers aren't harvesting it because the diesel to do so costs more than the corns worth.

    2. Re:Story I heard as a kid by Stargoat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My degree is in economics. What you are proposing is a zero-sum game. This is not how life works.

      If you can get more grain out of a field, that will enable you to use that grain for other purposes. Cattle, chickens, etc. Your food choices increase. You can put some of the field into lumber at the same overall bushel production. Heck, you work less hard for the same number of calories. You can get a job in manufacturing perhaps. Basically, the increase in calorie production means an overall improved quality of life for both the individual farmer and the community as a whole.

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    3. Re:Story I heard as a kid by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

      I'm glad you're wealthy enough that you can get prissy about what the thing you're eating, ate prior to you eating it.

      But that's not really relevent since grass fed herds were slaughtered as well. The drought affected all silage, not just corn.

  3. More power to you by asliarun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As an interested lay person, I'm thrilled to hear about this initiative. Not to sound ungrateful, but I would really really wish and hope that
    - This initiative will always retain the bazaar mindset, and not get bogged down by bureaucracy
    - This initiative will spread into the continents where this is needed the most - Asia and Africa.
    - The options for seeds grows beyond vegetables and into grains and other basic nutrition foods. Ref: http://www.opensourceseediniti...
    - They use this platform to spread awareness and accessibility to some of the really hardy native crops in various parts of the world that are dying out. Many of these are naturally drought and pest resistant, grow very easily, and in some cases, have much better nutritional value than many of the foods that are today more fashionable.

    The moringa plant, for example.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    To compare (an example):
    100 grams of moringa leaves has 9.3 g protein, 434 mg calcium, 738 g vitamin A, and 164 mg vitamin C
    100 grams of spinach leaves has 2.9 g protein, 99 mg calcium, 469 g vitamin A, and 28 mg vitamin C

    And this tree grows even in a desert. But I don't want to goo offtopic. This was just an example.

    My only hope is that a platform like this - can and should - make knowledge and seeds accessible to all. We can literally solve world hunger and world health by doing this.

    1. Re:More power to you by MerlynEmrys67 · · Score: 2

      Where your link to moringa is interesting - Looking at the production of it, it sure doesn't seem like you get a lot of density in a given acre of production. For example, lets compare the nutrients produced from one acre of muringa vs. one acre of spinach (rice/wheat/corn). How many pounds of leaves can you get out of an acre of moringa, and how intense is the labor to get that acre harvested vs. one acre of spinach?
      There is a reason that we grow the crops that we do - they can be grown very densely, with the least amount of fertilizer, insecticide, water as possible as those things all take money to provide. There is also a need for the minimum amount of labor to plant, maintain and harvest the crops.

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    2. Re:More power to you by asliarun · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Where your link to moringa is interesting - Looking at the production of it, it sure doesn't seem like you get a lot of density in a given acre of production. For example, lets compare the nutrients produced from one acre of muringa vs. one acre of spinach (rice/wheat/corn). How many pounds of leaves can you get out of an acre of moringa, and how intense is the labor to get that acre harvested vs. one acre of spinach?

      There is a reason that we grow the crops that we do - they can be grown very densely, with the least amount of fertilizer, insecticide, water as possible as those things all take money to provide. There is also a need for the minimum amount of labor to plant, maintain and harvest the crops.

      You make a good point. But I wonder if the food we grow are always based on scientifically optimal choices or often based on other factors. Like one crop being grown more widely because it commands a higher price. Or changing food habits and inordinate preference to certain grains and veggies.

      The other thing to consider is access to information and access to grains. Are we growing or not growing (a crop like muringa) because of an informed decision, or because most of the world is not even aware of these options?

      Other things to consider are that plants like muringa will grow in most places where you wouldn't dream of growing spinach. This is not just a third world problem. Even in most developed countries, good access to irrigation and "the right climate" are often deal breakers.

      Finally, I find the tree (perennials that live for many years) vs plant (that typically die on every harvest) debate - an interesting one. It is something I feel that we need to focus on more deeply. Is it really an optimal choice to grow a plant from scratch every year? Could a tree or a perennial shrub provide better long term nutritional returns? Isn't a mature tree far hardier and less susceptible to crop loss?

      Mind you, I am not saying you are wrong. All I am saying is that we definitely need more awareness about more such options, better access to seeds and how to grow them in different climatic and soil conditions. And more informed debates. And we really need to discuss this far more than Kim Kardashian's buttocks.

    3. Re:More power to you by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      100 grams of moringa leaves has ... 738 g vitamin A

      Great Scott! Over 700% of the weight of the plant is vitamin A!

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    4. Re:More power to you by tomhath · · Score: 2

      The problem in countries you mention isn't buying modern seeds. The problem is that the market for agricultural products is controlled by a few well connected cartels who keep farm prices artificially low; if those farmers could sell at a fair price they would be doing fine with the larger crops.

    5. Re:More power to you by asliarun · · Score: 3, Informative

      Is it really an optimal choice to grow a plant from scratch every year? Could a tree or a perennial shrub provide better long term nutritional returns? Isn't a mature tree far hardier and less susceptible to crop loss?

      Fruit/nut trees also take a long time to come to maturity, like 5-10 years per tree. All that time, they're not producing a sellable product.

      Mature tree crops fall hard to disease all the time. Oranges, for one, spring to mind.

      Better to grow a variety of things.

      FYI, there is a lot of research being done in trying to make perennial versions of many of the grains and vegetables we currently eat.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  4. The government will help by micahraleigh · · Score: 2

    If you have a seed people are going to want (more than say RoundUpReady or whatever is patented, etc) you're going to have to do some genetic modifications either through breeding or more direct/exotic methods.

    But as soon as it starts working or having value the FDA will start asking for records about what you started with, unusual behavior, how much revenue you are making, what your prayers are like, and which political organizations you are affiliated with. Their buddies in the EPA, IRS will soon see you as their punching bag or, worse yet, their pocket book.

    The US economy is transitioning from a semi-centralized, semi-free market approach to more of a guild approach where producers are disallowed from reducing prices or finding new improvements.

    We might be 2 or 3 wave elections away from seeing any changes here.

  5. Re:Monsanto by rahvin112 · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's also a way to ensure that GMO seeds can't spread beyond their intended planting and coincidentally would resolve a major issue with GMO approval in Europe.

    Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

  6. Re: Most of the problem is Monsanto, the Great Sat by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    Then give the consumers a choice to not buy GMO. Label products as GMO.

    Plenty of products are already labeled as NOT GMO. So people already have a choice.

  7. Re:Monsanto by Punchcardz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hell, Monsanto NEVER sold Terminator seeds. I find that people who rant about them as an example of the evils of Monsanto invariably don't know what the hell they are talking about. It is a nice bellwether.

  8. Re:Patents last 20 years by gweilo8888 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Except that as soon as one patent nears expiration, another slightly differing patent that still covers the same item is filed for and granted. And you'd be a fool to assume that patents will stay at 20 years when our politicians are completely corrupt and have a revolving-door system with the very corporations the public needs protection from. Lobbying (read: legalized bribery) makes it likely that the scope of patents will continue to expand, just as the scope of copyright does.

  9. Re: Most of the problem is Monsanto, the Great Sat by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Then give the consumers a choice to not buy GMO. Label products as GMO.

    Plenty of products are already labeled as NOT GMO. So people already have a choice.

    Not plenty enough. I am in the US west coast in a fairly large city, with a whole foods and a choice of stores. I honestly dont find enough products labelled GMO free.