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Electric Shock Study Suggests We'd Rather Hurt Ourselves Than Others

Posted by Soulskill on from the unless-it's-over-the-internet dept.

sciencehabit writes: If you had the choice between hurting yourself or someone else in exchange for money, how altruistic do you think you'd be? In one infamous experiment, people were quite willing to deliver painful shocks to anonymous victims when asked by a scientist. But a new study that forced people into the dilemma of choosing between pain and profit finds that participants cared more about other people's well-being than their own. It is hailed as the first hard evidence of altruism for the young field of behavioral economics.

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  1. This study is... by danknight48 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Shocking.

    1. Re:This study is... by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

      Not really. Have you seen Youtube? People love to hurt themselves as long as they have an audience. Now hold my beer and watch this...

    2. Re:This study is... by penguinoid · · Score: 2

      Less shocking if you consider it as getting paid to attack someone, vs getting paid to do something painful. Even a sociopath wouldn't attack people for a few cents.

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    3. Re:This study is... by Barsteward · · Score: 2

      if its a troll at the other end of the wire, i'd do it for free

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    4. Re:This study is... by plopez · · Score: 2

      Some do it for no economic benefit at all. See serial killers as an example.

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  2. Needs larger sample set. by Narcocide · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My guess is these were all volunteers participating in the study "for science?"

    My guess is that introduces a selection bias towards altruism. Test any of the several thousand people I've worked for, with, or very near over the past 20 years and I would guess that most of them wouldn't hesitate to shock the other person as much as was allowed, especially if they could be relatively certain the other person could not shock them back as a direct response.

    1. Re:Needs larger sample set. by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but it has to be said... https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    2. Re:Needs larger sample set. by west · · Score: 2

      Test any of the several thousand people I've worked for, with, or very near over the past 20 years and I would guess that most of them wouldn't hesitate to shock the other person as much as was allowed, especially if they could be relatively certain the other person could not shock them back as a direct response.

      You have my true sympathies. I can't think of anything worse than to have to work among people that you could not trust to be honest and generally benevolent. I consider myself fortunate that among the hundreds I've worked with over the last 30 years, I can think of only 1 or 2 who *might* do so, and I may well be failing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

    3. Re:Needs larger sample set. by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Judging from the people I worked with during my years, a good deal of them would shock others for free.

      An even bigger portion would pay YOU to let them.

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    4. Re:Needs larger sample set. by west · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, I've worked for all sorts of organizations, from large to small.

      It's not that people are all saints, but I've found that overwhelmingly, people want to do good, especially if it isn't going to cost them deeply.

      I have seen (didn't work at, but visited) companies that squished that tendency by making it quite costly to help one's fellow employee, and they were miserable places for the workers, but even there people tended to hate the company for making being helpful costly, rather than their coworkers for not helping (although I'll admit it did leak a little bit. Very sad place.)

      In any place I've worked at, I've gone out of my way to be helpful to others, and every one else has gone out of their way to be helpful to me.

      Perhaps I've just been very fortunate. Maybe I tend to see the best in people. But I will say that my observations on people's basic helpfulness have been borne out time and time again over the last 40+ years. I still take delight in the random acts of kindness and helpfulness that I see time and time again at work, the community and on buses and subways.

      I'm still in awe of observing how it took perhaps a total of 30 seconds for a random women to notice on the subway when a young girl got separated from her grandmother and panicked when the doors closed too quickly, call for volunteers, and then organize four of them to go to the previous station, authorities, etc. (turning away 2 or 3 others including myself) before the subway reached the next stop.

      Another example: My older teen-age son got into a verbal altercation on a bus because a young man started loudly swearing at my younger son when the my youngest accidentally hit the fellow with the backpack he was wearing. The older son verbally stepped in to redirect the ire onto himself to prevent his brother from being alarmed by the man's behaviour.

      A month later, my son, waiting for a bus in the same neighborhood (which is a bit downscale) was approached by the same young man. The young man came up and apologized. He'd had a bad day when my youngest backpack bounced against him. He then praised my oldest for intervening to protect his younger brother.

      That sort of good-heartedness is all around. Yeah, there are a few jerks. But there are a lot of people, who despite the occasional bad behaviour, are generally good. (I've always been grateful for the gentleman in the above example who apologized. It taught may son that people who are behaving badly aren't "bad to the bone", but are probably just having a bad day, same as the rest of us. A *critical* truth for bringing out the best in people.)

      Yeah, I've lost a few bucks to a fraudulent "help me", but such incidents have been outweighed by orders of magnitude (literally) by the fact that almost no-one wants to be a jerk, and given the opportunity, most people are decent.

      Again, you have my sympathies for living in a section of the world where that isn't true.

      And sorry for the length of the post, but your vision of humanity was so horrifying that I felt I needed to point out the sentiment is far from universal.

  3. Simpsons Knew Better by TreZ · · Score: 2

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There's_No_Disgrace_Like_Home

  4. Similar experiment by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

    Le Jeu de la Mort (The Game of Death)

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  5. The old woman said: by Mantrid42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    “You’ve heard of animals chewing off a leg to escape a trap? There’s an animal kind of trick. A human would remain in the trap, endure the pain, feigning death that he might kill the trapper and remove a threat to his kind.”

    1. Re:The old woman said: by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2

      There is only one recorded case of a human being playing possum, tricking a carrion bird into picking him up and then tickled the bird with its own feather when it was near a high way, thus making drop him. Then he hitch hiked back to civilization. I am proud to say he is an alumnus of my alma mater.

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  6. Re:How much money ? by Your.Master · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article has a bit more info.

    Spoiler alert: the shock is calibrated to each person to be "painful but not intolerable", and it's about 30 cents a shock for yourself or 60 cents a shock to others.

    There may be an initial threshold -- my understanding is that the question would be something like:

    "Would you rather be shocked 10 times and get $7 or shocked 20 times and get $9", or "Would you rather be shocked 5 times for $5 or have this chick get shocked 3 times for $4", not necessarily giving a 0 shocks = $0 option.

  7. This isn't a secret by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2

    1) Compose your team entirely of specialists who are focused on one small piece of the puzzle
    2) Find a psychopath who will make ethical compromises in the name of efficiency that well adjusted people would consider morally reprehensible to coordinate your team
    3) Keep your team from seeing the big picture so they don't revolt
    4) Keep outsiders from realizing how your efficiency is achieved so they don't shun you
    5) Profit!

    You get bonus points for setting all this up, making yourself the recipient of the inevitable rewards, keeping yourself ignorant of the particulars and sleeping like a baby.

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  8. People who feels empty inside ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2

    A lot of lonely empty people in this world, and they are so afraid of being feeling left alone they would _anything_ to attract attention

    In fact, many of those who committed suicide are did what they did, in the vain hope that their death would attract some attention

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  9. Re:How much money ? by worf_mo · · Score: 3, Funny

    If the alternative is to give someone else one and cash in on it...

    Never was a username more opportune...

  10. It would be interesting ... by Rambo+Tribble · · Score: 2

    ... to study if the results might be affected by characterizing the third person, to the subject, as holding different views than the subject. Say, for instance, portraying the third party as a liberal when the subject has identified themself as a conservative.