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Here's What Your Car Could Look Like In 2030

Nerval's Lobster writes: If you took your cubicle, four wheels, powerful AI, and brought them all together in unholy matrimony, their offspring might look something like the self-driving future car created by design consultants IDEO. That's not to say that every car on the road in 2030 will look like a mobile office, but technology could take driving to a place where a car's convenience and onboard software (not to mention smaller size) matter more than, say, speed or handling, especially as urban areas become denser and people potentially look at "driving time" as a time to get things done or relax as the car handles the majority of driving tasks. Then again, if old science-fiction movies have proven anything, it's that visions of automobile design thirty or fifty years down the road (pun intended) tend to be far, far different than the eventual reality. (Blade Runner, for example, posited that the skies above Los Angeles would swarm with flying cars by 2019.) So it's anyone's guess what you'll be driving a couple decades from now.

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  1. car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Everything will still look the same except they'll all be wired to the internet so every place you go to will be tracked, in the name of safety

    1. Re:car by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Yes, the politicians will feel really safe.

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    2. Re:car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the self-driving future car created by design consultants IDEO

      It looks like a black rectangle to me. Maybe their web page is just fucked up.

    3. Re:car by vtcodger · · Score: 2

      It looks like a black rectangle to me. Maybe their web page is just fucked up.

      Didn't miss anything. I got as far as the first slide. Or maybe it's their site web page. Whatever it is, it is quite incomprehensible. I don't know what my car will look like in 15 years -- assuming I'm still alive and still have a car. But I'm virtually certain that these dudes will have no role whatsoever in it's design and implementation.

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    4. Re:car by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Came for the Homermobile, saw "0% loading". Left disappointed.

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    5. Re:car by stooo · · Score: 1

      Here's What Your Car Could Look Like In 2030 :

      http://www.extravaganzi.com/wp...

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    6. Re:car by Rei · · Score: 2

      But that IS the car of the future. Fully automated, but due to bugs it never shows up to give you a ride.

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    7. Re:car by thedonger · · Score: 1

      Everything will still look the same except they'll all be wired to the internet so every place you go to will be tracked, in the name of safety

      Everything will look the same, but be a half a degree warmer.

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    8. Re:car by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      No gears? No thanks. Goddamn hipster fixed gear bikes...

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    9. Re:car by lucien86 · · Score: 1

      No. :(

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  2. Not so fancy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My car of the future will need javascript to display anything? No thanks: I'll stick to my hyper text markup locomotive and its nice declarative setup!

    Really though, I already opt for a slower commute via a vehicle I don't have to control so I can get things done while in transport. I bus to work. The mystical future is here: I can /. while driven to work. I'm ahead of my time by 16 years!

    1. Re:Not so fancy. by davester666 · · Score: 1

      No, all your data will be helpfully routed through your car manufacturers servers and your insurance companies servers. And no using a VPN or SSL, that would violate your cars TOS, which also voids your insurance.

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    2. Re:Not so fancy. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Like you get any say in that. Your car will be so locked down that you can't even change the oil yourself, let alone make decisions about its electronic makeup.

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    3. Re:Not so fancy. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      By that time, my car won't require oil. At least, not for lubricating an engine. What a primitive concept.

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    4. Re:Not so fancy. by Rei · · Score: 1

      Oh, come now, you act like today's gas engines are pointlessly overcomplicated in comparison to an electric motor.... ;)

      The sad thing is, EV motors are still more expensive than equivalent-power gasoline engines today, simply due to volume. Even with the much greater complexitiy (and usually more sensitive tolerances and harsher operating environments), the huge volumes and long-refined production processes mean they're churned out amazingly cheaply in comparison to the challenge at hand.

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    5. Re:Not so fancy. by operagost · · Score: 1

      Even hovercars have moving parts...

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    6. Re:Not so fancy. by Rei · · Score: 1

      Moving parts != motor oil. Electric motors most commonly have a small amount of grease that's designed to never need replacement. There's also some that use hydraulic or air bearings.

      Motor oil that's designed to wear out with time is part of the consequences of having to work in the harsh environment of internal combustion engines. It's not a fundamental requirement of moving parts.

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  3. They can't even get the present right by quietwalker · · Score: 1

    You'd think a 'future vision' company would know better than to provide some sort of brochure site that acts and works as poorly as this one does. Navigating through this was like trying to play a first person shooter using chopsticks to control the keyboard and mouse.

    1. Re:They can't even get the present right by mjwx · · Score: 1

      You'd think a 'future vision' company would know better than to provide some sort of brochure site that acts and works as poorly as this one does. Navigating through this was like trying to play a first person shooter using chopsticks to control the keyboard and mouse.

      Hold on there.

      These are "design and innovation professionals" not engineers. You cant expect them to have the web site working fluidly and intuitively. They've got to make sure the kerning is perfect and the corners are rounded just right.

      It's not their fault you dont understand their future vision based communication sphere.

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    2. Re:They can't even get the present right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Navigating through this was like trying to play a first person shooter using chopsticks to control the keyboard and mouse.

      All you need is a mouse to click and scroll. I don't believe you're making your point.

  4. Car as Mobile Office? by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 1

    I think a safer bet would be to predict that by 2030, the Average American, no longer able to afford a home or pay exorbitant rents in the major Metro Areas will turn to Self Driving RVs that feature a small smart car or scooter module for zipping around town to serve as their mode of transportation, mobile office and domicile

    1. Re:Car as Mobile Office? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are plenty of American cities where $100k will buy you a nice house.

      My 2k square foot house in a historic neighborhood was $74k. It's walking distance from grocery stores, bars, and my medium size city's downtown. I've got food trucks, craft beer stores, restaurants, organic markets, nightclubs, coffeeshops, and more. I've got a couple cars, and a motorcycle. I can drive to Atlanta, DC, or Chicago in less than a day.

      Wages are slightly lower here than in NYC. The cost of living is far lower than NYC.

      And this is not the only mid sized city like this.

    2. Re:Car as Mobile Office? by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 1

      By 2030, the average American will be driving a car like Sam Lowry drove in Brazil. Apartments will look Lowry's also.

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    3. Re:Car as Mobile Office? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess that makes sense. Seems like you also noticed that the future will have no babies and no place for them in the cars (or anything to hold them around)! (I guess nobody will want to pay for college). They seem to have oversized changing tables though.

  5. Remember to allow scripts. by khasim · · Score: 1

    Because nothing says "the future" like having to run scripts to see anything on their page.

    Dense urban grids. Self-driving vehicles. Flexible workspaces.

    Sentence.

    Fragments.

    So this was just some slashvertisement to run up Ideo's page count? I'm not waiting for their site to load whatever-it-is that it was trying to load.

  6. Well Done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Despite the endless mouse scrolling I had to do, I really enjoyed the vision. I liked most of the ideas and the delivery trucks are probably coming first. The mobile offices were particularly forward-thinking and counter-intuitive. What about cleaning those WOW vehicles? Clear sided car? Have you seen how some people treat their cars? But still, well done.

  7. As a side note, my own thoughts on future autos; by quietwalker · · Score: 1

    To combat the growing congestion and to meet ever-more-stringent environmental concerns (both for the sake of the environment and because it makes a place nicer), we'll block off most of the high density cities to standard auto traffic, and instead a city (or licensed companies) will maintain a fleet of local-only self-driving cars that work as taxis along side the few human-operated larger delivery vehicles. Whatever the form of ubiquitous computing is around (cell phones, etc) will allow on demand pickups as well as scheduled trips (commuting, school, etc) and even provide for things like package delivery.

    Eventually car ownership in certain cities will be seen as completely unnecessary or too high of an expense, like in Tokyo, for example. Since the urban sprawl appears likely to continue to grow, it seems that this trend only become more and more likely. Personal car ownership - like in the demo - will be a rare thing, and you'd never use it living minutes from downtown anyway.

  8. Rent your desk what a Idea (need more worker right by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Rent your desk what a Idea (need more worker rights) as things may get so bad that people may just trun to the jail / prison as a place to live. VS being a independent contractor but controlled like a w2.

  9. Better link. by khasim · · Score: 1

    This link might work better for you.
    http://www.huhcorp.com/

  10. Cat? by dohzer · · Score: 1

    I only clicked this link because I thought it said "Here's What Your Cat Could Look Like In 2030" and read the words "cubicle", "AI" and "wheels".

  11. Huh? by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

    I thought we'd have flying cars?

    Oh, I get it, this is the 21st century dream of having flying cars...

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    1. Re:Huh? by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      No. a flying car would offer way too much freedom for the plebes. There's no way the totalitarians in power would allow this.

    2. Re:Huh? by lbmouse · · Score: 1

      The Cubs have to be able to win the World Series first.

    3. Re:Huh? by Rei · · Score: 1

      And IIIIII will love you again! I will love you! Like I uuuuuuussssed tooooooo!

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    4. Re:Huh? by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Given how awful a lot of people are at driving, do you really want them in the sky too?

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  12. There's Still Time! by Bob9113 · · Score: 2

    Blade Runner, for example, posited that the skies above Los Angeles would swarm with flying cars by 2019.

    It's only 2014. There's still 5 years. Get to work, everyone!

    1. Re:There's Still Time! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      Dibs on the Daryl Hannah bot.

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    2. Re:There's Still Time! by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      Blade Runner, for example, posited that the skies above Los Angeles would swarm with flying cars by 2019.

      It's only 2014. There's still 5 years. Get to work, everyone!

      Not only that, but as I recall, the movie showed the police having flying cars, and everyone else on foot or bicycle because they were poor.

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    3. Re:There's Still Time! by robi5 · · Score: 1

      Not all flying cars looked new. Some of them looked like 5 year old cars.

  13. Re:As a side note, my own thoughts on future autos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not gonna happen.

    Not only do many of us not live in the largest cities, most Americans live in places where personal cars are not a luxury, they're an absolute necessity.

    And even the largest cities in the US are built for cars, only Chicago and NYC are even practical without one. Every other American city is a car city, and is going to stay that way for the foreseeable future. Los Angeles will be drivable 100 years from now, so will Phoenix, so will Atlanta. The cars may be electric, the power plants may be fusion reactors, but Americans will drive cars.

  14. Waiting... by Animats · · Score: 1

    3% loading...
    Page with 3 icons loads. Click on first icon. Background sound loop of birds chirping with wihite noise and gap at the end of the loop starts. That's all that happens.

    Firefox 33 on Ubuntu reports: Media resource http://automobility.ideo.com/a... could not be decoded. automobility.ideo.com
    TypeError: e[0].play is not a function main.js:1
    TypeError: e[0].pause is not a function main.js:1

    Don't they test their code?

    1. Re:Waiting... by Animats · · Score: 1

      OK, here's a site with an interview with IDEO's designer. It has the key pictures without the UI from hell.

      This is the Eric Schmidt vision of the future. People will still go to offices and have meetings. They'll just have better cars and presentation tools, and better delivery services for physical stuff.

      Will we really need that many office workers? That's the huge question. Given the head counts at newer companies, probably not.

    2. Re:Waiting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does say you need the latest version of each browser. Why haven't you upgraded to Firefox 33.1 yet? :P

    3. Re:Waiting... by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1

      Don't bother. The website was horrifically obnoxious even after it took 15 minutes to load. The presentation was just so annoying difficult to navigate I gave up after a few clicks. Whatever happened to simple web page layouts that present information in an easy to consume manner? Text and pictures... don't need all this flash and crap.

    4. Re:Waiting... by nathan+s · · Score: 2

      The last photo of all the cubicle-cars in a warehouse is pretty amusing. If you install a toilet and a bed in these things, you can just put food in and get work out - no need to let your workers "go home" or anything else that could compromise productivity - just keep them locked in their transparent cells and put them wherever you need them. Seriously, how can he look at his design and not think of prisons?

    5. Re:Waiting... by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      These retarded webdesigners have made me waste 50MB in this ridiculous site...

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  15. Chrysler Turbine Car by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 1

    I've been waiting to buy one since 1962.

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  16. Re:As a side note, my own thoughts on future autos by epyT-R · · Score: 1

    Until freedoms and due process rights are restored, along with new statues protecting privacy, remote controlled cars (and homes and..) will only end badly.

  17. Re:As a side note, my own thoughts on future autos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Personal car ownership - like in the demo - will be a rare thing, and you'd never use it living minutes from downtown anyway.

    This last assumption is the basis of your entire statement. And alas it's flawed. People are trying to move out of city centres because it's just too damned expensive to live there. Unless one of two things drastically change in the coming decades it's still cheaper and easier (despite being a massive waste of time) for people to endure peak traffic coming to and from work: (1) public transport dramatically improves in services and costs, and (2) more people are allowed to telecommute.

  18. Future Office by David_Hart · · Score: 2

    I would think that the office of the future would consist of people working from home and connecting to VR environments. The only reason why people still go into work is because the boss requires a presence and it aids in ad-hoc communications. If you can accomplish the same thing through VR (i.e. walk around the office, stop at the water cooler, catch side conversations, etc.) then most information workers (those that don't require interaction with physical objects) can simply work from home and pocket the transportation savings. Plus, it would ease road congestion.

    1. Re:Future Office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And most will be working from very remote locations with very low wages.

    2. Re:Future Office by bhv · · Score: 1

      It's more about being able to work all the time. At home, at the mall, at gramma's house or on the way to and from any where. Just run out to the car (loosely termed) and get to it. The office is always with you.

      The only word that comes to mind for me is "Depressing".

  19. Cars aren't the future of travel by asasdlfgnjl · · Score: 1

    Anybody who has played SimCity knows the future of city travel is train/trollys with stops at every intersection between commercial/industrial blocks and every two residential.

  20. Cars in 2030? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's what suck looks like today.

    Many, that could have been a 5 minute video and I wouldn't have had to scroll and click as much for the inanity of it all. Yes, I can perfectly imagine what self-driving vehicles will be like, without the overly optimistic handholding, thank you very much. Why is every future scenario devolve into retard curves ala Sylvester Stallone's Demolition Man?

  21. my car will look the same as it does now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    16 years isn't that long. By that time the scratches, dents, and holes will have been repaired and different ones will have been acquired.

  22. VR instead of self driving mobile offices by Begemot · · Score: 1

    It is safer to predict that due to the quickly developing VR tech, many more will work from home because it's cheaper, greener, and better utilizes everyone's time.

    There will be no reason to meet face to face for work.

    Even today it's just the old habits.

    1. Re:VR instead of self driving mobile offices by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Sadly no. The technology for that is here already. Has been for a long time. When you look around your office, I'm fairly sure you will not encounter any kind of "telepresence" technology that has not been available 15 years ago. Maybe not as refined and maybe not as easy to use, but everything that is actually in use in offices today has been available at least for 15 years. So I guess it is safe to assume that the telepresence technology that will be an office staple in the 2030s will be technology that we already have today. Maybe much more refined and more user friendly, but the technology is here.

      The problem here is managers who are so in love with micromanagement. If they don't let you work from home because they don't get that feeling of power over you today, they won't let you do the same in 15 years. Maybe when this generation is gone we'll have a shot at it.

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  23. Mostly Obsolete by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    I suspect that communications infrastructure will play a bigger role than vehicles and that telecommuting will become more of a norm for people than it is now.

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    1. Re:Mostly Obsolete by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I suspect that communications infrastructure will play a bigger role than vehicles and that telecommuting will become more of a norm for people than it is now.

      There's no good way to tell; here in the USA our communications infrastructure is vying with our road infrastructure for which is a bigger pile of shit. There are seriously third-world countries with better broadband penetration

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    2. Re:Mostly Obsolete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Broadband infrastructures were recently assessed and the USA came out near the top, and third-world countries came nowhere close.

    3. Re:Mostly Obsolete by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Broadband infrastructures were recently assessed and the USA came out near the top,

      BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      And also

      BAHAHAHAHAHA.

      Fifteenth in per-capita broadband penetration is terrible for the country that invented the internet, and we're only headed in the wrong direction. And if the FCC gets their way and gets to reclassify broadband as 10Mbps, which is realistic today, then we'll slip even further.

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    4. Re:Mostly Obsolete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are roughly 200 countries in the world. 15th is near the top and it has greater than average penetration for the developed world. It does not match with the assertion that it is worse than some third-world countries that you made.

    5. Re:Mostly Obsolete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Fifteenth in per-capita broadband penetration is terrible for the country that invented the internet

      And pretty good for a country 4th in the world by landmass.

  24. Re:As a side note, my own thoughts on future autos by mjwx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The car of the future will look and act much like the car of today. In the last 50 years the basic premise of the car hasn't changed, 4 wheels powered by an engine controlled by pedals and a wheel.

    There hasn't been a radical design change to the car because there's no need for one. By 2030 we wont have fully autonomous cars either. So all cars will still have a steering wheel, pedals and a gear selector (even if it's just D P and R in EV's).

    This company is trying to pass off a futuristic looking kitchen table as a "future vision" car whilst ignoring that their glass box as an office workspace has the following problems:
    - Not aerodynamic.
    - Top heavy.
    - Glass has no protection from penetration.
    - Cars wont be without manual controls in our lifetime (if nothing else, there will be people who like to drive).
    - Has no space for energy storage or engines.
    - Has no rear or forward visibility.
    - Offers no privacy.
    - Ugly as sin.

    You can tell the company doesn't have a single engineer as they haven't even put in room for the basics like an engine and fuel tank/battery and dont seem to get that people aren't exhibitionists who like driving around in glass booths let alone considered the effects of inertia on items you place on the table.

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  25. What these "futurists" usually ignore by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    is that companies don't want to make stuff that benefits the customer, they want to make what benefits them. So, in a nutshell, here's the core features of the car of the future.

    - Can only be in any way maintained or even repaired by a garage that has some kind of adhesion contract with the car maker. You can't do jack yourself, be glad you can still start it without paying someone through your nose.
    - Every part, even the most insignificant one, will have some patented chip that needs to be "married" to your car to ensure you only use original parts, not some knock offs or (heaven forbid!) stuff you 3d-printed yourself.
    - Every kind of electronics will be on a lease, good for a year, then it has to be reactivated or "renewed", of course by a licensed mechanic in one of the aforementioned adhesive contracted garages.
    - Your engine could easily do 60+ miles on the gallon, if it didn't have to lug around a metric ton of various "security" and "safety" stuff that became mandatory over the course of the next years.
    - It will have sensors pretty much everywhere, including an air pressure sensor in the tires so you can't even switch them yourself anymore (think I'm kidding? The EU is doing that right as we're talking).

    And that's just what I came up with without pondering.

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    1. Re:What these "futurists" usually ignore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that most of the downsides you mention will follow but on the other hand, I accept them because it's no different than any other sophisticated technology - especially technology which if it fails might cause fatalities. Just like everything else - cars are becoming more technologically advanced and mostly because that's what sells (hard core tinkerers can always buy second hand and pimp the shit out of them). And if you think about it - what sophisticated gadgets that you have at home can you maintain yourself? And if you have to take it somewhere to be fixed, don't you prefer that whoever fixes it has some qualifications if your life depends on it?

      Good regulation might alleviate some of the problems, though. Such as requiring that parts which are not safety-critical may not have such lock-in.

      Can you elaborate on your issue with tyre pressure sensors? My Primera had them as an option for stupid people ten years ago and indeed people choosing to have them must take theirs to a mechanic to be changed.

    2. Re:What these "futurists" usually ignore by Sique · · Score: 1
      All your gripes might somehow be true, but are they really a problem? About 100 years ago, everyone knew how to grow their own food. About 50 years ago, everyone know how to cook their own food. Today, to many of us, the knowledge has reduced to how to buy your own food -- and even this gets more complicated with all the warning labels, ingredient lists and dietary requirements.

      My car has tire pressure sensors, yes. I have no problems with that. It's a leased car anyway, and the tires are part of the leasing contract. Sometimes after a change, I have to reset the pressure sensor after a few hundred miles. And that's all I have to do about tire maintenance. I'm happy with that, I don't like doing tire maintenance.

      If the selfdriving cars become affordable, I'll buy one. I drive with as many automatics as possible right now anyway. Cruise control? Speed limiter? Yeah! I really like those. Sometimes I even adjust speed by changing the settings on these rather than using the pedals. Every repetitive task the car can do itself I don't need to do. And keeping the current speed or getting down from 65 mph to 55 mph because of a speed limit is a boring task I don't want to be involved in more than necessary. I know that makes the car very sophisticated, much more sophisticated than I'll be willing to learn -- I have other things to do, which I like more. And weight gained? My car does 50 mpg. That's what the bord computer tells me after 8000 miles. It includes city driving and long distances and many steep mountain roads. The weight went into large glas sheets, into better crash protection features and a few little amenities like air condition. I'm ok with that.

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    3. Re:What these "futurists" usually ignore by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The point is that you CAN if you WANT to. You still can grow your own food if you so choose. I don't know how to grow my own food and frankly, I don't care about it. And the same is true for my car. But I do not like that trend that we get more and more dependent on the whims of corporations. And this leads to monopolies, something that is by its very definition anathema to the creed of the free market. Only if there is someone who CAN offer an alternative you really have a choice. If you can only get your car serviced by a mechanic who has the blessing from the car manufacturer, the manufacturer essentially dictates how, when and most of all how long you may use your car. Because he can simply refuse to produce spare parts anymore while at the same time making it essentially illegal and impossible to get them anywhere else, or finding someone who is able to fit them to your car.

      The point is not whether I or you can do it. The point is whether the maker of an item can dictate its use. It's already bad enough with computers and content, I really don't need that crap everywhere else.

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    4. Re:What these "futurists" usually ignore by Opportunist · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:What these "futurists" usually ignore by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      I disagree with your assertion that about 100 years ago everyone knew how to grow their own food. Where did you come up with that? And, please, there is no excuse for not being able to cook if even just well enough to feed yourself.

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  26. That has to be the worst website I've ever seen. by xtal · · Score: 1

    From a design company?

    Shame.

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  27. In other words, no real change. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    Either way, it means fancy golfcarts for most of us, while the policymaking environmentalist nomenklatura drive whatever they want.

    Yes, there's a problem with that.

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  28. Re: Autonomy is the killer-app... by taiwanjohn · · Score: 1

    because it has the potential to make "transportation service" a commodity, and rescue suburbia from rising fuel costs. If you don't have to pay for a driver, then taxi service essentially becomes short-term car rental. And if your main expenditure is the fuel/energy to run errands, then it would be very easy to live without a car, and probably cheaper too.

    Let's just hope the "killer app" status doesn't refer to its safety record.

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  29. An open source car made to be customized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Modern cars are dull. I want to see more kit cars, more individual cars on the street. What we need is a new version of the Volkswagen Beetle with a self supporting frame that can be uses as a base for customized cars. The engine to ensure low emissions, the frame ans chassis for safety, the electric interfaces are provided by the base model, but the body and interior can be customized freely.

    Here are examples of cars that were built on a Beetle chassis:
    1952 VW-Porsche 356 Glockler Spyder Kit Car
    The Apal Jet
    Brubaker box
    Fiberfab Bonito
    Porsche 696 Beutler

    And the engineers did not even think about customization when they designed the Beetle. Now imagine if there was a car designed from the beginning to be customized. Wouldn't that be great? I do not expect this to come from the established car manufacturers, but maybe some Chinese car company is looking for an idea to get more attention? Do this, I have been waiting long enough.

    1. Re:An open source car made to be customized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm with you. Modern cars are ugly pieces of plastic, with stupid looking scratches on the sides straight from the factory. Unfortunately there is no going back. The "safety" and "environment" rules and laws and general anti-hacking (hacking as in people doing stuff themselves) atmosphere will prevent anything good looking and functional and nicer to be built. It'll only get worse.

  30. Ugly as shit by rebelwarlock · · Score: 1

    And this is supposed to be from a design company? I think I'll just walk.

  31. At first I read "Here's What Your Cat Could Look L by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I misread

  32. Design consultants? - Checks out! by 91degrees · · Score: 1

    Their web design looks absolutely gorgeous, but it's inefficient and not remotely fit for purpose.

    1. Re:Design consultants? - Checks out! by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      Their web design looks absolutely gorgeous, but it's inefficient and not remotely fit for purpose.

      ... introducing the Apple iCar.

    2. Re:Design consultants? - Checks out! by Holi · · Score: 1

      Eye of the beholder I guess. I think it looks like the dhtml crap we saw in the 90's.

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  33. Re:As a side note, my own thoughts on future autos by Ichijo · · Score: 1

    Los Angeles will be drivable 100 years from now, so will Phoenix, so will Atlanta.

    That's true, but as those cities densify and land becomes more valuable, they will be forced to find more land-efficient ways to move people around. Parking meter prices will necessarily rise to prevent parking shortages as more people try to fit their vehicles into a constant number of parking spaces.

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  34. Re:At first I read "Here's What Your Cat Could Loo by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    I misread

    OK, just for you, Here's What Your Cat Could Look Like In 2030.

  35. From the point of view of someone loving cars by Nikademus · · Score: 1

    This looks like the perfect description of what hell would look like after apocalypse...

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    1. Re:From the point of view of someone loving cars by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing you're a fan of driving, not necessarily of cars. Before you complain, what are your thoughts about all cars having automatic transmissions?

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    2. Re:From the point of view of someone loving cars by Nikademus · · Score: 1

      My every day car has a 7 speed dual-clutch gearbox, and I would prefer a manual one but that was a no go if I wanted the engine I took... Sometimes you have to make compromises.

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    3. Re:From the point of view of someone loving cars by Holi · · Score: 1

      mine has a 5 speed manual, then again it's 14 years old.

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  36. Depends on what kind of world we live in by jandersen · · Score: 1

    Self-driving vehicles? Well, they are almost here, so that's not too hard to imagine, but I think changes in society are going to drive us away from the amount of traffic we see today. One of the major factors in car ownership has been the fact that owning a car was the only way to easily get from your home to your workplace; we've have seen a trend towards working from home, which, although not ideal, still seems a better alternative to many people, and I think we will see an increase in variations over this theme. Perhaps we will see more something like small, local, shared offices, where people go to work near to home, but not necessarily with colleagues from your own company.

  37. Microsoft? by Old+Aylesburian · · Score: 1

    Aargh!!! All those jokes about 'If Microsoft Made Cars' are going to come true!

    1. Re:Microsoft? by sfsp · · Score: 2

      "Unfortunately, Rachel's maneuver placed the car in the intersection, going the wrong way. Her sudden appearance in the cross-lanes caused cars to veer in all three dimensions and windshields in at least a half dozen cars turned blue as the auto-pilots went into spastic fault-mode."

      from "Let's Go to Prague!", by John Ringo.

      In the Honorverse timeline, this is about 4020 AD.

  38. the times they are a changin' by swell · · Score: 1

    Eeyow, I'm trying very hard not to rant about irresponsible child-bearing which contributes greatly to transportation problems and just about every evil on our planet ... OK, ok, I think I've got it under control ...

    There was a time when people lived in rural areas and had to provide their own water & sewage systems, and their own transportation. I was there. We idolized cars and horsepower. We souped 'em up & tricked 'em out. Today's young people have little love for cars and many don't bother to get a license to drive. They take the bus, taxi, subway or bicycle to get around town. The trend to urbanization continues, and at a rapid rate in China and some other areas. City planners are now encouraging this to preserve what little open space remains in outlying areas.

    It is ludicrous for an urban dweller to own a car today. Various services will make it more so in the future. Rentals and use of borrowed robocars will serve future urban users, but ordinary public transportation will be even more prevalent.

    If you work a farm or the oil fields of North Dakota, you need your own transportation. Otherwise, be smart and use what's provided for you, often at taxpayer expense.

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    1. Re:the times they are a changin' by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      " work a farm or the oil fields of North Dakota"

      You've been in the city too long. Go 20 miles outsize of any city center and the only option for reliable, time-efficient transportation is a car. Inside any of the top 20-30 cities - sure, getting around the city is going to be more efficient on public or hired transportation. That covers about 7000-8000 square miles of the 3 million square miles that makes up the lower 48. By population, it's only about 30 million of the 330 million US residents.

      For the vast majority of the US personal automobiles are, and will remain, a necessity for the typical American lifestyle.

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    2. Re:the times they are a changin' by operagost · · Score: 1

      The fact is that the ruling class doesn't like that. They want the middle and lower classes sequestered in the cities while they enjoy the privilege of living wherever they please. They support of high oil prices, while blocking any practical replacement for fossil fuels. They use the media to instill middle-class guilt for preferring safer, more private life in the suburbs.

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  39. Re:As a side note, my own thoughts on future autos by migloo · · Score: 1

    I do not agree.
    Extrapolating the current situation, my best guess for 2030 is that cars will very much look like horse carriages.

  40. White text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The car of the future looks just like white text on a black background. I didn't expect that.

  41. About the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and here's why:
    2030 Isn't that far away. Let's face it, many people (me included) drive a car that is 16 years or older. And my car isn't very different from modern cars. Sure, the paint is a bit faded, and it doesn't have anything fancy technology other than what i installed myself, but it looks more up to date with contemporary models than how contemporary models compare with the flying cars of Blade Runner and Back to the Future.

    Body shapes evolve with style, and they will continue to do so, but it's been a while since i've seen anything radical in terms of how a car looks. Generally they still have four wheels, one steering wheel, 5 seats, 4 doors, and an engine in one end, and they will most likely remain so. Anything that challenges this design will result in the following reactions:
    1) "Why????"
    2) "You know, this is actually OK"
    3) adopted by a small design oriented culture that sacrifices functionality over design "Think different!"

    Oh wait, we already have cars that fit into category 3. It's called sports cars. As much as I would like to own one, i would still have to own a practical car in addition to it, as i cannot see how one would transport wife and 3 kids in a DB9.

    My current car is a -96 Volvo 940, and until one that fits the same purpose can outprice and outperform (and outlive? Not bloody likely), it will remain my car for quite some time. And a replacement will most likely look around the same, as i have found the general shape and form my car needs to have.

    Well, that's until i turn 40 and i need to rejuvinate my image, and by that time there's a DB9 with my name on it.

    1. Re:About the same by Nikademus · · Score: 1

      Actually, there are some sports cars where you can fit a family. It might depend what you call a sports car.
      For example, look at the Porsche Panamera. OK, for my part I find it ugly, but that might be just me.
      Or the Ferrari FF, it looks quite nice and is a true sports car with 4 seats.
      Or even the upcoming Mercedes CLA shooting brake.

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  42. Might as well stay home. by funkelectric · · Score: 1

    If you can work from your car, you can probably work from home. Yes yes, sometimes people need to meet. Funkelectric's rule of work: You need to meet less often than you think, even taking into account Funkelectric's rule of work.

  43. Probably won a design award by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > looks absolutely gorgeous, but it's inefficient and not remotely fit for purpose.

    Exactly the criteria for winning a design award. You might enjoy The Design of Everyday Things, a great book.

  44. Mine will look different! by MagickalMyst · · Score: 1

    In 2030 my car will look just like it does today.

    And it will be the same year, too.

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    1. Re:Mine will look different! by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Thankyou. Mine too.

      IMHO, the best car is one with NO computer tech or LCD screens in it.

    2. Re:Mine will look different! by mspohr · · Score: 1

      I have a 15 year old car which still works just fine... be interesting to see if I can keep it running for another 15 years.

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  45. In Obamerica everyone rides bus by gelfling · · Score: 1

    To wait on line at store to buy bread and vodka.

    1. Re:In Obamerica everyone rides bus by n6kuy · · Score: 1

      But you'll be able to get by on 6 Rubles per day.

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    2. Re:In Obamerica everyone rides bus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please STFU, go sit back down in front of the TV, and carry on watching Fox "News," kiddo.

  46. Re:That has to be the worst website I've ever seen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course it's from a design company. Have you not seen a design company's website before?

  47. Re: Autonomy is the killer-app... by Rei · · Score: 2

    It also deals with the parking issue. If you don't have to walk to / from parking then it doesn't matter if it's inconveniently far from where you need to go. So you can reclaim urban space. Also, automated driving would be a big time saver in many ways - for example, letting the car drive the kids to school or things of that nature. It'd also greatly facilitate shopping services - aka, if you want to buy a stack of plywood from a hardware, it's not like the store has to pay a courier to ship it to you, they just have to load it into the empty pickup truck. Rapid end-to-end personal delivery of goods would be expected to skyrocket. I'd expect that tiny automated delivery vehicles would then become common to meet the needs of small deliveries. Yes, there would be more vehicles on the move, but they'll be able to be on the move much more efficiently, with close convoying significantly increasing road throughput and decreasing aerodynamic drag. When all traffic is automated on public roads, you can even have roads automatically reconfigure themselves, with most roads being one-way but that way changing in accordance with need.

    People will still own cars. Because you can't store things in other people's cars, you don't know if someone else's car will be beat to heck or smell bad or whatnot, etc, plus the certainty that you can have a vehicle that meets your needs on call right when you need it. But it'll be more of a luxury than it is today, not so much of a necessity. Also, people are still going to want to drive - for fun. Just like people boat for fun and fly for fun - lots of people quite simply enjoy driving and that's not just going to suddenly change. But this will come into conflict with everyone else's needs. The end result will vary from road to road, with most busy urban roads automatic-only but many rural roads, especially scenic ones allowing mixed traffic. However, the more automated traffic there is on the roads, the more one expects non-automated traffic to have to "play by the rules" - for example, in-vehicle transponders to help the automated vehicles know exactly what you're doing, potentially automated overrides if you try to do something crazy that would put automated drivers in undue risk, etc. People driving for fun aren't going to be allowed to endanger people going about their everyday lives any more than pilots on a joy ride are allowed to.

    These things are just the logical evolution of the transportation system should self-driving vehicles prove themselves.

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  48. Ugly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, automobiles certainly can't get any uglier.

  49. Re: Autonomy is the killer-app... by bondsbw · · Score: 1

    As for safety, rear-facing seats are much safer in the event of a crash, even for adults. I hope they become mainstream with the invention of self-driving cars. There really would be no need for passengers to see the road.

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  50. Here's What Your Car Could Look Like In 2030 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Left_side_of_Flying_Pigeon.jpg

  51. Re:As a side note, my own thoughts on future autos by Rei · · Score: 1

    Here's the parts of your post that make no sense.

    "city (or licensed companies) will maintain"

    Why on earth would individuals not be allowed to also own personal self-driving cars? Why can a car not have two modes of operation, self-driving in self-driving areas and manual in other areas, if the user so wants? Why would everyone be just fine with not being allowed to have a personal vehicle that they can leave their stuff in between rides, meets their personal style preferences and transportation requirements, and wasn't beat up or graffitied or left smelling like a dumpster from the last unknown occupant? What's the logic in *making* everyone use shared vehicles if many individuals logically still want to own them and they meet all of the transportation requirements? None, that's what. It's a pointless exclusion and one which would render your system unacceptable to a large portion of the population.

    you'd never use it living minutes from downtown anyway.

    Right, so a guy with a degenerative muscle disease or a grandma who can barely walk to the mailbox are just going to walk? Sorry, but this "it works for me so it must work for everyone" attitude is ridiculous. And even for people who are in perfect shape it's not always a good option. I live in Reykjavík where we sometimes get surprise blizzards and hurricane-force winds happen usually a couple times a year. Am I supposed to walk to work every day?

    Or if you mean "everyone's supposed to use these shared city-only cars": again, maybe that suits your life, but here in the real world, a large chunk of the population isn't so city-bound. I head out to the countryside about 5 times a week or so. Am I supposed to take a taxi every time?

    Yes, an effective automated-driving system opens up great new beneficial opportunities for ride sharing and would be used by many people. But your "all cars in town must be city-owned public transportation" concept is ridiculous and would never be accepted by the general population. There's not even a point to your proposal, as privately-owned self-driving cars fit just as well into your scenario, it's simply a capricious exclusion on your part.

    People use vehicles for all sorts of things. A number of times in the past several weeks I've used my car and my truck as a flashlight. I don't have good outdoor lighting at home and on my land in the countryside I don't have power yet, and daylight is in short supply this time of year, and so to work outside, it's the most logical solution.

    My car is a 2-seat first-gen Honda Insight. Why? Because I don't like today's higher-drag trends and it's more than is needed for my daily commuting needs. A lot of people however would find my choice hideous and not want to be seen in it, and it doesn't even begin to met many needs that exist. I would be uncomfortable having to take a high-drag car to work every day however in order to meet these peoples' preferences and needs. There are so many thousands of types of cars in order to meet the general populations' many preferences and usage needs. That's not going to suddenly change. In many cases, people are indifferent. Good, automated rides from shared cars are perfect for them! In many cases they're anything but indifferent.

    I use my truck to haul supplies around my without-roads land. And let me tell you, unless the algorithm is smarter than me, it *cannot* do that better, because it taxes experience to know where the ground is unstable or so marshy that it'd sink in. A mistake could require a thousand-USD crane rental or worse leave me crushed dead at the bottom of my canyon. I wouldn't even trust it on my driveway on my land, as it hasn't been fully built out yet and the bottom can scrape the undercarriage in places and is unstable in others. These sort of things aren't just simple decision making based on distance measures ultrasound sensors and transponders. They take image recognition, understanding,

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  52. Re:As a side note, my own thoughts on future autos by Rei · · Score: 1

    One, if a person is willing to pay for parking, they should be allowed to. Secondly, not everyone lives in or anywhere near any place that will ever be some sort of supercity, regardless of whether you do or not. Third, even today's biggest megacities don't generally ban cars - why would the new ones of tomorrow? Fourth, if you're talking self-driving cars, you don't need parking everywhere, they can pick you up and drop you off, and they can head out to the boonies or to some inconveniently-located but space-efficient parking garage in the meantime. You just tell it with your cell phone app when you want it to arrive to get you.

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  53. Also describes a train from 1850 by gig · · Score: 1

    So I'm not sure that is progress.

  54. Less relevant than an old Popular Mechanics by TrentTheThief · · Score: 1

    What horsecrap.

    This is just as likely to happen as all those futuristic designs that graced the pages of popular mechanics and mechanics illustrated 50 years ago.

    1. Re:Less relevant than an old Popular Mechanics by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      The problem I have is the "resources will decrease" part of it. Iron/steel, aluminum, and glass are just about infinitely recyclable. Power if the Lockheed High beta, the Polywell and or Thorium molten salt reactors go into production will also be even more available than now. Frankly it is just as likely we will live in a world with greater abundance than today.
       

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    2. Re:Less relevant than an old Popular Mechanics by TrentTheThief · · Score: 1

      Man, I wish I had your optimism. Perhaps I'm becoming more pessimistic as I age.

    3. Re:Less relevant than an old Popular Mechanics by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      I will be 50 next year so it is not ageing.
      THe thing is that people forget just how bad it was in the past. In the 60s people where sure that the Bald Eagle and the Bison would go extinct. In the 1970s lake Erie was considered dead and a river in Ohio was so polluted that it caught fire. People were predicting that humans would be on the brink of extinction by 2000.
      As education and standards of living go up population growth goes down. China forced this issue in ways that I find immoral but Indias population growth will soon start to slow. Recycling of a lot of materials along with new methods of extraction will increase the amount of commodities available. Take a look at historic trends and you will see commodity prices are still going down as a whole. Sure you see spikes now and then but the trend is down.
      Frankly I wish I was younger because I think the future is going to be better than the past. But then I am a big history fan and know that it was not all sock hops and malt shops.

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  55. Re:As a side note, my own thoughts on future autos by Ichijo · · Score: 1

    As more and more people do the same, their cars will have to start their return trips earlier and earlier because of the increasing traffic. Eventually they won't even have time to park.

    Or, the tolls will increase, as a way to prevent traffic congestion. And we're back to cars being luxury items.

    Remember, there's only so much road space in downtown areas, and it's very expensive to increase it.

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  56. Re: Autonomy is the killer-app... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There really would be no need for passengers to see the road.

    motion sickness

  57. Re:As a side note, my own thoughts on future autos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not gonna happen.

    Not only do many of us not live in the largest cities, most Americans live in places where personal cars are not a luxury, they're an absolute necessity.

    And even the largest cities in the US are built for cars, only Chicago and NYC are even practical without one. Every other American city is a car city, and is going to stay that way for the foreseeable future. Los Angeles will be drivable 100 years from now, so will Phoenix, so will Atlanta. The cars may be electric, the power plants may be fusion reactors, but Americans will drive cars.

    Plus many of the driverless-car fanatics keep forgetting that a large percentage of car owners actually do enjoy driving. Those who really, really do hate it tend not to own them in the first place and already live in places where they can take public transport everywhere.

  58. and this is why... by kuzb · · Score: 1

    ...I have nothing but contempt for design firms that don't house even one real engineer.

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    1. Re:and this is why... by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      You mean you do not want to drive a rolling green house where half the energy is used to cool the thing to keep you from cooking?

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  59. Is this a website or a slide show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clicked on the link, closed it immediately. Fuck that gimmicky crap.

  60. Re:As a side note, my own thoughts on future autos by kaychoro · · Score: 1

    Deep in the myriad of navigation to get the details, it did say you could make the glass opaque by touching it... but my main concern is somewhat more base.... Where's the bathroom?

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  61. Driving IS relaxing! by Toshito · · Score: 1

    What if I find driving a relaxing and fun thing to do?

    When I get out of the office to go home, why on earth would I want to continue doing office work???

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    1. Re:Driving IS relaxing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on your drive home. A nice drive through the country is relaxing, bumper to bumper gridlock is stressful as hell. I live 1 to 4 hour from DC depending on traffic, many people get up in the middle of the night so they can avoid the worst of the traffic, and work long hours. If they could do work in their cars they would get to not pay attention to the traffic and they could make their work day shorter maening more quality downtime at home.

  62. IDEO's capabilities really are just skin deep. by RealGene · · Score: 1

    They get lucky with a hit design, which drags in new clients that never attain anywhere near the same level of success, but lets IDEO coast along until lightning strikes again?

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  63. Re:As a side note, my own thoughts on future autos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    statues eh?

  64. Call me crazy by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    ....but I sincerely hope that my car of the 2030s will be designed by engineers around the necessary performance requirements of the roads of the time, not fucking "design consultants".

    I'm more interested in how people repeatedly get paid quite hefty salaries to come up with this overproduced, artiste-crap.

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  65. IDEO by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

    When the presentation finally loaded and I took a look at some of it it left me with the impression that these IDEO people are just hipster douchebags. Nothing of any value or substance to see there. Next.

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  66. Re:As a side note, my own thoughts on future autos by Rei · · Score: 1

    Again, if a person is willing to pay the costs, they should be allowed to. Secondly, there's a difference between the car having to drive 10 minutes to a parking garage and circling endlessly for hours. Third, when you're talking fully automated roadways, you get greatly increased throughput. Fourth, your "there's only so much road space in downtown areas" claim makes no sense, we're talking about how automated vehicles can free up space downtown by preventing the need for "convenient parking", allowing parking to be clustered into dense and/or less convenient locations, depending on the situation.

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  67. Re: Autonomy is the killer-app... by vux984 · · Score: 2

    Yeah, there's a lot of potentially great outcomes.

    When I worked downtown I generally drove, because the nearest trainstation was driving distance (5-10 minutes by car), and parking there plus taking the train cost as much or more than just driving downtown.

    But if the car could drop me off at the station and go home again, that might make sense to me.

    But -- its not all sunshine and rainbows. How do I get home -- its quite a bit more complicated for the car to pick me up, especially at rush hour with thousands of other people doing the same thing.

    And even though its an self-driving car, driving home empty after dropping me off is a much greater challenge. What if there is a road closure or accident and police are directing traffic.

    When I was in the car, the car could pull over and say "Hey, I need some help for just a minute." -- but it can't do that if its empty.

    That nixes dropping the kids off at school. Unmanned Package delivery. Well... not nixes... but it pushes it much further into the future I think.

    I'm also not quite sure how unmanned courier trucks would work. The courier does more than just drive. He's also the gatekeeper to the packages, collects signatures, provides a level of security by just *being* there.

    If the truck is unmanned anyone can just walk up to it and rob it blind. If its moving, they just need someone to step into the road to bring it to a halt. Sure trucks can be hijacked and robbed now... but theres always an element of unpredictability and risk since a human driver is present. But robbing an unmanned vehicle? It will always behave predictably and safely. We're going to have to think hard about security.

    And how does even the intended recipient get their package and just their package. Can you imagine being called down by the truck, it flips its back door open, and you root around in it for your package... that's asking for all kinds of trouble.

    Sure there are solutions, individual locked compartments, or some other system... but then that will dramatically reduce the overall delivery capacity of the vehicle.

    I don't think its going to be a driverless car utopia; and certainly not by 2030. But changes are definitely coming.

  68. The comsumer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't understand why they keep forcing this junk on the consumer. Consumers do not want this. Consumers want more fuel efficiency, without resorting to public transportation. Consumers want more real-time car feedback, not a "self-driving" car that doesn't say what it is going to do or why. Consumers want more space, not less. Consumers want more control, not less. Most of all, consumers want FLYING CARS. So, to the auto manufacturers: Make us our flying cars already. Enough excuses. Use a laser power transmission network. Quit listening to other ridiculous ideas. You can't carry the power. Laser power transmission is the only way to go.

  69. An Online Brochure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Huh? How did this make front page? It's one long ad.

  70. Re: Autonomy is the killer-app... by hackaxle · · Score: 1

    It would be so different- watching the past instead of the future of the road.

  71. Uber Model by tmosley · · Score: 1

    I'd say by 2030, I, and most others, won't even have a car. Instead, we'll use rideshare services like Uber, but likely with automated drivers. It will be MUCH cheaper than owning a car, and largely more convenient. Hell, I'd be surprised if I still had a car 5-10 years from now.

  72. Facebook comes to /. ? by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 1

    A first-glance at the headline and I read "Here's What Your Cat Could Look Like In 2030". In 2030 he's gonna be worm food. Not a pretty picture.

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  73. In soviet america by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    truth hurts you

  74. Re:As a side note, my own thoughts on future autos by LessThanObvious · · Score: 1

    How about starting with practical needs instead of futurist personal office on wheels crap. In most areas we need more trains and large buses that get people from suburbs to cities and between cities. Then we could use a large number of mid sized trolleys or shuttles to get people from the stations to their destinations. Individual rental vehicles could be available at the stations as needed to increase the flexibility of the system. We have tens of thousands of drivers traveling individually in large cities because the alternatives are not robust, clean, time efficient and highly-flexible. How many jobs could a serious project like that create? Oh no, let's just let legislators continue to suckle at the teat of the auto and oil lobbyists, because progress is too hard. Trillion dollar wars protect freedom, but infrastructure spending can clearly only lead to socialism.

  75. Whovian flashback impression... by MercTech · · Score: 1

    When I saw that Ideo concept vehicle the first thing that popped to mind was the Dr. Who episode where the whole planet was stuck in vehicle gridlock with decades in the car...

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  76. If you have a car. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    So it's anyone's guess what you'll be driving a couple decades from now.

    A donkey cart?

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  77. there will be no cars in 2030 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In case you haven't noticed, we're in runaway climate change. Either someone will realize we actually need to stop digging up fossil fuels, in which case there will be no cars, or we will be in complete economic and social collapse by 2030 due to food and water shortages, in which case, it's unlikely most people will be driving cars.

    And no, renewables and electric cars will not save us.

  78. Re: Honor Michael Brown JOIN GNAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would you kindly post your full *real* name and address?