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New Analysis Pushes Back Possible Origin For Antikythera Mechanism
We've mentioned several times over the years the Antikythera Mechanism, the astounding early analog computer recovered from a Greek shipwreck in shape good enough to allow modern recreations. The device has been attributed to different Greek mathemeticians and thinkers, such as Archimedes, Hipparchus, and Posidonius, but as reader puddingebola writes, "Current research suggests its origin may be much earlier, and its working based on Babylonian arithmetical methods rather than Greek Trigonometry, which did not exist at the time. Puddingebola excerpts from the NYT article:
Writing this month in the journal Archive for History of Exact Sciences, Dr. Carman and Dr. Evans took a different tack. Starting with the ways the device's eclipse patterns fit Babylonian eclipse records, the two scientists used a process of elimination to reach a conclusion that the "epoch date," or starting point, of the Antikythera Mechanism's calendar was 50 years to a century earlier than had been generally believed.
That seems like a weak assumption to start from, that is, if you were trying to make a device that predicted eclipses and wanted to check that it was working wouldn't you set the device to begin calculations for some time period during which you have reasonable records, say 50-100 years in the past...
There were other such devices such as the tower of the winds. The Greeks did not nessasary discover log the data from the heavens, what they did work out is that the heavens followed mathematical rules and so simple equations could be used to predict the behavior of the heavens and not the whims of the Gods. Hence you could convert the equations to gear mechanisms and off you go ...
Except for the fact that it's complete pseudo-scientific bunk, promoted by the likes of frauds like Von Daniken:
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If he explores all forms and substances Straight homeward to their symbol-essences; He shall not die.
How many ideas and creations have been lost only to be rediscovered, like the Baghdad battery, or the antikythera mechanism.
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"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
Hey, he may not have been Tolkien, but it was still some great fantasy there. . .
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
If this device hadn't been found, anyone and I mean ANYONE who dared to suggest that such technology existed in this time-frame would be described, ESPECIALLY on forums like this one, as a complete 'anti-scientific' 'nutter'. And 'learned experts' would be falling over themselves to explain to the betas why such a claim was absolute nonsense.
What we know about the past is shockingly limited, and controlled almost entirely by LIAR NARRATIVES- stories crafted by the servants of elites (from various eras) promoting an acceptable view to the sheeple. Here's a test for you betas to prove the point. Slavery- actually American style Human slavery, was wide-spread in America's favourite Middle East nation, Saudi Arabia, in 1961 (yes, you read that date correctly- 1961). The Saudis had a taste for rape slaves dating back many many centuries, and had enslaved literally MILLIONS of African females across the years up to 1961.
What's my point? Find a first hand narrative from a Saudi slave (owned for the purpose of 'legally' raping her by her 'master'). You won't find one. Tens of thousands of rape slaves were 'liberated' when Saudi Arabia finally abolished slavery in 1962, but 'ordinary' people leave almost no impact on historic records, even when their lives are this extraordinary. America's vastly powerful allies, the House of Saud, don't wish for any such record to exist, so it doesn't. The LIAR NARRATIVE, as found in many Saudi/US sponsored Wikipedia articles, is that 20th century slavery in Saudi Arabia was just a 'fiction'.
The most famous Saudi citizen in the USA is Bandar 'Bush'- so named because of his closeness to the family of two recent US presidents. Bandar 'Bush's mother was a rape slave- purchased for the purpose of being his father's sex toy.
Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING officially written about Human Society in the 'official' historical narratives denies the possibility of the Antikythera Mechanism- the mechanism effectively exists in a parallel reality where those that know of it accept its significance, but move out of the light of this truth, and the LIAR NARRATIVE reasserts itself when sheeple are given any description of the period involved.
Those that control the sheeple INVENT History- in the same way as they INVENT current 'concerns' (like the oncoming 'ice age' that became 'peak oil' that became 'global warming'). The sheeple always love a good 'horror story' about the imminent future, and also to be told that their ancestors were complete duffers compared to themselves.
We should remember that even 20,000 years ago, ordinary people were just the same as we are today. The impact of natural ALPHAS was somewhat different, though, because of the way knowledge was accumulated and disseminated. The Antikythera Mechanism proves that alphas were capable of great achievements while leaving ZERO written records that survive to this day. Maths and the consequence of maths, and its application to engineering , can safely be assumed to have existed at a VERY high level of sophistication THOUSANDS of years ago, amongst small teams of Humans. The people the LIAR NARRATIVE tells us were the smartest people in Ancient History are clearly NOTHING compared to the best nameless alphas that existed at the time.
But you Betas should remember that 'making a name for yourself' always has more to do with natural self-promotion skills than any REAL talent. And millions of people can live in a city across its lifetime, but after that city ends we are lucky if even one or two made a written record of their experiences. Statistically, that means the written evidence that survives is as good as JUNK.
The Antikythera Mechanism is a living example of what we do NOT and can never know about the real lives of the people from the time (due to lack of REAL surviving records of statistical significance). Our fictional projections based on various LIAR NARRATIVES are mostly about the agendas that caused the LIAR NARRATIVES to be written in the first place.
It's not really significant that Von Daniken used it in his work, it's that at least much of it seems to have originated there, and for the bits that may not, there aren't any references from earlier sources that are actually considered any more reliable. What a hoaxter promotes is less significant than what he originates. I bring this point up because there are some people, such as Carlos Casteneda, that tend to occasionally mention some real bits in the middle of runs of pseudo-science, and readers end up dismissing those bits when they run across some obvious hokum. Velikovsky is another good example. A good con-artist bothers to build on some real research, making it harder to winnow the chaff because they have left clues to a little wheat.
Who is John Cabal?
Unfortunately many supposedly intelligent people seem to constantly forget that Science isn't Truth and Reality, it is only a method of attempting to piece together an image of that reality with only the parts available to us.
So they, especially those with little imagination or creativity, are very quick to cast out any concept that hasn't already been "proven" to their peers satisfaction (out of a knee jerk fear of being cast out themselves and no longer being considered a part of the Intelligentsia). Sadly those primitive social politics play a larger part in institutionalized science than the actual Scientific method does. This also goes for funding and tenure.
You don't get to become a good 'mathemetician' just like that; you have to know a lot of 'mathemetics'. Knowing a bit of spelling helps too.
To get today's reactions, it used to be necessary to drop the name Tesla - the man, not the car.
Babylonian makes a whole lot more sense. By the time the Greek civilization was in full gear the deeper mysteries from pre-Egyptian civilization had already been lost. How do I know? Well, I don't KNOW first hand, but I believe the people who have been there, a-la- the old writings and edgar cayce etc. Plus there's the archaelogical records. And old structures, built for air breathing beings, that have been submerged for well over 18,000 years. And constructions of machined rock so hard that even diamond woould have a hard time cutting it. And 16,000 year old massive underground excavations in Turkey designed with modern scientific airflow principles. So that they would have an "abacus"like computer doesn'ty surprise me. And it's not made of iron and por copper or whatever metal it's made of, out of primitivism.It's advanced foresight, for a society that would have lost all electric power. A few Carrington events and this would be the only kind of computer we could use, too. It's obvious that they had electric power before that, because there is not a single mark from torchlight in the Great pyramid. None. So how did they see inside there, if not electric power? Besides theres heiroglyphics that show electric lamps. So yeah..the AK Mechanism? it's old old old...