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An Automated Cat Litter Box With DRM

HughPickens.com writes: Jorge Lopez had always wanted an automatic cat litter box, and finally found one called the CatGenie, a fully automated self-washing litter box connected to water, electricity and the sewer that cleans itself with water and soap. "It's the Rolls Royce of cat litter boxes, a hefty device that scoops, cleans, and disposes of the waste all on it's own. It's completely automated, even senses when a cat poops and cleans up afterwards." But there's trouble in paradise. "Life with the CatGenie was great, but not quite perfect," writes Lopez, after discovering that CatGenie uses a smart cartridge that is only available from the manufacturer. "I found that the "Smart" in SmartCartridge is that it has an RFID chip inside of it to keep track of how much solution it has, and once it runs out, well, you can't refill. I honestly did not believe this and tore one of the cartridges apart, and there it was, looking back at me, a tiny chip holding up it's little metal finger." Fortunately there are some amazing people helping the CatGenie community who have released products like the custom firmware CatGenious and CartridgeGenius, which allows you to use whatever solution you want. "The cost savings is great, but isn't the biggest driver for me, it's mainly the principle that I don't own the device I paid for, and I'm really tired of having cat litter everything in my home."

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  1. What's next? by kheldan · · Score: 5, Funny

    DRM-laden toilets?
    v1.0: Uses proprietary toilet paper and won't allow you to flush any TP that doesn't have the manufacturer-specific RFID tag in it.
    v2.0: You may only eat and drink foods specified by the manufacturer, which also contain microscopid RFID tags, which are biologically inert and pass harmlessly through your digestive tract and into your feces and urine. Detection of any other waste substances will result in Failure to Flush.
    v3.0: All RoboToiliet users must have an RFID tag implanted in their ass; others may not use the toilet. RoboToilet must be connected to AC mains power and a broadband internet connection 24/7/365, or Failure to Flush will not occur because end-user authentication will not be possible. Naturally there is an annual subscription fee, with complimentary membership in the RoboToilet Owners Club.

    I'll leave it up to you to decide what the 'owners club' is all about.

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    1. Re:What's next? by lgw · · Score: 4, Funny

      DRM-laden toilets?

      The purpose of toilets is to receive DRM. Not sure what TFS is complaining about: your cat comes along and deposits DRM in the litter-box; job well done!

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    2. Re:What's next? by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, now we know what Soylent Brown is

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    3. Re:What's next? by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Doubtful, since Canada is one of the largest TP makers in the world there's no benefit in it for us. We have an entire industry built around cutting down trees, planting new trees, and making TP from it.

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  2. Barely scratches the surface by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 2

    And to think week ago I thought that both Keurig DRM defenders vs hackers were making petty efforts over petty territories.

    1. Re:Barely scratches the surface by OhPlz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It may seem petty now, but if every device we use in our daily lives started doing this, it wouldn't so good. Keurig is a good example. You can still make coffee with a simple french press. Trouble is, the k-cups have taken over the coffee selection in a lot of groceries. Expand that into devices of all types and shopping for consumables becomes a total PITA.

    2. Re:Barely scratches the surface by hawguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It may seem petty now, but if every device we use in our daily lives started doing this, it wouldn't so good. Keurig is a good example. You can still make coffee with a simple french press. Trouble is, the k-cups have taken over the coffee selection in a lot of groceries. Expand that into devices of all types and shopping for consumables becomes a total PITA.

      That's ok, the grocery store is the worst place to buy coffee anyway, buy it at a local coffee shop that roasts their own so you know it hasn't been sitting on a shelf (or worse, non air climate controlled warehouse) for weeks or months before you buy it.

    3. Re:Barely scratches the surface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I like my coffee like I like my women.... ground up and in the freezer.

      Just kidding, that's a horrible way to keep coffee.

    4. Re:Barely scratches the surface by hawguy · · Score: 2

      I like my coffee like I like my women.... ground up and in the freezer.

      Just kidding, that's a horrible way to keep coffee.

      And women.

    5. Re:Barely scratches the surface by sjames · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unless these schemes are proven to fail again and again, there will only be more of them. If you don't want every trivial device in your life to refuse to use anything but it's own overpriced brand of expendables, one would think you would at least encourage if not otherwise support efforts like these.

  3. sigh by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The cost savings is great, but isn't the biggest driver for me, it's mainly the principle that I don't own the device I paid for, and I'm really tired of having cat litter everything in my home."

    So exercise your rights as a consumer to research beforehand and not buy it. Or return it. Or modify it, as you have. Or, for god sakes, ask your vet or friends with cats or reddit for advice on having cat litter everywhere (I believe the most common solution is a covered box with fairly high side.) You can also teach your cat to pee/crap in the toilet, believe it or not. There are little "litter box" inserts that reportedly make it pretty easy; the cat goes "oh, another litter box" and uses it for a week or two, and then you remove the insert, and if the cat notices, they go *shrug* and still use it. No more litter, no more stink.

    But for god sakes....I was around on Slashdot when the fist inkjet printer companies started chipping their cartridges. I also learned about Gillette in...either middle school or high school. That was a century ago, if not more. The "handle is free, the blades are disposable and we have a very healthy profit margin on them" model is quite, quite old. Why are people surprised? Especially if you read Slashdot, why didn't you do research on it?

    Your robotic, do-everything catbox would've cost substantially more if the company were not figuring on a continuing revenue stream. In fact, it might have cost so much that nobody would've bought it.

    1. Re:sigh by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why can't companies just price shit appropriately

      In this case the shit is free, and its the disposal that costs money.

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    2. Re:sigh by RyoShin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I believe the most common solution is a covered box with fairly high side.

      I volunteer at a cat rescue and sanctuary where the cats roam freely, and we use giant totes (>25 gal) in our main area filled about 1/4-1/3 of the way up. We still have some spill over because there are so many cats (mainly when they jump out, not from digging), but it's a sprinkling instead of a beach. High sides are a good way to go.

      Our smaller rooms use normal litter boxes, but again only filled about 1/3 of the way. Still not much spill over, but that could be because they're mostly kittens and don't have as much digging power. Most people that suffer from litter going all over are filling it too high, so it may be as simple as just putting less litter in the box at a time.

      The cover, however, might not help. The adoption counselors recommend against covered boxes: while it might seem useful to humans (between extra protection against spilling and odor filters that can be put in the top) it isn't that enticing to cats (I can't remember exactly why.)

    3. Re:sigh by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You need to know before hand what the hidden features are though. Trouble is that you can't easily find it out. If you check customer reviews you will almost always find glowing positive reviews for things just dripping with DRM. Though to be fair, when I see a glowing review I almost always think that there must be something suspicious, because no one can get that excited about a mere consumer product. Plus these reviews usually get written long before the problems are discovered, which means you have to wait a year maybe before some more honest and objective reviews show up.

      People LOVE the Blu-Ray despite the horrendous DRM it has. People still buy Origin games. People somehow are quivering with delight at Keurig despite the alternatives that don't have DRM.

      The problem here is not the high margin on replacement parts, but on the DRM itself. I can make an adapter for a Gillette razor if I wanted to without breaking any DMCA laws. Inkjet cartridges did not originally have DRM but instead just some ominous "for best results please only official parts" warnings. And of course people figure out the do-it-yourself solutions pretty quickly, until the manufacturers figure out how to change software to prevent the DIY.

      As well, with the razors, the blade is the real product and the handle is merely a free accessory. The ink cartridges require a really specialized formula (easy to replicate from a third party of course). But for a cat box cartridge it's just a plastic container full of soap and water, there's nothing special going on there except the dimensions and interfaces of the container.

      For the profits, this may work out well at first. But after awhile people will stop buying them. Negative word of mouth gets around. Maybe they make less money overall than if they just raised the base price at the start. After all, there are a lot of people out there who are perfectly willing to buy the "official" replacement cartridges.

    4. Re:sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      you had me at kitten digging power

    5. Re:sigh by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      In this case the shit is free...

      What, your cat hunts for its own food?

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  4. I don't know about you... by vettemph · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...But I am tired of this shit!

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  5. Re:Rolls Royce of cat litter boxes by hawguy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Would you take a real Rolls Royce to an unauthorized dealer for repairs?

    Seems a bit silly to me to go this expense and suddenly get stingy on the cartridges.

    The thing only costs $200, Their cartridges cost $25 for a 120 use cartridge. At 2 uses/day that's 6 cartridges/year -- so you're paying 75% of the cost of the unit in a year just for the cartridges.

    I think if Rolls Royce dealers charged $150K each year for required maintenance on a $200K Rolls Royce, there'd be few people getting service at the dealer.

  6. LitterRobot FTW! by Octorian · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are other options in this market, not all of which require proprietary consumables. We've been using the LitterRobot which, while more expensive (~$300), requires no further financial commitment to the manufacturer. You just need to buy normal cat litter and periodically replace a normal garbage bag in the base.

  7. I briefly considered CatGenie... by dfenstrate · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...But turned away because not only was the machine expensive, but the hack was another $100. I highly recommend the Litter Robot (~$370). I've had one for a few years, and it works off of standard kitchen trash bags. I have two cats and I tend to it once every 7-10 days- I refill the litter and swap out the bags, and maybe do a thorough cleaning twice a year. No BS consumables.
    Another model, Litter Maid (~$120), uses custom plastic trays. It's cheaper, but it doesn't work as well as the Litter Robot. After a few months you'll find yourself tending to it every other day. The cost of the plastic trays added up over the course of a year, but it's a non-DRM receptacle, so you can hack a cheaper 'solution' at home with a small amount of craftiness. If you do go with Litter Maid, go for the cheaper one- it actually works better than the 'Elite' model.
    But really, go for the Litter Robot. I've had mine for two or three years and I love it.

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    1. Re: I briefly considered CatGenie... by kwbauer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I highly recommend not having cats. Doing that has reduced the time I've never spent cleaning up after them to zero.

    2. Re: I briefly considered CatGenie... by dfenstrate · · Score: 2

      Well, sometimes your aunt offers you a free cat, and you're like, hey, why not, it's free! and it's still a kitten and it's cute and your girlfriend/later wife loves it. Then the cat runs around maniacally and you're like hey, that cat needs a friend. So you get another cat! It's a feral little barn kitten that came with fleas and ear mites, but it was 'free' too, and it does it's job of making the first cat behave better. So you keep feeding it.
      Then your sister in law says, hey, I've got this stray dog I can't keep because of my MS. But I love it and I want her to go to a good home. So then you get a dog, too, because you like your sister in law and don't mind dogs.
      So, there you are, two cats and a dog later. And they're good friends and good pets, and no internet crank is going to make you see the error of your ways, because the pets are furry and happy to see you.
      What was I saying? Oh, yeah, Merry Christmas!

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  8. How hard is it...? by GrahamCox · · Score: 3, Informative

    How hard is it for people to learn this ultra-simple rule. Sorry to be the grammar nazi, but every time I see this it drives my parser up the wall.

    all on it's own.

    Aaarrggh!!!!

    It's completely automated

    Correct. "it's" is a contraction of "it is".

    a tiny chip holding up it's little metal finger

    Aaaarrrgghh!!!! Doesn't make sense: "...holding up it is little metal finger".

    And to address the article itself, who even needs cat litter and all that nastiness in a house? Just let your damn cat out! They will never, ever soil in the house given a choice.

    1. Re:How hard is it...? by crabbz · · Score: 2

      The problem is that the rules of English are backwards here.

      John's = it belongs to John. it's != it belongs to "it".

      Why that is, I don't know, but it's true. I assume it's to distinguish from "it is" and "belongs to it" because you don't have the same problem with "John is" being "John's".

      An easy way to remember is that "his" and "her" don't have apostrophes either, just like "its".

    2. Re:How hard is it...? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nouns take apostrophes for the possessive. Pronouns do not.

      Now that we've completed our third-grade review lesson, can we perhaps get back to discussing DRM, or cats, or something remotely on-topic?

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  9. Re:Wait a second by aXis100 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Comprehension fail. The machine washes the granules itself, and in the process consumes sanitiser in the DRM laden cartridge.

  10. Re:Rolls Royce of cat litter boxes by hawguy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The thing only costs $200, Their cartridges cost $25 for a 120 use cartridge. At 2 uses/day that's 6 cartridges/year -- so you're paying 75% of the cost of the unit in a year just for the cartridges.

    I think if Rolls Royce dealers charged $150K each year for required maintenance on a $200K Rolls Royce, there'd be few people getting service at the dealer.

    I assume you gave up your ink-jet printer for a color lasar?

    I gave up the inkjet printer years ago - I used to use an inkjet printer for photo prints until I realized that Walgreens makes better prints than my inkjet printer can at less cost. So for at least the last 5 years, I've had a black and white laser printer. I have no real need for a color printer at home, though if I did, I'd get a color laser.

  11. Re:Rolls Royce of cat litter boxes by Layzej · · Score: 3, Funny

    We used to have an automated litter box. We called it "The Scatapult". Every so often it would launch the shit into the air rather than into the bag. Not recommended,

  12. Re:Rolls Royce of cat litter boxes by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Funny

    We used to have an automated litter box. We called it "The Scatapult". Every so often it would launch the shit into the air rather than into the bag. Not recommended,

    If Douglas Adams were alive, he'd put that in a book. That is so Sirius Cybernetics Corporation.

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  13. natural solutions by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    "completely automated, even senses when a cat poops and cleans up afterwards."

    My 10 month old Irish setter does the same exact thing. The only downside is that her breath is not really kissably-sweet afterwards.

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  14. Re:Rolls Royce of cat litter boxes by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

    If Douglas Adams were alive, he'd put that in a book. That is so Sirius Cybernetics Corporation.

    Great, you just made the automated cat litter box sad.

  15. DMCA has got to go by denis-The-menace · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is all courtesy of US' DMCA law.

    DRM Ink and toner cartridges
    DRM Keurig 2.0 coffee makers

    It's only going to get worse without push back.

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    1. Re:DMCA has got to go by denis-The-menace · · Score: 2, Informative

      I know you are being facetious here.

      Abuse of DMCA started with 3rd party garage door openers:
      https://www.google.com/search?...

      Then with inkjet and toner refills:
      https://www.google.com/search?...
      https://www.google.com/search?...

      Keurig is next:
      https://www.google.com/search?...

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  16. Re:Rolls Royce of cat litter boxes by davester666 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Man, what a ripoff. There were ZERO baby pics at the link.

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  17. Re:Rolls Royce of cat litter boxes by infolation · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Well the article includes a car analogy...

    "CatGenie can't run without SaniSolution, like a car can't run without petrol." is often heard. But that's a flawed analogy and an insult to most people's intellect because it's the laws of physics that prevent a car from running without petrol, but it's a flaky business model that prevents CatGenie from running without SaniSolution.

    But a better car analogy would be: "CatGenie can't run without SaniSolution, like a car can't run without Esso."

    So if you want to use BP, Shell, or Total in your car - no can do.

  18. I've seen similar. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I own a product called a Flash Powermop. Here in the UK, Flash is a manufacturer of cleaning products. It's just a mop with replacable heads and a squirter in the handle that can deposit cleaning fluid when a button is pressed.

    It doesn't have DRM - it has old-fashioned mechanical limitations. The cleaning fluid comes in an official Flash powermop cartridge. Much old an ancient inkjet printer, the cartridge has only one port, and it's mechanically designed to only dock with the corresponding port on the mop. They really made it solid too, so you can't force it open to refill an empty cartridge. It's basically a rubbery window - the mop has two hollow needles that pierce it. One to let air in, one to get fluid out.

    So I cut a hole in the top of the bottle and silicone-sealed the screwtop from a soft drink bottle over it. Now I have a refill board, and an everlasting cartridge. I enough people do this, I'll expect the Powermop 2 to come with a chip in the bottle that records how much has been dispensed.

  19. Ewww...train your cats... by bradley13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    On a related note, he notes that the cat litter sticks to his cats paws, and he really dislikes finding cat litter particles on his kitchen counters, tables, chopping boards, etc.

    Ewww... Why don't people train their cats properly. It's not hard. My cats do not enter the kitchen, and all tables are also off limits. Teach them the rules when they are kittens. Afterwards, maybe once every year or two, you'll need to remind them that the rules haven't changed.

    How to train? You just let them understand that there is a really odd law of nature: going in the kitchen or hopping on a table causes them to get wet. Squirt gun, pans of water set back from the table edge, whatever. Don't yell or anything - you don't want them to associate the water with you, but with the location they tried to go. Easy, and well worth it...

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    1. Re:Ewww...train your cats... by eam · · Score: 2

      Heck, training is even easier than that. Just install this in the kitchen:

      http://www.amazon.com/Scarecro...