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Mozilla's 2013 Report: Revenue Up 1% To $314M; 90% From Google

An anonymous reader writes Mozilla has released its annual financial report for 2013, and the numbers hint as to why the organization signed a five-year deal with Yahoo, announced by the duo on November 19. Revenue increased just 1 percent, and the organization's reliance on Google stayed flat at 90 percent. The total revenue for the Mozilla Foundation and its subsidiaries in 2011 was $163 million, and it increased 90.2 percent to $311 million for 2012. Yet that growth all but disappeared last year, as the total revenue moved up less than 1 percent (0.995 percent to be more precise) to $311 million in 2013. 85 percent of Mozilla's revenue came from Google in 2011, and that figure increased to 90 percent in 2012. While the 90 percent number remained for 2013, it's still a massive proportion and shows Mozilla last year could not figure out a way to differentiate where its money comes from.

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  1. How's this going to work by Virtucon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With 90% of their revenue coming from Google yet they just signed a 5 year deal with Yahoo how is this going to work out? Diversity in revenue streams is good and also getting off the Google teat is really good but I can't help but think that they just cut their own throat.

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    1. Re:How's this going to work by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Funny

      With 90% of their revenue coming from Google yet they just signed a 5 year deal with Yahoo how is this going to work out?

      I guess we'll see, but Yahoo is probably guaranteeing at least as much revenue as Google, for the opportunity to be the default search engine.

      So that gives MoFo five years to have FirefoxOS take over the smartphone market.

      Bwaahahahah.

      I'm sorry, that was wrong.

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  2. Wait, 314 million per year? by Karmashock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is a lot of money. What could they possibly be spending it on because it certainly isn't firefox. I mean... it is a nice browser... but.... 314 million?

    I'm a little flabbergasted by these numbers.

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    1. Re:Wait, 314 million per year? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Macbooks and UI designers

    2. Re:Wait, 314 million per year? by Stormwatch · · Score: 2

      Nowadays it's not called UI, but UX. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that interfaces are turning into shit.

    3. Re:Wait, 314 million per year? by jopsen · · Score: 4, Informative

      That is a lot of money. What could they possibly be spending it on because it certainly isn't firefox. I mean... it is a nice browser... but.... 314 million?

      Disclaimer I work at Mozilla... There is obviously a lot of development, not just Firefox and FirefoxOS, but also research projects like rust, servo (new browser engine), daala (video codec). Followed by an end-less line of smaller projects, services and what not. For example I work on a project called TaskCluster which runs tasks (currently only docker containers on AWS spot nodes); the goal of this project is to make our CI infrastructure faster, cheaper and easier to configure (more self-serve; and more cloud based).

      But this is only the development things... Mozilla does things ranging from lobby work (net neutrality to name one); to education and campaigns for this (See webmaker parties). Sometimes I'm surprised to see all the things that goes on at Mozilla.


      A lot of what Mozilla does yields little obvious results... A lot of it is high risk (from a business perspective)... A lot of it has no business perspective at all. But Mozilla is not about money, it was we should really dump a lot of the projects that goes on :)

    4. Re:Wait, 314 million per year? by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Translation: Our core business (browsers) is so ridiculously profitable and since our mission is open ended we can spend it on almost any pet project we like. Sounds like a good opportunity for a smaller and more focused group to create a better fork and run off with the market, but what do I know. It seems Firefox was initially a two-three man project (depending on which page I look at) that rebelled against the Mozilla suite, with ~17% market share (according to StatCounter) being worth $300 million then 0.17% should be worth $3 million. That sounds like solid money for a reachable goal, if you got enhancements that would make 1% of the user base switch.

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  3. Free Software by MSG · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A lot of us benefit from Free Software. Android is primarily developed by Google, so it has a steady source of funding. GNU/Linux has a large community of volunteers, but is honestly developed primarily by businesses that get revenue from server support contracts (Red Hat, Intel, SuSE, IBM, Google, to name a few).

    Firefox is, by a host of measures, the best browser available. If I'm reading arewefastyet properly, it's the browser with the fastest Javascript engine now. The last time I checked, it's the smallest download. It uses the least RAM. It starts fastest. It supports plugins on all platforms, including mobile.

    The browser is key to practically every Internet service, and they all really should be contributing to the development of the one browser that's fully Free Software. Sadly, unlike Android and GNU/Linux, Firefox is essentially ad-supported. It's a bad situation for us, the users.

  4. What do they spend the money on? by hawguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They spend $200M/year on software development -- have browsers become so complicated that Mozilla and associated projects need 1000+ developers?

    1. Re:What do they spend the money on? by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Isn't it interesting how, as Mozilla becomes more and more corporate, their software seems to become less and less what people really want? Stupid features and interface changes no one wants are landing in the code and bugs from real users go unresolved.

    2. Re:What do they spend the money on? by Pablew+Nopl · · Score: 2

      Better to just never, ever change, right?

      Change for the sake of change is just a waste of everyone's time, since they need to adapt to the new way of doing things. If your little changes don't have practical benefits, then they're just useless, and worse, harmful.

  5. How do you spend 1/3 a billion $ and get Firefox? by tlambert · · Score: 2

    How do you spend 1/3 a billion $ and get Firefox?

    I mean, seriously, help me out here?

  6. Re:How do you spend 1/3 a billion $ and get Firefo by Microlith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You get Firefox and a decent amount of research. From my perspective it's money well spent.

  7. What's the next best browser for privacy? by sizzlinkitty · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a long time Mozilla support who flipped out when firefox updated with sponsored ads the other day. What is the next best windows based browser that doesn't report back your browsing habits to the mothership?

  8. $311 Million by giorgist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    $311 Million and they are circling the toilet !! What are they spending it on. I am sure they can rationalise their team and their product range. If it is profitability they want, they should focus in that direction and is find out what made them profitable, which might not be what is bringing in the money. Note Google makes money by selling our analytics but it is their presence on other fronts which makes them a household name.

  9. Nonprofit?? by Stan92057 · · Score: 2

    A lot of talk about how and what they do with all the money Isn't Mozilla/FF a non profit? isn't there limits as to what they can spend the money on? don't know that's why I ask.

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  10. Re:Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    As a Mozilla employee, yes, the organization is corrupted. Not by "gender issues" but by people who are milking the money.
    Employees are paid under the average (and don't get me wrong some of them are very smart and very hard working), but there's dozen of directors and VPs which are coming for coffee every now and then and naming their friends with similar titles and self congratulating if they work a couple of month a year and maybe over night once or twice (while others work week ends, night shifts, etc every fucking day). These guys are not paid under average, they get 250k+ for showing up a few times a week (due to the remote culture at Mozilla, they don't actually show up every day of the week - if they don't show up that also mean no reply to emails, etc. Unreachable.)

    As long as there is money an the CEO isn't exactly a ballsy one that will not change. I don't know if that will kill Mozilla that fast though. People who work there are in it for the opensource/mission/etc. Still, we're far from realizing our full potential. So far.

    AC obviously... and I'm quite tempted to just list all their names.

  11. Re: Damn! by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 2

    Mozilla is squandering the money they have. It should be shows around to a range of open source projects. That sort of money could free dozens of major and important projects from their corporate sponsors' agendas.

    That was my reaction as well. If Chromefox and a bunch of money-wasting vanity wank ("Firefox OS") is all we're getting for $300M, Google should be asking for their money back.