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Cuba Says the Internet Now a Priority

lpress writes Cuba first connected to the Internet in 1996 through a Sprint link funded by the US National Science Foundation. A year later the Cuban government decided to contain and control it. Now they say the Internet is a priority. If so, they need a long term plan, but they can get started with low cost interim measures. There is virtually no modern infrastructure on the island, but they could aggressively deploy satellite technology at little cost and, where phone lines could support it, install DSL equipment.

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  1. So release the old fart they have in prison... by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The old guy there was trying to get internet to the island and they threw him in jail. Let's start with forcing the Cuban Government to take bi-polar meds first?

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    1. Re:So release the old fart they have in prison... by jonwil · · Score: 4, Informative

      The difference is that the Internet the Cuban government wants (no doubt censored and highly regulated like in China, Russia etc) is totally different to the internet that the old guy was trying to set up (which wouldn't have had the censorship and regulations)

    2. Re:So release the old fart they have in prison... by TheBlueCrab · · Score: 4, Informative

      They already did release him. That's a big part of the recent thawing of relations between the US and Cuba...

    3. Re:So release the old fart they have in prison... by davydagger · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Was he one of the 53 "political prisoners" released from jail right after the US opened their embassy? Do you even know his name?

      Let's start with forcing the Cuban Government to take bi-polar meds first?

      No, its a change of policy. We screamed for years about trying to get the Cuban government to change its policy to a more social libertarian one, and they finally start making moves in the direction, and we call them crazy. No sir. This is a step in the right direction. No need for hostilities.

    4. Re:So release the old fart they have in prison... by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The difference is that the Internet the Cuban government wants (no doubt censored and highly regulated like in China, Russia etc) is totally different to the internet that the old guy was trying to set up (which wouldn't have had the censorship and regulations)

      I can't imagine they aren't aware of the goal of these relations. Fidel can say communism isn't dead all he wants... but the reality is, as soon as US money starts flowing in his regime is doomed.

    5. Re:So release the old fart they have in prison... by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

      No Net Neutrality for YOU! Pay EXTRA for Hulu!

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    6. Re:So release the old fart they have in prison... by leslie.satenstein · · Score: 2

      Was he one of the 53 "political prisoners" released from jail right after the US opened their embassy? Do you even know his name?

      Let's start with forcing the Cuban Government to take bi-polar meds first?

      No, its a change of policy. We screamed for years about trying to get the Cuban government to change its policy to a more social libertarian one, and they finally start making moves in the direction, and we call them crazy. No sir. This is a step in the right direction. No need for hostilities.

      Interestingly, the rest of the world did not join in the USA embargo. Ergo, short of not having access to US Television and soapbox operas, the Cubans lived with tourism and trade with Latin America. Canadians took Cuban vacations almost every winter. So did many Europeans. Just keep out McDonalds, Starbucks, Subways and a few other fat producing fast food outlets.

  2. Cuban girls gone wild? by Kenja · · Score: 4, Funny

    This would be a good test of the time delta between a country getting internet access and the time when they start to produce internet porn.

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  3. Re:Tiny Island by binarylarry · · Score: 2

    Cuba's not really that tiny.

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  4. Satellite not needed by arielCo · · Score: 5, Informative

    After several years planning and deploying, they have fiber-to-the-shore, courtesy of their sugar daddies in Venezuela. It's public access that's lacking, and perhaps the showstopper here isn't lack of computers but scaling up their national firewall.

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    1. Re:Satellite not needed by jodido · · Score: 2

      There is no "national firewall." You may be thinking of China. Or more likely not thinking at all. It's fascinating how people will invent or repeat the most badly-informed (I'm too polite to say stupidest) things about Cuba and think they're intelligent.

    2. Re: Satellite not needed by arielCo · · Score: 2

      I find it quite believable, seeing how the Venezuelan govt simply issues orders to all ISPs to block the IP ranges of sites that make them uncomfortable; a famous victim is DolarToday.com, a site that tracks the black market currency exchange rate and now publishes unflattering news and opinion. I'd include a few traceroutes but I'm posting from my phone. Even pastebin.com was blocked for more than a year (haven't checked recently) because a list of URLs with leaked emails wad posted there.

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  5. Uncensored Access for All by Tokolosh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have long wished that Google, Microsoft or even (gasp) the US Government would blanket the airspace worldwide with balloons/drones/satellites connected in an internet mesh. Then airdrop a 100 million tablets and solar chargers to third-world peasants and oppressed everywhere. Plenty of fat in the US military budget to pay for it. Imagine if a Cuban or North Korean suddenly had unfettered access to the world.

    This would be a great blow against the domination of the powerful. Oh, oops, nevermind.

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  6. Re:Tiny Island by davydagger · · Score: 2

    I think its time to lay some fiber in cuba, and if the thaw is real, and has any perminance, run some undersea fiber between florida and cuba. If anything, that will help add perminance to the thaw.

  7. The access is not as dire as you would imagi by gwolf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have been three times to Cuba; first time (in 1999) I went to visit a friend at the Health Ministry, and they had quite a good dialup access point; back then, dialup was still the main Internet access mode where I live (Mexico). The lacking part was, of course, computer access in the population.

    The last time I was there (2010) was shortly before the connection to Venezuela started operation. I was invited to give a talk at the "Universidad de Ciencias Informáticas" campus, near La Habana. There, basically every student lives on-campus (the university is in a decomissioned Soviet base). All rooms have a computer — Old one, but working. And yes, network access was quite slow. Students also had a terribly low monthly bandwidth allowance (IIRC it was in the vicinity of 300MB), and after hitting that ceiling, there was no way to get more bits for them. It was quite interesting to see how a large group of people learnt to use the Internet with Javascript off, images off!

    There was no censorship I could find (using a regular student account). Of course, I didn't go testing everything, as I didn't want to leave my host disconnected — But the main issue was the limits derived from having a single satellite uplink for the whole nation. I was told the situation improved vastly after the fiber to Venezuela was laid, but I cannot comment first-hand on it.

    Of course, I'd expect now a fat fiber will be laid to Florida.

    1. Re:The access is not as dire as you would imagi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I agree. I went to Cuba in 2009 and in Havana I went numerous times to an internet 'cafe' in the library near Parque Central. It wasn't the fastest thing in the world but there were around 20 machines in there and I didn't have any issues (although they all seemed to run their own operating system or front end or something). I saw internet cafes in Santa Clara and Trinidad too, and when I returned to Havana I stayed in a Casa Particulare just off Prado and the guy had his own computer with internet access.
      In the cafes I even went onto the CIA, FBI and White House websites as well as looking up anti-communist blogs, all with no problems.

      But yes, it's not quite up there yet but it does exist and the Cubans want it.

    2. Re:The access is not as dire as you would imagi by unencode200x · · Score: 3, Informative

      All true, but there is more to the story. (I'm Cuban by the way and half my family is still there). In much of the country in areas outside of Havana people don't have much and the homes are run down to say the least. They don't even have phones, or much food for that matter. It will take a long time to change that.

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  8. Old Castro fan calls B.S! on Cuban internet by Simonetta · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm an old Castro and Che fan from the 1960s. . After having met and talked with many Cuban exiles of my own age who have arrived in my city over the years, I now realize that the entire Cuban revolution was bullshit Things suck there. They are always getting worse. I call bullshit on Cuban government's proposal to 'allow' internet access to its citizens. That country is run by fascist assholes. They will never all access to the internet to ordinary citizens. Only Cuban 'stasi' goon-squad assholes and their trusted weasels will be allowed to view Huff Post or Slashdot.

  9. Re: Incontrovertible evidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Things are rough in countries that don't bend over to superpowers. Embargoes and sanctions that restrict food and medications to children are just mean and spiteful. The kids that are being hurt now weren't even alive when it all started. What's the point?

  10. Re:Let's place bets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Russia/Ukraine (Brides)

    Cuba is already a good source of brides to Europeans. It's only the US that has had limited access, the rest of the world travels freely to Cuba.

  11. More US hypocrisy by jodido · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The US has blocked Cuba's linking to the submarine cables that pass right by the island, so it's more than a little hypocritical from them to now criticize. Also, satellite is not cheap, compared to cable. Third, there are already a lot--a LOT--of Cubans on line through Facebook and other means. So know-it-alls with your sarcasm stick it somewhere else.

  12. Interesting by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It'll be interesting to see how they choose to go. Perhaps they'll actually get something set up that is owned by the people, as their social system alleges a strong preference for.

    It'd be fascinating to see how it works without big corporations in there making choices for them on a constant basis, if they can manage to avoid that.

    Somehow, though, I keep coming back to the fact that no socialist or communist system has ever been seriously tried without some kind of de-facto dictatorship making the end goal impossible to reach. Equality is fine until the idiots who disagree want to be equal, too... All systems seem to have that particular fundamental problem. Equal unless different, otherwise ostracized.

    My cynical side tells me palms will be greased, corporations will heavily engage, and your Cuban surfer will have a pretty typical bill to pay. Be delighted to be proven wrong, though.

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  13. Re:Celular by Strider- · · Score: 2

    Cellular is pretty much the only reasonable option given the lack of infrastructure. It can be installed completely wireless, aside from power. And finally, an answer to where the old phones can go.

    It already is. I was at GTMO on business, and as I was walking into one of the dining facilities, my cell phone rang. Everyone looked at me like I was from Mars, until I explained that as a Canadian phone, it happily roamed onto the Cuban cell network.

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  14. Why go 20th century? by BrianRaker · · Score: 2

    You have a blank slate. Do it right with fibre optics everywhere. Set these people right from the start. Don't cripple them by putting in tech from the 1950s or 1980s.

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  15. No internet??? by kwbauer · · Score: 2

    How could a worker's paradise not have 10-gig lines to every single room of every single house and apartment?

  16. Re:Internet Censorship Paradise? by murdocj · · Score: 2

    Try going to one of those countries that censor the Internet and making an unfavorable comment about the government and you might find a few other differences.

  17. Modern Cellular is the way to go by billstewart · · Score: 2

    It's not completely wireless; to get any reasonable bandwidth out to the users, you need fiber to the towers, not just T1 or radio uplinks, but that's not too hard to do. (As another poster says, the telco's run by the government, so they shouldn't have a problem getting permits, just the usual issues with new construction in old cities.)

    No reason to use old phones - the newer standards are much more efficient at spectrum usage.

    And there's been fiber to the island for a long time; the problem has been that the US embargoes on trade with Cuba severely limited the services the telcos could provide. To the extent that that was caused by Treasury regulations (which Obama can change for two years) rather than law (which requires the Republicans in Congress to cooperate), they can get some of that service running quickly.

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  18. Cable to Cuba by billstewart · · Score: 2

    The politics that mattered weren't the ones with Chavez, it was the US pressure on anybody else. Cuba's a really convenient place to run cable, and there's some cable there, but the amount of actual service that it was carrying was very tightly restricted because of the US embargoes. The telcos would have been happy to run a lot more of it, but weren't allowed to.

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  19. Gut everything and start over by Karmashock · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Cuba has an opportunity to leap into the 21st century.

    The only obstacle is their batshit crazy government. No one wants to invest anything in Cuba because it will just get stolen by the government. And the government is too poor to actually buy anything.

    So there you go.

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