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Dr. Dobb's 38-Year Run Comes To an End

An anonymous reader writes: Dr. Dobb's — long time icon of programming magazines — "sunsets" at the end of the year. Editor Andrew Binstock says despite growing traffic numbers, the decline in revenue from ads means there will be no new content posted after 2014 ends. (The site will stay up for at least a year, hopefully longer.) Younger people may not care, but for the hard core old guys, it marks the end of a world where broad knowledge of computers and being willing to create solutions instead of reuse them was valuable. Binstock might disagree; he said, "As our page views show, the need for an independent site with in-depth articles, code, algorithms, and reliable product reviews is still very much present. And I will dearly miss that content. I wish I could point you to another site that does similar work, but alas, I know of none."

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  1. Pretty sad by mingot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Loved it growing up. I learned a lot from the al stevens run of articles where he built a terminal program.

    1. Re:Pretty sad by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I was a subscriber back in the day. Sad to see it going, but it's not too surprising, given modern trends.

      I have to admit, though, the content was a bit on the broad side to be really useful to me, since my focus was mostly on client-side application programming in C++ (I wanted to become a videogame programmer). I was still a student then, so about 90% of the content flew right over my head. As such, I found the C/C++ User's Journal more relevant. Even so, I enjoyed reading it and trying to figure out what they were talking about. Eventually, only about 75% went over my head, so I think I learned a few things, although I still couldn't write a database query to save my life.

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    2. Re:Pretty sad by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's kind of the problem and why I dropped subscription a while back. The explosion of computing and computing jobs means that their target audience is wildly diverse and I found maybe one article in a year would touch on a subject or topic that was remotely applicable to me, and it wasn't paying out.

    3. Re: Pretty sad by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      hrm, for me it was the wildly obscure articles that I thought expanded my horizons the most. I had other subscriptions (e.g. WebTechniques, JDJ) for narrow-focus learning.

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    4. Re:Pretty sad by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Or the modern trend of obsolescence of old media formats.

      The simple fact of the matter is that Dr. Dobbs and similar magazines really aren't as relevant in the modern world, and that's why they're being mothballed. They've been replaced by a number of things. Online technical resources are increasingly abundant, and are often more than sufficient to learn about any topic you desire. Nearly every question I have as a professional programmer has likely already been asked and answered, often in considerable detail, on sites such as stack overflow. Various how-to topics are explored on both personal and professional blogs or other programmer-focused sites, and everything is nicely indexed and immediately accessible through the magic of Google search.

      The simple fact that Google rarely points to Dr Dobbs' site about things I search for (maybe your searches are different) tends to highlight its increasing irrelevance. As much as I enjoyed reading it a few decades ago, it's time to move on. The world has changed, and some things inevitably get left behind.

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  2. It is an end of a era... by ndykman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can't think of any one source that had the breadth and depth of Dr. Dobb's. Always look forward to when it came in the mail back in the day, because I knew that I'd always would learn something.

    Seriously, I hope they can find funding or start a project to ensure their archive exists and is available to all. It'd be a unique contribution to computing history.

  3. Offline archive? by raddan · · Score: 3

    Anyone know if there's going to be an offline archive?

    1. Re:Offline archive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      They sell a DVD with the 1988-2009 archives on the site. Maybe there will be a last update.
      https://store.drdobbs.com

    2. Re:Offline archive? by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I ordered the current DVD up to 2009, so I have at least some of the articles. I still occasionally go back to old articles because a lot of the software I do hasn't changed much in decades. (Unix and embedded)

      Several years ago I ordered the CD collection of Small C articles, and found it pretty useful for grasping the essentials of compiler design. Even if the information is decades old, it was still relevant for the fundamentals of how C compiling and linking works. (at least on Unix/Linux, which is based on decades old designs)

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  4. Re:Time to mourn another passing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    First the print magazines died, and now even the websites are dying. They said they had over 10 million page views last year. If only there was a simple, unhackable micro-payment system that could have delivered them 2 cents a page view they would have plenty of money for the content and delivery. Google should have delivered this years ago because they already have all the google stats on every page. You would just have to depost $10 or $20 to your account, then each click would show the cost and balance remaining. It could work on almost all websites. I guess everyone is waiting for Apple to come up with a solution. But their solution would end up being $1 per page view with 20 cents going to Apple. Just like their overpriced movies.

  5. Hardly (and sadly) not a unique tale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There were some truly excellent magazines way back in the 70's and 80's. We had BYTE to set the standard, with excellent publications like Dr Dobbs, Computer Language, and even Nibble.

    As the PC arose, however, magazine after magazine seems to have been taken over by jerks at places like CMP who drained them of all their meaty technical content, flushed all non-PC-compatible content, and in some cases tried to convert them into industry rags. Younger computer users do not have that same joy of getting a monthly magazine with articles loaded with code and/or schematics and parts lists or (in the case of computer language) coverage of some new computer language that has some interesting featrures and might be just the right fit for some new project. The publications are sadly a case study in how hired-gun "interchangeable" CEOs with too many MBAs and no common sense or technical backgrounds can ruin a good institution. One would have thought the spectacular lessons of Scully at Apple (or Fiorina at HP) would have put an end to such screwups acress the entire computer industry...

    Dr Dobb's Journal of Computing Calisthenics and orthodontia running light without overbyte was among the very best, and you just cannot precisely reproduce that (or a half-inch thick issue of BYTE (from before about 1985)) with a web page...

    1. Re:Hardly (and sadly) not a unique tale by uassholes · · Score: 2

      Every word of your comment is right on. Not many here will understand that, and that's why DDJ is going.

  6. Former subscriber by jgotts · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was a subscriber for a few years but I found their content to be too Windows-centric so I quit.

    It's sad to see them go but as a full-time programmer I haven't cracked a single book or magazine related to programming in over a year. My extensive library collects extensive dust.

  7. I guess we're just left with stack overflow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Back in my day, we had to read books and articles to understand some of the current trends. You had to get some serious depth.

    These days, a lot of it is google leading to stack overflow for a quick pattern match of a fix.

    But at least it means the good (those with real understanding and real depth) will look different than those that build a career out of quick-n-dirty stack overflow searches.

    Note that I find stack overflow an amazing resource, however, when I ask current gen "unix-heads" how to do something and they google for a stack-overflow page vs doing "man bash" means the associated concepts were completely missed.

  8. One of the cornerstones by Snotnose · · Score: 2

    Back in the day Dr Dobbs, Byte, Embedded Systems Journal, and Computer Languages were the 4 I read every month.

    1. Re:One of the cornerstones by Smerta · · Score: 4, Informative

      You guys know about sites like Computer Magazine Archive and Classic Computer Magazine Archive, right?

      (Got my start on Atari 800 w/ the 6502, never looked back... yes, I do have a lawn that I regularly chase kids away from!)

  9. Re:Why do people kill instead of scale back? by iggymanz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    those don't pay steady salaries

  10. Sunset Dr. Dobbs by smittyoneeach · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sunset Dr. Dobbs
    Ye nattering nabobs
    Who'd prefer cleanshaven
    Java refactoring jobs
    Burma Shave

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  11. When nearly all of your readers block ads... by swillden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When nearly all of your readers block ads, it's tough to make it as an ad-supported site.

    (Yes, I have AdBlockPlus installed, too.)

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    1. Re:When nearly all of your readers block ads... by bzipitidoo · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, don't make the ads so obnoxious. I wouldn't block them if advertisers wouldn't pig out on my resources and force me to turn off the sound so I'm not embarrassed or distracted by some loud jingle, with blinking text, frenetic animation, and a flashing background. When ads take more than 5% of my bandwidth, RAM, and CPU, and make my browser unstable, I do something about it. If I have to reposition windows to hide obnoxiously distracting animation, I'll block it. IF it's not easy to block, I'll quit visiting the website.

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  12. Reason: drop in value of advertising revenue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    From the article: ...
    Despite our excellent growth on the editorial side, our revenue declined such that today it's barely 30% of what it was when I started. While some of this drop is undoubtedly due to turnover in our sales staff, even if the staff had been stable and executed perfectly, revenue would be much the same and future prospects would surely point to upcoming losses. This is because in the last 18 months, there has been a marked shift in how vendors value website advertising. They've come to realize that website ads tend to be less effective than they once were. Given that I've never bought a single item by clicking on an ad on a website, this conclusion seems correct in the small. ...

    Makes you wonder how other websites that depend on ad revenue are surviving.

    1. Re:Reason: drop in value of advertising revenue by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wrong premise. Click-throughs were always dubious, and a silly way to measure the impact of an ad. When was the last time you bought something through a movie poster or billboard?

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  13. hrmf... by hitmark · · Score: 4, Informative

    seems to be the pattern of media in general these days...

    Deep articles are going the way of the dodo. Not enough ad impressions etc on those as they appeal to a narrow audience.

    Shallow product "reviews" and flame baiting on the other hand...

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  14. Re:Time to mourn another passing... by bugs2squash · · Score: 2

    I don't see why Amazon could not do micropayments. One could access content via Amazon's web site, they could lend you, say, $5 when you enroll and when your usage adds up to $5 they bill your payment card, and they bill your payment card anyway at the end of the year. If you become a bad debt they pass the risk on to their content providers. Amazon takes a cut of the micropayment on each transaction.

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  15. I know one.... by Prien715 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "I wish I could point you to another site that does similar work, but alas, I know of none."

    You mean you haven't read Bennett's high-quality journalism?

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  16. From a C++ perspective, writing was on the wall by hermitdev · · Score: 2

    From a C++ perspective, the only lately useful articles are from Andrew Koenig, but how the release of the articles is done has pissed me off so much I removed it from my feeds. His most recent article series, is at part 9: Abstractions for Binary Search. How about write an article that can be released in a single piece and consumed as such. Trying to consume parts of something every few weeks is an ineffective learning tool. There doesn't seem to be any more single articles. The interesting ones are broken up into multiple parts released every week or two. FUCK THAT. Give me an article that I can read, start to finish. Don't make me come back next week. I'm a developer. I'm already being torn six ways to sundown by various issues, I don't need a publication compounding that. Give me single, solitary articles that have all the content in a single page and I'm happy (it also makes the googling easier).

  17. Re:Oh yeah, he was a orthodontist by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

    I rarely max out my AMD quad-core processor and/or 4GB memory. I don't have any software that can smoother the hardware.

    Bwahahahaha!

    Sincerely,
    A professional videogame programmer

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    Kidding aside... For most types of applications on the desktop (e.g. business apps that spend most of their time querying a remote database), you can get away with suboptimal code, because programmer efficiency and maintainable code is more important than code efficiency. That's not necessarily a sign of shoddy engineering, although poorly optimized code for no good reason certainly might be. Over-optimizing code where you don't need it can also be highly problematic as well. Even as a C++ programmer, I still prefer to write my game tools in C# whenever possible.

    That being said, there are still plenty of specialized applications that demand top performance. Videogames, scientific computing, highly scalable server applications (efficiency = cost savings), and so on. We're also scaling down our computers as well, where you don't have the crazy power you have on the desktop. Examples include smart phones and even smart watches, where run-time efficiency translates directly to improved battery life.

    So, sometimes efficiency matters a great deal, and sometimes it doesn't. A good programmer knows when each is appropriate and their tradeoffs, and uses the correct tools for the job at hand.

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  18. Re:Why do people kill instead of scale back? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

    The problem is that the costs outweigh the revenue. Reducing costs in a way that also reduces revenue is probably not a good solution.

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