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Proposed Theme Park Would Put BBC Shows On Display

According to the Guardian, a "developing deal" for a theme park located in Kent could transform various BBC shows into Disney-style in-person experiences. Says the article: BBC Worldwide, the commercial arm of the BBC, has struck a deal with a Kuwait-backed property developer to allow a range of its programmes and characters to be “brought to life” at a new £2bn theme park and holiday resort to be built by the Thames estuary in north Kent, in partnership with Paramount Pictures. London Resort Company Holdings has signed a development agreement with BBC Worldwide to feature the corporation’s intellectual property at the London Paramount Entertainment Resort, which promises to “combine the glamour of Hollywood with the best of British culture." Shows named include Top Gear, Sherlock, and Dr. Who; I think I'd rather visit a theme park that was entirely based on Monty Python's Flying Circus, but a Top Gear racetrack or simulator would be fun.

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  1. Hyacinth ... by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    ... don't forget Keeping Up Appearances!

    I for one want to meet Mrs. Bucket, ulp, sorry Bouquet ...

    1. Re:Hyacinth ... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      I for one want to meet Mrs. Bucket, ulp, sorry Bouquet ...

      He's a builder and excellent folk-singer who lives and works in North Yorkshire. Answers to "Pete".

      No, I'm not joking.

      I had to have the programme explained to me, never having watched more than 30 seconds of the repellent waste of electrons, but once I'd seen enough to recognise the character traits of Bucket-gob (the original) and Mrs Bouquet (the fictional derivative), the comparison was obvious. One or other of the (original) script-writers lives in the same street.

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    2. Re:Hyacinth ... by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Interesting ... what characteristics does he share with the Mrs. Bucket character?

    3. Re:Hyacinth ... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Mostly the name, and a whithering contempt for pretension and snootiness. so [whatever the name of the scriptwriter] decided to poke fun at a friend by casting his nickname into the body of a near complete antithesis.

      Like I said, I don't know the programme itself ; I can't stand the oiliness of the loathsome main character for more than a few seconds before I feel the temptation to put boot to face. Spending a week on the hill with the original is by contrast a pleasure.

      There's probably a word for "demonstrating by counter-example", but I can't think of it at the moment.

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  2. Smegging right! by jdwoods · · Score: 3, Informative

    Red Dwarf, you smegheads!

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  3. Dont forget to handcuff people before they get in by NotInHere · · Score: 1

    they could steal stuff! better make rectal spyware control posts at the exit, so that nobody can smuggle something out.
    Would be at least consistent with BBC's position towards EME. Not firefox should get the blame and the shitstorm.

  4. better make it indoors by Bog+Standard · · Score: 1

    'cos the weather is shit round here.

  5. pretty sad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    that they went overseas to find developers for a theme park project in their own country. surely they could have found uk-based partners, investors and developers?

    1. Re:pretty sad.. by newcastlejon · · Score: 1

      surely they could have found uk-based partners, investors and developers?

      No, we've actually seen the programmes in question so, apart from Doctor Who, we be uninterested in seeing things that have been on the television for the past twenty-odd years. Domestic developers probably know that this park is something that will get a bit of interest for a few months then devolve into a ghost town, peopled by a handful of foreign tourists who've already been to Buckingham Palace.

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    2. Re:pretty sad.. by BasilBrush · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If they can have several successful theme parks based on Lego, I see no reason why they can't for BBC TV shows.

      So long as it's more theme park than museum, it'll work.

    3. Re:pretty sad.. by abigsmurf · · Score: 1

      Theme parks are vanity investments. You largely invest in them so you can say "our portfolio includes theme parks...". Nobody does vanity investments like the oil rich counties.

      They're massive risks and the UK is home to the world's second largest theme park Operator, Merlin Entertainment (probably most famous internationally for running the legoland parks). This theme park will be under an hours drive from 3 different Merlin owned Theme Parks (in addition to the London Dungeons and Madam Tussaud's) .

  6. plus BBC America? by cellocgw · · Score: 2

    I'm hoping for a full-on Orphan Black setup.

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  7. Re:Costume Characters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm picturing it being funded by the British public who will of course be charged an entry fee and later will see none of the profits.

  8. Here comes some heresy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Monty Python isn't actually very funny.

    I'm British and let me tell you lot's of us feel that way

    I have to remain anonymous otherwise I could be killed for saying this

    1. Re:Here comes some heresy... by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      No, its tru - most of MP isn't very funny at all, its just that we forget the crap bits and remember the good.

      What's most important about Python is that they did it at all, before them there was practically no surreal style comedy, it was all made by men who used to be in the military and were used to entertaining the troops or Victorian variety music hall type stuff. That Python changed the comedy landscape was probably more important than their hit-and-miss show, but that's what you get when you push so far past the boundaries of the times.

      Take a look at Spike Milligan's stuff, a lot of that was so weird as to be unwatchable, but the good stuff was great.

      Same could be said of every evolution of comedy - in the 80s when Ben Elton and Alexei Sayle were basically shouting "down with Thatcher", they only had some stuff that was funny, but it changed comedy for the better as it settled in. Today, League of Gentlemen or Little Britain's stuff has a lot of crap in it too, but you remember the good sketches.

    2. Re:Here comes some heresy... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Comedy always dates. Morecambe and Wise was hilarious in it's heyday in the 1970s, and well deserved a majority of the population watching the Christmas specials. But anyone watching now would be mildly amused at best. This isn't because 1970s audiences were wrong, or were just enjoying a few highlights. It was virtually all very funny. It's just that comedy dates.

      Same goes for The Young ones. Same for League of Gentlemen and Little Britain, which have already dated. Same goes for Red Dwarf and The Office.

      I'm sure the same is true of Monty Python and Spike Milligan, though as I was a kid when they were first broadcast I can't speak from authority there.

      At one time, the jokes in Shakespeare would have been genuinely funny.

  9. Monty Python? by CanEHdian · · Score: 1

    I think I'd rather visit a theme park that was entirely based on Monty Python's Flying Circus,

    "No, you wouldn't."

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    1. Re:Monty Python? by CanEHdian · · Score: 1

      I'm sure there would be a long line, um queue, for the complaints department.

      Oh! Oh, I'm sorry. This is the argument clinic. Complaints is next door, room 12B.

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    2. Re:Monty Python? by sconeu · · Score: 1

      It's all in good fun, until someone pulls the lever and releases the bengal tiger...

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  10. Re:Sound like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm disgusted that the ambulances seen in this show set in the 1950s were 1950s ambulances that don't meet modern safety standards in a crash. They should have insisted on modern ambulances.

  11. Re:Benny Hill? by YuppieScum · · Score: 1

    Fortunately, The Benny Hill Show was shown on ITV (specifically, produced by Thames Television)...

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  12. Re:RED DWARF by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

    "RED DWARF"... "make it so"?!

    Subtle troll is subtle. :-)

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  13. Hnnnn.... by MitchDev · · Score: 1

    The ride for "Coupling" could be fun :)

  14. Re:Sound like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I watched a series on Netflix from the BBC called "Call the Midwife". It was a story about midwifes in the late fifties. One of the midwifes was a chain smoker and even smoked around children. I find it hard to watch a program where it shows people smoking as it does not in my opinion add anything to the story. It just shows their almost total disregard of their advertising of cigarettes. It is also a sell out to the smoking industry.

    It's hard to tell if you're trying to be ironic or something here, but, as you said, the program was set in the 1950's, guess what?, people smoked back then..a lot of them (hard to get an exact figure quickly, but say between 45-50% of the adult population as a lower best guess) and smoked a rather large amount (20-40 a day habit quite common in that generation).
    '..even smoked around children..' is a modern affectation, firstly it wasn't perceived to be harmful (thanks to the propaganda campaigns mounted by the tobacco companies) besides, even children smoked (and still do), it was perceived as being part of growing up..yer first fag..(In my case, being a contrary bugger, my first cigar..aged 9 or so)

    A drama set in that period where no-one smoked wouldn't look echt..
    It's drama, attempting to portray another time and place based on someone's memoirs of said time and place, so what do you want?, revisionist history where none of the things we now consider 'wrong' to exist?, a nicer, happier, Disneyfied past c/w a nice clean London East end, full of nice clean, healthy smiling ragamuffins and unrealistically nice, clean non-smoking adults?

    Btw, I'm a non-smoker..despite the cigar incident alluded to above, despite being brought up in, and around households where every adult smoked (bar one of my grandmothers, the other, as they say here, she 'smoked like a lum').

  15. Re:Sound like... by itsdapead · · Score: 1

    It was a story about midwifes in the late fifties. One of the midwifes was a chain smoker and even smoked around children.

    Yes - in the 1950s, nobody would have batted an eyelid at that (its probably a detail from the real-life memoirs the series was inspired by). My dad was in hospital with a lung infection in the 50s. They came round the ward with a cart handing out free cigarettes.

    it does not in my opinion add anything to the story.

    Really? It shows one aspect of how social practices and attitudes have changed in the last 50 years which is the whole bloody point of the show! Should they have quietly corrected all the now-discredited medical practices while they were at it? Perhaps they should have shown more women in senior positions instead type-casting them as midwifes and nurses?

    Perhaps you should stick to watching Life on Mars instead - then you have a modern-day avatar to call the 1970s characters out on any behaviour which would not be acceptable in 2010, lest you thought the producers were endorsing it.

    It is also a sell out to the smoking industry.

    Just because they really are out to get you, it doesn't mean that you're not paranoid.

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  16. Re:Benny Hill? by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

    The article does claim that he was on the BBC- albeit even then not exclusively- in his early career, but moved to Thames in the late 60s. Still, this is another example of how Americans(?) always assume that British Television = BBC.

    Since his move occurred just before BBC1 and ITV started colour transmissions, it's safe to say that any "Benny Hill Shows" in colour weren't made by the BBC.

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  17. Re:When you try and leave . . . by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

    Will a giant white ball chase you down?

    Not unless they license that show, since it was made by ATV/ITC for the ITV network, not the BBC. (*)

    Unless, of course, I misunderstood you, and you were referring to a bizarre episode of It's a Knockout. ;-)

    (*) Ditto this post regarding the "all British TV programmes were made by the BBC" fallacy Americans and others seem to hold.

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  18. Re:Sound like... by easyTree · · Score: 1

    Good point. In the interests of historical accuracy, all shows should include aggressive chain-smoking. To do otherwise would portray a diminished control over the health of the general population.

  19. Re:Sound like... by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

    Don't forget, it wasn't just ok to smoke around children - it was actually good for you.. or at least, that's what the doctors in the adverts told us

    See if you can spot the cigarette advert featuring the babies in there!

    As for the Disney-fied theme park, you should watch "Churchill: the Hollywood Years", where a (US marine, of course) Winston Churchill first appears with the Enigma machine that's he's single-handedly (well, with his black sidekick's assistance) captured from the Germans, but then visits London's East End which, as every American Hollywood person knows, was populated entirely with happy, singing, Irish Cockneys.

  20. Re:When you try and leave . . . by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

    That show already has a theme park - Portmeirion in west Wales. Go visit it... (yes, I know, its a real village first, but I think it only exists now due to the tourist trade)

  21. Re:Sound like... by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

    and to remember smoking in TV shows... there was one called "Between the Lines", about 'internal investigations" cops. One of the actors was told he should smoke as it was part of his characters... only the actor had just given up smoking. So he said "sod it" and smoked... famously continually smoking throughout the show. It gave the show a really "grittier" look about it.

  22. "The larch...the larch...the larch" by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Such a theme park would be a lot more fun if it included references to those derisive Monty Python sketches about BBC culture.

  23. Race the Stig ride by mrflash818 · · Score: 1

    "Race the Stig" ride? ...please please please.

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  24. Re:Sound like... by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

    I'd like to point out that almost certainly the smoke seen on screen would have been CGI. Bans on smoking in public places and workplaces typically extend to TV studios. Furthermore, if there's children in shot, there's no way they'd have real smoke.

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  25. Re:Benny Hill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Start wth "The Avengers", (Steed and Emma Peel).
    Then "The Prisoner"

    There's plenty more.

  26. Re:Costume Characters by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

    BBC Worldwide is a commercial entity that gets money by reselling BBC content oversees. It gets no part of the license fee or any other public funding. It is arguable that it has unfair advantage in that the production costs of most of its assets were covered by the BBC; however, it's a fair stretch to say that the public will be paying for this theme park, particularly given that they're looking to outside investors to fund it.

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  27. Re:Costume Characters by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

    Which leads to an interesting question -- why limit it to BBC? Alice in Wonderland is out of copyright, and the Disney production borrowed its aesthetic very heavily from the original illustrations. Why not be some kind of "Britainland" for American tourists?

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  28. Top Gear? by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

    Top Gear themed rides? Well, I suppose it gives an excuse to be a little shit. The "Be a Star in a Reasonably-Priced Car" roller coaster: not quite as fast or thrilling as the "Ferraris" at other theme parks....

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  29. Re:Sound like... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    Bans on smoking in public places and workplaces typically extend to TV studios.

    They don't in England. So long as you can justify it dramatically, and there is no reasonable replacement there is an exception for theatrical film and TV smoking indoors.

    So a brief shot at a distance you could reasonably be required to use an ecig as a replacement. But a longer close up shot may require the generation of ash, and the diminishing length of a real cigarette.

    In Scotland however, there is no such exception.

    (This is AFAIK, based on the rules in the year after the smoking ban came in. It's possible that it's changed, but I doubt it.)

  30. Re:Benny Hill? by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

    Given the standard of what ITV produces* this isn't surprising. I can't think of a single show that ITV managed to export before Downton Abbey.

    What are you talking about? The company "ITV plc" (which has only existed since 2004) or the ITV network?

    Remember that "ITV" was originally- and still is- the collective name given to the network of (once independent) regional franchisees for the main commercial TV station.

    It was only after the franchisees were allowed to merge- starting in the 90s- that the two largest remaining companies merged to become "ITV plc" in 2004. Before that, there wasn't an ITV company, just a bunch of separate companies that generally cooperated. And there are still two companies (STV and UTV) that are on the ITV network but not part of "ITV plc".

    So, yeah, there were plenty of "ITV" shows exported before 2004, but those were made by various different companies.

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  31. Re:Costume Characters by madhi19205 · · Score: 1

    Am picturing "The Thick of it" exibit. You get screamed at by Capaldi yelling and insulting you until you break and leave.

  32. Doc Martin yes. As Time Goes By no. by jpellino · · Score: 1

    Just put Doc in the park infirmary. Think of the money saved.

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  33. Re:Sound like... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Just last night, I was watching some videos taken while Yes were recording Going For The One where they took a break and passed around a joint. Those bits obviously should have been cut out, since nobody does that any more. Oh, wait...

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  34. ITV already has a theme park for The Prisoner by Snufu · · Score: 1
  35. Sherlock Holmes themed opium den? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

    I just want a Sherlock holmes themed opium den.

    However. Failing all of that. I could just add a theme park to my mind palace.

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  36. Who World by Forthan+Red · · Score: 1

    For the Doctor Who ride, you would just get into the Tardis, which would then appear in some other part of the park, at which point you will be attacked by Cybermen or Sontarans.

  37. great, giant foam daleks by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    a la Disneyland.

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  38. bbc+theme parks by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    they're certainly thinking of the children.

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  39. Re:Yewtree by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    mod up. A BBC themed park would be to a padophile like locking a sugar junkie in a candy store.

    hell, they'll even have locks on the inside of the Teletubbie Land houses.

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  40. Re:Intellectual Property? by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    the BBC produces its own content, I think you're thinking of Channel 4 (which doesn't actually produce *anything* - and about 20% of its commission funding comes from the National Lottery).

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  41. Re:Benny Hill? by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    uh...

    Crown Court
    The Bill
    Sapphire And Steel
    anything made by Gerry Anderson
    Peppa Pig
    Parade's End
    Coronation Street
    The Price Is Right
    Come Dine With Me
    Who Wants To Be A Millionaire
    BGT/X Factor

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  42. Fawlty Towers by pavon · · Score: 1

    Like Disney World, will it also have accompanying lodging.

  43. Peaky Blinders by Old+Aylesburian · · Score: 1

    Get mugged by a brummie character?

  44. The Gift Shop.... by amacbride · · Score: 1

    ...should of course be based on "Are You Being Served?"

  45. Re:Sound like... by RicktheBrick · · Score: 1

    The whole bloody point of the show was showing the caring relationship between the midwifes and their patients. It showed women helping each other and their patients. The odds that their would be 4 beautiful young midwifes is less than the odds that they would find 4 non-smoking midwifes. How could the smoking midwife maintain her clothes and buy her makeup and still have money for cigarettes? The smoking doctor had a son who would have been my age at that time. Did they show that boy waking up in the middle of the night because his father was coughing uncontrollably? No! it did not. I know I did and I experienced the fear that it gave me. The midwifes lived together in very modest home. It would have taken just one time where the smoking midwife fell asleep with a lit cigarette to burn that home down. It happened and is still happening today. They chose to show smoking but they also chose not to show any of the negative effects of smoking. It could have shown the smoking midwife at a store choosing to buy cigarettes instead of buying makeup, clothes, or even a birthday present for a fellow midwife or even a member of her family. If they chose to show accuracy, people would have not watched it. The question is whether more people would have watched the program if they left out the smoking than watched it because of the smoking. I think people watched the program to see the midwifes dedication to their patients and to each other and not because one of the midwives and the doctor smoked. I know I did.

  46. Sounds ... less than tempting. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
    Planned by beancounters, themselves hired by luvvies ; funded by sand-jockeys ; built on the Plains of Englandshire.

    I'd rather boil my own head.

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