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In Breakthrough, US and Cuba To Resume Diplomatic Relations

HughPickens.com writes: Peter Baker reports at the NYT that in a deal negotiated during 18 months of secret talks hosted largely by Canada and encouraged by Pope Francis, the United States will restore full diplomatic relations with Cuba and open an embassy in Havana for the first time in more than a half-century. In addition, the United States will ease restrictions on remittances, travel and banking relations, and Cuba will release 53 Cuban prisoners identified as political prisoners by the United States government. Although the decades-old American embargo on Cuba will remain in place for now, the administration signaled that it would welcome a move by Congress to ease or lift it should lawmakers choose to. "We cannot keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. It does not serve America's interests, or the Cuban people, to try to push Cuba toward collapse. We know from hard-learned experience that it is better to encourage and support reform than to impose policies that will render a country a failed state," said the White House in a written statement. "The United States is taking historic steps to chart a new course in our relations with Cuba and to further engage and empower the Cuban people."

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  1. About Fucking Time by PvtVoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Long overdue. Time for cigars and mojitos all around!

    1. Re:About Fucking Time by Mariner28 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps two failed wars in the MidEast, and what used to be known as the Global War On Terror (GWOT), the US Administration has finally realized that a carrot is better than a stick? Now if we can just convince Congress and its Florida faction...

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    2. Re:About Fucking Time by Stargoat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For years, the only thing this served was to try to get votes in Florida. And even then, I do not know how much good that did.

      Either Obama has written off the Cuban vote in Miami or he has decided to concede FLA to the GOP. Either way, Obama has finally done something right.

      Opening up relations with Cuba makes too much financial sense for pride or antiquated ideas of anticommunism to get in the way.

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    3. Re:About Fucking Time by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He is not losing that many votes. These Cuban Americans are captive to GOP. High time Democrats stop pursuing the vote they are never going to get. Might as well play to the base and show America what happens if both parties start appeasing their base.

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    4. Re:About Fucking Time by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Might as well play to the base and show America what happens if both parties start appeasing their base.

      The vast majority of Americans that aren't partisan asshats get whacked in the head every 2/4/6 years as pendulum swings back and forth?

      Hooray for Gerrymandering and first past the post!

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    5. Re:About Fucking Time by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And, at this point, with two years left in his term as a lame duck, he cares about the votes he'll get because .... why?

    6. Re:About Fucking Time by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      FInally?
      Everything is better by any measure.
      To quote Chris Rock:
      Only President Obama could get gas to $2.50, end 2 wars, get bin Laden, bring unemployment below 8%, then be told he's failing as president.

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    7. Re:About Fucking Time by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I doubt the US administration "realized" anything.

      Very likely a conglomerate of US companies sees business opportunities and is pulling strings behind the scene.

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    8. Re:About Fucking Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is just another scheme to put pressure on Cuba's traditional friend - Russia. US is hitting just about everyone friendly to Russia nowdays: Siria, Ukraine, ... Cuba. It's all about isolating/weakening Russia with goal of securing Russia's wealth of natural resources for greedy US corporations. Make no mistake, this is about nothing less than money and power, and has nothing to do with the fact that it may be long overdue.

    9. Re:About Fucking Time by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Cuban cigars are desired because they're good.

      [citation needed]. Outside of the 'neat' factor of buying a cuban cigar, there are equally good makers in other countries.

      How about the fact that the primary magazine dedicated to cigars has an entire wing of their site dedicated to Cuba?
      http://www.cigaraficionado.com...

      Go check out their reviews...Most of the top reviewed were either made in Cuba, or by Cubans in exile in the US. Clearly they're doing something right.

    10. Re:About Fucking Time by dywolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A couple of airstrikes in Libya counts as a war now?
      The 60s also notably lacked a crushing recession; you're comparing a time of economic prosperity to a time of recession recovery.

      And oh yay. More jobs numbers nonsense. But hey, since were comparing economic apples to oranges, lets note that in the 60s the "real" unemployment rate was >40%, since most families weren't dual income and as a result overall labor participiation was far lower, and those wives "would have been working if they werent at home raising babies". That totally proves my point about how your point is nonsense...right? Or maybe we should just stick to the existing definitions of unemployment, which means accepting that the rate is below 8% (actually much lower), but has the drawback of you dont get to bash the POTUS with made up numbers drawn from thin air that include "people who would be working if they werent in college".

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    11. Re:About Fucking Time by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Of course, the question then becomes: "what did Obama have to do with any of those things?"

      He got us out of Iraq on Bush's timetable, ditto Afghanistan. Never mind that we never got completely out of either country, and are now fighting in both again.

      bin Laden, he got. Not that I've ever cared about him. He wasn't even as good a symbol as Hitler or Tojo, and "getting" either of them wouldn't have made a difference either.

      The economic stuff? He had no more influence on that then Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Truman, etc had on that sort of thing....

      Give a President credit where it is due. But don't credit him with everything that happens on his watch. Most of what happens he's neither to blame for, nor due any credit for.

      Ditto Congress.

      Alas, all too many people assign blame and credit to the government based on nothing more than "it happened while XXX was in office"....

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    12. Re:About Fucking Time by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A couple of airstrikes in Libya counts as a war now?

      Yes. Dropping bombs on a sovereign nation is considered an Act of War under any definition of the phrase. Bonus points for not being bothered to get Congressional approval for the measure.

      But hey, since were comparing economic apples to oranges, lets note that in the 60s the "real" unemployment rate was >40%, since most families weren't dual income and as a result overall labor participiation was far lower

      There are a multitude of different "real" unemployment rates that one can quote; I've never heard of one that includes people who willingly decline to participate in the workforce (i.e., students and homemakers) The traditional definition includes people who desire work but whom have abandoned all hope of finding it. In any case, if you actually believe the <8% number I have a bridge in the Sahara that you might be interested in...

      If Obama cured cancer, they would blame him for putting doctors out of work.

      Just so you know, I'm not one of "them." I had very high hopes for BHO, voted for him in 2008 (primary and general), and even campaigned for him against HRC in the primaries. It would require thousands of words to tell you all the reasons why I'm disappointed with him; rather than subject you to that I'll just say that my biggest takeaway from BHO was the loss of all optimism towards politics with resulting massive increase in my cynicism level.

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    13. Re:About Fucking Time by mythosaz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...the "mostly by Cubans in exile" is the important part.

      As someone who occasionally orders Cuban cigars from the Swiss, I can tell you that they're simply not any better than the same cigar from the same company from their Dominican or Nicaraguan plants. ...especially since the same seeds grew the tobacco. Cigar Aficionado likes to perpetuate the mystique. They benefit from it.

    14. Re:About Fucking Time by StevenMaurer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While starting completely new ones. Hooray!

      Indeed, Hooray! (I'm glad you get it - so few kneejerk anti-American morons do.) The US is at its best when it is saving innocent people, like Libyans and Yhazdis, from genocide. It returns us to what is best about this country.

      *cough* bullshit *cough*

      Yes indeed! Your quote IS bullshit! I'm glad you noticed! You can't claim a policy failed by arbitrarily changing the yardstick. We've never measured by U6. No time to start now.

      Hooray though, we added 300,000 jobs in the last quarter. The economy did that in most years of the 1960s, when the population of the United States was significantly less than today. Success!

      Yet again, you are completely correct! This is an amazing Success! The economy in the 1960s was aided by the fact that most of the rest of the world was still recovering from WW2, and half of it was under the ideological sway of Communist regimes fundamentally opposed to economic reality. Further, the U.S. had many more controls in place in those days to reduce economic inequality, since people still had a long memory of what Republicans did to cause the Great Depression. Tax rates on corporations in the 1960s reached as high as 90%, with fewer loopholes. This allowed many states to give a free college education to anyone who had the grades to get accepted, no matter what their economic background. All which provided massive demand for U.S. employment.

      Alas, we ended all that. Self-defeating "trickle-down" is now more or less a religion (except Jesus and his miracles can't be actually disproven, like all these bullshit Republican economic theories have), so now we're stuck with people voting in Republicans on grandiose promises that this-time-it'll-work-for-sure, the inevitable economic crash, Democrats voted in to fix it, and then Republicans again to punish the Democrats for fixing the Republican mess, because this-time-it'll-work-for-sure.

    15. Re:About Fucking Time by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If gas was this low under a Republican president I could guarantee you that the party faithful would be giving the president full credit.

      The general rules of thumb are:

      good things happen while our guy is on watch: it's due to his hard work and leadership
      bad things happen while our guy is on watch: caused by previous administration's policies
      good things happen while the other guy is on watch: caused by an earlier administration's policies
      bad things happen while the other guy is on watch: worst president of all time!

  2. Visit to Havana by fhic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Great! I've always wanted to visit Cuba. My parents honeymooned there back in 1955. A trip to Havana has been on my bucket list since I was a boy, but the US government has always made it difficult and only questionably legal since I was born.

  3. Re:I wonder if... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cuban exiles are a big voting block in a big battleground state, , but obviously somebody decided to risk kicking this hornets' nest ...

    The Cuban Exiles have never voted Democrat / Liberal, and have always been rabid right-wingers politically. I lived in Miami for a few years and learned that although certainly not a majority on the area, they are very vocal locally.

    These people would never vote Democrat anyway, so they are not Obama's audience.

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  4. Re:I wonder if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The 'older' exiled Cubans in America were never going to 'authorize' this. That Obama did, was, aside from the true purpose of stopping the absurdity that has been in place, a play to the youner generation of Cuban exiles that are in Florida and elsewhere that are of voting age. They're the ones this will affect in the coming generation, and not the ones who will die off in the next decade.

    Politically, anyone who is damning this decision is an isolationist shill who prefers punishment, rather than progress. THAT, is 20th century thinking, and needs to be squashed hard and fast!

  5. Crap by XB-70 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is both a blessing and a curse. The blessing is that the wonderful Cuban people desperately need medicine, goods and services that are in deplorably short supply.

    The curse is that a small few are about to make huge profits on land and state enterprises. I don't care how the laws will be worded, any time you have a major economic shift like this, opportunists will take incredible advantage of the situation.

    The other curse is that Western 'culture' - McDonald's, Burger King, Coke and Pepsi will invade. They will do tremendous harm to the health of the average Cuban.

    Lastly, the wonderful beaches and hotels will be overrun. Cuba is so close to the U.S. that development will explode and tourism will skyrocket. The 'pristine' aspect of Cuba will quickly disappear in a morass of tawdry tourist traps.

    Adios Cuba viejo y bienvenido al futuro.

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  6. Re:Why not push toward collapse? by preaction · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pushing Germany to collapse after WW1 was an incredible success! We need more successes like that!

  7. Re:Failed state policies by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > I hope 'no one starving in the streets' isn't how you measure success these days.
    Actually it's a pretty good thing compared to 'people starving in the streets'.

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  8. Re:Why not push toward collapse? by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What do you mean? The country was then conquered within months by us. Saddam Hussein himself was then captured, tried publicly, and executed deservingly.

    My god, are you that delusional?

    You toppled a government, but you sure as hell didn't "conquer" them.

    You barely got out of there with your asses intact, and every single justification for going in there in the first place was provably false before anybody got sent in. Oh, and your inept fumbling about led to the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians -- far far more than were killed in 9/11.

    The entire reason for being in Iraq the second time was a colossal lie perpetuated by a chimpanzee of a president trying to finish what daddy started.

    You were in the wrong fucking country, because Iraq had nothing at all to do with 9/11. And now you've left a giant power vacuum which has destabilized the entire region.

    Being in Iraq was such an epic failure that only people who can call it a success were the private companies who made huge profits, and the lying bastards who got you in there in the first place.

    If you think that's a template for how to fix the worlds problems ... the world doesn't want any more of your "help".

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  9. Re:Failed state policies by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cuba's failures have nothing to do with Cuba seizing and redistributing the property of its people.

    The property which was seized was mostly owned by foreign countries, and benefited the existing dictatorship of Bautista -- who was a brutal bastard, but friendly to the US so America was fine with it. America only objects to dictators who dislike them.

    When Baustista was in power, the average Cuban worker was pretty much a serf, and all of the economy benefited only a few.

    I'm glad you are keeping up with the DNC memo's and talking points.

    You're a drooling idiot.

    I'm not an American, and I have no idea of what the DNCs talking points are on this. But your childish little hamster brain apparently needs to make this a Republican v Democrat issue, so you're only capable of seeing thatg.

    I've been to Cuba a bunch of times. I've read books my Castro and Che, as well as the history of how the Platt Amendment came to be foisted on Cuba despite their not wanting it. I've also read about the history from non-Cuban sources so try to see the whole picture.

    The vast majority of Americans really have no clue about Cuban history. They boil it down to about a 10 year period, and then haven't bothered to learn anything which happened before or since. Cuba and Casto are just the bogeymen to get yourselves worked up about.

    So, it's tragic you're so ill informed and are tied to whatever idiotic talking points you're repeating.

    Because clearly don't know a damned thing about it you haven't been spoon fed.

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  10. Re:I wonder if... by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The abortion is a distraction cause.
    Most people have a feeling one way or another on it. Which is good because it means you can keep a good part of the population who otherwise would vote for the other party on your side.

    Many of the evangelical religious groups would actually support the democratic party if it weren't for the abortion issue.

    A lot of women's groups would vote republican if it weren't for the abortion issue.

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  11. Re:a riveting diplomatic exchange no doubt.. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, he got succeeded by his brother. Wonder what is it about Commie countries nowadays? They started off by overthrowing monarchies wherever they could find them - Russia, Egypt, Libya, and so on. Nowadays, every surviving Communist country has de facto dynasties - North Korea, Cuba, Syria. If only the Romanovs had known and maneuvered to take over the Communist party, they may have saved themselves from getting massacred.

    George H. W. Bush, George Bush, and now Jeb Bush trying for the job. No de facto dynasty there :-)

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