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Google Unveils New Self-Driving Car Prototype

colinneagle writes In May, Google released a teaser image showing a mock-up of the autonomous vehicle it planned to build. Today, the company followed up with an image showing the finished product. Google says the first edition of its self-made self-driving car will feature "temporary manual controls as needed while we continue to test and learn." When Google introduced its prototype back in May, the company claimed its self-driving cars "won't have a steering wheel, accelerator pad, or brake pedal because they don't need them." Apparently, it still has yet to reach that point. The development is an important step forward for Google's driverless car efforts, which have been deemed impractical by many of late. Last year, the Financial Times reported that Google had difficulty finding manufacturing partners that would build vehicles featuring the self-driving capabilities used in its Prius. In that light, maybe Google's willingness to build its own hardware just to get the technology on the road means that its self-driving car team knows something the rest of the industry doesn't."

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  1. The Oatmeal Review by SydShamino · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Oatmeal posted a review of the car and state of Google's technology in general:
    http://theoatmeal.com/blog/goo...

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    1. Re:The Oatmeal Review by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      The unfortunate part of something this transformative is the inevitable, ardent stupidity which is going to erupt from the general public. Even if in a few years self-driving cars are proven to be ten times safer than human-operated cars, all it’s going to take is one tragic accident and the public is going to lose their minds. There will be outrage. There will be politicizing. There will be hashtags.
      It’s going to suck.

      Perfect response to this:

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  2. controls by technical_maven · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, the controls were added because of a California state law requirement for them, not because Goggle thought they were necessary...

  3. Butt Ugly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why Google? WHY? Why does every manufacturer of cutting edge vehicles, like EVs, have to make them so damned ugly? Why can't we get a car flavored car?

    1. Re:Butt Ugly by Xenkar · · Score: 2

      It is because the early adopters want something unique and eye-cancery. They tend to want something weird to flaunt and a normal looking car just doesn't cut it for their hipsterism.

    2. Re:Butt Ugly by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      Apparently Google did that with this particular fleet because the current design is intended to psychologically make other drivers less likely to road rage against the machine. Literally. And it makes sense too, because these only drive about 25 mph, and given that they're putting them on public roadways, it's easy to see how that might piss somebody off.

    3. Re:Butt Ugly by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 5, Informative

      Electric vehicle range is hugely affected by aerodynamic drag, particularly a highway speeds. What looks aerodynamic is surprisingly unrelated to the drag coefficient. So modern car designers do things to actually improve drag, which seem weird and ugly to you.

      The Ferrari F40, a triumph of car design in the late 80s, has a drag coefficient of 0.34. The Koenigsegg CCX has a Cd of 0.30. A 2001 Toyota Camry has a Cd of 0.29. And my Nissan Leaf has a Cd of 0.28.

      My most notably odd feature on the Leaf is the big bug eye headlights. At highway speeds, those headlights create a bubble of low pressure around the side view mirrors, significantly decreasing drag. I'm a function over form kind of guy, so I think it's awesome.

    4. Re:Butt Ugly by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Informative

      Cd isn't a useful measure. If you reduce the cross section, you lower drag. So you need to measure the total. The little squarer cars have a worse Cd, but better overall aerodynamics.

    5. Re:Butt Ugly by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2

      Quite true...

      Many people think that big trucks must be bricks in the air, but the reality is very different.

      My 2015 Yukon XL has a drag coefficient of 0.379, nearly as good as that F40.

      What is equally impressive is that it will do 0-60 in just 6.2 seconds, for a truck that is over 3 tons in weight.

      Gas mileage still sucks however, no matter what GM does to make it sound "not as bad as before".

    6. Re:Butt Ugly by justthinkit · · Score: 3, Informative

      A good point. The Cd is just one part of the Fd. And in the Fd equation, Cd (inversely related to A) is multiplied by A so that the frontal area is removed entirely from the final equation. There should be a (Cd * A) term (although even that would not be quite right...Reynolds number being yet another factor).

      It should just be Fd...

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    7. Re:Butt Ugly by fractoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Remember that the F40 and the CCX are both designed as much with down-force and high speed stability in mind as they are for low drag.

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  4. Liability? by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So if I buy a production Google car without controls, and the vehicle runs off the road and kills 20 kids in a playground, who is at fault?

    A. Me (for owning it)?

    B. Google (for shoddy programming)?

    C. The state (for allowing driverless cars)?

    D. The Kids (because they should have gotten out of the way)?

    Related question - do I need to carry insurance to use one of these cars as I am not driving, I'm merely riding?

    Essentially, what is the model for this type of vehicle - am I the 'driver', or am I 'passenger' (like on a bus or taxi)?

    If they can sort this out maybe I'll buy one someday.

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    1. Re:Liability? by Twinbee · · Score: 2

      Why can't they all have slice of the liability pie? Not everything is a boolean value.

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    2. Re:Liability? by AuMatar · · Score: 2

      You, for owning and running it. You may then have a claim against Google if you can find fault or negligence. And yes, you'll have to have insurance just like you do now. If you lend your car to your friend to drive, you're still on the hook to insure the car for damage it can do to others, you just might have a legal claim to recoup from the friend.

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    3. Re:Liability? by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      The last thing I'd want to be liable for in this litigious, passive aggressive, soccer mom ridden culture is a free range roving robot programmed by the same company that designed android's security and reliability.

  5. Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer's 2011 concept car sketch by theodp · · Score: 2, Interesting
  6. Re:Quick question... by SydShamino · · Score: 2

    The Oatmeal review I linked (looks like as first post) includes a discussion of a similar scenario, which the car handled better than many people would.

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  7. Re:Quick question... by bws111 · · Score: 2

    On my way to lunch today I was driving on a residential street, and the gas company had the road dug up. There was a guy there with a 'slow' sign indicating that the 'road' was now a few pieces of plywood on someones lawn. How do you prepare for something like that?

  8. Re:the rules changed, that's why the manual contro by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Realistically, if the car has been driving on auto with the passangers not paying constant attention (in which case, why do you have the auto controls? and people are really bad at paying constant attention to something that they can't control), do you really think that having someone grab for the wheel in an emergancy is going to do more good than harm? the big red panic button to stop the car is about all that is meanignful in any case.

    The situation they require manual controls for is when you drive into a blizzard/flood, and the car drives until it's unsafe to stop and unsafe to continue. When you give the computer the choice between two bad things, something bad will happen. The regulators would rather that bad choice be in the hands of a human, when the "fix" is to work out as many "unsafe to continue, unsafe to stop" conditions, and improve stopping before them. It's not about the instant hand-over, but the impossible situation.

  9. Re:"Haven't reached that point yet" by Twinbee · · Score: 2

    'Unfortunately', we also have a responsibility to ensure the safety of others, not just ourselves. When you drive your car, it's not just your life on the line.

    For that very reason, as soon as self-driving cars reach a critical point of safety over normal drivers (perhaps at least 25% lives saved?), it's a GOOD idea to implement it ASAP. I like controlling cars too, but the roads are not for joyrides.

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  10. Re:Quick question... by grogdamighty · · Score: 2

    The somewhat clever answer would be that the computer would have already contacted Google Maps and been rerouted around a problematic area. When the computer is making the route instead of a far less knowledgeable driver, it should be an easy thing to require all roadwork to be submitted to a central database that would inform all routing operations. In other words, this scenario is anachronistic - in the future, the routing accounts for all those weird situations.

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  11. Police waving a baton? by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2

    Just last week I encountered a cop with a lighted baton who was directing traffic from the side of the road. He would stop traffic, walk to the middle of the road while motioning people across the road with his baton, then walk off the road while waving the baton *behind his back* to signal "go ahead".

    Does the self-driving car recognize this sort of thing?

    Will it drive when there's snow on the ground?

    I think I'd keep the steering wheel and manual control - just in case..

  12. Re:Quick question... by SydShamino · · Score: 2

    Sure, machine logic has strange seemingly obvious gaps. The pedestrian trying to cross though was spot on, and half of humans would just pull out without seeing him at all.

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