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US Marshals Auctioning $20M Worth of Silk Road's Bitcoins

coondoggie writes: The U.S. Marshals office says it will auction off almost 50,000 bitcoins (about $20 million worth) seized from alleged Silk Road creator Ross Ulbricht. The auction, which is the second sale of Silk Road's bitcoin collection, will take place during a 6-hour period on Dec. 4 from 8:00 a.m. until 2:00 p.m. EST. Bids will be accepted by email from pre-registered bidders only, the U.S. Marshals office said. In June more than $17 million in bitcoins seized from the Silk Road take-down were auctioned off.

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  1. I wish they would just auction off the drugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do you know how hard it is to find quality MDMA?

    It's fucking impossible. Unless you want shitty speed you need a really good connection, which I sadly can't find.

  2. Payment methods by dysmal · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will they accept bitcoins?

    1. Re:Payment methods by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      I'd rather buy those Bitcoins with Dogecoins at a 1:1 ratio.

  3. But the case hasn't even started! by Chaos+Incarnate · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, his trial hasn't even started yet, but they're already auctioning off what they seized as part of the investigation.

    There's sleazy, and then there's the U.S. Marshals.

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    1. Re:But the case hasn't even started! by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bitcoins were deemed to be regulated as currency, and thus the remuneration the US government might owe the defendants can be delivered in US dollars, should the property not be found to be forfeit.

    2. Re:But the case hasn't even started! by Anon-Admin · · Score: 2

      Then explain why every apartment complex will refuse cash and tell you to go get a money order to pay your rent?

      Note: I have not lived in a rented apartment in years, this may have changed. When I did live in apartments they would NEVER accept cash.

    3. Re:But the case hasn't even started! by i+kan+reed · · Score: 4, Informative

      If it were a debt you owed, they'd be legally obligated to take it. If payment is a condition of keeping your space, it's not.

      Once they evict you, and send you a bill for past-due rent, they have to take cash.

    4. Re:But the case hasn't even started! by JJJJust · · Score: 2

      Despite what the upper level post says, there is no Federal law that imposes a general requirement to accept Federal Reserve Notes in satisfaction of any debt. The legal tender for all debts wording on the face of those notes is derived from Title 31, United States Code, Section 5103 ("United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts."). State and local law may vary and require acceptance of Federal Reserve Notes in satisfaction of a debt. LEGAL tender does not in and of itself mean MANDATORY tender.

      An alternative answer to your question would be that you contractually agreed to pay in certain forms and not others. The most restrictive constraint will usually control when there is a conflict between law and a contract.

    5. Re:But the case hasn't even started! by Zeio · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree here. This is the actions of a police state. Its quite disturbing to see complete forfeiture of assets without a trial taking place. I know normally tycoons and other scum like Madhoff and Ken Lay deserve to be tarred and feathered and pilloried for their crimes against society and shareholders, but who exactly was DAMAGED by Silk Road? Did all of the buyers receive their goods? If so, what is the DAMAGE?

      How does the government have standing to claim silk road DAMAGED all those buyers?

      Why doesnt the government go after Jack Ma and Alibaba? (As in they block those transactions and forbid buying off that fraud-racket-exchange)? Alibaba sells stolen fraudulent broken junk that is masqueraded as legitimate (its basically a crime mall) but we let that go and shut down silk road and seize all assets? Doesnt make sense. Criminal rackets operate eyes wide shut but it seems the Fedzilla is only angry that they couldnt collect tax off these transactions in which case he should be sued for that money.

      Total forfeiture seems out of the bounds of due process.

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    6. Re:But the case hasn't even started! by i+kan+reed · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know, I'm feeling a little wary of that +4 Informative I got.

      I'm not a lawyer, and I could be misconstruing the law, which says

      United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts.

      It could be the concept of "legal tender" is way more complex than I'm giving it credit for. It's certainly the case that people have gotten in legal trouble for paying in nothing but pennies, for example.

    7. Re:But the case hasn't even started! by jratcliffe · · Score: 2

      They're auctioning them off because Ulbricht has explicitly denied that they're his. He's in a tough position - if he claims them as his own, he's acknowledging that he was running Silk Road.

    8. Re:But the case hasn't even started! by dywolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The trial against the bitcoins, US Government VS 50,000 Bitcoins, was decided already.

      The bitcoins failed to hire a lawyer in their defense, and it's not like they couldn't afford one so there was no need to provide one for them.

      Ah...the joys of civil forfeiture.

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    9. Re:But the case hasn't even started! by fafaforza · · Score: 2

      Regardless of whether bitcoins are currency, the government is forcing the defendants onto the bitcoin market. If they're found not guilty, and at the same time the price of a bitcoin doubles, theywere deprived of $20 million of income.

    10. Re:But the case hasn't even started! by jd142 · · Score: 2

      That's not arbitrary; that's a firm and understandable rule. Arbitrary would be if my 10 million dollar donation got me a law in my favor and yours did not. :)

      Just like the rule I learned in copyrights class: The Mouse always wins. That means that no matter what the law is or how it has always been interpreted, Disney gets what it wants.

  4. And then... by BigSlowTarget · · Score: 2

    After the auction the Bitcoins will be confiscated as they were previously the proceeds from illegal drug transactions.

  5. Pre-registered bidders by Tiger4 · · Score: 2

    Name:
    Address:
    Email:
    Photo (full face, left and right view):
    What is your interest in acquiring seized Silk Road bitcoins:

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    1. Re:Pre-registered bidders by MickLinux · · Score: 2

      Yes, I can see where there could be risk to those who bid, either from the US Marshals (confiscation of property under seizure laws without trial) or from the drug lord.

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  6. Another word for robbery by canadiannomad · · Score: 5, Informative
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    1. Re:Another word for robbery by ProzacPatient · · Score: 2

      According to CNN and Forbes North Carolina is the only state without civil forfeiture where the actual property owner must be convicted of a crime before the property can be seized.
      Unfortunately as the Forbes article points out local law enforcement often gets a federal agent involved so they can use federal overreach to usurp the state's rights so ultimately it doesn't matter what the state law is.

  7. Re:What a moron! by KiloByte · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He had 20 mil worth of Bitcoins? He should have sold them all himself and then fled the country.

    Unlike the US marshals, Dread Pirate Roberts has a sense of decency.

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  8. Here's my offer by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dear U.S. Marshals, I am prepared to offer TEN Dogecoins for each ONE Bitcoin.

  9. But the case hasn't even started! by slashdice · · Score: 5, Informative

    They're being auctioned off, with agreement from Ross Ulbricht, due to the volatility of BTC. There will be a separate civil forfeiture trial later.

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  10. Re:What a moron! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, people using his website had 20 mil in btc. Unlike the feds, DPR did not steal anyone's coins to enrich himself.

    The feds robbed the users of this popular eCommerce site, and pointed to archaic prohibition laws as a justification for their theft. The US government has been at war with its own citizens for far too long, and needs to be stripped of its power to harm peaceful people.

  11. Re:Should be illegal by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    Civil forfeiture does not require a guilty verdict.

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  12. Re:What a moron! by Firethorn · · Score: 2

    Dread Pirate Roberts has a sense of decency.

    I'd have a lot more sympathy for him if he'd stuck to drugs rather than attempting to hire hits(contract murders) through his own site.

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  13. Re:What a moron! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Oh, that made me laugh. I can set up a website to sell handguns to convicted felons and murderers with no paperwork. To top it off, it would be 100% legal.

    You should read the law, it is amazing what you learn. For example, the working replica of an 1861 naval revolver requires no paperwork, no registration, can be sold online, and can be shipped to anywhere in the US.

    And for the record, I sold gray area items on silk road. Things that you can legally sell, however CC merchant accounts, paypal, google pay, etc. will not let you process the payments. The used of bitcoin and the anonymity of SR allowed me to make a lot of money at it.

    They sold more than drugs on silk road and there were quite a few legal/gray area items available.

  14. How much more screw up can our government get? by Puls4r · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So, rather than just selling them on the exchanges, they're pricing them in huge blocks that only the wealthy can afford. I mean seriously, how many folks here have $150k burning a hole in their pocket that they want to plunk down for some bitcoin? I truly hate our government. These bitcoins are going to be sold a huge (unrealized) loss to the wealthy, who are going to turn a giant profit. Fantastic. No wonder it's 'closed' bidding.

  15. Re:What a moron! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I had a few bitcoins stored there at the time. I am not a a US citizen, do not live in the US, nor did I purchase from anyone in the US. Yet suddenly the US government has my money. Regardless of what law they use to justify it, it certainly feels like theft.

  16. Re:What a moron! by g4sy · · Score: 2

    Really? So you're claiming that you were instead sidestepping his question, and misleading everyone into thinking you were on about actually answering his valid point? You REALLY want to make that claim?

    How can a rational human prefer to be thought a troll and a moron over just simply ignorant?

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