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Anonymous Claims They Will Release "The Interview" Themselves
An anonymous reader writes In a series of tweets the hacker collective Anonymous says they will release "The Interview" to the masses if Sony won't. A few of the tweets read: "Seriously @Sony we warned you. We infiltrated your systems long before North Korea. We thought you'd take it as a warning and fix your s@#t." and "We're not with either side, we just want to watch the movie too and soon you too will be joining us. Sorry, @SonyPictures."
Sony makes a, by all reports, terrible movie. Suddenly the hack gives it a tremendous amount of press coverage and controversy. When they finally relent and release it, will the overall ticket sales be up or down?
Nah, Sony is much too honest and honorable of a company to consider such a thing......
these guys are really the lamest. all they are doing is trying to get attention when they dont actually do anything. like during ferguson protests. the only thing they did is dox websites....did zero good. when they actually hack a police or military system and stop them from communicating to prevent attacks on americans or others, then i will back them. until then they are basement trolls.
just get on with it already. unless you don't have it.
If "Anonymous" would become involved.
If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
Look at all the reforms in gaming journalism they've spearheaded, and all of the SJW influence they've thwarted!
Sony makes a, by all reports, terrible movie. Suddenly the hack gives it a tremendous amount of press coverage and controversy. When they finally relent and release it, will the overall ticket sales be up or down?
Nah, Sony is much too honest and honorable of a company to consider such a thing......
Yeah, cause Sony as part of a marketing ploy decided to release all the Social Security Numbers and salaries for EVERYBODY that worked for them.
There are only tenuous links to North Korea. (A hotel network in Thailand and a language localization, both of which could have easily been done by anybody). The "North Korea" ultimatum, which was also anonymous, was only made AFTER the media had speculated about it.
North Korea claimed that they weren't responsible, and more notably they didn't publicly post any long-winded justifications as to why the hack was a good thing (besides the omnipresent "evil west" speal) or leverage the data for their own gain. (Instead, a lot of data was released to simply embarrass Sony).
Until it's proven otherwise, I'm going to assume that these guys are the same ones that did the hack and that the North Korea link is bullshit.
Spoilers: In the end of the movie Kim Jung-un turns out to be a pretty fun guy (aside from the debauchery and keeping the population in slavery and all) and the would - be assassins don't do the dirty deed because of it. In other words the movie actually put's down America's CIA killing machine and puts Kim Jung in a far better light than he deserves.
... the Korean dictatorship. Had they not wigged out over a freaking B-list movie than their Supreme A-Hole would have garnered some degree of sympathy form the American public but instead they decided to shoot themselves in their foot once again.
.... Sony vs. N. Korea??? .... I'm finding it pretty hard to really root for any of those schmucks here)
The only thing worse and with less sense of humor than the CIA is
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Sony makes a, by all reports, terrible movie. Suddenly the hack gives it a tremendous amount of press coverage and controversy. When they finally relent and release it, will the overall ticket sales be up or down?
Nah, Sony is much too honest and honorable of a company to consider such a thing......
Yeah, cause Sony as part of a marketing ploy decided to release all the Social Security Numbers and salaries for EVERYBODY that worked for them.
It is possible Sony has decided to exploit the hacking incident to their own benefit w.r.t. "The Interview" an otherwise lacklustre movie according to those who have previewed it in their capacity as film critics. The personal information was released by the "hackers" but Sony management runs to the US Government for assistance thereby giving themselves plenty of cover no matter how the situation ends.
Yeah, sometimes a story just kind of works out that way -- Cage deathmatch between Hanson and the Spice Girls, Fox News and Dish Networks at war, Sony Vs. North Korea, etc. You just gotta figure no matter who loses, Humanity wins.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Yeah, cause Sony as part of a marketing ploy decided to release all the Social Security Numbers and salaries for EVERYBODY that worked for them.
Oh, I totally believe that is within Sonys sense of ethics. They will also lie to courts to send innocent people to jail and bribe cops.
The thing that tells us the Sony isn't behind this is that the hack reveals incriminating information about Sony.
I especially loved the line "I'm just a minion, standing in front of a deranged ruthless dictator, asking him to love me."
Which is why *nobody* ever does such a thing, right?
"management runs to the US Government "
was that before or after they speculated on a certain Black President's preference for films with Black movie stars?
http://www.latimes.com/enterta...
"Should I ask him if he liked DJANGO?" she wrote, referring to the film about a freed slave. Later in the exchange Pascal wondered if she should ask Obama if he liked two other African American-focused films, "The Butler" and "Think Like a Man."
I don't think anyone ever wants to be a position to have to talk to Al Sharpton about racially insensitive remarks.
What's that? Sharing copyrighted movies (released or otherwise) is against the law?
Thank you, Joe_Dragon. We had absolutely no idea.
We'd better contact these Anonymous guys and let them know, right? I'm sure they would change their mind if they were made aware if this information.
Thank you for linking us to that new information from that forum post from 2003.
Is anonymous really this stupid? They're supposed to be anti-big corporation. Yet they're just helping Sony's PR stunt succeed.
Or it's just Sony pretending to be anonymous.
In which case, anonymous is going to hurt them.. probably enough to offset the profit from the PR stunt.
Some of the news reports over this are just awful. Here in Australia the nightly news talked about how Sony had delayed releasing their "blockbuster". Either they have redefined the meaning of the word to "pile of shit barely B rated movie" or the press is getting even worse.
The only thing worse and with less sense of humor than the CIA is ... the Korean dictatorship. Had they not wigged out over a freaking B-list movie than their Supreme A-Hole would have garnered some degree of sympathy form the American public but instead they decided to shoot themselves in their foot once again.
Don't fall victim to the false narrative of NK being run by nutjobs. No one runs a country, especially not for 50+ years without being extremely shrewed and cunning. They clearly don't give a fuck about regular citizens, but they sure know how to play other countries given the tiny amount of real power they have. Don't let them play you too.
I've been idling watching the DPRK's actions over the last 15 years, and this article is the first one about the Sony hack that matches up with what all the serious scholars have been saying about the DPRK for decades.
Here's the real reason North Korea hacked Sony. It has nothing to do with The Interview.
"Should I ask him if he liked DJANGO?" she wrote
I can't quite see why this is being made out to be such a scandal. So she asked a colleague if a black guy might be interested in films starring black characters. Okay, it's a bit naive, but scandalous? Really?
It's not like she said anything insensitive to Obama; she merely asked a colleague for advice about how to act appropriately. I'd think that recognizing your ignorance in advance and correcting it would be preferable to ignoring it and then blurting out something stupid/embarrassing to the POTUS.
I'm probably missing some critical detail, but to me it seems like the only thing she's guilty of is not having enough experience interacting with black people in a social context. That's a weakness, to be sure, but if it's a sin then it's a sin that a lot of other people are also guilty of. I think this is a pretty good example of why people are so reluctant to enter any discussion about race -- anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of public opinion.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
She also asked whether she should be prepared to ask the president if he would like to go check out some thick white broads after feasting on fried chicken and red pop (no ice).
I'm pretty sure that if you're at work and and pretty high up in a big corporation, you should have enough common sense and basic human dignity and respect not to be asking a colleague whether it's true that black people have a special bone in their ankle that prevents them from enjoying movies with white stars.
I mean, everyone knows black people like Liam Neeson movies.
Fucking people. I'm tickled whenever a huge multinational corporation has it's ass displayed for the world to see. It's a sign that they haven't completely locked down the world just yet.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Hey, nobody's perfect.
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You just gotta figure no matter who loses, Humanity wins.
Unfortunately, in this case, both sides win. Does that mean humanity loses? North Korea gets to flex its muscles and show that it has the ability to censor the US for awhile. Sony had a movie that was going to flop, but now they just need to hold on to it for a little while before releasing it and they'll rake in the millions.
Smoking gun is motive... Who other than N Korea would give a rat's ass about releasing this movie??
OS Software is like love: The best way to make it grow is to give it away.
Actually I think that box office statistics would show that it would be likely for someone in his income range and ethnicity to have seen most if not all of those movies. And highly unlikely that a white person in the same pay range would have seen even half of them. And almost no people of other ethnicities would have seen any of them.
So oddly enough people in their business would have about a solid a grasp of the movie viewing demographics of any people alive. While it may have been meant as a racist remark it may be that the would have equally speculated that George Bush liked Top Gun and Ghost.
Since when has Anonymous become quite the police state?
Two people have an argument online, and they threaten to release a sex tape of one of them if they do not stop.
They say they will release a movie, which ironically they would be against, because they can.
Talk about conflict of interests.
It has been well known that all Corporate IT security is a complete joke. CIO refuses to spend the money on it, COO refuses to make users actually follow real security procedures, and the CFO loves the "it wont happen to us" line that means they will not have to actually spend money on real IT security.
This is not new, I'm just glad that it's happening in a very public way so that maybe the worthless executives out there will actually listen to their IT experts about the fact that we NEED to spend the money to try and keep the bad guys out.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
It's true, I LOVE Liam Neeson movies! I've no idea why... he's a pretty good actor who happens to get properly cast more often than not.
As for Django.... My wife and I put off watching it for a year, as a lot of people I know made it out to be super offensive/over-the-top. Turns out, I think it's one of Tarantino's best films.
But I digress.... Companies tend to be clueless, as a whole - as people tend to be clueless, as a whole. I mean, how hard is it to ask yourself the converse of a question? "Is it true white people have a special bone in their ankle that prevents them from enjoying movies with black stars?" - (On second thought... Please don't answer that...)
So you're absolutely right, better to ask what is proper etiquette WITH ANY CULTURE, then to display your ignorance (and, since you didn't ask, arrogance) to the entire world. Even if someone is offended by you asking privately...you've still avoided worse.
Why can't all fpga/microcontroller manufacturers just release free optimizing compilers???
Downloading it on torrent is a good way not to support either Sony or North Korea. In fact, torrenting this movie gives a big "fuck you", not only to sony, but NK.
Yeah, that's my opinion too, but I'd probably restate it more definitely.
It's impossible that they're NOT exploiting a ton of controversy for the free publicity. Sony Pictures is a media company, obviously they're going to leverage everything they can for marketing purposes.
The idea that they released all their confidential emails and social security numbers for marketing is ridiculous though. The data leak was real, and they're not going to try anything underhanded (like faking threats) at this point. They're under way too much scrutiny; the company heads probably don't trust their computers to keep secrets long enough for any underhanded marketing.
Had I mod points tonight, you'd have got an informative. Thank you.
"Our opponent is an alien starship packed with atomic bombs," I said. "we have a protractor"
Most of the world's great conflicts are between two evil powers acting for selfish reasons.
WW2 America's defense of the free world was really just America's defense of itself after it was unwillingly drug into the conflict by a direct attack. And let's not forget the high level of amnesty we gave to atrocity-commiting Nazi scientists in return for their scientific knowledge. We weren't the noble heroes we like to remember ourselves as having been.
War isn't fought over religious or ideological differences; it is *always* just a matter of control over natural resources. All else is heart-and-mind-winning bullshit.
If you live in the US and are an executive with a multinational corporation, and you still have to ask what is proper etiquette in dealing with a highly educated and well-traveled black man, you are either 1) clueless , 2) a Republican or 3) a racist.
Believe it or not, you'll never go wrong by just treating American people as people, regardless of their skin color. It works surprisingly well. On the off-chance that I encounter a black person, living as I do on the near West Side of Chicago, it usually turns out that they're generally regular people who laugh at funny sitcoms, enjoy well-made movies and good food and think the Bears should fire their entire coaching staff.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Prove it.
I'd like to see a movie/film titled "Sony v(ersu)s N(orth Korea". :P
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"(also .... Sony vs. N. Korea??? .... I'm finding it pretty hard to really root for any of those schmucks here)"
So just don't root for either of them? There's no reason to rush to the defense of either side in a conflict, especially if you're just as happy to see both sides knocked down a peg or two by going at it.
The problem isn't just stupid C*Os, though they certainly exist. The problem is also our inability to communicate properly with them. Me personally, guilty as charged, btw. -- it took me many, many years to understand how the C-level thinks and how to talk to them to get what you want. And even then you often don't because of some under-the-radar corporate politics that's going on right then.
No, this hack will in no way change anything. None of the previous public hacks did.
One of the main problems is that C*Os are right that a lot of security money is totally wasted on bullshit, like security awareness trainings for an audience that doesn't give a fuck, shouldn't have to give a fuck, and will forget everything they accidentally heard over their playing Farmville or bullshit bingo while you were talking in front, wasting their precious office time. Or on technically cute systems that are as fascinating as they are useless. Or on trying to convince a C*O that he needs military-grade security without explaining him why he should consider himself a military man.
For about 10 years now the security industry has - at the speed of a turtle - realized that it doesn't take human factors into consideration nearly enough. We've all thrown the mantra of the stupid user around as if it would explain anything, and explained our consistent failure to complete our mission by pointing fingers at others, just like you do above.
Guess what? Everyone in a company has too few resources, executives meddling in their things and idiot managers fucking things up, but the others still manage to largely accomplish their goals.
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Excuse me...Republican here...90% of my friends are black. Generalizing is risky.
If that's the case, 90% of your friends probably think you're a jerk. Or idiot. Or both.
sony didn't pull the movie the cinemas did so after they all refused to show it due to empty threats sony canceled it. so there blaming the wrong party hear sony was not backing own. it likely will just be released on dvd now sometimes hacking groups make no fucking sense.
Some do have that special bone but I think it's in their head actually...
Not all corporate IT security is a joke. Some of it you don't hear news stories about.
Well, OK, but some of it actually is pretty good.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
I don't think anyone ever wants to be a position to have to talk to Al Sharpton about racially insensitive remarks.
Fixed that for you
If that's the case, 90% of your friends probably think you're a jerk. Or idiot. Or both.
So, you're implying the majority of blacks dislike Republicans? Stereotype much, you bigot?
http://nypost.com/2014/12/21/s...
What's that? Sharing copyrighted movies (released or otherwise) is against the law?
Thank you, Joe_Dragon. We had absolutely no idea.
We'd better contact these Anonymous guys and let them know, right? I'm sure they would change their mind if they were made aware if this information.
Thank you for linking us to that new information from that forum post from 2003.
2003? By now the sentence is probably 30 years. Next to illegal marijuana possession. Of course if it was just a minor offense like accidental discharge of a firearm it could be only those 3 years.
As I've been listening to all the talk about what has happened, I am really reminded of the first episode of the revised Battlestar Galactica series where at various times Commander Adama discussed just why the systems on his ship weren't networked, and why they didn't have external connections (automatic landing systems)
So.... Sony is fighting Cylons? :-)
This is the nuclear version of "some of my best friends are black".
"ALMOST ALL OF MY FRIENDS ARE BLACK #NotAllRepublicans"
and,
"I'M DOWN WITH KANYE AND LOVE THICK BROADS TOO! AND I'M WHITE!"
You are welcome on my lawn.
Yeah, it's not like there are any votes or anything where 90% of black people completely reject Republicans.
Oh wait...
You are welcome on my lawn.
It'd be better to have a criminal justice system based on reform and rehabilitation.
...and that that particularAnonymous (threatening to release the film) is a plant, and not really representative of anon
For a few days this seemed all a harmless publicity stunt by Sony Pictures and US Gov approval.
Now, is a fucking nightmare.
Sony has lost control of finances and accounts and payroll.
FBI is looking as a Obama ordered leaker of passwords and band info to North Korea.
So when the SHIT hits the fan, a few hours from now, Obama and family can take Air Force One to Beijing and beg for political asylum.
No ha ha as this is real as it gets.
2) Sony - no uniforms, but that much money, media control and political connectivity packs one helluva wallop, and
3) Anonymous - (self-declared) internet "freedom fighters".
Here's to hoping the US government does what's best instead of what it does best.
if you still have to ask what is proper etiquette in dealing with a highly educated and well-traveled black man
Rat, once again, you're a colossal moron. She wasn't asking "how to deal with" the president, she was making a shitty and tasteless joke.
you are either ...a Republican
Fun fact: There's no Republicans involved in this story. Like most Hollywood types, the Sony exec here GAVE A SHITLOAD OF MONEY TO OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN.
Believe it or not, you'll never go wrong by just treating American people as people, regardless of their skin color.
But if they vote for someone who Rat doesn't approve of, watch out.
You mad, bro?
You are welcome on my lawn.
All that tells us is their money is on the winner.
Fun fact: Just because I draft Tom Brady in my fantasy league doesn't mean I'm a Patriots fan.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Anonymous should just email this idea to the Obama admin.
The proportionate response to North Korea hacking Sony Pictures (Assuming it is an American based company) is not to put them on the terrorist sponser list as no-one has been terrorised. The proportionate response is to release the movie.
I reserve the write to mangle english.
I've heard third hand that a cable company offered in the ballpark of $80 million for the rights for it and Sony turned them down. They think the value is closer to $250M. They will release it, just a question of when.
Fun fact: Just because I draft Tom Brady in my fantasy league doesn't mean I'm a Patriots fan.
OK, fine. But if you thought that Aaron Rodgers* was making football worse because he's only good because his team gets marginal calls in their favor because they're a "good team" and the only evidence of that that doesn't involve marginal calls is due to a massive conspiracy, you'd probably not put him on your fantasy team. Tom Brady was the beneficiary of Spygate, and now gets the benefit of shitty calls because he was good in the Spygate era. That's why, as a Jets fan, I refuse to put any Patriots player on my fantasy team, ever. It's a strategy that's worked out pretty well for me, to the tune of two league titles and a third place finish in the past three years.
By the way, I sympathize with you about the Bears having a terrible front office. The people you talk to in Chicago are right, they do need to clean house. Everybody I talk to in New York thinks their team needs to clean house. The Giants fans hedge a bit because some of the people who need to be fired have won them two Super Bowls. Us Jets fans, of course, don't have that problem.
But this is all a red herring. None of this football talk have anything to do with racist comments by Sony Pictures executives. Another topic that has nothing to do with racist comments by Sony Pictures executives is "Republicans." Rat, this woman is a Democrat, not a Republican. Democrats say racist things sometimes, and they shouldn't do it, but it shouldn't necessarily reflect badly on the Democratic Party as a whole when they do it. However, it's ridiculous to hear this story about a prominent Democrat saying something racist and think "EVERYONE WHO SAYS ANYTHING RACIST IS A REPUBLICAN."
It's ridiculous. And so here you are, right on cue.
*You mentioned elsewhere in the topic that you're from Chicago and you know a lot of Bears fans. I'm writing with the assumption that you are also a Bears fan. If not, replace the Aaron Rodgers reference with the quarterback of your team's rival.
First off, how sure is anyone that anonymous issued this promise to freely show a movie that should never have been made to begin with?
Secondly, if anonymous is able to so freely put the entire free world and mainly the US into a risky position that could conceivably start a war with North Korea, why isn't someone blasting through the non-hardened doors (guessing) of anonymous?
Thirdly, if anyone even remotely related to this anonymous hack group shows up at my door, they better bring Mike Tyson along. I don't have a beef with Mike.
Spoilers: In the end of the movie Kim Jung-un turns out to be a pretty fun guy (aside from the debauchery and keeping the population in slavery and all) and the would - be assassins don't do the dirty deed because of it. In other words the movie actually put's down America's CIA killing machine and puts Kim Jung in a far better light than he deserves.
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So then it was the CIA that hacked Sony and demanded this film be buried.
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
What's that? Sharing copyrighted movies (released or otherwise) is against the law?
Thank you, Joe_Dragon. We had absolutely no idea.
We'd better contact these Anonymous guys and let them know, right? I'm sure they would change their mind if they were made aware if this information.
Thank you for linking us to that new information from that forum post from 2003.
Illegal? In Australia, nobody has been successfully prosecuted for downloading.
It sounds lame, period. I see no reason to get upset about any of it. The movie is lame, Sony is lame, the North Korean dictator is lame. I could care less what happens to any of it. Why act like it matters in the least by making any kind of deal out of it at all? And if anyone acted cowardly here it was the theater owners who refused it. If I was Sony I'd just release it into the public domain right away to shut up the critics and move on.
Read the full transcript:
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/12/11/Amy-Pascal-and-Scott-Rudin-apologize-after-Sony-hack-exposes-racial-comments-regarding-Obama/6971418335050/
Pascal: What should I ask the president at this stupid Keffrey breakfast?
Rudin: Would he like to finance some movies?
Pascal: I doubt it. Should I ask him if he liked DJANGO?
Rudin:12 YEARS.
Pascal: Or the butler. Or think like a man? [sic]
Rudin: Ride-along. I bet he likes Kevin Hart.
So for the holidays, I'm visiting the shithole I escaped from. Think hardcore working class at best sort of area. The county I'm in, 98% of homes are worth less than $250k. And most of those are below $100k, to boot. The weather is shit. The roads are shit. People have shit jobs. They go to shit bars. Shockingly, they sometimes drink good beer, but plenty of them drink shit beer, too.
This is that 'main street' politicians like to go on about.
Anyhow, you know what people here are talking about? North Korea like it's some kind of actual threat.
You know what they're not talking about? Increasing taxes and the Federal government blowing another trillion we can't pay for.
I'm not wrapping my head with Reynolds' quite yet. Perhaps it really is that your average American has no idea that North Korea is a joke. Or that the Intertubes is all scary (WHO IS THIS 4CHAN PERSON?!). Or that you can't post a message to a forum without accidentally hacking Sony, because Sony is that fucking incompetent. Maybe it's just CNN being completely worthless as usual.
But I've got a roll of glorious aluminum ready for the haberdasher, because this seems like bread, circuses and delightful distraction.
How long till they turn this whole thing into a movie? Surely they already own the movie rights.
The 2 Stoners who made this movie had a reason for their paranoia for once.
I hope you're happy, now. You've made me cry again. How many times do I have to relive this trauma?.
Oh, and Democrats are constantly saying racist things. I live in Chicago, remember? There are Democrats here that are every bit as bad as Republicans. We live in a racist country. Racism is part of the deal. But here on the verge of 2015, at least it's a source of embarrassment, which I choose to see as progress. And only Republicans make a political strategy out of it.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Anonymous is a branch of the NSA?
Since Sony has no clue how to configure a firewall I suggest they disconnect their digital infrastructure from the internet.
Some companies have no clue. Sony USA is obviously one of them.
just think of the avg american and how dumb he is. now remember 1/2 the people are DUMBER than he is
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
Since the expedited a large portion of their facilities to AT&T who do have a working procedure, that they never follow, even the most standard datacenter practises are neglected and charge their customers too much for almost nothing, for them to change this means they need to change in management too..... which is the hardest change in any company. Good luck with changes, this will happen as soon as Google is not evil anymore!
And only Republicans make a political strategy out of it.
I don't know about that...Democrats make a political strategy out of tossing more handouts to the "poor people" in order to get their vote. They make a political strategy out of racism just as much. Democrats also love to toss out the immigration talk to encourage the Hispanic vote, but they do just as little on the immigration issue as the Republicans.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
If you speak about the sony do it right, it makes the sony mad
It'll be released eventually. You don't spend $40 million to make a movie and not release it. Especially with all the free advertising it's getting through the media.
Security is a cost vs benefit equation for a business.
In the textbooks, it is. In the real world, humans make decisions, and they are not purely rational. The whole marketing industry is based on the fact that the free market doctrine of the rational buyer is nonsense.
The board have to do what it feels is best financially for the shareholders
There, highlighted the keyword for you. Thank you for supporting my argument so strongly, that exactly is the point.
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I think this flick will become a cult classic, more for the side story than for the quality of the movie itself. It won't be a "Rocky Horror Pictureshow" but it will probably be another "Plan 9 from Outer Space"
... "When you pry the source from my cold dead hands."
You don't think the Democrats saying that the Republican Party is a party of old white men is a political strategy?
"EVERYONE WHO SAYS ANYTHING RACIST IS A REPUBLICAN."
This is not an accurate statement.
It is however accurate to say that individuals that are racist are statistically more likely to vote republican.
I would like to believe that the majority of Republicans are not openly racist. But the fact that the majority of open racists are Republicans isn't really up for debate. I'd link a bunch of research studies that show it, but I'm on the work network ;)
In addition to the racist issue, there is also the privilege issue. And with lower minority participation, the Republican party definitely skews in favor of those with privilege.
-Rick
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
It is however accurate to say that individuals that are racist are statistically more likely to vote republican.
It's ridiculous that we have to have a conversation premised on "ZOMG Republicans are racist" every time there's a news story about Democrats saying something racist, but I guess we're in to this. The Sony executive (herself a fairly prominent Democrat) we're talking about is going to see prominent Democrat Al Sharpton, leader of the National Action Network, host of an MSNBC opinion show, and adviser to President Obama on issues of Race, to get absolution for her racist comments. Here's a bunch of things Al Sharpton has said or done in the past. [1]
In 1987, Sharpton served as the attorney for Tawana Brawley, an African American teenager who accused local prosecutor Steven Pagones (who is white) of rape. She claimed she had been kidnapped, raped, and then had racial slurs written on her body in excrement. An inquiry exonerated Pagones the following year. A security guard for Brawley's legal team would later testify that Sharpton and the team knew Brawley was lying all along, and Sharpton lost a defamation lawsuit to Pagones. (Pagones, it should be noted, was a public official, which makes the standard for defamation incredibly high.)
In 1991, Sharpton eulogized at the funeral of an African American child who had been accidentally hit by a car driven by a Jewish man. There, he said that “diamond merchants” had “blood of innocent babies” on their hands. He also said, “If the Jews want to get it on, tell them to pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house.” The Crown Heights riots led to the death of Yankel Rosenbaum, an Orthodox Jewish student.
In 1995, Freddy’s Fashion Mart raised rent on a black-owned music store. That was because Freddy’s Fashion Mart had its own rent raised by a black landlord in Harlem. But that didn’t stop Sharpton from blaming Freddy’s Fashion Mart, accusing them of racism. “We will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business,” Sharpton incited. Protesters yelled, “Burn down the Jew store.” One of the protesters then shot four employees of Freddy’s and set the store on fire.
After a stripper accused three Duke lacrosse players of raping her in 2005, Sharpton turned up as her representative. He said, “I think that when you look at the racial atmosphere, when you look at the fact that there again were the allegations of racial statements, when you look at a lot of people feeling that they have been treated differently, where this girl has basically had a character charged in the media, there is a lot of racism that’s in the air..." There was certainly racism involved in the case. The prosecutor who charged the lacrosse players was found to have prosecuted them maliciously because he thought that prosecuting the rich white students would help him get re-elected in the largely poor, black city. He was found guilty of official misconduct, disbarred and sentenced to jail time.
In 2008, after ten men raped and sodomized a woman in front of her 12-year-old son, and forced the son to have sex with his own mother, four of those men were indicted. They were black. So Sharpton decided that racism was at work. “You cannot have one set of rules for acts that are wrong and horrific in Boca and another set in Dunbar Village,” Sharpton said, referring to the supposed discrepancy between justice in black areas and white areas. “You must have equal protection under the law.” All four defendants were found guilty.
After black teenager Trayvon Martin was shot and killed by Hispanic neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman, Sharpton accused Zimmerman of racism – as well as the police force of Sanford, Florida. “We are tired of going to jail for nothing and others going home for something. Zimmerman should have been arrested tha
"It's ridiculous that we have to have a conversation premised on "ZOMG Republicans are racist" every time there's a news story about Democrats saying something racist, but I guess we're in to this."
Actually, we weren't, at least, not until you decided to have this conversation.
The only thing I said was that there is a correlation between racism and conservatism. That doesn't mean that every Republican is racist, or that any specific Democrats isn't racist. That means that if you take a random sampling of people who identify as having conservative ideologies, they will be statistically more likely to also hold racist beliefs.
"Thanks to Ben Shapiro at Breitbart.com, whose list of "crazy shit Sharpton has said" I have cribbed from liberally. You can find his original piece here."
Seriously, Ben Shapiro and Breitbart are your best sources? That's like deciding what college to go to based on National Lampoons movies.
If you would like some actual scientific reading on the association between ideology, intelligence, and race views, might I recommend:
Furguson, M.J. & Hassin, R.R. (2007). On the automatic association between American and aggression for news watchers. Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, 33, 1632-1647.
And
Hodson, G. & Busseri, M.A. (2012). Bright minds and dark attitudes: Lower cognitive ability predicts greater prejudice through right-wing ideology and low intergroup contact. Psychological Science, 23, 187-195.
-Rick
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
"It's ridiculous that we have to have a conversation premised on "ZOMG Republicans are racist" every time there's a news story about Democrats saying something racist, but I guess we're in to this."
Actually, we weren't, at least, not until you decided to have this conversation. The only thing I said was that there is a correlation between racism and conservatism. That doesn't mean that every Republican is racist, or that any specific Democrats isn't racist. That means that if you take a random sampling of people who identify as having conservative ideologies, they will be statistically more likely to also hold racist beliefs.
Again, we're talking about a Democrat who said something racist. REPUBLICANS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS STORY, but every time it's news that a Democrat says something racist, we have to have a conversation about how Republicans are "statistically more likely to be racist." (You're lying about that by the way.) Why is that?
Seriously, Ben Shapiro and Breitbart are your best sources? That's like deciding what college to go to based on National Lampoons movies.
There's no Shapiro interpretation in my post, just his recounting of facts. If you'd like to argue against the facts that Shapiro brings to the table (i.e. claim Shapiro is misquoting Sharpton) that would be fine. Since you're not, this is a dopey ad homonym attack that does nothing except distract from the point. I'd appreciate it if you could address my point.
My point is that in practice, the Democratic Party earns a lot of influence by convincing minorities that "Republicans are all old, rich, white men" and "You can't trust old, rich, white men to look out for your interests." Both statements are false, and the second one is racist. One of the biggest pushers of the second idea in the Democratic Party is Al Sharpton. No one in the Republican Party owes as much to pushing racist views as Al Sharpton does. It's ridiculous that the person that the Democratic Party sends someone to for absolution for making a racist comment is Al Sharpton. People who are as racist as Al Sharpton are thought of as crazy nuts by Republicans. People who are as racist as Al Sharpton are seen by Democrats as "talk show host material."
If you would like some actual scientific reading on the association between ideology, intelligence, and race views, might I recommend:
Furguson, M.J. & Hassin, R.R. (2007). On the automatic association between American and aggression for news watchers. Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, 33, 1632-1647.
And
Hodson, G. & Busseri, M.A. (2012). Bright minds and dark attitudes: Lower cognitive ability predicts greater prejudice through right-wing ideology and low intergroup contact. Psychological Science, 23, 187-195.
You're lying about the contents of the Furugson study. Since I'm not a subscriber to Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, I can't look up the actual study. I'm fairly certain the reason you didn't link to a news story about it is because EVEN A CURSORY GLANCE AT GOOGLE will tell you that the study says THE OPPOSITE of what you're pretending it does.
This is why I linked to Breitbart, by the way. You can see where I got my information from AND SEE THAT I'M NOT LYING ABOUT IT.
Furguson and Hassan study's notices an effect that is that if you show people who "watch the news" "pro-American things" they react "more aggressively." (I can't find good definitions for how they defined any of the terms in quotes.) However, the additional aggression is unrelated to the person's ideology. Liberals and conservatives are BOTH more aggressive, as long as they "watch the news." Furguson and Hassin's actual conclusion is that people are invested in the "rightness" of their views, and that "watching the news" is an expression of their investment (because conservatives are watching Fox, and liberals are watching CNN/MSNB
"Again, we're talking about a Democrat who said something racist."
Incorrect. Someone made a ridiculous statement: "EVERYONE WHO SAYS ANYTHING RACIST IS A REPUBLICAN."
Which I rebutted. Pointing out that it was not correct.
"about how Republicans are "statistically more likely to be racist." (You're lying about that by the way.)"
And you're creating an argument where there isn't one. I never said "Republicans are statistically more likely to be racist". What you did there was take my statement, out of context, and wrapped it in your own straw man. This would be what we laymen call "lying". Now, you may disagree with me over the statistics, and that's fine. But to call me a liar because you constructed your own argument to take apart is intellectually dishonest.
"One of the biggest pushers of the second idea in the Democratic Party is Al Sharpton"
In the same way that one of the biggest pushers of the 2nd idea in the GOP is Rush Limbaugh.
In either case, the existence of Rush and Al do not refute my statistic. As individuals, they are accounted for in the minority/majority of each quantification.
"You're lying about the contents of the Furugson study. "
Seeing as how I didn't say ANYTHING about the context of the Furugson study, it's kinda hard to imagine how I would be lying about it.
Also, are you sure you read the links you posted? Including these snippets:
"Hodson and Busseri (2012) found in a correlational study that lower intelligence in childhood is predictive of greater racism in adulthood, with this effect being mediated (partially explained) through conservative ideology."
"Taken together, what do these studies suggest? Excessive exposure to news coverage could be toxic as is avoidance of open-minded attitudes and ideals."
" Low-intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, the study found."
The reason I didn't bother linking to specific news articles about these two studies is because they are so contentious. You can find the summaries of them on Huffpo or Breitbart. LiveScience or Christian Monitor. CNN or FOX. Each with significantly different spins as they attempt to describe the studies in ways that either flatters or infuriates their viewers. So yeah, I recommend reading the articles instead of some ad man's rendition of it looking for some eye bleeding headlines to drive his click-bait.
Seriously though, you are calling me a liar though you've offered no proof. You've built straw men that you have excellently destroyed. You have attempted to switch the topic, and I'm actually expecting a goal post maneuver next.
So, if you would like to debate, lets debate. If you want to parrot talking points you learnt from reading Breitbart, I'll be moving along and you can enjoy the echo chamber.
-Rick
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
I never said "Republicans are statistically more likely to be racist".
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The only thing I said was that there is a correlation between racism and conservatism... That means that if you take a random sampling of people who identify as having conservative ideologies, they will be statistically more likely to also hold racist beliefs.
(emphasis mine). Can you explain the difference?
"One of the biggest pushers of the second idea ["Old white men can't look out for the interests of minorities, so minorities vote for people of the same skin color as them"] in the Democratic Party is Al Sharpton"
In the same way that one of the biggest pushers of the 2nd idea in the GOP is Rush Limbaugh.
I devoted an entire post to Al Sharpton supporting the idea that white people won't look out for black people with quotes straight from Sharpton's mouth. You're just asserting that... what, exactly? Are you claiming that Rush Limbaugh is telling Republicans that they SHOULD do things to screw Republicans? That they should be? Some kind of inverse or converse? You didn't bother to make an argument here, and are just relying on people to connect RUSH LIMBAUGH = BAD like he's Emmanuel Goldstein or something. Idiot. If you want to claim someone says racist things, you should really give an example.
I also can't square
Seeing as how I didn't say ANYTHING about the context of the Furugson study, it's kinda hard to imagine how I would be lying about it.
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That means that if you take a random sampling of people who identify as having conservative ideologies, they will be statistically more likely to also hold racist beliefs...If you would like some actual scientific reading on the association between ideology, intelligence, and race views, might I recommend:
Furguson, M.J. & Hassin, R.R. (2007). On the automatic association between American and aggression for news watchers. Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, 33, 1632-1647.
Your entire argument, every time, boils down to "I didn't say the things I said, and so you're wrong and I'm right. Here's an ad homonym for your two minutes hate." Enjoy looking like a moron for the rest of your time on the internet.
"(emphasis mine). Can you explain the difference?"
Sure, it's called 'nuance'. You are inferring that I am making a statement about Republicans, because republicans are more likely to hold conservative ideals than non-republicans. But I am not saying that any specific Republican is racist. I am saying that of a random sampling of self-identifying conservatives, you will find more people with racist opinions than in random samplings of non-self-identifying conservatives.
My entire argument apparently boils down to your woefully inadequate reading comprehension ability and failure to recognize nuance.
"That means that if you take a random sampling of people who identify as having conservative ideologies, they will be statistically more likely to also hold racist beliefs...If you would like some actual scientific reading on the association between ideology, intelligence, and race views, might I recommend:"
This is two sentences. The first is a logical argument, one which you still have not put forth any evidence to counter. The second is a recommendation to read some scientific studies on the matter, which you openly dismissed. You then doubled down by reading mass media summaries of the studies which you completely misinterpreted and have also failed to account for.
The only thing I'm going to look like a moron for is spending my time attempting to debate with you. My bad.
-Rick
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs