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Samsung SSD 850 EVO 32-Layer 3D V-NAND-Based SSD Tested

MojoKid writes Samsung just took the wraps off a new family of mainstream solid state drives, targeting the market segment previously occupied by its popular SSD 840 EVO series. The new Samsung SSD 850 EVO series is the follow-up to the company's current flagship SSD 850 PRO, but the new EVO is Samsung's first to pack 32layer 3D VNAND 3-bit MLC flash memory. The move to 32layer 3D VNAND 3-bit MLC flash brings pricing down to the .50 to .60 per GiB range, but doesn't adversely affect endurance because the cell structure doesn't suffer from the same inherent limitations of planar NAND, since the cells are stacked vertically with the 3D VNAND. The new 850 EVO drive performs well with large sequential transfers and also offered very low access times. The compressibility of the data being transferred across the Samsung SSD 850 EVO had no impact on performance and small file transfers at high queue depth were fast. Small file transfers with low queues depths, which is what you'd expect to see with most client workloads, were also very good. The Samsung SSD 850 EVO drives also put up excellent numbers in trace-based tests like PCMark 7.

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  1. Very cool. by Ravaldy · · Score: 2

    Anytime the price and reliability of SSD improves it makes it more viable for end users and business work stations. If I had a bigger budget, every workstation would currently have an SSD.

    1. Re:Very cool. by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2, Funny

      The one with the bigger breasts, of course.

    2. Re:Very cool. by sexconker · · Score: 2

      Bluray's aren't heavily compressed H.264. The "Digital Download" shit they pack in with every major Bluray release have bitrates that are 1/4 of the Bluray or less. Streaming bitrates are even lower. Blurays by comparison have massive, wasteful bitrates because they have to be decoded by ancient shitty players.
      And no, not all Blurays are H.264, the spec also supports MPEG2 and VC-1 - many early Blurays were MPEG2. MPEG2 is nowhere near the same class as MPEG4 Part 10 - they're not "comparable" with regards to quality for a given bitrate.

      Blurays can have up to 40 mbps for video bitrate.
      A nearly-identical rip from the Bluray can be had for 8-10 mbps video bitrate.
      A nearly-identical rip from the same source the Bluray was encoded from (i.e., what the studio can provide you with in the "digital download") can be had for even less.

      If YOU knew what you were talking about you would post actual arguments instead of just trolling like a dipshit.
      Try again.

  2. Re:lowering price? by LehiNephi · · Score: 4, Informative

    They're not stacking silicon wafers on top of each other. Rather, they're putting more layers of oxide, semiconductor, etc onto each wafer in order to produce the 3d stacking. Yes, it's more complex. But it's a pretty mature technology.

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  3. .50 WHAT? by mythosaz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    .50 or .60 what per GiB?

    Quarts? Furlongs? Solar masses?

    1. Re:.50 WHAT? by rahvin112 · · Score: 2

      As the words before that say pricing it should be assumed that they are talking about a monetary measurement. As this is a US site and this storage pricing value is typically measured in the worlds major reserve currency it would not be out of line to say it's in dollars. But yes it should be included.

    2. Re:.50 WHAT? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Caliber. Some of my coworkers like to take old hard drives down to the shooting range and shoot the spindles out.

    3. Re:.50 WHAT? by beelsebob · · Score: 2

      The problem is, 50-60 US cents per gig would be pretty expensive by modern flash's standards.

    4. Re:.50 WHAT? by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 2

      .50 or .60 what per GiB?

      Quarts? Furlongs? Solar masses?

      This is Slashdot, so I'm hoping it's Quatloos.

  4. Re:lowering price? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    According to AnandTech, they move from 20nm back up to 40nm for this tech!

  5. Re:Why no 2tb model? by Kjella · · Score: 4, Informative

    With increased density from 32 layers (despite larger feature size) why don't they have a 2tb (or 1920gb) model yet?

    Anandtech wrote:

    Initially I was told that the 850 EVO would come in 2TB capacity as well, but later on Samsung opted against it due to the limited demand.

    Most likely because there's no savings whatsoever, if a 1TB drive is $500 then 2TB is probably like $980. They scale almost perfectly, all you need is an extra SATA port and you'd get a lot better performance with two in RAID0.

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  6. And a 5 year warranty by timeOday · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The summary fails to mention the 5 year warranty, which is obviously quite fantastic. It was only a few years ago many hard drive manufacturers were cutting back from 3 years to 1. A quick survey of amazon indicates many HDDs are currently offering a 2 year warranty. I'd be peeved if a drive died at 2 1/2 years. 5 1/2, not so much.

  7. Why is 3D NAND better? by hackertourist · · Score: 4, Informative

    TFA says:

    The move to 32-layer 3D VNAND 3-bit MLC flash brings pricing down to the .50 to .60 per GiB range, but doesn't adversely affect endurance because the cell structure doesn't suffer from the same inherent limitations of planar NAND, since the cells are stacked vertically with the 3D VNAND.

    which didn't make sense to me. Luckily Anandtech has a non-gibberish explanation:

    Rather than increasing density by shrinking cell size, Samsung's V-NAND takes a few steps back in process technology and instead stacks multiple layers of NAND cells on top of one another. ...In the floating gate MOSFET, electrons are stored on the gate itself - a conductor. Defects in the transistor (e.g. from repeated writes) can cause a short between the gate and channel, depleting any stored charge in the gate. If the gate is no longer able to reliably store a charge, then the cell is bad and can no longer be written to. Ultimately this is what happens when you wear out an SSD.

    With V-NAND, Samsung abandons the floating gate MOSFET and instead turns to its own Charge Trap Flash (CTF) design. An individual cell looks quite similar, but charge is stored on an insulating layer instead of a conductor. This seemingly small change comes with a bunch of benefits, including higher endurance and a reduction in overall cell size. That's just part of the story though.

    V-NAND takes this CTF architecture, and reorganizes it into a non-planar design. The insulator surrounds the channel, and the control gate surrounds it. The 3D/non-planar design increases the physical area that can hold a charge, which in turn improves performance and endurance.

    The final piece of the V-NAND puzzle is to stack multiple layers of these 3D CTF NAND cells. Since Samsung is building density vertically, there's not as much pressure to shrink transistor sizes. With relaxed planar space constraints, Samsung turned to an older manufacturing process (30nm class, so somewhere between 30 and 39nm) as the basis of V-NAND.

    By going with an older process, Samsung inherently benefits from higher endurance and interference between cells is less of an issue. Combine those benefits with the inherent endurance advantages of CTF and you end up with a very reliable solution. Whereas present day 19/20nm 2-bit-per-cell MLC NAND is good for around 3000 program/erase cycles, Samsung's 30nm-class V-NAND could withstand over 10x that (35K p/e cycles).