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Google's Project Loon Can Now Launch Up To 20 Balloons Per Day, Fly 10x Longer

An anonymous reader writes Google [Thursday] shared an update from Project Loon, the company's initiative to bring high-speed Internet access to remote areas of the world via hot air balloons. Google says it now has the ability to launch up to 20 of these balloons per day. This is in part possible because the company has improved its autofill equipment to a point where it can fill a balloon in under five minutes. This is a major achievement, given that Google says filling a Project Loon balloon with enough air so that it is ready for flight is the equivalent of inflating 7,000 party balloons.

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  1. loony by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    frist loony sist eleventyone.

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  2. Are we being utterly stupid now? Party balloons? by gweihir · · Score: 1

    What happened to actual units like cubic-meters? Too difficult for slashdot? Or is the number to small and just shows that "Google engineering" is not nearly as impressive as some people want it to look?

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  3. No hot air by jamesl · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... access to remote areas of the world via hot air balloons.

    These are not hot air balloons.

    The inflatable part of the balloon is called a balloon envelope. A well-made balloon envelope is critical for allowing a balloon to last around 100 days in the stratosphere. Loonâ(TM)s balloon envelopes are made from sheets of polyethylene plastic, and they measure fifteen meters wide by twelve meters tall when fully inflated. When a balloon is ready to be taken out of service, gas is released from the envelope to bring the balloon down to Earth in a controlled descent. In the unlikely event that a balloon drops too quickly, a parachute attached to the top of the envelope is deployed.
    http://www.google.com/loon/how...

    1. Re:No hot air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know it's not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things, but wasting helium always bugs me. That shit's hard to mine and there are a ton of uses for it, couldn't you use something else in your very-low-altitude satellite constellation?

    2. Re:No hot air by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      Why do you say they are not hot air balloons? The article is pretty clear they are. You quote do not say otherwise.

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    3. Re:No hot air by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      This text does not tell what the balloon is inflated with

    4. Re:No hot air by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Why do you say they are not hot air balloons? The article is pretty clear they are. You quote do not say otherwise.

      Just because it's on the internet doesn't make it correct.

      The pictures in the TFA are not of hot air balloons. They are of helium balloons. And engineering wise, no hot air balloon in capable of the stats that google is claiming.

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    5. Re:No hot air by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

      The fleet of solar powered drones is at least controllable. Which does mean that the drone would actively keep it's position and have no need to be retrieved in some inhospitable terrain with "STOY! STRELYAYUT!" signs after descent.

    6. Re:No hot air by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Just think how much energy it would take to maintain the hot air. Its simply not practical.

    7. Re:No hot air by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Like hydrogen. It's not like it's going to be a manned balloon after all. So what if one blows up once in a while - fireworks = added bonus!

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    8. Re:No hot air by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      Altitude is controlled pumping air in and out. There is a solar cells which could be use to maintain air temperature. The Loon site is unclear about the gas. The only reference to helium is for leak detection tests.

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    9. Re:No hot air by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      This is not the only article talking about hot air filled balloons. The text is talking about hot air, not matter what the picture is. Even the Loon project web site is not clear about this.

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    10. Re:No hot air by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      This is not the only article talking about hot air filled balloons. The text is talking about hot air, not matter what the picture is. Even the Loon project web site is not clear about this.

      Yet somehow the Wikipedia site happily identifies the balloons as being He filled

      Whoever wrote the text that everyone else is quoting screwed up big time, and is totally wrong about these balloons being hot air based. As I stated before, the photos are of classic Helium balloons, and no hot air balloon can do what google is claiming - that is basic physics.

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    11. Re:No hot air by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Try some critical thinking on the hot air idea. Look at the pictures as well, they clearly are filling the balloons from a compressed gas source.

    12. Re:No hot air by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Try some critical thinking

      But critical thinking is hard.

      And so is taking a step back and re-thinking when multiple people say something is not being correctly reported.

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    13. Re:No hot air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not the only article talking about hot air filled balloons

      Welcome to the internet. One idiot has a poorly researched article and makes some mistakes. A bunch of other people read his article and re-author it as their own, complete with his mistakes, so they don't miss out on the ad revenue.

      If you understood anything at all about hot air balloons, you would understand why these are NOT hot air balloons and CANNOT be hot air balloons.

    14. Re:No hot air by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      This text does not tell what the balloon is inflated with

      Maybe hype?

    15. Re:No hot air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet somehow the Wikipedia site happily identifies the balloons as being He filled [wikipedia.org]

      [citation needed]. The linked video did not say anything about how it is filled.

    16. Re:No hot air by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      So, Google has hit upon an idea to further deplete our already-scarce helium reserves. Bravo. When are we going to stop letting dickheads with money squander global resources and start centrally allocating on basis of need instead? Fucking mega-corporations.

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    17. Re:No hot air by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      I wonder how someone can happily identifies the balloons as being He filled on Wikipedia without an authoritative source saying so? I mean, nothing on the Loon website itself clearly says the balloons are He filled. The most it says, is the balloons are He filled for leaking tests where they use an He detector to identify the leaks. Nowhere the website says the balloons are filled with He when flying. Maybe they are intentionally obscure about He to let us think it is air filled or filled with another gas.

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    18. Re:No hot air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. The parent needs to be upvoted...

    19. Re:No hot air by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Maybe they are intentionally obscure about He to let us think it is air filled or filled with another gas.

      Ah .. I see you going the way of a conspiracy theory in order to avoid accepting common sense. Occams razor be damned!

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    20. Re:No hot air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The balloons can't be 'air filled' If they're filled with air then they can't float in air. They have to be lighter than air, and in order to get high enough in the stratosphere that usually means hydrogen or helium. Given that they strapped a parachute on these things in case they descend too quickly, it's a safe assumption that they want to reuse these balloons as much as possible, so hydrogen is not an option. Which leaves helium.

      There are other possibilities, but if they're testing for leaks with helium then the balloons that pass will be able to store helium without leaking. They *could* be using a heavier gas but there's absolutely no reason to make that conclusion. You're doing a lot of mental gymnastics to avoid admitting that these balloons are not hot air balloons.

    21. Re:No hot air by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Given that they strapped a parachute on these things in case they descend too quickly, it's a safe assumption that they want to reuse these balloons as much as possible, so hydrogen is not an option

      They won't be re-using the envelopes - the "balloon part", so it's perfectly fine to use hydrogen. The smart thing would be to drop the instrument package and then burn the envelope (it's plastic film) so that it doesn't result in a damage claim because you smothered someone's cow, or that the balloon fell on a roadway and distracts motorists, some who die in the ensuing accidents. It also makes it more predictable where the instrument package will land

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    22. Re:No hot air by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      it is not "hard to mine", right now most of it is just vented at natural gas sites. the only "shortage" is due to waste and stupidity. Even after the last natural gas field stops giving helium it can just be recovered from atmosphere at greater cost. We'll thus never run out for millenia

    23. Re:No hot air by Qzukk · · Score: 2

      it can just be recovered from atmosphere

      Most of it escapes into space. It's gone. You can make some more by fusing hydrogen atoms.

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    24. Re:No hot air by swillden · · Score: 1

      The only reference to helium is for leak detection tests.

      Because you can measure hot air balloon leaks by looking for helium?

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    25. Re:No hot air by Mr2cents · · Score: 1

      or as a byproduct of fission, that's the source of most Helium on Earth (alpha particles are Helium nuclei).

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    26. Re:No hot air by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The smart thing would be to drop the instrument package and then burn the envelope

      The envelope is made of polyethylene, I wonder if it's chlorinated. in that case, dioxin. also, it's not particularly biodegradable, so you need complete combustion even if it were safe to burn

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    27. Re:No hot air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      False. Helium vented into the atmosphere escapes the atmosphere. It is the least dense element and floats right out into space.

    28. Re:No hot air by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      you are confused, there is helium in the atmosphere which can be recovered by liquifiying, the escape and loss of that will be over geological time scales

  4. Helium shortage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you guys know that the Helium gas is in shortage?

    This is due to the fact that inside each and every MRI machine there are some superconductors which needed to be cooled and Helium is the gas that they use

    1. Re:Helium shortage by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      you would think helium to be a tad more expensive then if it is in fact as you in shortage right now.

      though, what do they fill these with? surely just not air, the blurb is all kinds of stupid. I think the engineering problem with filling it is more akin to cutting the feed at the right point more than anything to not rupture the vessel that is being filled. just filling a thing with air in 5 minutes on it's own isn't that impressive, since you can fill emergency exit slides etc far, far faster than that.

      more than that, it's more of a problem of moving the thing to the different deployment points than anything else- unless they aim to launch the balloons at the same place. always thought that the fucking filling of the balloons to be the easiest part and the networking behind it, powering the node while it is in the air etc to be the hard part- that, and well, the general longevity of such a system, like, will this deploy before mobile networks to such far reaches? you can make pretty big cells with 450 and 900mhz.

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    2. Re:Helium shortage by AchilleTalon · · Score: 0

      RTFA, these balloons are HOT AIR balloons, no helium is involved.

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    3. Re:Helium shortage by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Ignore TFA, because TFA is an idiot. They are, in fact, filled with helium.

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    4. Re:Helium shortage by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

      If so, the only difference is that instead of non-renewable Helium they spend non-renewable natural gas.

      And they also spend non-renewable energy and minerals to produce the energy sources, be it PV cells or Li-Ion batteries, and the radio itself.

      The towers strategically located on the ground would do the same without any need to seed the globe with balloons.

    5. Re:Helium shortage by itzly · · Score: 1

      Natural gas is constantly formed in biological processes. Also, it can be synthesized. Helium can only be mined.

    6. Re:Helium shortage by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      I think the engineering problem with filling it is more akin to cutting the feed at the right point more than anything to not rupture the vessel that is being filled.

      Not really a problem. They likely just release a set volume of gas at a given temperature.

    7. Re:Helium shortage by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      another reason to get cracking on that fusion energy project eh comrade?

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    8. Re:Helium shortage by itzly · · Score: 1

      Or, maybe less challenging, they could try to fill the balloons with hydrogen.

    9. Re:Helium shortage by Bin_jammin · · Score: 1

      While the medical equipment is one use of helium, it has nothing to do with why there's a shortage. This sums up the situation, including new facilities coming online that pretty much will make the "ermegerd heliumz" you've spewed a moot point. http://www.decodedscience.com/...

    10. Re:Helium shortage by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      There is also many references talking about hot air balloons for the Loon project. This is pretty confusing. It seems in its early phase the project used helium. Someone can provide an authoritative answer and reference about this project? Wikipedia doesn't fit the bill. It refers to an article for the helium thing, however you can also find many ones on tech magazines refering to hot air.

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    11. Re:Helium shortage by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Why isn't there a "-1, oh the humanity!" mod?

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    12. Re:Helium shortage by itzly · · Score: 1

      Why would you need ? To hide the facts ?

    13. Re:Helium shortage by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      One more thing which advocate in favor of an hot air filled balloon is the altitude control system which pump in and out AIR, not helium since there is none available to pump in. Since this mechanism is used to navigate using high altitude winds if helium would be required it wouldn't last 100 days beside the fact pumping air would not change the altitude. The only reference I have found about helium on the Loon site is about the leak tests. They use helium to test the envelope for leaks.

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    14. Re:Helium shortage by itzly · · Score: 1

      The new facilities only provide helium as long as the gas fields last, which is most likely measured in decades.

    15. Re:Helium shortage by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      We're talking about low-cost unmanned balloons, so why not use hydrogen? H2 does not have as major a leakage problem as does He, with its tiny atoms.

      Now who was the genius who came up with that name?

    16. Re:Helium shortage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://plus.google.com/103068231639729844333/posts/AYKV3KVbREA

      These are weather balloons. A hotair balloon would require a significant heat source to stay afloat.

    17. Re:Helium shortage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF are you talking about? Air is denser than helium. When you pump air into a chamber in a weather balloon, it acts as ballast. These are normal weather balloons. There's no magic source of hot air in the stratosphere that can be used to gain altitude and solar electricity won't provide enough power to keep the air in the balloon hot.

      The Project Loon website directs users with more questions to visit the project loon google plus page which states several times these are helium balloons.

      The reason they leak test them with helium is because that's the gas they fly them with.

    18. Re:Helium shortage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You ever figure out exactly how much helium a fusion reactor would produce? It's a trivial quantity.

    19. Re:Helium shortage by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      That's why they are using plutonium-239 in a micro-reactor to generate heat to keep the balloons aloft.

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    20. Re:Helium shortage by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      A hot air balloon would not last 100 days, it would run out of fuel to heat the air before that. Pumping air in/out of the balloon is a standard way that airships change buoyancy, by having a smaller balloon inside the bigger one that you fill with normal air to reduce the volume of the helium (and that increases the density, thereby reducing lift).

    21. Re:Helium shortage by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      They should use hydrogen for the actual flights. Being 2 atoms of H, instead of a monatomic atom of He, the balloon will leak far less over time, and there's no danger of running out of H.

      As long as the envelope doesn't leak, there's no real danger of explosion. Even the Hindenberg didn't explode - it just burned.

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    22. Re:Helium shortage by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      helium is usually with natural gas; most helium right now is just vented right to the atmosphere, there is no real shortage on planet earth just wasting.

    23. Re:Helium shortage by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      There's this thing called history, which you're apparently doomed to repeat.

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    24. Re:Helium shortage by byornski · · Score: 1

      One would assume that these aren't going to have passengers or crew. If it blows up at altitude, the whole balloon should combust, producing harmless water. I am sure with modern safety precautions even the recovery could be automated to ensure that no human life is even endangered. Even the Hindenburg wasn't that great in terms of actual loss of life.

    25. Re:Helium shortage by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      This is from an article linked from Wikipedia:

      The X’ers also formed a partnership with Raven Aerostar, a company whose balloons have included early NASA near-space probes. Together they confronted problems involving flight duration, control, and power consumption that have baffled balloonists for centuries. Ultimately they came up with a dual-chamber design (one filled with helium, the other with air) and a system of valves that allowed low-energy altitude adjustments. “Ballooning is way harder than rocket science,” DeVaul says.

      To make the envelope, Raven Aerostar extrudes a special polyethylene film, only three times the thickness of the plastic that covers your typical loaf of bread and specially formulated to retain helium, resist pressure, and stay supple, even at –50 degrees Fahrenheit. The company now runs an assembly line for Google in Sulphur Springs, Texas, and it set up a second line near its headquarters in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. After all, if you’re going to encircle the globe with Internet-beaming UFOs, you’re going to need a lot of them.

      So, it's helium and air, which probably caused some of the confusion.

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    26. Re:Helium shortage by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Gees, hot air, helium, what difference does it make, why would you even bother with ballons. Harsh reality is if a country is too stupid to get it's fibre optic broadband push together than it deserves to slowly but surely get relegated to second world status for blind ignorance driven by nothing but psychopathic greed. Those first world countries that are still struggling with fibre to the premise have first world fuck wits in government being fed money in off shore tax havens by corrupt main stream media and telecom incumbents and they are kept in power by the cheetos brigade for whom the internet is nothing but a new source of commercials and being told what to buy and when to buy it in order to be happy and 'sic' a better person when you can pose around with all the shit you have bought.

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    27. Re:Helium shortage by gewalker · · Score: 1

      Classically, containing hydrogen gas is a worse leakage problem than helium, but this is primarily due to the other properties like flammability and metal embrittlement.

      Strictly considering leakage rates, Graham's law of effusion says that the rate of effusion is inversely proportional to the square rate of the molecular weights. So H2 leaks faster than He by a factor of about 1.414. Graham's law is of course an approximation as it ignores that molecular size is not strictly proportional to molecular weight, but it should be quite accurate when molecular sizes of the gas are considerably less than the holes in the container.

      Given that He is very much smaller then H2, I would expect somewhat less difference in effusion rates than than predicted by Graham's law, though this may not be measurable as far as I know.

      But for unmanned operation, I don't know why Google would not use H2. H2 is much cheaper and can be easily made on site with little technology.

      Theoretically, pure He has 93% the lifting capacity of H2 -- but your lifting gas is never pure and structural elements such as the balloon and frame have the same amount of dead weight in either case. So, in terms of payload, H2 is significantly better then He.

      A very nice article on lift comparison. points out that the Hindenburg design would simply not work using He as the lifting gas due to the "small difference" in buoyancy of the 2 gases.

    28. Re:Helium shortage by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      Umm.

      Coast to coast in america you are looking at a little over 2000 miles. You expect full fiber coverage over a landmass that even Mc Donalds can't spread their brand over. Note the big bubbles - that's one store serving a gigantic area

      http://all-that-is-interesting...

      In the midwest - Illinois, there are still areas that can't get dsl - let alone cable. They are restricted to speeds of 56k or less - some resort to satellite with the FUP hobble.

      Fiber is going to take many years to roll out in populous states, let alone the states like Nevada or Idaho. We're a bit larger and less populated than countries in europe per capita.

      So, Google is wrongly going after floating balloons since it's going to be incredibly expensive to fiber all of the united states. Unfortunately, google is going to continue to cause harm since they sold out.

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    29. Re:Helium shortage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it's a finite resource and it's necessary for certain scientific experiments. What we're mining should be stored and sold slowly for the next millenium. When we run out of oil, we'll need to move to other power sources. When we run out of helium, science will stop as we'll have no way to cool our superconductors.

    30. Re:Helium shortage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your "Less populated per capita" comment just gave me a brain aneurism. Somebody call 911.

    31. Re:Helium shortage by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Gas fields don't completely stop producing. They become uneconomic. The gas they produce doesn't cover the operation cost and they are capped.

      If helium was rare and expensive the helium rich capped fields would be opened up again.

      That said, for markets to work price must be set on the market. The current system of selling helium at a fixed price has got to change, if only to incentivise helium capture.

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    32. Re:Helium shortage by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      the second most abundant element in the universe is not a "finite resource"

      you are being silly with that alarmist nonsense about superconductors, we already have had superconductors at liquid nitrogen temperatures for 30 years

    33. Re:Helium shortage by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know, so many areas in the US don't have electricity, plumbing, roads, stormwater systems, and all of them individually are vastly more expensive than wiring up fibreoptic (let alone combined), wait, WHAT!? So many US business have got to be run by idiots, I mean, literally hundreds of thousands of owners and managers who a stupid enough to accept lies so they can be ripped off with hugely inflated communications costs, and all the future communications monitored and their communications strangled if they compete against subsidiaries or companies owned by major ISP management, SUCKERS.

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  5. Google Priority these days? by talent_blogger · · Score: 1

    Amazing to see what Google is upto these days :D

  6. filling it with enough *air* by drolli · · Score: 1

    You can fill it with as much air as you want, and it wont fly.

    And that is not what the google statement says

    1. Re:filling it with enough *air* by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Maybe Google is recycling politicians into Loon pilots/air heaters combo.

    2. Re:filling it with enough *air* by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      If you fill it with pure nitrogen, the majority component of air, it should be possible to get some buoyancy out of it and still have a tenuous justification for calling it air. The balloons would have to be pretty enormous, though.

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    3. Re:filling it with enough *air* by drolli · · Score: 1

      No, calling Nitrogen Air is as justified as calling Helium Air.

      Colloquially air is something you can breathe without dying.

      Technically air is well defined as a mixture of gases.

  7. Re:Are we being utterly stupid now? Party balloons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many olympic swimming pools are in a cubic meter?

  8. Re:Are we being utterly stupid now? Party balloons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What happened to actual units like cubic-meters? Too difficult for slashdot? Or is the number to small and just shows that "Google engineering" is not nearly as impressive as some people want it to look?

    It's machines like you that insist my muti-terabyte backup job log files report in bytes, which drives humans like me crazy.

    I hate having to convert shit to units that are completely uncommon.

    And no, this has jack shit to do with that whole metric argument. Much like my byte example, certain unit breakdowns are fucking pointless and worthless no matter what system you use.

  9. Re:Are we being utterly stupid now? Party balloons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not slashdot's fault; party balloon's the only unit given in "TFA".

  10. Re:Are we being utterly stupid now? Party balloons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many olympic swimming pools are in a cubic meter?

    ummmm zero. if you mean how many m3 in an Olympic sized pool then its about 2,500.

  11. balloon vs drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I see one of those balloons, I will try to destroy it with my experimental weaponized drone. Seriously.

    1. Re: balloon vs drones by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Just use a very large laser pointer. ;-)

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    2. Re: balloon vs drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you elaborate on the power and availability of such laser ? Sounds like a good alternative to my drone.

  12. Re:Are we being utterly stupid now? Party balloons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zero only to 0 decimal points. The correct answer is 0.0004.

  13. Hail our new helium overlords by swb · · Score: 1

    Is this project real, or just a sly attempt by Google to corner the market for helium?

    1. Re:Hail our new helium overlords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With cold-hard teutonic rationality I would argue they could also use H2 and if it does a Hindenburg, no Homo Sapiens likely dies.

    2. Re:Hail our new helium overlords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you count Africans as Homo Sapiens or not ?

    3. Re: Hail our new helium overlords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. And we also consider you as a Homo.

  14. Re:Are we being utterly stupid now? Party balloons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many people actually know what an olympic sized swimming pool looks like though for reference? You don't get the full impression of scale watching it on TV, and your local swimming pool doesn't compare.

  15. Who will clean up the mess? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like a wonderful idea... yet another source of littering on a planetary scale. And just what we need is yet another way of dissipating the supply of helium...

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      Yes, I noticed no response alerts as well.

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  17. Helium shortage, US govt effed-up by neurocutie · · Score: 1

    Helium is a totally nonrenewal resource, extremely valuable for thousands of important applications like MRI machines and other superconductors, and yet the US govt is selling off its reserve at cutrate prices that encourages party balloons and other wasteful uses. Helium will likely become a scarce resource that impacts national security and we're being stupid about managing its future supply.

    1. Re:Helium shortage, US govt effed-up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you know anything? People in Africa need to see google ads!

    2. Re:Helium shortage, US govt effed-up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm, sounds familiar, like another popular, multi-application non-renewable resource.
      -pnkwar

    3. Re:Helium shortage, US govt effed-up by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      At least Helium is something that the U.S. has a natural resource that somebody else wants.
      I doubt the Arab nations are as freaked out about depleting their oil as we are about depleting our helium.
      This kind of reminds me about a time at work where we had 20 terabytes on a SAN, most of which was unused. One of my projects was using about 300 GB on the SAN and IT was freaking out about it. "The storage costs $10,000 per terabyte!". My thinking is that it costs $10,000 per terabyte to leave it sitting there unused as well. What did we buy the system for if we are not going to let people use it?

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    4. Re:Helium shortage, US govt effed-up by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Yes, the government fsck'd up the helium market, but for applications like this it isn't that big of a deal. You can use hydrogen instead, although the flight time will likely be half due to leaks. For a while there was a good bit of research into using hydrogen as a deep diving gas in place of helium, but pesky safety issues got in the way.

    5. Re:Helium shortage, US govt effed-up by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      Most helium from the earth is just vented right now, the "shortage" is artificial. And it can be recovered from atmosphere just at greater cost than from venting at natural gas sites, which in the future will be how it is "mined". We'll never run out on any timescale that matters, the loss to outer space is only concern over geological time spans. Only economic "shortage", not material one.

    6. Re:Helium shortage, US govt effed-up by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1
      Air is 5 ppm helium and 15 ppm neon. Neon lifts balloons too, but we don't use it because it's too expensive to recover from the air, and recovering helium is even more inefficient.

      We'll never run out on any timescale that matters, the loss to outer space is only concern over geological time spans.

      NOTHING is a concern over geological time periods! The Sun will eventually swallow the Earth- but nobody seems to care too much. Helium depletion on Earth will be a blip on a geological time scale, but during that blip helium will be just a memory to several thousand generations.

      Helium is for sissies anyway. I don't care if Donald Trump commutes to work in a blimp refilled with freshly scented helium-3 every morning. MY airship has a pedal-powered generator to pump current through a electrolysis chamber. Hydrogen works so much better than helium anyway... it really gets you high.

  18. Re:Are we being utterly stupid now? Party balloons by itzly · · Score: 1

    That's why the SI system has prefixes, like tera.

  19. Re:Are we being utterly stupid now? Party balloons by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    Your post contains 377 characters. Once properly marked-up in HTML, it requires 431 bytes (3448 bits).

  20. major achievement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So this is what passes for a major achievement on /. now? Higher pressure air filling a balloon faster tgan lower pressure air?

  21. You ever wonder... by gatkinso · · Score: 1

    ...why cat food cans generally have pop-tops, but tuna fish cans generally don't?

    Project Loon strikes me this way: they are missing something obvious.

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  22. Environmental impact by Deep+Esophagus · · Score: 1

    I did a little googling (har) and didn't find much in the way of environmental impact studies. How will all this affect air traffic? Bird migrations? The atmosphere, when releasing helium (or whatever) during a descent? Who is going to clean up the mess when, not if, the balloons get caught up in a storm and go down in the middle of the Pacific, or get strewn across the Himalayas?

  23. Re:Are we being utterly stupid now? Party balloons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like to measure everything in terms of party balloons you insensitive clod!

  24. Is this a responsible use of Helium? by idji · · Score: 1

    Surely we should only be using helium in a reusable way.

    1. Re:Is this a responsible use of Helium? by Trapick · · Score: 1

      Like party balloons for children? Providing internet (communication/education/possibly employment) to millions of people in remote areas is a pretty responsible way to use helium in my book.

  25. Sounds like vaporware by ndogg · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure this is all just full of hot air.

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  26. Re: Are we being utterly stupid now? Party balloon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's approximation half a football field.

  27. Police applications by SinisterEVIL · · Score: 1

    I wonder how long until the balloons also carry stingrays

  28. Re: Are we being utterly stupid now? Party balloon by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Is that an American, Canadian, or Aussie Rules football field?

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  29. Rural America at 28.8bps... by Your+Average+Joe · · Score: 1

    We cannot get anything faster than 28.8 in the parts of america that is 15 miles from a town. What gives? These people have a copper phone line, power and in some cases natural gas. But no high speed internet. They do not do windows updates or update the browser or plugins until night when the computer can download all night. And they do not have a router so we have a windows machine right on the Internet ready for the latest Windows attacks.

    I think Microsoft should pay a LOT to get broadband to those people so they can get patched. Microsoft has more money than the US Federal government, or it appears that way....

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  30. Re: Are we being utterly stupid now? Party balloo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And a football field is about half the size of a stadium.

  31. Re:Are we being utterly stupid now? Party balloons by byornski · · Score: 1

    Zero to 0,1,2,3 dp...

  32. Space mining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't it be possible to get some helium from Jupiter ? I'm not saying it would be easy, but would it be technically feasible ? Is it even possible to get close enough to mqybe fill a big balloon with helium and get it back to USA ? I know it sound crazy, but I'd like to know if this is science fiction or not..

    1. Re:Space mining by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be possible to get some helium from Jupiter ?

      Try the Sun. It makes loads of it and it's nearer too. Bring some back for me.

  33. Re:Are we being utterly stupid now? Party balloons by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Use k/G/T/E/... for SI and ki/Gi/Ti/Ei... for IEC. Peopls not following standards have no business expecting that anybody understands what they are talking about. Really, do not blame your cluelessness on me, blame it on yourself.

    You are of course right about the useless units, like miles, gallons, stones, etc.

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  34. Re:Are we being utterly stupid now? Party balloons by gweihir · · Score: 1

    They are also a fail on a different level: Rubber balloons hold air under far higher pressure than hot-air balloons, so these are not even comparable if the volume aof a party balloon was somehow a defined quantity.

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  35. Re: Are we being utterly stupid now? Party balloon by grim-one · · Score: 1

    Which Aussie Rules football field? They're all different sizes.

  36. Re: Are we being utterly stupid now? Party balloon by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    I hereby disqualify grim-one on strong suspicion of being Aussie. ;)

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