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Ask Slashdot: What's the Most Hackable Car?

An anonymous reader writes: When looking for a new (or used) car, I have readily available information regarding features, maintenance history, and potential issues for that specific model or generation. What I would really like is a car that is readily hackable on the convenience-feature level. For example, if I want to install a remote starter, or hack the power windows so holding 'up' automatically rolls it up, or install a readout on the rear of the car showing engine RPMs, what make/model/year is the best pick? Have any of you done something similar with your vehicle? Have you found certain models to be ideal or terrible for feature hacking?

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  1. Which part? by TheMiddleRoad · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Mitsubishi Evo and Subaru WRX probably have the most hacked ECUs around. Loading something like ECUTek onto a BRZ or FR-S gives you equal control. Convenience systems are usually controlled with some kind of aftermarket device, though for Toyotas, you can download Techstream and control a few options via a cheap cable off ebay. A Tesla offers the most toys to play with out of the box, but you can't do a think with the actual drive system. An M-series BMW like an old M5 will give you loads of settings to play with between the engine, transmission, and suspension.

    1. Re:Which part? by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      Hondata.com as some pretty sweet gear for Honda. But, I've been out of the street modding scene (I grew up). Stock cars produce power at maximum efficiency as it is; unless you don't mind slurping more gas for HP.

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    2. Re:Which part? by Kagetsuki · · Score: 2

      First off I'm a GT86 [FR-S/BRZ] owner and let me say if you're ready to put down the money it is an absolutely fantastically hackable car. If you're only talking about electronics the entire dash is super easy to take apart and it's super clean and organized in back with very nice access to core system lines and power. There are plenty of aftermarket ECUs and ECU extension units and of course it's a new generation Toyota so if you wanted to you could hook up to one of the data lines and play with all sorts of things. ODB-II in the vehicle also seems to have some extensions and I've seen people getting oil temp/pressure from add-on sensors through it. As for performance the ammout of engine, drivetrain, footwork and body mods available for them is insane. Here in Japan they actually have huge monthly catalogues of new parts just for the 86/BRZ. Of course stock is pretty nice as-is if you have a model with the torsen diff (but if you get an R grade a helical would be a superior addition).

      As for the EVO vs WRX I'd argue for the WRX Impreza just from the ammount of fantacism that continues around them continuing to drive aftermarket parts production. Case in point: find a bolt on turbo for an Impreza GC or GD - you can get one brand new / an older EVO? good luck. For a used WRX I'd actually recommend looking for something between a later GC and a GG because they were built in an era when constant adjustments and part swaps for different rally types was the thing and also because a lot of the fantics tend to center on those "glory days" models. Of course owning an 86 it's not like I'm baised toward Subaru or anything *cough* *cough*. I'm super curious about the new WRX STI but I've only seen one once and never handled one.

      One addition: the Mazda Roadster [Miata]. It's pretty much the "hackable" car of the century for anyone who cares about road handling over numbers (sorry Civic). They're super easy to mod, there are plenty of parts, and there is enough cross-modle compatibility in parts you can pick up scrap spares fairly easily. Just the fact it's a well built, small sized, convertable FR makes me want one for the weekends. Only demerit is apparently in the US they are considered "hairdresser cars"; but a nice beefy rollbar, a spoiler and some badass footwork should get rid of that image.

  2. I just want to... by dlkwnt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...turn that damned chime off. Why can't I leave my keys in the ignition and the drivers door open at the same time??? Yeah, I know, blah blah blah, people forgetting their keys blah blah blah, but at least give me the option of turning it off without having to start pulling fuses.

    1. Re:I just want to... by Maxwell · · Score: 3, Informative

      have you searched online? There is sometimes a way to "program" it. On a modern GM (2010+ ) hold the Information and Reset buttons at the same time. A menu will pop up on the multi display and you can set various things. There are often hidden codes (Chrysler used to use the headlight switch as a selector, with the horn as feedback - so you are sitting in your driveway , honking horns and flashing lights :) as well...

    2. Re:I just want to... by PRMan · · Score: 2

      Moral of the story, you shouldn't touch a GM, Ford or Chrysler for all the tea in China...

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    3. Re:I just want to... by nabsltd · · Score: 3, Informative

      We needed a new car back in 2012 and we decided on a 2012 Ford Escape.

      Most of your complaints can be fixed with various tweaks listed in the manuals. For example, you don't have to listen to chimes because the key is in the switch. As for Sync, update the software (easy to do with a download to any USB stick) and you should be able to connect any Android at least for voice, but your phone has to support a later level of Bluetooth to support reading/sending texts using the car.

      I can't help you on your satellite drop outs, as that's caused by brain-dead placement of the antenna by Ford. No, that thing sticking up at the back of your car is not the satellite antenna. The sat antenna is pretty much inside your glove compartment.

    4. Re:I just want to... by DigitAl56K · · Score: 2

      Why not just have a decent aftermarket radio installed and be done with all those problems?

      Assuming the manufacturer hasn't stuffed major functionality of the car inside the radio/nav system and you're willing to risk a hit on resale value by losing some of the standard features.

    5. Re:I just want to... by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

      Waited for a friend to have an interview in my car when I was in highschool, listened to the radio for about 45 minutes.

      Wow. That's bizarre. Back in the 80s you could listen to a double-feature at the drive-in on your radio then easily start up your car and drive away. 4+ hours of the radio had little to no impact on the battery.

    6. Re:I just want to... by michrech · · Score: 2

      Unless you had a giant booming stereo system installed in that car, your battery should not have died after 45 minutes of the radio being on. You *should* have gone and had your battery / alternator checked, and replaced whichever was defective. :P

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  3. Replying to myself by langelgjm · · Score: 2

    Poor form, but here are some examples.

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  4. Community is just as important as car by StatureOfLiberty · · Score: 4, Informative

    You need to find a car that has a strong community of people who like to make these kinds of changes. I have a Prius (actually 2). There is a ton of information on the car. For example, someone posted instructions for ordering parts and wiring in accessories that allow you to unlock the car by touch from the passenger door handle and the rear hatch. That feature was only offered by Toyota on the top models in 2011.

    PriusChat is my favorite place for researching maintaining and enhancing my 2 Priuses. Good luck and have fun!

    1. Re:Community is just as important as car by TubeSteak · · Score: 2

      More importantly, community will tell you what's not possible.
      For example: or hack the power windows so holding 'up' automatically rolls it up

      AFAIK, almost all auto features on power windows are pure hardware and you have to replace the entire module if you want that feature.

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    2. Re:Community is just as important as car by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

      Not some half-a$$ed go cart that can't keep up in traffic.

      I didn't realize the hundreds of Prius taxis that are zooming all over my city can't keep up in traffic. You learn something new every day.

      I'll also have to let my friend who just drove his Prius cross-country that it couldn't keep up.

  5. Hacking in convenience features? How Inconvenient by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

    Seriously, if you want a car that's fun to hack go as old as you can find that still looks nice, runs smooth, and has 100k miles (to reduce the odds that poor maintenance habits have caught up with the motor). Avoid any car with theft provention since that will totally block the remote starter unless you get the factory-approved option.

    Which brings me to the next point: If you want convenience you won't get it by spending days hacking your car... You will get it by buying a convenient car. There are so many low and mid model cars that offer complete convenience packages, so just buy it if you want it. Unless you are already an experienced automotive engineer you just won't be able to come out ahead by doing it yourself. Then, to get your geek on buy a OBD-2 to Bluetooth adapter, and a nice app (like Torque) for your smartphone.

  6. BMW by m2pc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Most of the BMWs from the 90's onward are fairly hackable. You can find copies of the dealer software and production line tools on the web, and tools like NavCoder and similar allow you to control tons of the "convenience" features. Most of the modules have had their options decoded by interested individuals wanting to customize their vehicles.

    Some info here.

  7. Volkswagen-Audi group by shuz · · Score: 3, Informative

    VW/Audi group cars can all be easily hacked via a Vag-com http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-c... device which is a relatively cheap hardware/software alternative to the programmer used at the factor or at a dealership. There are great community sites. for instance: http://www.audizine.com/forum/...

    One simple hack I performed for instance was to enable bluetooth hud. Default from the factory the contact list from my phone would not be displayed one the radio or on the instrument heads up display. One simple code change displays my contact list, last calls received, and last calls made. The only negatives to the vag-com are that engine performance and emissions are locked out. Which means you can't disable the ~130MPH governor for instance.

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  8. CAN bus enables access by itomato · · Score: 2

    Check out the CANBus Triple: https://www.kickstarter.com/pr... They have huge adoption in the Mazda community

  9. sense of the word by DriveDog · · Score: 2

    I think of hacking as almost anything to alter almost anything about the car, but it sounds like you're thinking mostly interfacing with the electronics to get there. I can't answer who's best, but I know for sure that some manufacturers make accessing and interpreting CAN bus information a lot easier than others. Search for CAN bus interface info for various makes in which you're interested and see how much is out there and how difficult it looks. When I find time (yeah right) I want to grab events from pushing steering wheel buttons and use it to control my own devices. So I'm not really looking to put messages on the CAN bus, just read from it. In general, models that have cult followings (not just "ricers") will have a lot more info out there that their owners have accumulated and shared. MINIs are not among the easiest cars to interface with (as with other BMWs), but there's a lot of info out there because of the interest among owners. On the other hand, something like a Camry, popular as they are, is unlikely to have been explored as much because they're appliances that people buy to reliably get them where they want to go and not for providing fun or making a statement.

  10. Not sure about most hackable, but... by wolrahnaes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The BMW E46 (3 series between 1999 and 2005) and other BMWs from that era all use an in-vehicle network called "I-Bus" which operates things like the windows, the sound system, the lights, and more. Most non-critical vehicle functions are exposed there and are fairly well documented by the community. You only need an inexpensive adapter that looks like a serial port as far as the computer's concerned to access it.

    IIRC the first generation or two of Mini as well as a few Land Rovers of the time that used BMW engines also have I-Bus.

    Newer models have an optical system called MOST running the infotainment system, I'm not sure where the windows and lights are connected in these days.

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