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Samsung Seeking To Block Nvidia Chips From US Market
An anonymous reader writes: Bloomberg reports that Samsung has filed a complaint with the U.S. International Trade Commission asking them to block the import of Nvidia's graphics chips . This is part of Samsung's retaliation for a similar claim filed by Nvidia against Samsung and Qualcomm back in September. Both companies are wielding patents pertaining to the improved operation of graphics chips in cell phones and other mobile devices.
Paten trolls into hardware trolls - How about you folks go fuck yourselves.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
the consumer comes out ahead in all this, amirite?
Don't these 2 competitors realize by not sueing each other they both win?
In the end it doesn't matter who wins. the lawyers will take the money and both Nvidia and Samsung loose.
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Gotta be free to choke out the competition through legal chicanery, right?
I remember a Food Fight started during one lunch period when I was in Jr. High School. It was bewildering--why throw away all that good found? (My mother was a lousy cook and the school food was magnitudes better than hers) and wonderful--some one took responsibility by making lunch time fun and exciting. I'll bet Samsung, Qualcomm and nVidia will end up in the Principal's office and we might talk about for years.
Just merge. Capitalism's end game is a command economy where the "government" comprises a handful of ultra-wealthy groups who answer to nobody.
If you complain about no nvidia source code for linux drivers take note - it's because of this stupid patent troll shit that they get subjected to and had to deal with ever since some of the graphics team were at SGI.
This is a patent troll shit that NVIDIA STARTED!!!
Re read the summary. No idea sued first. Samsung is just defending themselves.
that argument only works if Nvidia were the victim here.
So when all the big players are sitting on their patent stockpiles in a classic MAD standoff, how the hell are any new players going to enter any tech markets ?
Patent law needs to be reformed quickly
A non-US company sueing a US company in a US court? We all know how that'll turn out.
The argument works because the software patent system exists instead of it being a copyright system. There should not be any victims or any way it can escalate into the current attempt at a denial of trade.
Ahhh yes, the old, it isn't there fault, it is the systems fault. NVidia acted like douche bags, just like they do with source code. HArdly suprising behavior from them and if you think the patent system being different would suddenly make them less of a dick then I have a bridge to sell you. The system sucks and one of the reasons it sucks is because of companies like NVidia.
You mean like Konami v. Roxor, the lawsuit over the Dance Dance Revolution patent that led to a claim construction in Konami's favor?
Honestly nVidia's business practices have been so shady recently, they make what Intel was doing in 2006 look tame. They do everything they can to make as many games as possible run poorly on anything other than nVidia GPUs, including sending employees to game studios to help "optimize" their games. They bribe review sites and "suggest" certain benchmarks to use. Also, thier legal department is more aggressive than Apple's. They deserve to be taken down a notch.
Is there any evidence (or even suspicion) that either side here used either the patent filing or actual stolen technology to create their product? If not then the laws are clearly broken when we are allowing non-revolutionary ideas to be patented.
Try reading my above post again instead of assuming I'm on the side of either Nvidia or Samsung. We lose more from this situation than either of them. Consequences are inflated prices to cover costs of this idiocy and information needlessly kept secret as a result of such idiocy.
As someone who works for a relatively large automotive manufacturer, who has actually dealt with nVidia at a partner level (unlike you, who I assume is just a random internet troll, probably some kind of richard stallman or AMD fanboi) - I can safely say there are very good legal reasons nVidia can not release their source code.
There are a solid dozen or so thirdparty software modules in their drivers (mostly desktop, but some are also for their mobile chips - some are common across the board) that aren't licensed to be redistributed, there is software specific to hardware IP which is patented and licensed by terms that forbid such redistribution, on top of nVidia's own software implementations of licensed patents and their own internal trade secrets and implementations of their own patents of course.
If you're so naive to think a company like nVidia who has been developing state of the art GPUs and stream processors for over TWO DECADES can simply open source such a complicated and well established code base based on such significant amounts of inter-dependent IP (of which some they can't control) - you're fucking naive.
The same goes for most GPUs (imgtec, vivante, qualcomm, etc, etc). The notable exceptions are AMD and Intel who have spent hundreds of millions, if not billions to reinvent the wheel themselves in ways that avoid patents and thirdparty modules - and the only reason those two specifically have managed to do it is because they've been making entire bloody systems (CPUs, memory modules, interconnects/busses, GPUs, etc) themselves for just as long.
If all technology was %100 open how far we'd be today. Companies would work hard as hell on products in a world where the best product wins. We live in a company with the best lawyers win world.
Actually I have worked with NVidia business wise and it is one of the reasons I would never trust that piece of shit company as far as I could throw it. I am certain there are lots of legal reasons to not release the code and I also agree they have made some great tech, neither of which make them a nice company, it is the naivety of the OP I disagree with in thinking that if the laws were different then somehow the pricks at NVidia would become nice people, it doesn't work that way.
All pants sold after 2014 must include an openable flap at the asshole/(other part) so citizen may be royal screwed at the whim of the law as simply as possible. Now this is a law our congress can pass.
It sounds like these guys are taking the concept of competition to ever higher extremes. Is this ever going to end? I, for one, am not eager to see corporate armies taking it to the battlefield. But then, maybe I already missed that train ...
...that the patent system is fubar.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Gee, and there I was, thinking you meant the commentary on this post....
Okay, police are tracking people on their cell phone. So they should know if you're in a car traveling with someone else. So they should be able to make like "facebook friends" of all the people who travel with you. If someone reports your car's license plate, they probably could just feasibly link that to your phone on a simple 1:1 database search and stop you down the road if you're driving erratically.
This makes me wonder how the public could contribute... Has anyone thought of, just for getting a full panopticon feel and a reverse likes of making a website that links bad driving with your license plate number? All you would do is take a video of a car driving bad in front of you, then upload it to a video sharing site, link it with the license plate on a searchable website. Suddenly all the bad driving someone does is now logged permanently on the Internet.
Now cops could "randomly" be browsing the worst offenders, and just "happen to be the the area" (by linking drivers licence to cell phone records against bad drivers within 1 mile of a patrol car), and hand out reckless tickets.
God spoke to me
I'm not endorsing anyone doing this for real. It is just a thought on the ramifications. If they can catch you more often when you do bad driving, would we stop hanging them high, and put lower fines on driving infractions?
God spoke to me
Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Hey, let's be frank
In technology almost everyone is a thief
Not only in the corporate settings, even in the academia setting thievery thrives --- you do not even need to look far to read stories of professors stealing and patenting students' ideas from himself / herself
And I am speaking from experience ... I had (at least) one idea stolen by my professor(s) and I couldn't do shit about it --- basically I had the choice of litigation (which would linger for ages) against my professor(s) and the university (which means I would never graduate) ...
...
... or I moved on
... by not disclosing any more ideas to anyone until I got my chance to try them out myself and patent them if they turn out to be useful
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
weeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have gone way beyond normal competition these days. Its become a business in itself to file patent infringements, technology sharing disagreements and who actually holds the licenses to some technology. Apple certainly started things rolling but all of them found out that if you can't make money selling products. Then sue the other company for something. Be creative if you have too. Lawyers are definitely having some job security these days.
We ran into the same sort of trouble with OpenSolaris. Significant chunks of the Solaris codebase were licensed from other parties and had to be replaced or worked around.
But I have an Nvidia Geforce 630 in my computer now. So is the Geforce 630 made in the U.S.A.?
Nothing would make me happier.
From an open source perspective Nvidia is far worse than Samsung with regards to hardware openness.
I mean, I have been very careful over the years to not buy phones, tablets, video cards that are associated with Nvidia in my private computing and professional computing experience.
I urge everyone here to do the same and put your dollars privately in those situations professional consulting can sway your customers opinion towards companies that have open hardware. Even companies who are not open fully, like AMD, but much more so than Nvidia.
Building a great operating system with source code requires open hardware.
Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
from getting a GF 960 for Christmas, Samsung is gonna get it.