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Apple DRM Lawsuit Might Be Dismissed: Plaintiffs Didn't Own Affected iPods

UnknowingFool writes The lawsuit involving Apple and iTunes DRM may be thrown out because the plaintiffs did not own the iPods for which they are suing. The lawsuit covers iPods for the time period between September of 2006 and March of 2009. When Apple checked the serial numbers of the iPods of the plaintiffs, it appears they were not manufactured during this time. One plaintiff did purchase an iPod in 2005 and in 2010 and has withdrawn from the suit. The second plaintiff's iPod was manufactured in July 2009 but claims purchasing another iPod in 2008. Since the two plaintiffs were the only ones in the suit, the case may be dismissed for lack of standing.

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  1. Obligatory by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    You're suing it wrong.

    You're buying it wrong.

    You're DRM'ing it wrong.

    Now that the stupid cliché is done, let's continue with the real discussion.

    1. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep elevating his visibility, and by all means keep clicking on his articles, hateful bitches. Dice is laughing all the way to the bank.

    2. Re: Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Frist post!!!!!!!!!11111

    3. Re:Obligatory by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Except in this case, there really isn't a real discussion beyond lawyers wanting to make money but who can't actually find a case...

      "Lawyer for the plaintiffs, Bonny Sweeny, suggested that while one or both of her plaintiffs' iPods might not be covered by the case, there are plenty of others to be tapped."

      Clearly a case of a lawyer representing the interests of her clients and not just fishing for cash!

    4. Re:Obligatory by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      You are trolling it wrong.

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  2. Lawyers not doing their homework by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I guess the thrill of big fees in a class-action suit made them forget to do some elementary checking.

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    1. Re:Lawyers not doing their homework by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Funny

      no it was Steve Jobs reality distortion field that made the plaintiffs think they bought an ipod when they didn't.

    2. Re: Lawyers not doing their homework by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not the iPod you are looking for.

    3. Re:Lawyers not doing their homework by ATMAvatar · · Score: 1

      Apple is a brand that tells people to think outside the box.

      Sue different.

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    4. Re:Lawyers not doing their homework by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      So the question, and I fear the answer, will the plaintiffs get their money back from the lawyers?

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    5. Re:Lawyers not doing their homework by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      The plaintiffs lied under oath, so I think that they have more to worry about than whether they'll get their money back from the lawyers.

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    6. Re:Lawyers not doing their homework by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      or perhaps, allegedly, Apple's legal team put these people (the plaintiffs) up to it just so they could easily dismiss future suits of this type. I wouldn't put it past them.

      What you are saying is pretty idiotic. Just because lawyer A sues and makes some idiotic mistakes that get the case thrown out doesn't create any precedence for anyone else.

    7. Re:Lawyers not doing their homework by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Civil lawsuits are not criminal cases. There is no double jeopardy attached. Someone else could sue Apple today, but they have to start at the beginning. Considering that this case has dragged on for years, it is unlikely that there could be much in the way of damages by the time it is done.

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    8. Re:Lawyers not doing their homework by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Most of these class action lawsuits are contingency meaning the lawyers take no fees from the client but expect the court to award them money if successful. As such the only ones out will be the lawyers and Apple who had to pay for their costs.

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    9. Re:Lawyers not doing their homework by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      That's informative, thanks.

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    10. Re:Lawyers not doing their homework by countach · · Score: 1

      I would have thought if you were launching a class action suit where each potential litigant had only a tiny damage, that you would have hundreds of candidates up front. If you can only find 2 people, and each of them has coming to them.. oh what $50, and even they don't own the right iPod, how good was this suit?

    11. Re:Lawyers not doing their homework by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Works on contengency. No money down.

      Works on contengency? No! money down!

    12. Re:Lawyers not doing their homework by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      You do not have to have a huge number of plaintiff for class action status; however, the plaintiffs must be representative of the class. In this case they may not have been. If the suit is successful then the settlement is passed to the class with lawyers unfortunately getting the bulk of the money. Personally I think this was just a money grab rather than individuals being harmed.

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  3. when have icrap supported non-apple DRM? by alen · · Score: 0

    you could put all the non-drm music you bought or "acquired" you want on them, but anything with DRM was always only itunes music. the same thing was with every other MP3 player of the time with a DRM'd music store. but only apple is left and they have the money

    1. Re:when have icrap supported non-apple DRM? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      That's what this lawsuit was all about. The problem here is that the plaintiffs bought their DRMed tunes prior to Apple stopping that practice, but didn't buy a PMP until AFTER Apple had a solution.

    2. Re:when have icrap supported non-apple DRM? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      what is a PMP. there are no pmps, just ipods.

    3. Re:when have icrap supported non-apple DRM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Personal Media Player", i.e. a term for the category of devices including the iPod. Don't be dense (if you can help it).

    4. Re: when have icrap supported non-apple DRM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can I get a whoosh on this?

    5. Re:when have icrap supported non-apple DRM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's a shit acronym and using it makes one a dick. ;) Where are the impersonal Music Players?

    6. Re:when have icrap supported non-apple DRM? by Smallpond · · Score: 1

      It's a shit acronym and using it makes one a dick. ;) Where are the impersonal Music Players?

      Windows Media Player?

    7. Re: when have icrap supported non-apple DRM? by blang · · Score: 1

      You mean , like a turntable or vcr?

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  4. Not unexpected. by pushing-robot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've observed that flaws in Apple products seem to most affect those who do not use Apple products.

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    1. Re: Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you assume something easy like iTunes might have some sliver of intuitive design, but nope.. Took me a hour to try and get a CD onto my iPhone.

    2. Re:Not unexpected. by jbolden · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've observed that flaws in Apple products seem to most affect those who do not use Apple products.

      Well said. There are criticisms of Apple products by Apple users. But they have a level of nuance that's appropriate. The Apple haters who know nothing of Apple products yet thing they do, you end up having to argue with all the time. I've noticed the same thing about Oracle on /. as well whenever databases come up.

    3. Re: Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Do you have down's syndrome? You insert the CD, select the songs, then select import CD. I've seen 4 year olds do it.

    4. Re: Not unexpected. by uglyduckling · · Score: 2

      If the DVD drive broke right away, why didn't you take it back for a warranty replacement? And if you did, what's the problem? And if you need help with the trivial actions required to enable Trim let me know.

    5. Re: Not unexpected. by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

      Because you assume something easy like iTunes might have some sliver of intuitive design, but nope.. Took me a hour to try and get a CD onto my iPhone.

      if you are trying to put a CD on your Phone, you're doing it wrong.

    6. Re:Not unexpected. by peragrin · · Score: 5, Informative

      Apple supports hardware for 1 year standard warranty. No extra money spent. Heck I got apple to replace a logic board for free without an extended warranty. 2 .7 years after I bought it.

      Not getting your drive fixed is your fault not Apples

      Same goes for the hard drive. Apple would have replaced it for you.

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    7. Re:Not unexpected. by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      That's true. The 2 are correlated, but I suspect you have the causation backwards. It's not that the flaws affect us because we don't use Apple products, but rather that we don't use Apple products because the flaws affected us. At least that's the case for me. I actually gave Apple a shot for a few years, and the longer I did, the more I regretted it, so I'm done with them now.

    8. Re:Not unexpected. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Informative

      Apple replaced my HDD 5 years after warranty expired on my Mac because there was a bad batch of HDDs. They did the same with the nVidia failures that affected many OEMs.

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    9. Re:Not unexpected. by vux984 · · Score: 1

      I've observed that flaws in Apple products seem to most affect those who do not use Apple products.

      Did it really never occur to you that the ones most likely to be affected by a 'flaw' in something would also be the ones most likely to avoid using that something?

      Here are other examples:

      The people most allergic to peanuts refuse to eat peanut products.

      The people who got a hair in their food at a restaurant are far less likely to eat at or recommend that restaurant to others.

      By definition the people using products are either relatively unaffected by the flaws, or unaware of them. The people most aware of or most affected by flaws are among the least likely to use the product.

      That's just common sense.

    10. Re:Not unexpected. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      I've noticed the same thing about Oracle on /. as well whenever databases come up.

      Really? Apple has both critics and fanbois/fangoils. But I have never seen anything but universal hatred for Oracle.

    11. Re: Not unexpected. by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      The problem was that AC was trying to get a CD onto its iPhone -- iPhones don't have an optical drive.

      AC obviously didn't realize that it needed a computer where it could insert a CD while iTunes was running, and after the auto import job was done, plug in the iPhone via USB to automatically sync the music.

    12. Re:Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know they've moved on from MacOS 7 and Motorola 680x0 chips now. Maybe that flaw does not affect you anymore.

    13. Re:Not unexpected. by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      all of the macbooks have 1 year warranty, and if you buy the apple care it extends out to three years. I suspect you have been looking for problems cuz you went into it with a bad perspective, and found what you were looking for.

    14. Re: Not unexpected. by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

      what I hate most about those new lightning ports on the iphone is that my CDs don't fit in them.

    15. Re:Not unexpected. by sexconker · · Score: 0

      Apple replaced my HDD 5 years after warranty expired on my Mac because there was a bad batch of HDDs. They did the same with the nVidia failures that affected many OEMs.

      Gee, how generous of them of them to replace faulty parts. I should go thank GM for their generosity in the latest wave of recalls.

    16. Re: Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the problem is the way you use your devices. I have 2 MacBooks (one is an "old" mid 2010), an iPad air, two Apple tv 2 & 3 and an iPhone 5s... All working without problems. Previously I had an iPad 3, an iPad 2, the original iPad and an iPhone 4s. Again no problems with them.

    17. Re: Not unexpected. by sexconker · · Score: 0

      Do you have down's syndrome? You insert the CD, select the songs, then select import CD. I've seen 4 year olds do it.

      Where exactly do you insert the CD? The iPhone doesn't have an optical drive (hell, Apple's been trying to kill them off on the laptop AND desktop too).

      Login to iTunes on your PC.
      Login to iTunes on your iPhone using same account.
      Insert CD into PC while iTunes is running (or let it autolaunch) and proceed through the prompts the let it rip the disc.
      Find the cable.
      Find the adapter for the cable.
      Connect your iPhone to your PC and hope that it syncs.
      Assuming it has synced, eject the iPhone through iTunes and ONLY through iTunes.
      Disconnect your iPhone from your PC.
      Try to find the CD on your iPhone.

      Whereas a sane method is the following:
      Insert disc into device of choice.
      Rip disc using method of choice.
      Store ripped files in destination(s) and on device(s) of choice using method(s) of choice.

    18. Re:Not unexpected. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Parts they didn't manufacture and had no knowledge of their faults until years later. GM cannot claim the same.

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    19. Re:Not unexpected. by antdude · · Score: 1

      What's point of having AppleCare then if Apple replaces your fail(ed/ing) hardware after a year?

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    20. Re:Not unexpected. by alexhs · · Score: 1

      But I have never seen anything but universal hatred for Oracle.

      Oracle haters are hyperbolic and hateful.
      Oracle users are factual and desperate.

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    21. Re:Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you might want to read up on automotive supply chains if you think GM manufacturers every part in their cars.

    22. Re:Not unexpected. by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      Gee...and here I thought the premise of this thread was that it was Apple haters, not Apple lovers, making the unfounded claims.

      In any case, it was only 2-3 years ago that I gave up on them (and before your rabid fanboy mind starts making more unfounded claims...no, I wasn't using 15 year old hardware).

    23. Re:Not unexpected. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I think you need to as understand what a "contract to manufacture" means as opposed to a purchase is.

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    24. Re:Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right, I don't use Apple projects. And boy, do I wish my class mates I was working on a school project with didn't either. It would have made my life a lot easier.

      Yeah, you don't have to own something or use it personally for it to effect you.

      My personal favorite is when my cousins MacBook was having issues, asked me to look at it, I couldn't figure out what was going on, googling for a while turned up nothing, called up some of friends who are die hard Apple fanbois and their response was "well, you just click this and it'll do it", I respond with "I tried that, and it didn't", and they responded with "uhhhhhh, take it to the genius bar" who so kindly said they could see me in a week.

    25. Re:Not unexpected. by jbolden · · Score: 2

      Yep. You'll see the people who need Oracle's features say positive things about it. People who have to admin hundreds of databases, or very large tables or need to tweak queries. I've definitely seen the Oracle users stand up for Oracle. I've seen the "I could easily run this on MySQL but I have to use Oracle" crowd say bad stuff as well though.

    26. Re:Not unexpected. by Balthisar · · Score: 1

      We (in the auto business) use a lot of off the shelf components, or components that have minimal changes that we specify to meet our needs. Why should we micromanage light bulb specifications when the light bulb manufacturer has engineers that specialize in all of the different aspects of light bulbs?

      We don't just pick things out of a catalogue, though, and I highly doubt that Apple does, either. Apple and GM should be very, very similar.

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    27. Re:Not unexpected. by chipschap · · Score: 2

      I'm neither an Apple nor a Microsoft user. There is no need for me to criticize either of them (especially from a standpoint of a non-user with limited knowledge). I just ignore them and go on my own way. I'll leave the complaining to people who actually use their products.

      On the other hand, I can see complaints from non-users on the basis of compatibility. I do get tired of people saying "send me a Word document" and the like, but they just get whatever LibreOffice puts out and that will have to do. It generally becomes a non-issue. (I don't deal often with complex formats that use every feature on the menu.)

    28. Re:Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's hard to make a founded claim when there was little useful information in your post. You've now covered off the time frame but none of the flaws you claim. A couple of dozen more posts and we might have enough information to see if your argument actually warrants attention. Oh, and "rabid fanboy" is a bit much on an unfounded claim, because this could just have easily been posted from any one of my SPARC, MIPS or ARM machines that I switch between regularly (some of them _are_ 15 or more years old).

    29. Re:Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are there ever design and manufacturing defects? Absolutely. Has Apple every produced duds? Yes they have, even under the mantle of Steve Jobs. However, if you look at the data, Apple machines are of better quality regarding the number of repairs, the types of repairs, and overall satisfaction in terms of people that would buy again.

      I had the iPhone where I was supposedly was holding it wrong. I had the G3 cube that developed cracks in the case. I had a black MacBook that too many problems and got to the point I swore off the MacBooks, eventually buying an Air. I had the 2011 MacBook Pro that was bitten by the graphic chip problem. The screen started glitching, then stopped displaying and the battery also expanded, pushing the track pad upward. It was a glorious sight to behold.

      That said, I still use Apple products: 2010 Mini, 2010 13" MBA, 2014 13" MBP, and iPhone 6.

    30. Re:Not unexpected. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The ignition switches for which GM is being sued was not an "off the shelf" part. Batteries yes. Lightbulb a, yes. The switches were designed specifically by GM. As for the HDDs and nVidia GPUs were not specially made for Apple as evidenced by other OEMs having problems with them.

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    31. Re:Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >The people most allergic to peanuts refuse to eat peanut products.

      In this case, the flaw exists in the person that is allergic to the peanuts. The peanuts did nothing wrong.

    32. Re:Not unexpected. by scotts13 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ultimately, I value my time enough that I will generally not purchase things I think will break and require fixing or taking to a repair shop. I'll spend extra on a dependable product. Apple computers have shown to not be dependable, despite being more expensive...

      Yeah, factually untrue. Industry statistics show Apple products to be consistently the most dependable you can buy. If that's not good enough to meet your standards for reliability, what does?

    33. Re:Not unexpected. by Balthisar · · Score: 1

      I didn't mention the switches because those WERE spec'd by GM. My point was, though, that a lot of things are off-the-shelf or nearly so. Look at the airbag issue that's affecting many, many auto companies right now.

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    34. Re:Not unexpected. by LordKronos · · Score: 0

      It's hard to make a founded claim when there was little useful information in your post.

      So, when you don't have anything to go on, instead of asking for more information you just make something up?

      You've now covered off the time frame but none of the flaws you claim.

      Nor will I. I have no interest in going through my specific reasons of dissatisfaction with you. I need neither your validation, nor for you to show me the error of my ways.

    35. Re:Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, don't tell me. You were using Microsoft Office for Windows any they were using Microsoft Office for Mac and the file lost formatting when you exchanged them? Not a flaw in the Mac, but a flaw in Microsoft Office. Try something like Google Docs or LibreOffice and you won't have such problems.

      You were trying to make a video in Windows Movie Maker and kept exporting in some non standard WMV variant any they were all happily working away in the industry standard MPEG4?

    36. Re:Not unexpected. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The Apple haters who know nothing of Apple products yet thing they do, you end up having to argue with all the time.

      I hate Apple the company for the way they have behaved over time. I have personally been bitten by some of their bugs, like the B&W G3 data corruption problem (well documented across the mac web) which they deliberately deleted from the KB when they rolled the TIL into it to hide that they told their paying customers to suck it up and live with the bug, and either spend money to buy FWB toolkit and degrade performance, or buy an IDE card complete with mac tax. (I did actually price this, at the time it was $100 for the cheapest compatible option. The very same card with PC roms was $20.)

      I hear OSX has improved a lot since the last time I used it, on a dual G5 which would beachball constantly and hang hard on occasion. Apple couldn't find anything wrong with it, so I conclude that it was the OS. But it was fairly awful to use and horribly unreliable at the time, so I had lots of valid bad things to say about OSX, from experience.

      It is pretty much indisputable that itunes is a gigantic turd, especially on Windows. I know this from experience, too.

      Also, Oracle is pure, concentrated evil. Usually, their install instructions fail. So yeah, they can fuck themselves too. And I also nominate you for the same activity, since you're talking shit without evidence. I don't need citations, since I have personal experience with all of this stuff, but you can find them trivially.

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    37. Re:Not unexpected. by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple replaced my HDD 5 years after warranty expired on my Mac because there was a bad batch of HDDs. They did the same with the nVidia failures that affected many OEMs.

      Apple told all owners of the Revision 1 B&W G3 Power Macintosh (ye olde bondi blue desktop) that if they experienced data corruption with ATA disks, that they had two choices. They could degrade performance by switching their disk to PIO mode with the $70 FWB toolkit, or they could buy a $99 ATA card ($20 for the same card with PC roms) and move their devices to the new controller. Rather than offer a simple software patch (let alone a logic board replacement, which was the appropriate remedy) you actually had to spend money because Apple screwed up. When they folded the Techinfo Library into the Knowledge Base, they managed to incorporate articles both older and newer than the one in which they gave this advice, but they went ahead and just dropped that one in an attempt to hide their poor customer support.

      It's nice that you had better luck. Lots of other people have. But Apple has also acted completely unacceptably in the past, not just the B&W G3 but also the Cube, leaking G5s, flaky Macintosh Portables with shaky compatibility way way back in the day... Lots of this stuff just went unacknowledged or, once acknowleged, went unremedied.

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    38. Re:Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see. You wanted to sound knowledgable and important, so you threw some words out there, but when someone calls you on it you're refusing to substantiate your claims. Don't go through your specific reasons of dissatisfaction just for me, do it for all the other readers, i'm sure they're interested.

    39. Re:Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something that doesn't break on me, my wife, and my best friend? For example, every Windows or Linux computer I've ever owned? Anonymous because Mac fights are so tiresome I was just relating my own experience.

    40. Re:Not unexpected. by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      Don't go through your specific reasons of dissatisfaction just for me, do it for all the other readers, i'm sure they're interested.

      Well, to those people I'll say this: Welcome to Slashdot. The topic has been posted about to death a billion times before. See that search box next to the logo at the top left of the page? Click there, type the word "Apple" and hit enter. Then read until your heart is content. You're welcome.

    41. Re:Not unexpected. by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 4, Informative

      The nvidia failures were due to the chip solder points coming loose. It has zilch to do with the chip and everything to do with the manufacturing of the system

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    42. Re:Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As somebody who does a lot of auto repair as hobby (yes, I'm the original AC), I know exactly what I'm talking about. For example, I ride a 2006 Suzuki GSX-R. There was a recall done on the front brake master cylinder on my bike. One of my friends rides a 2006 Kawasaki ZX6. It uses the EXACT same part (down to the model number), and we're wondering why Kawasaki hasn't done a recall on theirs. I'm too lazy to look up who makes it, but it's neither Suzuki nor Kawasaki.

      And if we get in to details of GM specifically. The ignition, one part, made for GM. Now, lets talk spark plugs, fuses, seats, steel stock, paint, glass, tires, basically the entire braking system, etc. The number of parts which GM buys stalk are counted in the thousands.

      Congrats, you can name one part that GM actually makes. I can name hundreds of parts GM makes. That doesn't negate that they buy many more that are off the shelf components. Cars have thousands of moving parts. Most of them there is no reason what so ever to have specially designed. If there's no reason to have them specially designed, why would they?

    43. Re:Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's nice that you had better luck. Lots of other people have. But Apple has also acted completely unacceptably in the past, not just the B&W G3 but also the Cube, leaking G5s, flaky Macintosh Portables with shaky compatibility way way back in the day... Lots of this stuff just went unacknowledged or, once acknowleged, went unremedied.

      Apple is notorious for lying to customers about warranty stuff. That is why they have been taken to court in just about every country in Europe.

      http://apple.slashdot.org/story/13/12/19/0426219/govt-watchdog-group-finds-apple-misled-aussies-on-consumer-rights - Ok, this one is not Europe but down under.
      http://apple.slashdot.org/story/13/06/13/0022237/apple-revises-warranty-policies-in-europe-to-comply-with-eu-laws
      http://apple.slashdot.org/story/13/01/15/029230/belgian-consumer-organization-sues-apple-for-not-respecting-warranty-law
      http://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/10/01/1917209/eu-says-apples-warranty-advertisements-are-unacceptable
      http://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/04/02/123207/apple-is-forced-by-eu-to-give-2-years-warranty-on-all-its-products
      http://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/03/20/0140230/apple-sued-by-belgian-consumer-association-for-not-applying-eu-warranty-laws
      http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/12/28/145201/apple-fined-by-italy-for-misleading-customers-about-warranty-terms
      http://apple.slashdot.org/story/09/11/21/147253/apple-voiding-smokers-warranties

      Etc. etc. etc.

    44. Re: Not unexpected. by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

      And most of the steps are still required for other devices. iTunes is not more complicated than other solutions and integrates with Airport express devices, Apple TVs, allows sharing the library with other devices and controlling everything with your iDevice.

      Some people prefer Android devices, I prefer the integration Apple offers. To each his own...

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    45. Re:Not unexpected. by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Those complaints in the "playing well with others" they both kinda suck at. Even their defenders concede that point. FWIW they are both getting better. Apple used to be much worse about compatibility a decade ago. Microsoft has the "we are the standard". Funny enough Office, at least: Word, PowerPoint and Excel works pretty darn well between them. Office for Mac has been a rather good seller for Microsoft for decades.

    46. Re:Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      REFERENCES REQUIRED.

    47. Re: Not unexpected. by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      you're stretching hard to make itunes look burdensome. one, you open itunes, insert disc, and rip. that's pretty simple. Two, if you have itunes match then the itunes will automatically load your ripped album to the cloud, and then it will be automatically loaded onto your iphone. pretty simple, no?

    48. Re:Not unexpected. by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I think most agree that when you really need Oracle, you need it but I think the company has a lot less fans than the product. When you have a huge, mission critical database running on Oracle they know they got you hooked deep because short of a major disaster nobody wants to try migrating away. And last I checked their financials they're very good at making you pay for the privilege. Of course that's not unique to Oracle, but they're the big player in that segment, while for example SQL Server is used for all sorts of things. The only ones I know using Oracle for the small stuff are those who has decided they'll be a pure Oracle shop and that's that.

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    49. Re:Not unexpected. by jbolden · · Score: 1

      . My wife's Macbook has a dying battery (after just a year or two)

      You buy the 3 year warranty and they do an excellent job of repair. I've had battery problems and they most certainly do fix them.

      Is that what I pay the extra money to Apple for? Shouldn't I be getting better hardware, not worse?

      You are getting better hardware.

      And who gives a fuck about the OS... the difference between Mac and Linux for me is the color of the icons.

      Then definitely go Windows. You are paying for OSX and you are paying for Mac applications. If Linux fits your needs I'd go with the huge diversity of Windows laptops.

    50. Re: Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, they did use the term "PC" several times in there. Just sayin'

    51. Re:Not unexpected. by jbolden · · Score: 1

      By definition the people using products are either relatively unaffected by the flaws, or unaware of them. The people most aware of or most affected by flaws are among the least likely to use the product. That's just common sense.

      Yeah but that doesn't justify the antagonism. For example lots of Chinese use a writing keyboard for characters and many of those suck and have flaws. I don't spend a lot of time talking about them though.

    52. Re: Not unexpected. by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Insert CD into PC while iTunes is running (or let it autolaunch) and proceed through the prompts the let it rip the disc. == Insert disc into device of choice. and Rip disc using method of choice.

      The rest which boils down to "plug the device into the PC and sync" == Store ripped files in destination(s) and on device(s) of choice using method(s) of choice.

      Sure you added "method of choice", but given the post said iTunes and iPhone the method and device is already chosen.

      What is the "sane method" if my choice of device to insert the disc into is a toaster. My ripping method is "whatever works". And my device is "the database server at work"? And my storage method is anything involving turtles?

    53. Re:Not unexpected. by schnell · · Score: 1

      Well, to those people I'll say this: Welcome to Slashdot. The topic has been posted about to death a billion times before. See that search box next to the logo at the top left of the page? Click there, type the word "Apple" and hit enter. Then read until your heart is content. You're welcome.

      Wow.

      Just to recap here, you have basically: 1.) said Apple stuff sucks in the middle of a thread almost designed to be a flame war invitation; 2.) refused to explain why you think Apple sucks with any specificity; and 3.) given a follow-up response akin to "I don't have to tell you why I don't like New Zealanders. Just Google 'New Zealand' and read until your heart is content.'"

      You, sir/madam either 1.) win the Internet brilliant troll of the year award; or 2.) should ask yourself why you bothered posting not just one comment but also two responses as of this writing where you could have just explained your problems with Apple in less text than it took to explain why it was beneath you to explain why you wouldn't explain what your problem with Apple was why you wouldn't NOMAD DOES NOT COMPUTE.

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    54. Re: Not unexpected. by Karlt1 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Login to iTunes on your PC.
      You don't have to login to iTunes to rip music from a CD

      Login to iTunes on your iPhone using same account.
      You don't have to login to iTunes on your phone to sync

      Insert CD into PC while iTunes is running (or let it autolaunch) and proceed through the prompts the let it rip the disc.
      Find the cable

      You don't need to connect your iPhone to the computer for it to sync.
      Find the adapter for the cable
      Since you didn't need to connect the iPhone to the computer you didn't need an adapter (what adapter?).
      Connect your iPhone to your PC and hope that it syncs.
      You don't need to connect your phone to your computer
      Assuming it has synced, eject the iPhone through iTunes and ONLY through iTunes.

      You don't have to eject the phone from iTunes even if you did connect the phone to the computer which you don't have to do.,
      Disconnect your iPhone from your PC.
      Since you didn't have to connect the phone to the computer you never had to disconnect it.....
      Try to find the CD on your iPhone.
      Is it that hard to search on your phone?

    55. Re:Not unexpected. by schnell · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'll spend extra on a dependable product. Apple computers have shown to not be dependable

      Perhaps not in your experience. For other people, including me, the opposite has shown to be true.

      But you know what? Everyone has their own version of the plural of anecdote being data, so we will all work from our own individual experiences and be justified in doing so. But I wouldn't be so certain about identifying macro trends in your personal experience here.

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    56. Re:Not unexpected. by Solandri · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, factually untrue. Industry statistics show Apple products to be consistently the most dependable you can buy.

      That's a myth. It's only true if you rely on subjective surveys which are vulnerable to self-bias. Owners of Apple products basically like to believe their products are more reliable, so report them as such. Same reason BMW and Mercedes owners rate their vehicles so highly, when the repair rates show them to be average or below average in dependability.

      If you use objective data like extended warranty insurance claim rates or repair rates at a computer repair shop, while Apple is top tier, they are hardly the best. (Their repair rates are probably biased low too, because a larger percentage of Mac owners first think to take their Macbook to an Apple store, rather than a generic computer repair store.)

      http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_laptop_reliability_1109.pdf
      http://www.rescuecom.com/news-press-releases/computer-reliability-report-2014-q3.aspx
      http://www.rescuecom.com/news-press-releases/computer-reliability-report-2014-q2.aspx
      http://www.rescuecom.com/news-press-releases/computer-reliability-report-2014.aspx
      http://www.rescuecom.com/news-press-releases/computer-reliability-report-2013-q3.aspx
      http://www.rescuecom.com/news-press-releases/computer-reliability-report-2013-q2.aspx
      http://www.rescuecom.com/news-press-releases/computer-reliability-report-2013-q1.aspx
      http://www.rescuecom.com/news-press-releases/computer-reliability-report-2012-q3.aspx
      http://www.rescuecom.com/news-press-releases/computer-reliability-report-2012-q2.aspx
      http://www.rescuecom.com/news-press-releases/computer-reliability-report-2012.aspx

      And if you don't yet know, Apple doesn't make the Macbooks. They're made by Quanta. Quanta is an ODM - original design manufacturer. Like an OEM except they also design the product. Quanta also happens to make most of HP's laptops. The vast majority of laptops sold are made by ODMs, not the brand names you see on the box. While the brand name exhibits some executive control over acceptable quality control criteria, it's really the ODM which determines build quality.

    57. Re:Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      The nvidia failures were due to the chip solder points coming loose. It has zilch to do with the chip and everything to do with the manufacturing of the system

      IIRC, Actually, there were two separate NVIDIA GPU issues. One had to do with bad soldering (or bad board-prep) by the contract manufacturer (but essentially Apple's responsibility, which is why Apple extended warranty repair/replacement for those units); but the other involved die-bonding INSIDE the GPU, which was clearly NOT Apple's fault (and which affected other computer brands, as well). Apple extended warranty repair for those units, too.

      So, what was your point, again?

    58. Re:Not unexpected. by kamapuaa · · Score: 1

      Of course it's anecdotal. It was posted in response to a +5 past where some guy asked about people's experiences. Was I expected to break out a pie chart? Now I see that my honest, on-topic responses have been nodded as troll. Maybe nobody hears about Mac users with problems because of willful ignorance?

      The articles you link to are hardly scientific. People who install boot camps are a different subset of users than people running a cheap PC. They're going to be more knowledgeable about computers than the average pc or Mac user, for one.

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    59. Re: Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cars can kill people. iMacs not so much.

    60. Re:Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1 year warranty is less than the legal minimum over here... Apple loses a lot of money in Europe due to their hardware being designed to start failing month 18.

    61. Re:Not unexpected. by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      Wow.

      Just to recap here, you have basically: 1.) said Apple stuff sucks in the middle of a thread almost designed to be a flame war invitation; 2.) refused to explain why you think Apple sucks with any specificity; and 3.) given a follow-up response akin to "I don't have to tell you why I don't like New Zealanders. Just Google 'New Zealand' and read until your heart is content.'"

      You, sir/madam either 1.) win the Internet brilliant troll of the year award; or

      Not at all. I never said apple sucks. Don't grab onto my usage of the word "flaws"...I wasn't the one who picked that word. The OP I replied to picked the word and implied one causation and I was just replying he had the causality backward. Then some AC (you? OP? someone else?) got all defensive about it, as if there's not a single logical reason in the world why someone would dislike apple products. I don't see why I'm supposed to provide some sort of dissertation as to why I have the opinion of Apple that I do. I certainly don't see you applying that same standard to the OP to which I was originally applying.

      I don't see why you folks are getting your panties in a bunch just because someone doesn't hold Apple as their Lord and Savior.

      2.) should ask yourself why you bothered posting not just one comment but also two responses as of this writing where you could have just explained your problems with Apple in less text than it took to explain why it was beneath you to explain why you wouldn't explain what your problem with Apple was why you wouldn't NOMAD DOES NOT COMPUTE.

      LOL.....you think making a post about specific problems with Apple would be SHORTER? Yeah, I'm sure that wouldn't start a flurry of replies telling me why I'm wrong. Odd...it appears you are new here on slashdot, yet somehow you have a lower UID number than me.

      But you are right in that this thread is getting a bit long. So, despite the fact I generally try to give other posters the courtesy of reading (and, when necessary, replying to) their posts when they took the time to reply to me, I won't extend that same courtesy to you.

    62. Re: Not unexpected. by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      What's a CD?

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    63. Re:Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes but you're forgetting one important thing - Apple are good and nice, so don't be mean about them.

    64. Re:Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't believe these replacement out of warranty claims. My powerbook got the dreaded blue bars on the screen 13 months after purchase. The machine cost me about $2400, it had light usage, and never left the house. Apple said they wanted over $900 to replace the screen and then went into a smug loop over buying extended warranties from them in future.

      It was a known flaw with the PBs at the time, but Apple dismissed it expecting everyone to suck it up and buy a new machine.

    65. Re:Not unexpected. by uglyduckling · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's common across the board In Europe for manufacturers and retails to lie to consumers about their warranty rights. The sale of 3- or 5-year extended warranties is a huge high-margin profit making exercise for retailers, who 'forget' to inform their customers that UK and EU law usually grants redress for manufacturing and design faults up to 5 or sometimes even 10 years from sale, depending on the product. Apple have been targeted because they're a very visible manufacturer and retailer with policies easily accessed on the web, and probably because they're a US company and a relative easy target. It doesn't make it right, but it is very common.

    66. Re: Not unexpected. by uglyduckling · · Score: 1

      It's true. We should petition Apple to include optical drives on their phones like all the other smartphone manufacturers. I can't believe Apple have been so slow to address this failing.

    67. Re:Not unexpected. by uglyduckling · · Score: 1

      That sounds like a failure in your ability to comprehend computer systems as a generic skill when your rote-learnt windoze skillz couldn't solve the problem.

    68. Re: Not unexpected. by uglyduckling · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're describing the same thing twice, but just writing out the other obvious and necessary (and a few spurious) steps to completing the task. You forgot "open your eyes", "pay the electricity bill", "wear pants", "open the door to the room where your PC is kept" and a thousand and one other steps that really don't need mentioning.

    69. Re:Not unexpected. by zbaron · · Score: 1

      Would you be so kind as to highlight some of those flaws and how they affected you? This might save others from making the same mistake and having the same regrets you did.

    70. Re:Not unexpected. by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      It uses the EXACT same part (down to the model number), and we're wondering why Kawasaki hasn't done a recall on theirs.

      Because often the specification isn't bad, but the manufacturing process had a defect that only affected a specific run or a batch. It is quite possible that even with the same part number that one batch sold was defective while another was not.

      Usually, this can be attributed to production lines using materials to their absolute limit (stamps, presses, drill bits, etc) to try and maximize profit. Occasionally one goes just enough out of spec to slip by QA, but then is corrected in the next batch after the worn production parts are replaced.

    71. Re:Not unexpected. by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Gee, how generous of them of them to replace faulty parts. I should go thank GM for their generosity in the latest wave of recalls.

      Replacing faulty parts 5 years after the warranty expired _is_ generous, since non-faulty parts often don't last five years.

    72. Re:Not unexpected. by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's common across the board In Europe for manufacturers and retails to lie to consumers about their warranty rights.

      It's also common for people claiming this and not knowing what they are talking about. First, the manufacturer has nothing to do with this because all rights you have as a consumer (not as a business) is against the seller, not the manufacturer. Second, the five years that you talk about are the time when your legal relationship with the retailer ends; that doesn't mean that after 4 years and 11 months you would have any automatic right to get problems fixed. Items must last a reasonable amount of time; for computers this is typically two years. And you will have to _prove_ that the defect was there when you bought the item after six months.

    73. Re:Not unexpected. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      And if we get in to details of GM specifically. The ignition, one part, made for GM. Now, lets talk spark plugs, fuses, seats, steel stock, paint, glass, tires, basically the entire braking system, etc. The number of parts which GM buys stalk are counted in the thousands.

      Not just made for GM but also designed by GM. I think it is reasonable that you can fault Apple for design flaws in their Ax processors in their iPhones and devices but design flaws for components they bought from others like nVidia chips? Those buggy chips affected many OEM laptops not just Apple many years after the warranty expired. Like HDDs there is little Apple or any OEM can know or do as they purchased them as a unit. Now if it was a special part that Apple had made for them, that's different.

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    74. Re:Not unexpected. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1
      Oh really? This article seems to disagree with you:

      Certain notebook configurations with GPUs and MCPs manufactured with a certain die/packaging material set are failing in the field at higher than normal rates. To date, abnormal failure rates with systems other than certain notebook systems have not been seen

      Die is certainly at the chip manufacturing level which is nVidia's responsibility. Packaging depends on the specifics of the chip itself. For SoC chips like ARMs, the client like Samsung or Apple can specify much about the packaging as they can customize this. Other chips like Intel x86/64, there's little that the clients control about the packaging. In nVidia's case most of the time the chip and package are done by nVidia.

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    75. Re:Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're free to when there's an article about said keyboards, and you see a bunch of posts claiming they're the best keyboards you can buy.

    76. Re:Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except the Apple products are not designed by Quanta. Quanta started out as an OEM, branching into ODM territory to expand their business, and the company still acts as a pure OEM. Plenty of contract manufactures also design their customer's products.

    77. Re: Not unexpected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got an iPod nano from a dsl promotion. It fell on the first day 2 ft to the floor and cracked. Even though there was a known defect with iPod nano screens around that time, Apple refused warranty on it since it fell and serial was like 1 month outside a specific period.

      Some years later, it was found the batteries had a design defect and they took the 4 year old dead nano and sent me a new nano 5th or 6th Gen for free.

      Still a pos and didnâ(TM)t use it. Too little, too late.
      How many mass recalls have they gone through?

    78. Re: Not unexpected. by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      it's the folly of an open-source audiophile that stores 74 minutes of high-quality uncompressed music (the length of Beethoven's 9th symphony) in unencrypted format. I remember when Best Buy was a huge disruptive force in the market... tower records would sell a CD for $18 but best buy would sell it for $12. Does that make me seem old?

    79. Re:Not unexpected. by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Oracle as a company has been moving up market. A trusted vendor to the fortune 100, state and federal government. They still have clients below that level but they are going after big money clients. They've been disrupted from below.

      Oracle the product gets criticism I think mainly from people who have never admin a complex database.

    80. Re: Not unexpected. by Imazalil · · Score: 1

      I'm a lawyer, lets talk. I've never seen such a blatant disregard of consumer choice. I err you'll make millions from this!

    81. Re:Not unexpected. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      >The people most allergic to peanuts refuse to eat peanut products. In this case, the flaw exists in the person that is allergic to the peanuts. The peanuts did nothing wrong.

      More importantly, calling for peanut free peanut butter just makes you sound like a rambling moron - which brings us back to Apple haters.

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    82. Re:Not unexpected. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I hear OSX has improved a lot since the last time I used it, on a dual G5 which would beachball constantly and hang hard on occasion. Apple couldn't find anything wrong with it, so I conclude that it was the OS. But it was fairly awful to use and horribly unreliable at the time, so I had lots of valid bad things to say about OSX, from experience.

      So you are basing your experience of OS X on a version you used somewhere between 8 -11 years ago? Well that explains a lot about your posts on Apple then.

      It is pretty much indisputable that itunes is a gigantic turd, especially on Windows. I know this from experience, too.

      If you just admitted that you haven't used OS X in at least 8 years can you say it was a turd on OS X? You don't know, do you?

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    83. Re:Not unexpected. by uglyduckling · · Score: 1

      It's also common for people replying to posts to not read properly. I said manufacturers AND retailers lie, and in any case Apple is often the manufacturer and the retailer in this case via the Apple store. And you don't have to prove in the absolute sense that the defect was there, if you go to a County Court to make a claim against the retailer under the Sale of Goods Act in the UK, it's up to the magistrate to decide on the balance of probabilities. Generally, if you have used the item in the way it was intended and there is no evidence of physical damage, and it has not lasted a 'reasonable' period of time, they will find in favour of the purchaser.

  5. Lawyers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the suit is dismissed for lack of standing, Apple is entitled to damages from the lawyers and plaintiffs. :D

    1. Re:Lawyers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Make it so it really hurts. Ask them to pay Apple in brown Zunes.

    2. Re:Lawyers by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I found it a bit curious that one of iPods presented (the 2008 one) was not purchased by the plaintiff but the plaintiff's former husband's law firm. I don't know if it is the same law firm in the case but it wouldn't surprise me.

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  6. Re: Not unexpected...Wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're doing it wrong.
    It might take a while to "rip" the CD into iTunes but it is relatively quick to add a CD to your iPhone through iTunes.
    (Apple will even tell you how to do this.)
    It takes 10-20 minutes at most to do all this. And you don't have to sit in front of the Mac while it processes.
    So..
    I call "BullShite" on your comment.

  7. Apple's admission of guilt by SternisheFan · · Score: 0, Troll
    Apple did admit to deleting non iTunes music from 2007 - 2009... "... Coughlin explained the procedure as to which Apple employed to remove songs from users’ iPods. The vaguely duplicitous act was executed by Apple when iPod users would attempt to sync their iPod with iTunes after downloading music from rival music services. The user would be instructed by an error message instructing it to restore the iPod to its factory setting. Once the user synced their iPod with iTunes after restoring their iPod to its factory settings, the non-Apple music files music would gone.

    Apple defends its action and claims it was just worried its users were at the hands of hackers. Apple’s security director Augustin Farrugia informed the court that hackers “DVD John” and “Requiem” were potential threats to users and thus removed non-Apple music files from iPods. Farrugia reasons Apple did not inform users of the deletion because the company does not want to “confuse users” with “too much information.” ....

    http://www.digitaltrends.com/m...

    1. Re:Apple's admission of guilt by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      That's not how I read Apple's "admissions" at all. Apple countered Real's Helix format when it tried to trick iTunes into thinking they were FairPlay files.

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    2. Re:Apple's admission of guilt by Cheviot · · Score: 5, Informative

      Apple only removed non-Apple, emulated Fairplay DRM encoded music from iPods. Any music you actually ripped from CDs, downloaded from the internet or got from friends were completely and totally unaffected. Only music files that used a hack to make them appear to be protected by Apple's Fairplay DRM were removed.

    3. Re:Apple's admission of guilt by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's a bit out of context... Apple threw up an error message when it detected the music DB had been messed with, and then restored the iPod contents from what was stored in iTunes. All Apple was testing for was that things had been messed with. If the rival music services (read: Real) had properly reverse engineered the sync process, there would have been no problem. Also, if they hadn't included DRM on their music and had pushed it through a regular iTunes sync, there wouldn't have been a problem. The only problem was when Real was attempting to sync their hacked-up version of FairPlay-DRM'd audio through their hacked-up version of an iTunes sync session to the iPod DB. If they got it wrong, everything was reset.

      Real got bitten again by embracing PlaysForSure, which eventually stopped being supported by MS altogether (you can't actually PLAY stuff encrypted with PlaysForSure anymore).

      Of course, Apple made it slightly more difficult by changing the sync protocl part way through this, which indicates they were putting up a token effort to prevent people doing an end-run around the sync process and the FairPlay DRM.

      The real losers here were people running Linux who wanted to use an iPod -- same thing happened there. But that group wouldn't be as useful in a class action suit -- plus, the number of people affected is significantly smaller.

    4. Re:Apple's admission of guilt by jbolden · · Score: 1

      You are quoting out of context. There was nothing duplicitous about it, every step was clearly explained and logic if you thought for a second what you were doing. And of course Apple doesn't restore music it isn't managing. Why would you expect it to? I don't expect your backups to contain my files.

    5. Re: Apple's admission of guilt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Itunes also deleted files not in your itunes library. Got files from another computer? Too Bad. Got a library bigger than your device storage? Sucks to be you. It's not coincidental that music from another service wouldn't be in the itunes library. They designed it that way. There's not a single feature in an Apple device that didn't have every side effect evaluated by the golden god himself and given the green light.

    6. Re: Apple's admission of guilt by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      From the iTunes XML file, yes? Did they delete them from the HD? I don't think so. As for another music service, you are aware that Amazon MP3 files of mine have survived many years of iTunes, right?

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    7. Re: Apple's admission of guilt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that is how it works. I realize this is a difficult concept for you to understand, iTunes is the master file repository.

    8. Re: Apple's admission of guilt by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Um, iTunes didn't delete ANY files. The files on your device were deleted. After that, you then had to re-load from iTunes, and if you used another library, you then had to re-load from there as well. Not rocket science.

  8. The best by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Way to sink your case is to lie.

    If your hatred of Apple is so white hot,

    If your hatred of Apple gets you foaming so bad at the mouth,

    that you would lie, that it is okay to do

    the fault's not with Apple

    The fault lies with you

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    1. Re:The best by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Burma Shave.

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    2. Re:The best by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Burma Shave.

      Mod this guy up!

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    3. Re:The best by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that. Awesome.

  9. Apple was in the right by beltsbear · · Score: 1

    This lawsuit is bullshit. I remember this time and the issue from when it happened. Apple had DRM fights with Realplayer and Rhapsody. Basically Apple allowed you to import unprotected mp3 files and audio CD's. They further allowed (of course) purchases from their own store and were under contractual obligations from record companies to lock down music from the iTunes store at that time. What Rhapsody and Realplayer wanted to do is to sell DRM'ed music yet let it play under iTunes and obviously the iPod, so those companies had to hack iTunes to allow this. If they just sold unprotected content iTunes would have happily imported it and there would be no issue. So they figured out how to hack iTunes, Apple saw what they did and changed it. I think this cycle repeated once or twice. If a customer updated iTunes and had hacked DRM content basically iTunes rejected it and forced the user to start clean. That customer would not be able to use DRM'ed content from Realplayer or Rhapsody. Apple was certainly not required to allow others to hack into iTunes and make it play DRM'ed music from other content providers.

  10. Subject, object, schmubject, schmobject by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    The second plaintiff's iPod was manufactured in July 2009 but claims purchasing another iPod in 2008.

    An iPod bought an iPod?

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    1. Re:Subject, object, schmubject, schmobject by hawk · · Score: 1

      machines are more like people than we thought . . .

      next, someone needs to write, Of iPod Bondage.

      hawk

    2. Re:Subject, object, schmubject, schmobject by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Or just I, Pod.

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    3. Re:Subject, object, schmubject, schmobject by Imazalil · · Score: 1

      The human owner of the first iPod must have had bad taste in music, thus the first iPod did the natural thing and bought a second iPod to listen to something better.

  11. The i by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The i in ipod stands for idiot!

    1. Re:The i by Imazalil · · Score: 1

      Great, thank you for your insightful comment, and especially the effort you put into sharing that with everyone. I cant wait to hear what other insights you may have.

  12. How much was the backhander from Apple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much was the backhander from Apple to the plaintiff that backed out.

    Or was there a good reason not involving bribes or threats?

    1. Re:How much was the backhander from Apple. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      If you are suing for wrongdoing, then you should be able to prove that you were wronged. In this case, one plaintiff couldn't prove that she had an iPod that was covered by the suit. The other plaintiff's situation is more debatable. The iPod that was submitted is not covered but she is claiming another iPod that is covered; however, the covered iPod was not bought by her but by a third party. Seeing how one of the claims of the suit is that Apple's actions raised the cost of the iPod, since she did not purchase the iPod, she cannot claim damages according to her own suit.

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