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Webcast Funerals Growing More Popular

HughPickens.com writes: Lex Berko reports in The Atlantic that although webcasting has been around since the mid-1990s, livestreamed funerals have only begun to go mainstream in the last few years. The National Funeral Directors Association has only this year introduced a new funeral webcasting license that permits funeral homes to legally webcast funerals that include copyrighted music. The webcast service's growing appeal is, by all accounts, a result of the increasing mobility of modern society. Remote participation is often the only option for those who live far away or have other barriers — financial, temporal, health-related — barring them from attending a funeral. "It's not designed to replace folks attending funerals," says Walker Posey. "A lot of folks just don't live where their family grew up and it's difficult to get back and forth."

But some funeral directors question if online funerals are helpful to the grieving process and eschew streaming funerals live because they do not want to replace a communal human experience with a solitary digital one. What happens if there's a technical problem with the webcast — will we grieve even more knowing we missed the service in person and online? Does webcasting bode well for the future of death acceptance, or does it only promote of our further alienation from that inevitable moment? "The physical dead body is proof of death, tangible evidence that the person we love is gone, and that we will someday be gone as well," says Caitlin Doughty, a death theorist and mortician. "To have death and mourning transferred online takes away that tangible proof. What is there to show us that death is real?"

70 comments

  1. I hate funerals for a friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This won't help.

    Love Lies Bleeding.

    1. Re:I hate funerals for a friend by billstewart · · Score: 4, Informative

      Get used to it, you'll have more of them as you get older.

      One thing I hadn't really thought about before my mother-in-law's funeral was that, if you die when you're old, most of the people at your funeral other than your family will also be old - mobility and transportation were difficult for some of her friends, there were more people with wheelchairs than the restaurant we went to afterward really knew how to handle, and there were people who didn't come because it's just too difficult, and this might have helped them some. It's not the same as being there, but sometimes you can't.

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    2. Re:I hate funerals for a friend by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      Get used to it, you'll have more of them as you get older.

      I got that covered buddy. I am not planning to get older. "Paging, Dr Kevorkian... Dr Kevorkian... customer needs assistance in departure lounge ... Dr Kevorkian..."

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    3. Re:I hate funerals for a friend by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      My girlfriend couldn't go to her grandfather's funeral in China, so the family made a DVD and had it sent to her. There are companies in China who specialize in filming funerals and making them into DVDs for relatives overseas.

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    4. Re:I hate funerals for a friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not the AC from above, but I just wanted to point out that "Funeral for a Friend" is a band. Love Lies Bleeding is one of their songs. They weren't saying "I hate going to friend's funerals". I suspect the intersection between /. readers and FFAF fans is rather small.

    5. Re:I hate funerals for a friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...and grown-ups will remember "Funeral for a Friend" and "Love Lies Bleeding" as two songs from Elton John's 1973 Goodbye Yellow Brick Road.

    6. Re:I hate funerals for a friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would be amazed if Dr Kevorkian answered the summons.

    7. Re:I hate funerals for a friend by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      and most of those same adults will remember they tend to be played together

    8. Re:I hate funerals for a friend by tresho · · Score: 1

      I got that covered buddy. I am not planning to get older.

      Are you STILL alive? If so, then so much for your 'plans'. You GOT older, like it or not.

  2. my death is nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you die before you die, then when you die you won't die

  3. Ebola by Spy+Handler · · Score: 0

    They should webcast the funerals in Ebola countries so the relatives don't go around kissing the dead person at the funeral.

    1. Re:Ebola by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      might as well just watch the latest zombie movie. Similar content in a much more entertaining format.

    2. Re:Ebola by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should webcast the funerals in Ebola countries so the relatives don't go around kissing the dead person at the funeral.

      Thank you. That handles two sticky issues that all of us with a sense of decorum were unable to solve.

  4. "Death theorist" by EthanDemurs · · Score: 1

    And Mortician. I'm sure we all don't enjoy molesting dead bodies as much as she does but seeing one via live feed is enough evidence for me.

  5. copyrighted music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't need a license to broadcast music that is incidental. It's part of the funeral that you're recording. Duh.

    1. Re:copyrighted music by davester666 · · Score: 1

      sorry, no. it's not "incidental"

      It is being played on purpose [the music is specifically selected and played at specific times] AND it is a public performance. Particularly if it's webcast. Nevermind that it is being "broadcast" by a [generally, for-profit] company, the funeral home.

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    2. Re:copyrighted music by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
      What is more, the Funeral home's will probably have several packages, from the $599. webcam and music only, to the $10,000 live facebook and twitter extravaganza. Next up? Commercials.

      Regardless, I'm not having any funeral, so don't care a lot about what the embalmers want to do.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    3. Re:copyrighted music by tresho · · Score: 1

      " I'm not having any funeral, so don't care a lot about what the embalmers want to do." Dead people don't make funerals, living people do. Presence of a dead body is optional.

  6. For friends and family, I want to be there. by mmell · · Score: 2

    For some others, however . . . well, I make it a point not to dance in public.

    1. Re:For friends and family, I want to be there. by kolbe · · Score: 2

      How is this any different than saying goodbye when they are alive?

      My uncle recently passed from Parkinson's and he had his death on Skype...

      Yes, that is correct, his last few hours on this earth were streamed over a Skype call. I thought it was a good way for family to say goodbye to him though and he said mumblingly that it felt like most of the family was there in his final hours, which was his final request. The Skype thing really helped get more people "there", particularly the ones unable to fly to him due to monetary or personal requirements.

  7. This is a brilliant idea! by tlambert · · Score: 1

    This is a brilliant idea!

    More webcasts should have funerals, so we can bury them and move on, and there will be one less webcast!

  8. Will the funeral of slashdot be webcast? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Netcraft confirms slashdot is dying.

  9. "What is there to show us that death is real?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kill someone you know and there will be ur evidence.

  10. Funerals are already disconnected from reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I don't know if it's different outside North America, but try to count the number of funerals you've been to - and then how many of those were open-casket. As a society the mere sight of death has become so fearsome a feat to overcome that most families opt out of showing off the body and granting those visiting the funeral proper closure.

    "Oh, s/he is dead? Well, nothing to see, I guess I'll just have to take your word for it. Wish I could have at least said goodbye face-to-face."

    It's death. One of the few things we all truly have in common. One of the most natural events in life. Yet, let's raise a generation that doesn't even see it up close. Because that would just be too shocking.

    1. Re:Funerals are already disconnected from reality by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 1

      And an embalmed corpse that's been gone over by morticians to ensure it's presentable is any more "real"?

    2. Re:Funerals are already disconnected from reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good point. The visibility of death has been completely abstracted away. The most anybody sees now is the few minutes hospital staff barely allow before forcing you out of the room. What pisses me off more than the joke that funerals have become is how family is treated in a hospital. The basic grieving process is removed, as you're not even permitted any decent amount of time with the body. Your right to grieve no longer exists.

    3. Re:Funerals are already disconnected from reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't know, I've been to two funerals (well, there was a third, but I was so small I don't remember it), and out of those two, two of them have been open casket. The last one for my grandma, they had a picture of my grandpa in the casket with her, which was the third that I'm too young to remember. Honestly, the picture of my grandpa that I never really knew was probably the hardest to deal with out of all of them. But then again, maybe my family just does it differently than most with not trying to hide what happened.

    4. Re:Funerals are already disconnected from reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or having a wake, with the deceased in their casket, present in the house where people are gathered.

      Or burying family members in the family crypt in the castle basement, or on the family grounds. AFAIK, that's not permitted anymore in Western countries.

    5. Re:Funerals are already disconnected from reality by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      I don't know if it's different outside North America, but try to count the number of funerals you've been to

      8

      and then how many of those were open-casket.

      8

  11. Take It To The Next Level by Greyfox · · Score: 0

    And have GlaDOS preside over the funeral, cancelling the deceased's membership in the Being-Alive Club and talking about what a horrible person they were. Later on in the webcast she could serve cake and then release the neurotoxin.

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    1. Re:Take It To The Next Level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GlaDOS never serves cake, you liar.

  12. Webcast Funerals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When a webcast dies, it's only natural that one should hold a funeral for it.

    Whoever wrote this Slashdot headline, please punch yourself in the nuts.

  13. There are so many ways to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I just don't give a shit about who died.
    I already see how people have stopped calling each other to keep in touch and just follow Facebook updates, like they tell the real story about how people are doing.

  14. yogi berra's take is that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You should always go to other people's funerals; otherwise, they won't come to yours."

    1. Re:yogi berra's take is that by tresho · · Score: 1

      "You should always go to other people's funerals; otherwise, they won't come to yours."

      Among some cultures, if you don't go to people's funerals, they will (1) come back to haunt you or (2) their aggrieved relatives will put a curse on you. Still true in some parts of the good old USA.

  15. It's real enough already, thank you! by 6Yankee · · Score: 1

    My office building is next to the pathology department, and I can't go to lunch without seeing a hearse loading or unloading.

    1. Re:It's real enough already, thank you! by tresho · · Score: 1

      My office building is next to the pathology department, and I can't go to lunch without seeing a hearse loading or unloading.

      Don't be so morbid. That is just lunch getting delivered to the staff there.

    2. Re:It's real enough already, thank you! by 6Yankee · · Score: 1

      It did cross my mind when there was shepherd's pie on the menu last week...By the time I got there, though, they'd run out of shepherds.

  16. Frys with that? by dissy · · Score: 2

    I dunno, they need to up the lack of class if they ever hope to top drive through funerals

  17. What a surprise... by Rich0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A bunch of people who make their living off of dressing up dead bodies and charging people to view them is concerned about people not wanting to come see dead bodies in person. Of course, saying it that way would be crass, so we get a bunch of ramble about the grieving process and how important it is to see dead bodies in person as part of that.

    "To have death and mourning transferred online takes away that tangible proof. What is there to show us that death is real?"

    Maybe the fact that Aunt Tilly no longer calls/emails you once a week to check up? Do you really need to see a body to know somebody died.

    The real fear is that if showing up to an online funeral becomes popular, then people will start to question why they are spending so much money on dressing up dead bodies and propping them up for viewing. If everybody is just looking at an image of them anyway, why not just show a slideshow of photos of the deceased? And if you do that then you can dispense with the funeral services almost entirely. There might still be a gathering, but it could be anywhere. There might still be a religious service, but it might not include tens of thousands of dollars worth of embalming and equipment.

    1. Re:What a surprise... by umghhh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      embalming?

      Where I live they clean up, cloth up and bury the dead. Sometimes we go for a celebration with family and close friends. Burial house gets its share of money anyway. You can save on quality of coffin and some such. You still need a burial house to bury or otherwise process the remains. There is usually a place where some speeches are done and/or people can say g'd riddance to the dead - they can skip that too and save on it, while streaming burning of remains (direct from furnace for additional fee). From this perspective I do not see why would anybody in the industry worry about this - if at all, this is an opportunity for additional fees (e.g. camera in the furnace etc).

      I can hardly believe that sometimes too, but sometimes people have real concerns and do their job as well as they can. Maybe there are places where this is different and mostly driven by profit (Murica comes to mind) but I suspect, that this is a general human thing, so there are plenty of folks everywhere, that can combine profit drive with honesty, hard work and respect for others. This hardly applies to international companies and I would be hard pressed to name a corporation that does that (not at the levels above production floor).

    2. Re:What a surprise... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Maybe the fact that Aunt Tilly no longer calls/emails you once a week to check up? Do you really need to see a body to know somebody died.

      The real fear is that if showing up to an online funeral becomes popular, then people will start to question why they are spending so much money on dressing up dead bodies and propping them up for viewing.

      Pretty much this.

      I decided long ago that I was having neither a funeral or any service. Roast me, toast me, and find some way to lose the ashes.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    3. Re:What a surprise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I decided long ago that I was having neither a funeral or any service. Roast me, toast me, and find some way to lose the ashes.

      ^This.

      putting a corpse out on display in a box is just a fucked up, creepy thing to do. no thank you.

    4. Re:What a surprise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet you think you have a hard life graced with wit and insight. You'd be wrong.

    5. Re:What a surprise... by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      I decided long ago that I was having neither a funeral or any service. Roast me, toast me, and find some way to lose the ashes.

      My wife and I had the same discussion. Have the body disposed of in the cheapest way possible, and maybe plant a memorial tree in the backyard or something. If she feels the need to blow $20k in the process she can take the family to disney world or something.

    6. Re:What a surprise... by tresho · · Score: 1

      you can dispense with the funeral services almost entirely. There might still be a gathering, but it could be anywhere. There might still be a religious service, but it might not include tens of thousands of dollars worth of embalming and equipment.

      Cremation already gives families that option. Crematoriums often have options for viewing the body prior to cremation, probably for an extra charge. The cremated remains can be transported without special permits & methods of storage are up to the custodian of the ashes.

    7. Re:What a surprise... by tresho · · Score: 1

      I bet you think you have a hard life graced with wit and insight. You'd be wrong.

      I think I lead a valuable life. I don't care what you think about THAT.

  18. Amen. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1, Interesting

    They don't give one tenth of one shit about the grieving process. Some of them may have told themselves that to make themselves more comfortable sleeping on a gigantic bed stuffed with money. The mortuaries have managed to get themselves written into law and they're fighting tooth and nail to remain there. But ultimately, less of us believe in an afterlife than ever before, and thus we don't need a corpse present at a memorial. When I'm done, I'd like to have a tree stuck up my arse and be stuck head-down into the soil, thanks. Anyone who would like to remember me can do so in a drinking establishment.

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    1. Re:Amen. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      They don't give one tenth of one shit about the grieving process.

      I agree mostly, but apparently you can bypass the mortuary hokum - at least here - Only thing they'll do to me is toast my ass. Otherwise no embalming, no prettying me up (some jobs are beyond doing anyhow), no viewing or service. If I can just get my ashes hauled out with the trash, it will be even simpler.

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  19. Tom Sawyer Applications / Counterfeits by retroworks · · Score: 0

    How are we to know whether the funeral we are watching is genuine? Could it be counterfeit, rebroadcast, or pirated?

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    1. Re:Tom Sawyer Applications / Counterfeits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're at a funeral where the deceased has been cremated and all that sits up front is an urn with their ashes, how do you know it's actually THEIR ashes, and not some ashes from the funeral director's BBQ pit, or the ashes of an animal or some other person?

  20. What is there to show us that death is real? by plopez · · Score: 1

    Well... duh. That's what FPS are for.

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  21. Not surprising really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For most here, isn't it better that death be made as remote as possible? I mean why would we want to think about it anyway? And if we went to a funeral in person, what could we possibly say to the grieving that would really make a difference?

    1. Re:Not surprising really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I remember them, too."

      "Tell me about them."

    2. Re:Not surprising really by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Funerals aren't for the dead - they're for the living. Try giving the eulogy at your parents' funeral, with your sisters and your uncles and aunts there. You'll "get it."

      Just like the drunken party^Wwake afterwards is also for the living. 'Cuz it sure won't wake the dead, but it takes the edge off of people standing around like a bunch of stiffs, not knowing how to say how they feel.

      Me, I just want them to donate my body to science and go directly to the wake.

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    3. Re:Not surprising really by tresho · · Score: 1

      Funerals aren't for the dead - they're for the living. Try giving the eulogy at your parents' funeral, with your sisters and your uncles and aunts there. You'll "get it.".

      I agree about the purpose of funerals. I wrote my mother's obituary, stored her ashes at my home for a couple of days, transported them 500 miles to her town of origin, gave her eulogy at her funeral and actually buried her ashes in the same plot with 2 of her sisters, with my own two hands. A great many people reading this thread will just not "get it", and will never "get it" even after they die. Denial is not only a river in Egypt.

  22. Opinion and experience.... by Primate+Pete · · Score: 1

    We had a death in the family. An older person.

    The rest of the family was scattered across Europe, North America, and Asia. We had about 30 people at the ceremony in North America, and nearly as many watching by Skype from around the world. It was a good thing.

    You may or may not want this for yourself or your loved ones, but I cannot imagine why funeral directors-- craven, predatory businesses--would be entitled to an opinion on the subject. I'm also annoyed by the failure to recognize that many families and traditions cremate or otherwise dispose of the body, but of course this point exposes the argument about needing a body for the family to grieve properly as the nonsense it is.

    This just seems like another attempt by the funeral industry to exploit grief for proft, hoping to find a way to extract a few more dollars (maybe by renting larger rooms?) from people that have already been bilked out the cost of "deluxe" caskets.

    1. Re:Opinion and experience.... by AqD · · Score: 1

      I have been there several times. Nothing good I can tell.

      Funeral = Waste of time and money and it doesn't make me happy or give me anything positive in return.

  23. Facebook funerals - they are coooming... by iamacat · · Score: 1

    Soon - a special status column in your profile where you can enter living, deceased or 50 other statuses that Facebook reviewed with council of the undead. Then your friends can like the status change and view targeted advertisements for life-prolonging products.

  24. New Career Options by Primate+Pete · · Score: 2

    I'm pleased to hear about this, because I've been considering a career change. Nice to know there are some new options:

    DJ = Death Jockey -- provide color commentary

    Emcee - Mortician of Ceremonies ("Hi, I'm Ebeneezer Grimsuit, and this is "Good Mourning America....")

    ...it's a very slow day at the office.

  25. Already on YouTube by PPH · · Score: 2

    Most of them include the deceased's last words, "Hey! Watch this!"

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  26. Funerals aren't only about the dead. by Hussman32 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you go to a funeral, it's to comfort those who have lost a loved one; these people will often travel to make it. Sometimes they can't. If there is a way to pay your respects when you can't travel, then a webcast is better than hearing about it, at least you hear the eulogy and the next time you see the family you can at least talk about the service.

    One could argue we're taking away the personal aspect, but I doubt anyone who would have went to the funeral would skip it if the webcast were available. This is a good thing for those in bad times.

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  27. What next? by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 1

    What's next? Live Webcast funerals with live comments?

  28. And stop calling me Shirley! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real fear is that if showing up to an online funeral becomes popular, then people will start to question why they are spending so much money on dressing up dead bodies and propping them up for viewing.

    Lol!! Am I just imagining you typed that? Because surely you can't be serious.

  29. This might help by JohnFen · · Score: 1

    I hate attending funerals and only do it because I'm expected to. Would the existence of livestreaming allow me to skip the whole thing while claiming that I took part via the stream? If so, then I'm greatly in favor of it!

  30. new venture by brooksnwo · · Score: 1

    Deathflix.

  31. Don't let .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Westboro Baptist Church find out, they will never stop protesting..

  32. I have webcast several funerals by K8Fan · · Score: 1

    The first one was for my brother-in-law, who died of ALS. He was very close to one of his nieces, but she was in the Army in Germany, and they didn't consider the relationship close enough for leave. So she watched my webcast via Ustream. The interesting thing is that Ustream stores the webcast, and it has been watched more than 200 times. I suspect most of those views were my sister - and why not? Here is a recording of their family and friends talking about how much they loved the man she lost. In another case, a friend's husband died of a massive stroke. His wife and kids were in the Midwest, but his mom and the rest of his family was back east, and his mother was too old and ill to travel, so she watched the webcast.

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    1. Re:I have webcast several funerals by tresho · · Score: 1

      The first one was for my brother-in-law, who died of ALS. He was very close to one of his nieces, but she was in the Army in Germany, and they didn't consider the relationship close enough for leave. So she watched my webcast via Ustream. The interesting thing is that Ustream stores the webcast, and it has been watched more than 200 times. I suspect most of those views were my sister - and why not? Here is a recording of their family and friends talking about how much they loved the man she lost. In another case, a friend's husband died of a massive stroke. His wife and kids were in the Midwest, but his mom and the rest of his family was back east, and his mother was too old and ill to travel, so she watched the webcast.

      What would keep friends & family of the deceased from doing the same, using their own skills & equipment? A broadband internet connection at the site of the funeral, decent lighting. decent miking, & a few 110VAC outlets would be enough, IIRC.

  33. Answer a question, mmell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's it like getting your ass kicked by apk + downmodding to hide it 20x http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... ?