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Facebook Offers Solution To End Drunken Posts
First time accepted submitter blueshift_1 writes Remember that photo that you posted to Facebook sophmore year of college when you thought there was nothing more important than partying and letting everyone you knew how hard you partied? Well facebook is now trying to buzzkill every one of those moments. With their upcoming feature, they'll be using photo analysis algorithms to detect how intoxicated you were in the photo and suggest that you not post it. Which in the end, is probably for the best.
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... "I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you start the vehicle."
If you fail the visual test, the car makes you take a breathalizer.
I hereby declare that I can take care of my own posting and am fully responsible for my actions, drunk or otherwise.
Fuck you Big Brother.
So when Facebook compiles all of this information into one large data set and labels the results file "underage drinking" to sell to law enforcement, we won't be surprised at all when arrest rates increase in highly targeted areas with great "success", right?
The power to abuse large data sets should not go unnoticed, and there are quite often more reasons than one to justify a new feature or service.
Not to be preachy, but it always strikes me as odd to what lengths some people will go to mitigate the damage their drinking does, rather than exercising just a bit of self control and not drinking to the point of intoxication. Having to make computers take care of us in this fashion and stop us from harming ourselves just seems silly.
I wonder how many false positives will the algorithm yield. And how people get offended by these FPs.
At the very least, you should have enough self control to not post pictures when you are totally drunk.
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No, this is wrong...totally wrong. HR departments need a way to filter out all the partiers and drunkerds. Facebook has become their number one tool in choosing which employees to discriminate against.
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
This is a symptom of a number of problems including how much employment has become tied to Facebook, but in particular this seems to be the next level of enabling individuals to avoid responsibility for their own actions.
Sometimes, drinking to the point of intoxication is the point.
Instead of fancy breathalizer equipment, making people read a bunch of letters and numbers is probably enough.
So, a bot will be giving advice to drunk college freshmen to act reasonably... Sure, we all know how well it works when you (as a real human who cares) say to someone: "Dude,don't do that please, it's stupid, you're drunk and you're gonna regret it"...
detect how intoxicated you were in the photo and suggest that you not post it. Which in the end, is probably for the best.
Not bad. Now if we can just get them to suggest that you not post things when you don't look intoxicated, they'll have covered all the cases where not posting things to Facebook probably for the best.
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Not to be preachy, but it always strikes me as odd to what lengths some people will go to mitigate the damage their drinking does, rather than exercising just a bit of self control and not drinking to the point of intoxication. Having to make computers take care of us in this fashion and stop us from harming ourselves just seems silly.
Implying that narcissistic addicts of social media could or should exercise good judgement and self-restraint?
Oh, that's fucking rich.
And then institute a downmodding scheme like /.
Friends don't let friends use Facebook
Stuff like this is why I deleted my facebook in the first place. They are jut as bad as google and many many others. They don't care about privacy or civil liberty.
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So when a douche with a fake tan and popped collar tries to upload a selfie he's going to get "Dave are you sure want to do this? My circuits detect 97 % chance of viral mockery"?
Maybe we should start teaching our children coping mechanisms for life and how to entertain themselves, so they don't grow up and turn to alcohol at every opportunity.
Seriously.
I am very small, utmostly microscopic.
Doesn't matter. Others will take photos of you without you know it, then post them for the LOLs. I guess you don't get out much, or socialise.
were the only people still posting on Facebook
A brain is a terrible thing to waste... Mind? That's debatable.
Not to be preachy, but it always strikes me as odd to what lengths some people will go to mitigate the damage their drinking does, rather than exercising just a bit of self control and not drinking to the point of intoxication. Having to make computers take care of us in this fashion and stop us from harming ourselves just seems silly.
You say not to be preachy and then you preach? The entire point of your post was to preach and you think you can disown that by saying "not to be preachy". That's no different than saying "not to be preachy but you really should take Jesus and your lord and savior, and soon". If you want to try and push your morality on others, at least have the balls to own what you're doing.
So all of my facebook posts are going to be deleted?
You don't have much self control when totally drunk. That's the point of getting drunk. Get a life, buddy.
Facebook needs to provide the answer to privacy, that is what they need to provide. And you have none is not the best answer,
There's a middle ground, just moderate how often you get immoderately drunk. For me, anyway, getting drunk every month or two is a nice way to relax and let loose.
Not to be pedantic, but, the L and the S should be capitalized. If you were drunk while writing this post, we'll understand.
There are many people who suffer from a lousy self image. They may feel that they are the only ones who have ever done stupid things. It can be quite theraputic to realise that almost all people have really humbling moments and actually be able to see people that you deal with every day during those moments. If you had the flu and found yourself on the bathroom floor spewing from both ends your mind has a snapshot of what you felt you looked like. How about being able to see your boss under very similar conditions? Or how about the night your banker got drunk and punched his wife and left home in cuffs in a squad car? I doubt there is anyone out there that has not had times when they looked or acted like they belonged in a trash dump.
"turn to alcohol" is a very judgmental attitude. I love drinking - I like the taste of great wine, beer and drinks, and I like the feeling of intoxication and enjoying life with others while intoxicated. Doesn't mean I can't enjoy, or cope with, life when not intoxicated, but I don't have to choose just one or the other.
Intoxication is entertainment. Try it sometime.
Facebook has immediate access to your phone number details, like name, address etc?
FB on your phone or registered FB, the instant you put that number in there they have all the details.
As I stated previously it's become a ubiquitous login as well, allowing FB all of that 3rd party data, I wonder when people will become uncomfortable with this level of access, with the psych profile built off of their data and actions.
I don't think most people get it.
Kind of sad that most people I talk to say they can't quit Facebook or they would lose touch with their friends and/or family.
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We have an unhealthy societal perspective regarding alcohol, which you are indicating right there in your post. The drinking done by these people is probably not causing a great deal of harm, but we have an unprecedented level of access to cameras and semi-permanent communications. Therefore, this otherwise healthy activity can have harmful effects on your career or personal life.
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Did Facebook hire Owen Wilson and Vince Vaughn away from their Google internships? Man, those guys are good.
We should not protect people from themselves. Stopping them from posting such pictures will not prevent their failure in the future. Let them fail and learn or just fail.
Facebook is doing some interesting research. Is it even possible to determine, from a picture, if someone is drunk? Do you start with face recognition algorithms, and look at the face? Can the algorithm learn body language? I am skeptical on this.
Fashioning such a tool is largely about building image recognition technology that can distinguish between your drunken self and your sober self, and using a red-hot form of artificial intelligence called “deep learning”—a technology bootstrapped by LeCun and other academics—Facebook has already reached a point where it can identify your face and your friends’ faces in the photos you post to its social network, letting you more easily tag them with the right names.
Identifying one's face is not barely even AI any more. The fingerprint is based on the distance between the facial features. Yes, neural networks and things are good at finding those features, so AI is involved to some degree. Identifying some vague concept like drunkenness based on a facial recognition algorithm seems like a big step. I'll be impressed if they can do this with any reliability. I bet you could do better looking at the GPS coordinates of the picture, proximity to bars, the people in the picture, and the time of day. Maybe that is more like what they are doing, than actually judging the image itself.
P.S. This is supposed to be a tech blog. How sad is it that a story about deep learning AI yields nothing but a series of jokes about drunkenness?
they'll be using photo analysis algorithms to detect how intoxicated you were in the photo and suggest that you not post it
... Except that most of the time the people taking those photos are posting them while they are intoxicated, and therefore the suggestion not to post won't have any effect
My impression is the regret in taking these drunken pictures happens years after the fact, when the drunken college scene has been left behind, and the poster now has a family and a 9-to-5 job and they want to distance themselves from that past. Trying to tell college students that they shouldn't be posting inappropriate pictures of themselves drinking is futile, the warning will be completely ignored.
trying to make Di-Oxy Di-Fluorine and hoping that it was within a few feet of the Muther-Zucker's office.
So now all the 13 year olds will be faking a drunk selfy to see if Facebook gives them the knock-knock. I suspect this will actually encourage them to drink. I can hear it now: "Dude Facebook thinks I'm drunk, how cool is that!"
Sometimes life gives you more than you can handle, and you just want to shut out the entire world. Like the loss of a child or partner. It's not an elegant way of dealing with the problem, but alcohol is cheap, legal and pretty effective in numbing your brain.
"Could be worse...could be raining." Igor
So the CIA has this THING for anal hydration.
Did they start that because George W. Bush is a big fan of Gay Sex?
ha ha
I solved it before them. Don't drink, ever. Works for me.
On that subject, if it calls one single photo of me drunk, we're gonna have a big fucking problem. I don't ever upload a single photo of me for privacy reasons but still.
How about we just mandate that Facebook (or any other website that keeps personal information) be required to DELETE any and ALL history over a specific age. I figure that anything more than a year old is worthless to just about everybody anyway, but make it something like 7 years. That way, your unfortunate college posts won't haunt you all your life.
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Everyone drink, post and repeat. Until Facebook warns you to stop.
Have gnu, will travel.
Same here, except opiates don't really have that taste aspect to them.
Doesn't this start to draw a distinct line in the sand concerning content management on the site? Haven't sites like FB generally escaped legal issues associated with usr's illegal posts based on the argument they aren't reasonable for the content?
So if you CAN generate an interface or filter to prevent or dissuade certain questionable content, how is it that the next step wont instantly be the Gov't requiring similar filters/features "to prevent or dissuade" ________. ------ you favorite hot topic item (guns, abortion, porn, police abuse)
Never bothered signing up for an account. Am I missing out much?
Not to be preachy, but
Have you ever noticed how the words, "Not to be ___________, but," always seem to precede a bunch more words that are the epitome of ____________?
I have!
They don't grade fathers, but if your daughter's a stripper, you fucked up. --Chris Rock
I guess people in the US are so aversed to the idea of the nanny state and the gubbermint telling them what to do for their own benefit that corporations have had to step in to fill the poor impulse control and diminished responsibility void. Great, now people in the US can get their moral advice from egocentric, autistic, sociopathic corporations instead.
I was thinking of making profile on Facebook.
Now I'll have to pop on over to that competing social site, Drunkbook and create one there.
We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
"This photo appears to show you passed out and covered with obscenities written with a Sharpie. Do you want me to Photoshop them out?"
When someone starts a sentence with "I don't mean to be...", there's at least a 99% chance that they mean to be.
Everything in moderation - including moderation.
And what about those people with disabilities or possibly a person that has suffered a stroke and may look as though they are drunk or intoxicated in there pictures? Sounds like a Lawsuit waiting to happen, but heck I am sure FB can just drop the money to make it go away.
But getting intoxicated IS THE POINT of drinking!!!
This! Thank you for saying that! I can't believe how many Puritans seem to exist these days and they need to be told off. You did a better job than I'm about to.
I drink. I like to get drunk. I don't do dumb crap when I get drunk. I don't get drunk a lot but when I do, I do it properly. That includes not being a hazard, not taking pictures, and not allowing pictures to be taken of me, particularly by anybody who knows who I am. It's actually possible.
Attention prohibitionists: go away. You're annoying.
There are studies about which groups are most prone to alcohol abuse. Map the IP's and screen accordingly.
When someone starts a sentence with "I don't mean to be...", there's at least a 99% chance that they mean to be.
The same can probably be said of "With all due respect..."
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
My suspicion is that /. could use this even more...
They can take my LifeAlert pendant when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
"With all due respect" is accurate but imprecise. It's technically true, it just leaves out the detail that all the respect that the person is due is none.
With all due respect, when I write "with all due respect" I mean it. Now, I'm not saying that the "due respect" is positive for any individual case....
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Really, Facebook should add a feature that let's anyone in a photo veto its entire publication on the site. They already have great facial recognition algorithms - I should be able to completely remove a photo of me that my friend posted, instead of just removing the tag.
You're familiar with the idea of a tipping point right? Some people have the same problem of runaway feedback loops on a macro scale as they might otherwise have on a micro scale. Their ability to have self control in the short term just convinces them to get closer to the addiction "event horizon" until they find that hairy edge where they've found the limit of their own self control.
Not to be preachy, but it always strikes me as odd to what lengths some people will go to mitigate the damage their drinking does, rather than exercising just a bit of self control and not drinking to the point of intoxication. Having to make computers take care of us in this fashion and stop us from harming ourselves just seems silly.
Believing that it's silly to use technology to help people make better decisions when they are impaired seems silly to me. Doubly so on a site supposedly for people that are into technology.
Some privacy policy Slashdot.
Zuck , it took you what 11 years to learn that FaceMash was probably not the best idea ?
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and I'm sure some or even most of that could be attributed to many of the first settlers being Religious fanatics
Anyone have a polite way of telling people that you don't want them to take digital photos of you without sounding like a paranoid antisocial weirdo?
I only use really bad blurry pictures for my own profile pics on the web and I don't let people tag me in posts, but the sheer number of pics that I show up in online without my consent means most likely Facebook and the like will ID me even though I don't participate. It really annoys me that even in party situations the social norm is not to ask for any consent or even tell people you are about to take a photo. They just want to document their social life for world to see and I want the opposite, a completely undocumented social life.
Same here, except opiates don't really have that taste aspect to them.
That is the reason I (AC you replied to) prefer alcohol over drugs. I don't really have anything against most drugs, but I just *also* enjoy the taste of great drinks while getting intoxicated, great wine, great beer, great drinks. And (probably pretentious), appreciation of that has for me come with putting a bit of interest and money into what I drink.
As if. Like we're drunken sorority sluts or frat-boys. I should hope the Slashdot crowd is above this sort of hood rat debauchery.
It shocks me how rarely the cultural underpinnings are made overt in these scenarios. What you depict might actually be the case in America, but I suspect it will be different in France, where when a search pulls up no college revelry whatsoever, cultured individuals might begin to seriously doubt your breeding and character.
Whether posting photos of regular drunkenness counts as bad judgement has a circular basis case. If you get yourself photographed draping and drooling over some chick who looks none too impressed with the group grope, there might be some legitimate flags raised. Multiple binge-ups during school session might also raise eyebrows, even in France. It sure won't accentuate that embarrassing C- you received in Economics 101 because of the "family crisis".
Daryl Hannah's distal indecency. In America, s/irony/context/g.
(I had forgotten that this clip also contains some good geek humour, though slightly dated and with just a hint of cheese.)
Mmmmmm. Northern Lights, Purple Urkel, Chocolate Kush, Silver Haze, Ozark mountain Retardo, Trainwreck.
In that order. With a small course of food and a nice drink between rounds. Trainwreck on the couch.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Even better, you get to entertain those around you. They all love it.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Why bother, people will make fools of themselves no matter what. Like protesting and destroying your own town. You see a person for who they really are when they are drunk.
Sometimes? What are the other times?
I know a lot of people have come up with "Well, I like the taste..." but that's BS. Ethanol is a gross tasting solvent and we drink it for one reason, to experience its effects. In the past, it was safer to drink than certain other things because of the antimicrobial effect, but that's been beside the point for 100 years.
One of the effects of drinking, is that it lessens self control.
I assume the GP was making a distinction between drinking a smaller amount to get "tipsy" or "buzzed" but not enough to get heavily impaired.
There's also another major reason to drink which is social pressure.
can I use the drunken person search engine to find the best drunken pictures? Or have it arrange the drunkest pictures on top for the person I am looking into? Will it assign a rating to each person so I can quickly see a facebook drunkeness score so I can toss their resume?
There is a reason that shooting Heroin is called 'having a taste'. It's because it does have a taste when injected.
The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
I can get on board with this one, now if they could just suggest that you not join during the signup phase.