Slashdot Mirror


In Breakthrough, US and Cuba To Resume Diplomatic Relations

HughPickens.com writes: Peter Baker reports at the NYT that in a deal negotiated during 18 months of secret talks hosted largely by Canada and encouraged by Pope Francis, the United States will restore full diplomatic relations with Cuba and open an embassy in Havana for the first time in more than a half-century. In addition, the United States will ease restrictions on remittances, travel and banking relations, and Cuba will release 53 Cuban prisoners identified as political prisoners by the United States government. Although the decades-old American embargo on Cuba will remain in place for now, the administration signaled that it would welcome a move by Congress to ease or lift it should lawmakers choose to. "We cannot keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. It does not serve America's interests, or the Cuban people, to try to push Cuba toward collapse. We know from hard-learned experience that it is better to encourage and support reform than to impose policies that will render a country a failed state," said the White House in a written statement. "The United States is taking historic steps to chart a new course in our relations with Cuba and to further engage and empower the Cuban people."

17 of 435 comments (clear)

  1. About Fucking Time by PvtVoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Long overdue. Time for cigars and mojitos all around!

    1. Re:About Fucking Time by Stargoat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For years, the only thing this served was to try to get votes in Florida. And even then, I do not know how much good that did.

      Either Obama has written off the Cuban vote in Miami or he has decided to concede FLA to the GOP. Either way, Obama has finally done something right.

      Opening up relations with Cuba makes too much financial sense for pride or antiquated ideas of anticommunism to get in the way.

      --
      Hoist Number One and Number Six.
    2. Re:About Fucking Time by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He is not losing that many votes. These Cuban Americans are captive to GOP. High time Democrats stop pursuing the vote they are never going to get. Might as well play to the base and show America what happens if both parties start appeasing their base.

      --
      sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
    3. Re:About Fucking Time by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Might as well play to the base and show America what happens if both parties start appeasing their base.

      The vast majority of Americans that aren't partisan asshats get whacked in the head every 2/4/6 years as pendulum swings back and forth?

      Hooray for Gerrymandering and first past the post!

      --
      I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    4. Re:About Fucking Time by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And, at this point, with two years left in his term as a lame duck, he cares about the votes he'll get because .... why?

    5. Re:About Fucking Time by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      FInally?
      Everything is better by any measure.
      To quote Chris Rock:
      Only President Obama could get gas to $2.50, end 2 wars, get bin Laden, bring unemployment below 8%, then be told he's failing as president.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    6. Re:About Fucking Time by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I doubt the US administration "realized" anything.

      Very likely a conglomerate of US companies sees business opportunities and is pulling strings behind the scene.

      --
      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    7. Re:About Fucking Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is just another scheme to put pressure on Cuba's traditional friend - Russia. US is hitting just about everyone friendly to Russia nowdays: Siria, Ukraine, ... Cuba. It's all about isolating/weakening Russia with goal of securing Russia's wealth of natural resources for greedy US corporations. Make no mistake, this is about nothing less than money and power, and has nothing to do with the fact that it may be long overdue.

    8. Re:About Fucking Time by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Cuban cigars are desired because they're good.

      [citation needed]. Outside of the 'neat' factor of buying a cuban cigar, there are equally good makers in other countries.

      How about the fact that the primary magazine dedicated to cigars has an entire wing of their site dedicated to Cuba?
      http://www.cigaraficionado.com...

      Go check out their reviews...Most of the top reviewed were either made in Cuba, or by Cubans in exile in the US. Clearly they're doing something right.

    9. Re:About Fucking Time by StevenMaurer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While starting completely new ones. Hooray!

      Indeed, Hooray! (I'm glad you get it - so few kneejerk anti-American morons do.) The US is at its best when it is saving innocent people, like Libyans and Yhazdis, from genocide. It returns us to what is best about this country.

      *cough* bullshit *cough*

      Yes indeed! Your quote IS bullshit! I'm glad you noticed! You can't claim a policy failed by arbitrarily changing the yardstick. We've never measured by U6. No time to start now.

      Hooray though, we added 300,000 jobs in the last quarter. The economy did that in most years of the 1960s, when the population of the United States was significantly less than today. Success!

      Yet again, you are completely correct! This is an amazing Success! The economy in the 1960s was aided by the fact that most of the rest of the world was still recovering from WW2, and half of it was under the ideological sway of Communist regimes fundamentally opposed to economic reality. Further, the U.S. had many more controls in place in those days to reduce economic inequality, since people still had a long memory of what Republicans did to cause the Great Depression. Tax rates on corporations in the 1960s reached as high as 90%, with fewer loopholes. This allowed many states to give a free college education to anyone who had the grades to get accepted, no matter what their economic background. All which provided massive demand for U.S. employment.

      Alas, we ended all that. Self-defeating "trickle-down" is now more or less a religion (except Jesus and his miracles can't be actually disproven, like all these bullshit Republican economic theories have), so now we're stuck with people voting in Republicans on grandiose promises that this-time-it'll-work-for-sure, the inevitable economic crash, Democrats voted in to fix it, and then Republicans again to punish the Democrats for fixing the Republican mess, because this-time-it'll-work-for-sure.

    10. Re:About Fucking Time by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If gas was this low under a Republican president I could guarantee you that the party faithful would be giving the president full credit.

      The general rules of thumb are:

      good things happen while our guy is on watch: it's due to his hard work and leadership
      bad things happen while our guy is on watch: caused by previous administration's policies
      good things happen while the other guy is on watch: caused by an earlier administration's policies
      bad things happen while the other guy is on watch: worst president of all time!

  2. Re:I wonder if... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cuban exiles are a big voting block in a big battleground state, , but obviously somebody decided to risk kicking this hornets' nest ...

    The Cuban Exiles have never voted Democrat / Liberal, and have always been rabid right-wingers politically. I lived in Miami for a few years and learned that although certainly not a majority on the area, they are very vocal locally.

    These people would never vote Democrat anyway, so they are not Obama's audience.

    --
    If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
  3. Crap by XB-70 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is both a blessing and a curse. The blessing is that the wonderful Cuban people desperately need medicine, goods and services that are in deplorably short supply.

    The curse is that a small few are about to make huge profits on land and state enterprises. I don't care how the laws will be worded, any time you have a major economic shift like this, opportunists will take incredible advantage of the situation.

    The other curse is that Western 'culture' - McDonald's, Burger King, Coke and Pepsi will invade. They will do tremendous harm to the health of the average Cuban.

    Lastly, the wonderful beaches and hotels will be overrun. Cuba is so close to the U.S. that development will explode and tourism will skyrocket. The 'pristine' aspect of Cuba will quickly disappear in a morass of tawdry tourist traps.

    Adios Cuba viejo y bienvenido al futuro.

    --
    *** Don't be dull.***
  4. Re:Why not push toward collapse? by preaction · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pushing Germany to collapse after WW1 was an incredible success! We need more successes like that!

  5. Re:Why not push toward collapse? by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What do you mean? The country was then conquered within months by us. Saddam Hussein himself was then captured, tried publicly, and executed deservingly.

    My god, are you that delusional?

    You toppled a government, but you sure as hell didn't "conquer" them.

    You barely got out of there with your asses intact, and every single justification for going in there in the first place was provably false before anybody got sent in. Oh, and your inept fumbling about led to the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians -- far far more than were killed in 9/11.

    The entire reason for being in Iraq the second time was a colossal lie perpetuated by a chimpanzee of a president trying to finish what daddy started.

    You were in the wrong fucking country, because Iraq had nothing at all to do with 9/11. And now you've left a giant power vacuum which has destabilized the entire region.

    Being in Iraq was such an epic failure that only people who can call it a success were the private companies who made huge profits, and the lying bastards who got you in there in the first place.

    If you think that's a template for how to fix the worlds problems ... the world doesn't want any more of your "help".

    --
    Lost at C:>. Found at C.
  6. Re:Failed state policies by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cuba's failures have nothing to do with Cuba seizing and redistributing the property of its people.

    The property which was seized was mostly owned by foreign countries, and benefited the existing dictatorship of Bautista -- who was a brutal bastard, but friendly to the US so America was fine with it. America only objects to dictators who dislike them.

    When Baustista was in power, the average Cuban worker was pretty much a serf, and all of the economy benefited only a few.

    I'm glad you are keeping up with the DNC memo's and talking points.

    You're a drooling idiot.

    I'm not an American, and I have no idea of what the DNCs talking points are on this. But your childish little hamster brain apparently needs to make this a Republican v Democrat issue, so you're only capable of seeing thatg.

    I've been to Cuba a bunch of times. I've read books my Castro and Che, as well as the history of how the Platt Amendment came to be foisted on Cuba despite their not wanting it. I've also read about the history from non-Cuban sources so try to see the whole picture.

    The vast majority of Americans really have no clue about Cuban history. They boil it down to about a 10 year period, and then haven't bothered to learn anything which happened before or since. Cuba and Casto are just the bogeymen to get yourselves worked up about.

    So, it's tragic you're so ill informed and are tied to whatever idiotic talking points you're repeating.

    Because clearly don't know a damned thing about it you haven't been spoon fed.

    --
    Lost at C:>. Found at C.
  7. Re:a riveting diplomatic exchange no doubt.. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, he got succeeded by his brother. Wonder what is it about Commie countries nowadays? They started off by overthrowing monarchies wherever they could find them - Russia, Egypt, Libya, and so on. Nowadays, every surviving Communist country has de facto dynasties - North Korea, Cuba, Syria. If only the Romanovs had known and maneuvered to take over the Communist party, they may have saved themselves from getting massacred.

    George H. W. Bush, George Bush, and now Jeb Bush trying for the job. No de facto dynasty there :-)

    --
    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.