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Hackers' Shutdown of 'The Interview' Confirms Coding Is a Superpower
theodp writes: The idea of programming as a superpower was touched upon by CS teacher Alfred Thompson back in 2010, but it became a rallying call of sorts for the Hour of Code after Dropbox CEO Drew Houston described coding as "the closest thing we have to a superpower" in a Code.org video that went viral. And if the kids who learned to code with the President last week were dubious about the power of coding, this week's decision by Sony to scrap the release of the satirical film The Interview after a massive hack attack should put aside any doubts, especially after new revelations that Sony had reached out to the White House for help and screened the film for administration officials back in June. White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Thursday that the Obama Administration is viewing the Sony attack as a "serious national security matter" and is considering a range of possible options as a response, which could turn things into a contest of U.S. Superpower vs. Coding Superpower. In case it wasn't mentioned last week, remember to always use your coding superpower for good, kids!
"Coding" had nothing to do with theaters dropping the movie. What made them drop the movie was a terrorist threat that spoked a bunch of bean counters.
Isn't money the "superpower" we have?, well, i don't have any, but still
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Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
By hacking/cracking Sony and releasing some documents on a poorly secured network that have NO possible security or safety ramifications on the populace, they have shown the stupidity that is oozing out of the media, people, and government.
Super power my ass.
When the hacker can go in and shut down the US military - like stop it from firing a cruise missile or leave ships dead in the water - THEN I will consider it a military threat.
Until then, actions like these are nothing but vandalism.
Planning combined with criminal abilities and the intent to apply them are a super (villainous) power. The fact they used cracking abilities as part of it is about as relevant as saying safe-cracking is a superpower if you manage to rip off a bank vault. No, good planning is the key to any heist. Or terrorist threat.
The problem is that people in leadership positions seem to get castrated and eviscerated these days, in addition to the usual lobotomies. They have no balls, no guts, and no brains. This is why America is fucked, and good riddance.
It also shows we are too dependent on technology and that we live in fear after 9/11. Had this movie come out before the age of the internet, the threats would have likely still been made. We would have ignored them and shown the movie and nothing would have happened.
Other than straight to video there is no where to release it to. Most of the theater chains in the US backed away from it.
More like America is super cowardly.
What the fuck does emailing a vague and rambling threat of violence have to do with coding and superpowers?
I feel so lied to. No wonder he could beat up Superman.
It was threats of violence that canceled the movie. Saying coding had anything to do with it is like saying you should be able to patent something that people have been doing for ages, because your implementation is 'on the internet'.
When someone says, "Any fool can see
So this is a call for what - people to use their computer skills to censor viewpoints they don't agree with?
...it was the legal liability incurred by Sony after the "hackers" threatened actual physical attacks on movie theaters. Sony simply couldn't afford the legal and financial risk that even one theater might be bombed or attacked. The hacking part of it had no bearing on that.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
By this thinking, wouldn't threatening to plant a bomb would be a superpower?
If you want to understand why you cannot watch "The Interview"',
watch the 1985 classic "Brazil" by Terry Gilliam.
They could take the loss on it and release it to the general public via bittorrent, more or less guaranteeing that it gets as widely distributed as possible.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
It transmogrified my sock into a pipe!
Have pigs sprouted wings and started flying in your universe?
That and Batman had that Kyptonight ring....
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And that isn't really an option either. Sony lost lots of HR and other PII data. If you work at Sony pictures there is a good chance the "GOP" knows where you live.
If Sony releases it at all and there any attack on its own employees they might also open themselves up to lawsuits for negligence. To say nothing of the fact that they might loose their best talent due to people being afraid working their makes them a target.
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Why the hell shouldn't they in this case? As others have said no theatre is going to carry it for fear of being attacked, and releasing it to the public anyway would send a clear message that they/we aren't going to be bullied. They and everyone involved with the movie would be regarded as heroes.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Telling people to use coding for "good" is a very subjective matter. Exposing corruption is a "good" thing, and when law enforcement and Government agencies ignore corruption or become complicit in the corruption, dumping this information to the public is one of few viable options.
Reading the summary (nope, I refused to follow these links) indicates that "good" from their perspective is maintaining the status quo and allowing the corruption to continue unchecked.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Well gee whiz then mister, they (and the U.S.) may as well just pack up and go home, sobbing, because the BIG BAD HACKERS beat us up, and now we're everybody's bitch. Great idea.
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... What made them drop the movie was a terrorist threat that spoked a bunch of bean counters ...
If only the whole thing is so clear cut
Did the United States of America ever shut down the entire electricity grid just because some nutcase wanna carry out a "terrorist attack" on one of the transmission system?
This episode of "theater shut down" looks more and more like a coordinated effort, with a not-so-hidden agenda, and the agenda being TPTB using the excuse of the threat of terrorism to exert more control over the people
Are you new to planet earth and the way the movie companies work?
Why do we really think there really were hackers?? Perhaps the movie was so bad, Sony dreamed up the hacker angle to drum up interest in their movie. They are getting all this free publicity, for the cost of releasing a couple terabytes of junk on the internet. NK is playing along because it makes them look good and allows them to move focus away from their real problems.
State sponsored hacks are indeed state acts of terrorism and/or act of war. KJU and his followers are cowards who can only do any damage indirectly by way of the internet.
I invite the coward, known to the world as KJU, to visit us in our great country of the United States. I for one do not recognize any sort of diplomatic immunity to take precedence over my natural right to self-preservation and my constitutional right to arm myself. I will do everyone a favor and will promptly head shot that pudgy, little, bastard with my Israeli made, .50 cal, muzzle braked, Desert Eagle. The video will be promptly posted on video sites the world over.
It looked like a middling movie, but now it's the most talked about picture of the year. I bet they'll clean up on DVD sales.
And superpowers? You act like breaking into somebody's computers, copying their private shit, then making bomb threats is something inspiring? No. It's not. It's criminal.
I am a little conflicted. I still can't say "good job" to people who break into somebody else's computers. Despite Sony trying to break into millions of computers. Sony is one of the most evil corporations on the planet. So it's kind of like get incensed that Sauron's ring got stolen and melted. I mean, it was his ring.
I'll channel Gene Wilder from Willy Wonka, in the scene where Violet Beauregarde is going to eat the gum that turns her into a blueberry and he mutters quietly to no one in particular, "No. Stop. Don't."
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Yea Sony might as well pack up and go home until this thing is resolved. There isn't a lot they can do.
The U.S. on the other hand should recognize this for what it is. An act of war. Once the possibility of real physical violence and attacks were introduced it was no longer an attack on Sony Pictures but on society as a whole.
Its time for Government to step up and actually do one of the very few things its actually charged with doing, provide for the common defense! We now have a situation where a foreign actor is assaulting our citizens (putting in fear) and by extension infringing their rights of free expression.
What concerns me is that 0bama is figuring out a "proportional response" you don't "proportionally" respond to an act of war. This situation calls for a very disproportionate response.
We should do something like smart bomb Kim's palace. It would minimally impact the innocent citizens of the DPRK while sending the message acts of aggression will not be tolerated and will be met with swift and brutal reprisal against YOU, not your nation, not your people YOU. That is something a despot can understand and might actually fear. If we really luck he dies in the attack.
The Chinese need to be TOLD to just sit tight, lest they be considered conspirators in this attack against us.
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How the fuck would Sony be liable for terrorist attacks?
If only there was a government agency that could secure American communications by ensuring encryption was secure. They could help find and track zero day exploits and notify the company's of said exploits to get them resolved. They could work with industry to help promote secure communications and identify weaknesses. It would be like an agency to promote national secur... Oh, wait...
Push the movie to the digital streaming platforms. Netflix, Apple, Amazon, Hulu, and others could monetize the hell out of the movie. While that won't gain the money of a theatrical release, at least they will get some of the costs back.
Being that Sony is Japanese and has had a few issues with North Korea in the past, I can understand their country being a bit apprehensive about the release though.
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It's easy to be brave when you have nothing to lose. I don't blame Sony employees for not wanting to be targeted.
The actions of all of the major players in this story make no sense based on the known facts. The threat by the hackers to cause a 9/11 style attack if the film was released had no credible support (at least known to me). I know lawyers are risk adverse, but it is hard for me to imagine how Sony could legitimately be a target of lawsuits if the attack actually happened (not that such suits would not be filed, merely that Sony should be able to easily get them all bundled into a few cases and dismissed).
The conspiracy theories which have been created to explain it fail to do so. The motivation they ascribe to those making the hard to explain actions are believable, but it is hard to believe that the actions taken would have the desired results.
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Clickbait nitwits.
It was them bogeymen in them thar intarwebz! It's true! I saw it with my very own eyes, in every news release and opinion piece where "experts" told us about them "hackers". Evil people, pure evil!
In other news, this sort of crap is what makes calling yourself a "hacker" lose your fourth amendment rights. It's tantamount to indicting yourself before the judge in person. Thanks a bunch, security ("white hat" industry and otherwise) s'kiddies and other clueless nitwits, like (tech and otherwise) "journalists". "Hacker" nor "hacking" mean anything any longer so either can mean everything, just like how smurfs smurf so well, smurfily so. Only it doesn't work out happily ever after in the real world.
Thus, the use of "hacking" as in "anything you'd like it to mean", usually "anything the speaker doesn't really understand but involves computers somehow, probably" is Best Current Industry Practice, and therefore equating "hacker" with "(cyber)terrorist" is correct contemporary usage, including allusions to "superpowers". It's a good solid political move, too, since superpowers obviously must be super-regulated, naturally. Doubpleplus moreso cybersuperpowers. Expect new law proposals in 3...2...1....
I can throw a rock through someone's window, climb into their house, get a bunch of their personal info, and publicize it. SUPERPOWER!
I can put a tap on their phone line at the demarc box, record everything from their landline until they notice the intrusion, and publish it all. SUPERPOWER!
I can dig through their garbage for carelessly-discarded confidential papers. Heck, I can just count their beer and wine bottles, and publicize that. SUPERPOWER!
Maybe not the lamest claim ever, but it'll do for today.
Links are half the summary.
There were a good number of theaters that were willing to air the film, as evidenced by the chains that were going to air 'Team America' until it was pulled by the movie company.
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I am not saying I have an answer for that.
This is not a First Amendment question because in this case a corporation that regards themselves in the business of entertaining people has decided that they don't want to risk releasing this movie right now. Yes, they are caving to a threat, but the movie is their property under Copyright to do what they choose, and they choose to not show the movie as of now. They could have just shown the movie, shown the movie but put metal detectors and guards up around the theatres, or maybe even demanded protection from the threat by the government.
There is a broader embrace of free expression in our society going beyond the First Amendment, and caving against the threat undermines free expression. But there is no law against giving in to blackmail -- there are only laws against taking justice into your own hands in acting against a blackmailer. We only wish, sometimes, that the Westboro Church, the book-burning Florida cleric, and the Egyptian movie-making dude would give in, and this wishing out loud by Administration officials gets pushback regarding First Amendment concerns, but there would be no wrong if those people had caved in light of the threats facing their free expression.
So (if presumably it was North Korea) threatened violence within our borders, they haven't violated any law because they are not under US law. On the other hand, such a threat could be construed as an act of war, submitting to such a threat diminishes our honor to the extent that free expression is one of our cherished values, and nations have gone to war over questions of honor -- many times. In other words, to cave humiliates us as a nation in our own eyes, which by definition, is a matter of honor.
Do we want to fight back for our national honor? Does honor, or the principles of honor in this dispute with North Korea rise to the level of risking lives in a war? I am not saying there is a simple answer, but when people say that going to war over "honor" is competely stupid, this example should come to mind. That North Korea effectively has veto power over what is shown for movies in US theatres is a question of honor (we will attack you if you show this movie) -- no one has died (yet), but do we want to live this way? But on the other hand, is a dumb Seth Rogen pic a cause worth dying for?
It proves that sometimes you can influence people by being an humorless asshole.
And yet, you post anonymously.
Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Thursday that the Obama Administration is viewing the Sony attack as a "serious national security matter" and is considering a range of possible options as a response, which could turn things into a contest of U.S. Superpower vs. Coding Superpower.
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NUKE THEM BACK INTO THE STONE AGE!!!!!
Bukowski said it. I believe it. That settles it.
We now have a situation where a foreign actor is assaulting our citizens (putting in fear) and by extension infringing their rights of free expression.
lol
is today psycho day? Seems to be a lot of crazy going on. Can we please get back to just 'a bit irritable' and cut out the i'm a kill you u muthafucka?
There was a cyberattack threat component, too. FBI warned theaters of possible cyberattacks over 'The Interview': The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation released a warning on Tuesday, advising theaters and other businesses associated with Sony Corp's Hollywood studio's film "The Interview" that they could be targeted in cyberattacks. The private document, which was obtained by Reuters, said that "anyone associated with the production, distribution and promotion" of the film "could possibly become the target of cyberattacks."
Just leaving this here:
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Funniest thing I read on the 'net today.
Large corporations have the revenues, population, and political strength of a small country. Countries may be starting to treat them like other countries, e.g. make treaties, or go to war with them. Examples North Korea versus Sony; Europe versus Google.
There have been movies about this, such as Blad Runner and Roller Ball where the world is ruled by corporations and nations are shadows.
That's the superpower at work here.
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Keep dreaming losers.
Now knitting, THAT is a real superpower.
Anyone else read KJU in their head as "K-Ju"? Its like J-Lo, or J-Law, or .. you get the idea. I kinda like it. I just hope his nudes aren't leaked as retribution.
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How much coding was involved? I'm not aware of the mechanics of the break-in. It could have been pure social engineering. It could have been a mole. That doesn't involve any coding. It could have been spotting a vulnerability. People who do that usually do some coding, but such attacks involve a lot of analysis of existing code as opposed to creating new code. The actual attack may require code; but it's usually not a lot. So. "Coding" as the "super-power" behind the attack? Meh.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
Dude, he was able to beat up Superman because he had brains. Superman was like the lifter on the beach, always showing off.
That and Batman had that Kyptonight ring....
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Nope it was all hacking. It clearly ranks up there with super strength and speed.
On paper, that might sound viable to you. But it would pretty well result in NK attacking and lashing back out at anyone they could: SK, Japan, etc.. .. well, pure theater. But an actual military attack on Pyongang, hello WWIII, or at least the Korean War again.. And I'm sure the Chinese would just sit tight like good little dogs because the ol' USA told them to. The world is not that simple, do not let your emotions cloud your better judgment. K-Ju and crew (love that) will get their just desserts. I suspect we're going to hack back the fuck out of them.
Chances are the theater threats were
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Hackers can make your house turn against you! Hackers can make your refrigerator jump you in the dark!
Sony executives have started to believe their own movies. Idiots. The USA government isn't much better. All these folks are doing is giving credit to to something that can be prevented...provided the likes of Sony want to spend the money to secure their network.
Sorry you are scared but I don't want to go to war over some shit movie from some shit company.
Coding is not a superpower, as simple coding can be taught to any moron who can think semi-logically. Ask the average teenage coder to write a program to run a bank of elevators efficiently, or solve the youngest uncle problem, or solve the shortest distance problem. Or ask the average teenage coder to explain how i/o systems work. I'm betting the average "coder" has no clue about any of these things.
This whole episode is evidence that computer hacking should be completely legalized. If hacking was legal, some white-hat script kiddie from Nebraska would have found the security flaws in Sony's system a long time ago. The flaws would have been reported and fixed and would have been a whole lot less damaging to the country as a whole. Probably it barely would have made the news.
Instead we have to wait around for some country who has no regard for out legal system to hack our systems and find our flaws. Now North Korea looks smart, while we all know that there are hundreds of 16 year old hackers out there who probably could have done the same thing --- if it was legal.
Way to go lawmakers.
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There was a scene where Bridges was coding something and said "I feel a little like Santa Claus."
That's a superpower.
did you take a crazy pill with your coffee this morning?
If that's a superpower, then leveraging any machinery to do any work is a superpower. Just a man... Just one man uses his superpowers to plow the 1000 acres of a field, in a day, that before took so many... with his fucking tractor.
And if an attacked state retaliated by killing large numbers of the perps and their fellow citizens?
The US has lost its first cyberwar to North Korea, I read in the newspaper today. I think it's utter bullshit. This is not a cyberwar between two countries. Nothing of relevance has been lost. So one major companie got hacked and they lost all their data and have to pull back a movie - how important is that? I think it is quite big, but nothing compared to war between countries. If NK could shutdown the powergrid, take over some drones and use them to attack the US Navy with just online hacking, that would come close, but this does not compare.
Hello SoniMovie, This is lil' Kim. We released some of your more mild data which we found on your wide open for public viewing network. Release "The Interview" and my NKDenizens will release the criminal stuff they found on your wide open for public viewing network. Thank you and have a nice day.
Just because some vague articles and politicos point the finger at North Korea doesn't mean that it's true. I'm not making any assertions about the truth at this point, but we should be careful before jumping to (potentially violent) conclusions based on hearsay.
http://www.wired.com/2014/12/e...
"But in their initial public statement, whoever hacked Sony made no mention of North Korea or the film. And in an email sent to Sony by the hackers, found in documents they leaked, there is also no mention of North Korea or the film. The email was sent to Sony executives on Nov. 21, a few days before the hack went public. Addressed to Sony Pictures CEO Michael Lynton, Chairwoman Amy Pascal and other executives, it appears to be an attempt at extortion, not an expression of political outrage or a threat of war."
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White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Thursday that the Obama Administration is viewing the Sony attack as a "serious national security matter" and is considering a range of possible options as a response
Just as I predicted: http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
Then assumed he was a Korean-Jewish Rapper rapping against Christmas :)
Hacking, and the reaction to it from our Democrat elites, proves that North Korea is a superpower.
"The Chinese need to be TOLD to just sit tight"
Except who's to say the Chinese weren't originally behind this. "Guardians of Peace" was a term Nixon said to China on why we were helping South Korea.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
Poor Flash, sometimes super speed is not a good thing......
This is the stupidest conclusion I've seen in 2014 and I've had the US government and the WHOLE INTERNET aggressively providing strong candidates all year.
-Styopa
What spooked everyone was the fact that every day you read how Asians are strapping bombs to their chests to blow up stuff due to their political ideology. Wait. It is Asians who do that, right?
They won't because they aren't releasing it now, but likely will wait for the threats to die down before quietly releasing it in theaters. Then, they'll release it on DVD/Blu-Ray hoping everyone will want to buy the movie that North Korea threatened death if we watched. From the reports, the movie was horrible and so probably wouldn't have brought in much anyway, but releasing on BitTorrent for free means they make nothing. Holding for possible future means possible future income. Movie companies will always choose possible future money over no money now any day.
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Does North Korea even have anything worthy of hacking?
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If we as human beings are supposed to believe the sermons of political correctness eminating from the Politicos, then automatically it seems quintessential that it should be the corporations and governments who should be self-censoring their words and deeds lest they upset some superpower. Clearly, calling for or even mentioning assassination of world leaders can get you removed from the party fast. Iraq being a perfect example, when Saddam Hussein threatened a certain president's daddy. I'm sure if he could, he would want to take those words back.
Sony should have excersized some common sense, but being a commodity these days, common sense is far too valuable to just throw around loosely, I guess.
With great [coding] powers comes great responsibility, to earn a huge profit for your labor.
I only look human.
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Just what is the NSA up to here? Shouldn't they be busy heading off exactly this sort of thing? So what's their part of this action? That's right, they're busy facilitating the terrorists by weakening the security that could prevent this crap from happening so they can do the things they are never ever supposed to do. Screw protecting the country, they have law abiding citizens to spy on!
Last night the 5yo asked "Dad, what's batman's superpower again?" I replied, a bit curtly "Money." The wife gave me a look because she thought that sounded wrong but couldn't argue about it.
so is this when we deploy our "Kuang Grade Mark Eleven penetration program"? Maybe Sony should deploy some low-flying ultralights to penetrate NK's cyberdome and hack them back...
This entire show going to have one result, justified damage being inflicted on North Korea, sure they did it, but they are fools for being provoked into doing so.
It isn't about computers or programming, it is about game play, global Igo.
So, the best we can hope for in a worst case scenario is that we go out with a heart-warming JOE E. BROWN grin on our face, our head hanging in some terrorist's hand with warts and smegma under his effeminately untrimmed fingernails while he's shouting how great his god is? Insouciantly, all we are thinking is how great it would have been if we could have just flossed for that final video money shot.
Is that even do-able?
Ok so the largest theater chains wont show the film (not just because of the threats of physical attack but because of the threats of cyber attack by the same hackers that attacked Sony).
And it doesn't make sense to do a full theatrical release if the biggest chains in the US wont show it (because of all the costs involved with doing a theatrical release like marketing and advertising).
So why doesn't Sony just release it to every digital download store that will take it? (and any increased risk of cyber attack that might come from distributing the film) It wouldn't be the first time that a film originally slated for theatrical release ended up being switched to a direct-to-video release instead.
Are there legal issues in going direct-to-video? (e.g. contracts with the production team) Could Sony have been asked by the government not to go direct-to-video at this point? Are they still considering a theatrical release of some kind at some point in the future? Or are Sony scared that releasing the film in this way will result in further damage? (i.e. the hackers releasing information they copied in the Sony hack and haven't yet released but which, if released, will be even more damaging to Sony than what's released so far)
Almost every shopping mall gets bomb threats and most of them are ignored.
I don't believe the premise at all...
However, if coding is a super power; then, by my greying beard, I am a GOD!
Responding to this incident with a physical attack of any kind on North Korea or it's interests
Think about what you're saying in these terms: These North Korean hackers, even if sponsored by the North Korean government (which I'll actually believe) are deliberately provoking us, hoping we'll respond with some sort of physical attack. If we (the U.S.) were stupid enough to do that, these 'GoP' fucks would just sit back and say LOL I TROL U, Y U SO MAD? while the North Korean government would cry foul to the rest of the world (we're a tiny little country being bullied by the Big Bad United States again, pity us, pity us!).. and they'd be right. Also remember that the U.S. doesn't have such a great reputation out in the world anymore, frankly we've been assholes way too much and that'll take a long time to fix.
On the other hand, here's the 'proportional response' we should take: Hack the living fuck out of everything and anything we can get at in North Korea, then when they get all butthurt over it, throw up our hands and claim to know nothing about it (kharma, bitches!).
By the way I stand by what I originally said: Sony should release the movie anyway. There is literally no point in cowering in fear over any of these 'threats' they're making of terrorist action (which is what it amounts to) because they could do whatever anyway, and if they're really capable of carrying out their threats then what could be done to stop it anyway? Being cowards about it just empowers and emboldens the little shits.
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I don't like the claim that coding is a superpower; Superman, Spiderman, or just about any of your favorite superheroes never really worked or earned it, which makes the comparison unfair.
Instead you should compare coding to wizardry, where truly amazing power comes from a lifetime of practicing the art, delving into arcane tomes, learning from other wizards, etc.
Misdirection?
Redirection.
This attack, no matter who did, it's an excellent material to be used against whatever USA needs at the moment.
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