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How Target's Mobile App Uses Location Tech To Track You

An anonymous reader writes Big-box retailers are figuring out how to use mobile apps to drive in-store sales, but they're also concerned about privacy. To see how they're doing, Xconomy took Target's app for a spin on one of the busiest shopping days of the year. The app uses indoor location-mapping technology from a startup called Point Inside. The verdict? The app saved a few minutes in locating items around the store, but it would work better if it knew where shoppers (and the items on their lists) are at any time. With Apple's iBeacons set to roll out more widely, retail privacy will be a hot issue in 2015.

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  1. Already in Europe too by twitnutttt · · Score: 1

    They even already have customer traffic profiling in Europe (which is usually a year or two, at least, behind the US in tech). https://business.styloola.com/

    1. Re:Already in Europe too by peragrin · · Score: 0

      Europe, Japan, Korea, etc passed the USA for most tech a while ago. The USA is no longer the latest and greatest but instead go for cheap knock offs.

      Generations of paying people bottom dollar for hard work and top dollar for doing nothing.

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    2. Re: Already in Europe too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe the OP meant in the way of exploitative surveillance tech which is where the USA and its corporate masters reign supreme.

      The better to watch over us with.

    3. Re:Already in Europe too by twitnutttt · · Score: 1

      Europe, Japan, Korea, etc passed the USA for most tech a while ago. The USA is no longer the latest and greatest but instead go for cheap knock offs.

      Generations of paying people bottom dollar for hard work and top dollar for doing nothing.

      Asia, sure, could be. But no way is Europe ahead of the US in tech. There was an Internet tech conference in Paris this year where they had a session that was literally just telling stories about what those crazy amazing businesses in California were doing with the Internet. Like paying with PayPal at the cashier!!! ATM's that email you!

    4. Re:Already in Europe too by twitnutttt · · Score: 1

      Europe, Japan, Korea, etc passed the USA for most tech a while ago. The USA is no longer the latest and greatest but instead go for cheap knock offs.

      Oh? Please show me a country in western Europe where I can order online and pickup in the store!

    5. Re:Already in Europe too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh? Please show me a country in western Europe where I can order online and pickup in the store!

      www.leclercdrive.fr

      been there for only 8 years

  2. Privacy indépendant from beacons by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Informative

    What matters is not if an app can tell where you are in the store, but if and when the app shares that information with a server. I don't care what information an application collects, if the data stays in-app.

    Of course the great likelihood is that an app that collects that information will probably send that to a server, at the very least to query for specifics around you... but a smart app developer could provide a privacy option for users while still gaining benefit from iBeacons and the like.

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    1. Re:Privacy indépendant from beacons by davester666 · · Score: 3

      These apps, fitness tracking apps, car monitoring apps, they all COULD work just fine without uploading everything to the vendor's server. But now, vendors have the belief that you didn't pay enough when you purchase merchandise from them. You need to further monetized, by selling information about you to other companies.

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  3. yea no by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

    There's no reason to shop at a retailer unless you're desperate and need something now. Even the more overpriced online retailers kill brick and mortar on price. Local retailers are closing left and right near me. The mall, which had a 3 lane exit built for it just a few years ago because lines to the parking lot would block the interstate around the holidays, is now a ghost town. Back in the 1990's they kicked out any retailer that wasn't trendy like The Gap or Banana republic, so the stores that made the mall interesting are gone. Radioshack is nothing more than a cellphone kiosk now. Now those interesting retailers have moved to our long vacant downtown (ironically killed off by the mall!) Those unique boutique shops are the only way retail will survive the next 5 to 10yrs and you can guarantee location tracking is the last thing on their minds.

    Retailed killed itself, and this "Surveillance" is just a further example of how they just don't get it.

    1. Re: yea no by alen · · Score: 0

      Obviously you haven't shopped at best buy or toys r us lately. They kill Amazon on price and selection

    2. Re: yea no by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Obviously you haven't shopped at best buy or toys r us lately. They kill Amazon on price and selection

      So Best Buys Book section is better than Amazons? And their Jewelry? Cutlery? Clothing?
      Oh wait, they don't have any of that stuff... I'd better go check Toys R Us... lol

      And on price? Yes, I have been to Best Buy lately... I went to get a network cable to replace a broken one. It was $29.99 for a single cable. They had much cheaper ones on their website but they're not available locally. And the cables they had at the store weren't listed on the website.

      So I suspect you're comparing their websites... ok... but that's basically the same service. The store has entirely different products and different prices and it's worthless.

    3. Re:yea no by RabidReindeer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's no reason to shop at a retailer unless you're desperate and need something now

      Sometimes it's actually nice to fondle the merchandise. There's only so much you can get out of an online catalog, especially since the pictures are usually pretty poor.

      I was beginning to believe the Radio Shack mantra, until I wandered into my neighborhood store the other day. They had an impressive array of sensors and kits for stand-alone, Rasberry Pi, Basic Stamp and Arduino, as well as the aforementioned systems themselves. Also the LittleBits stuff, including the Korg synth.

      Plus essential cables, connectors and adapters, various useful batteries for UPS's, alarm systems and Roomba.

      Oh yeah. And cell phones. And a handful of TVs.

      And a whole rack full of soldering irons. And the parts cases.

      So they're not quite as useless as they've been made out to be.

      As for price, I'm not so impoverished that getting the Low Price Always is the overriding criteria for my purchasing decisions.

    4. Re:yea no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > There's no reason to shop at a retailer unless you're desperate and need something now.

      I shop brick and mortar because they take cash and they don't ask for my name, address and phone number.

    5. Re:yea no by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      They're not what they were 14 years ago when I worked there, either. They were starting their decline around that time and I'm surprised they've lasted this long, honestly. Sad, I loved the place as a kid, which is why it was one of my first jobs as an adult (my first was within walking distance until I could afford a car).

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    6. Re: yea no by alen · · Score: 1, Troll

      book, i buy kindle
      i would never buy expensive jewelry from amazon. my wife buys some cheapo stuff from B&M because you can touch it and look at it and it's nice to take a walk sometimes.
      Cutlery?, i have had the same knives i bought from Williams and Sonoma for the last 10 years
      clothing, B&M since it's easier to return it if it doesn't fit but my wife buys kid's shoes online and not from amazon because they are too expensive

      i'll buy blu rays from best buy because i can do it on the way home from work and there is always a decent one on sale. they had a better BF sale than amazon and i bought a bunch of movies and games and my mom bought 2 games as gifts for the kids

    7. Re: yea no by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 0

      You can buy cat-5 and cat-6 by the foot @ Lowes (and Home Depot), the connectors and crimping tool can be had for cheap and are basically one-time expenses. Why would you go to Best Buy or Amazon for such a thing?

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    8. Re:yea no by Megane · · Score: 2

      I was beginning to believe the Radio Shack mantra, until I wandered into my neighborhood store the other day. They had an impressive array of sensors and kits for stand-alone, Rasberry Pi, Basic Stamp and Arduino, as well as the aforementioned systems themselves. Also the LittleBits stuff, including the Korg synth.

      They made some effort to get on the Maker bandwagon a few years ago. I think it's only now starting to pay off, where the geeks (like me) are discovering that they actually have some interesting stuff again. Sure, you'll pay a few bucks more than web-order, but you'll get it right away, even on a Sunday. But then again, there's a Fry's ten minutes from where I live, and just their components section alone puts RS to shame. Silly RS closed the two stores near me (one because the strip mall people wouldn't move their sign up into vacated spaces from stores that left), but kept the one across the street from Fry's.

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    9. Re:yea no by Megane · · Score: 1

      I shop brick and mortar because they take cash and they don't ask for my name, address and phone number.

      It only took RS thirty or so years to get that clue.

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    10. Re: yea no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cheap network gear is getting retired from shelves in favor of online-only mailers or ship-to-store... It's a pain when non-tech friends heard me say "pick up the $19.99" router for my late-afternoon emergency housecall. The in-person models are very different and start at $15 to $30 more dollars --with an emphasis on overkill gamer routers costing $120+. Because nics and Wifi routers only get replaced upon failure or when ISP gear incorporates functions into their modems (like multi-ports, G wifi and SPI firewalls), I am starting to replace hardware with nexpectedly old dates and odd failures

      When I want to future proof them, explaining the $ markups matching my desired featured sets (5Ghz Wifi N was an $80+ choice last I looked, and AC is replacing it similar to the unneeded 16:9 rival to our beloved highres 4:3).
      Unguided folks end with cheapo-related stupidity like one Netgear that had NO dhcp control. Caused me headaches with a printer that selfassigned a different IP every few days.

    11. Re:yea no by cusco · · Score: 1

      That's the difference between mall-located and non-mall Radio Shacks. Go into the Radio Shack in the local mall and they'll have cell phones, HDMI cables, and not much else. Just as well, no one in that store would know what a serial cable or a resistor was.

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    12. Re: yea no by Agripa · · Score: 1

      This is basically what I did long ago although I prefer stranded cable. One thing to watch out for is that the cheap plastic crimpers have a tenancy to crack leading to unreliable crimp connections. For about $50 you can get a much better crimper like a Greenlee 45553 which I have or Paladin Tools 1545 or 1387.

  4. Just tell Me Where Stuff is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I don't need to be tracked. All I want to know is where stuff is. I really like Home Depot's website, anytime I need to buy stuff there I make a list, look it up with prices and aisle/shelf info, cut--n-paste it all into an email that I send from my desktop to my phone. It is sooo much of a time saver that I find myself not even considering going to Lowes because they don't have location info on their website. Now, if only I could figure out how to make the home depot location stuff work without having to disable ghostery and requestpolicy.

    Walmart's smartphone app has similar location info, but it isn't available on their website which I find personally insulting. Like they choose to deliberately make me waste time because I don't want to be data-mined. It would be one thing if it cost them extra to provide that data, but they obviously have it and are just choosing to not share it. Plus, I'm now old enough to need reading glasses and so few apps are able to zoom up in a way that lets me read all the details without glasses. Ignorant 20-something designers don't even realize they are pushing customers away.

  5. omg, a store will know where I am by alen · · Score: 2

    Inside their store if I had installed their app to help me buy their stuff

    Of course, if this was fry's telling geeks how to find their on sale hard drives faster so they can store more porn and pirated movies it would be so awesome

    But this is target

    1. Re:omg, a store will know where I am by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      In Target stores Target targets YOU!

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    2. Re:omg, a store will know where I am by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Walmart vs Target is today's political the, irony anybody...

    3. Re:omg, a store will know where I am by alen · · Score: 1

      it was horrible on black friday. Target knew I was looking for Lego's when i looked them up on the app in store to check the location. even worse, they tracked me to the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles aisle that was cleaned out by the time i got there around 9pm

    4. Re:omg, a store will know where I am by xeoron · · Score: 1

      Disable access permissions to location data using the program Advanced Permissions on Android, or turn your GPS off. Turn off Wifi so they won't track your Mac address. No more location tracking, problem solved.

    5. Re:omg, a store will know where I am by alen · · Score: 2

      why would i care about Target tracking me through their app inside their store when i'm going to pay by credit card that is in my name anyway?

      better they track me so they put stuff i buy up front rather than me having to walk through the whole store

    6. Re:omg, a store will know where I am by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Of course, if this was fry's telling geeks how to find their on sale hard drives faster so they can store more porn and pirated movies it would be so awesome

      I'm pretty sure that the same people who have a problem with Target tracking every thing they stop and look at in the store would also be pretty unhappy with Fry's knowing anything about their porn interests.

    7. Re:omg, a store will know where I am by alen · · Score: 1

      Fry's doesn't care what type of porn you watch. all they have to know is WHO buys the big hard drives and match it up with a few other data points to market to you. stuff like pre ordering digital copies of video games to play them the second they go live and whine about server issues

    8. Re:omg, a store will know where I am by Macdude · · Score: 2

      better they track me so they put stuff i buy up front rather than me having to walk through the whole store

      I don't think you understand how they think, they'll put the stuff you buy at the back so that you have to walk through the entire store. In their minds the more stuff you walk past, the more likely you are to buy something on a whim. It's why the milk is always at the back of the grocery store.

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    9. Re:omg, a store will know where I am by BronsCon · · Score: 1
      I was going to fully agree with your comment, until I read this gem:

      better they track me so they put stuff i buy up front rather than me having to walk through the whole store

      You think they'll bring the products you want to the front of the store just because they see that you buy them a lot? That's naively cute. It's also dead wrong.

      They want you to walk through the whole store. That's how they convince you to spend more. The 2 items you're there for are almost guaranteed to be at the back of the store, on opposite sides, once they start tracking you, for that very reason. Enjoy.

      Of course, they do the same thing now based entirely on sales records. This will just make it more efficient by allowing them to determine where mot people travel before finding what they're looking for, so they can optimize placement of high-margin impulse buys for customers who aren't walking the entire store.

      I'm fine with this, anyway, as I've started running my household budget the same way I run my business budget: a PO for every purchase. For household, I do attach a discretionary budget to each PO, so if I see some new product I want to try, I can, but I can't fill my cart with every piece of crap they line the aisles with. The only exception to this is entertainment; if I'm actually setting out to blow money on shit I don't need, trust me when I say I know how to do that.

      It hasn't killed the fun of shopping, either; I still shop. A lot. I just don't buy unless I've filled out a household PO, which actually makes the shopping trip more enjoyable, as I don't have to think about budget or if I have room in the car for whatever I'm looking at; it simply doesn't matter, it's not coming home with me today, anyway. If I absolutely must have it right now, I can always talk to my wife and we can agree on a provisional PO for that item. That works both ways, too, and has stopped her from coming home with several-hundred dollar purses on a whim (while giving me a list of awesome gift ideas); and she knows all she really has to do is come home, fill out a PO, and go buy it, so if she really wanted it that badly, she would.

      Try it. You might get into it.

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    10. Re:omg, a store will know where I am by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, we get it Charlie. Give your sockpuppet a rest.

    11. Re:omg, a store will know where I am by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      and has stopped her from coming home with several-hundred dollar purses on a whim

      But does it work for shoes?

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    12. Re:omg, a store will know where I am by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      It works for everything. It's greatly reduced the number of regrettable purchases (there are still products that look good in the store but turn out to be complete garbage) and completely eliminated regrettable impulse purchases.

      You have to be willing to hold yourself to the PO system, though; you won't know until you try.

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    13. Re:omg, a store will know where I am by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      My system is a bit different since I'm single:

      1. Is it on my list of things to buy? If yes, buy it, if not goto 2
      2. Is it on sale at a significant reduction? If no, don't buy it. If yes, goto 3
      3. Will I need it at some point in the future? If no, don't buy it. If yes, buy it.

      It has to be really, really awesome for me to ignore this procedure, simply because I've given away so many impulse buys on sale that I never ended up using.

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    14. Re:omg, a store will know where I am by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      That's a great system. It's actually what I did before the PO system, and it worked well until I met my wife. She has an interesting definition of "need". ;)

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    15. Re:omg, a store will know where I am by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Fry's doesn't care what type of porn you watch.

      You seem to have a very poor grasp of how Big Data works. Facebook has a $200B valuation based purely on being an enormous Big Data broker. 200 billion dollars based on the "collect it all" philosophy. That is the kind of scale the industry operates at.

      The fact is that any incidental information that can be collected will be collected in the off chance that someone can figure out how to monetize it. Even if they can't figure out what to do with it, they are still going to keep it around indefinitely because storage is so cheap and maybe tomorrow will be the day they do figure it out. I still get spam sent to email addresses I haven't used for 15 years. The industry never forgets.

    16. Re:omg, a store will know where I am by Hognoxious · · Score: 0

      Next time you're there look for a keyboard with a working shift key.

      P.S. There's no plural of Lego, and even if there was it wouldn't have an apostrophe.

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    17. Re:omg, a store will know where I am by cusco · · Score: 1

      The fun of shopping??? The only think that I find fun about shopping is when I have figured out how to get out of doing it. When our nieces were still in town Rosa would go with them and I didn't have to deal with it often, but now they've moved.

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    18. Re:omg, a store will know where I am by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      I love shopping. I hate pushing my way through the inconsiderate and unaware masses at stores like Target and Walmart. There's a difference; one brings me some enjoyment and the other makes me wonder if prison would really be that bad.

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  6. Re:Privacy independant from beacons by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

    Welcome to the end of the personal computer era. In the future, none of your programs will be able to run without connecting to a server somewhere, sometime.

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  7. WTF? by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    1) The /. article is titled: "How Target's Mobile App Uses Location Tech To Track You" (highlight mine).
    Yet the article and the conclusion is that this app doesn't track you because of hyper sensitivity to privacy, even though their experience and most surveyed users WANT that feature. So, clickbait headline or didn't you even RTFA yourselves?

    2) "I have an aversion to shopping in general, and large-format retail in particular. While I think I have a strong sense of direction most of the time, put me inside of a big box store with its scores of aisles and the sometimes impenetrable logic of its layout, and I get turned around and frustrated right quick. I tend to avoid this kind of shopping, opting instead for the convenience of online purchases or smaller bricks-and-mortar stores that Iâ(TM)m familiar with or that offer a more curated experience." OK, we know you're a condescending douche, got it. We understand that you don't go to these sorts of places, probably because you're tragically hip. Editors at Xconomy: asleep at the switch? Maybe cull out this sort of patronizing crap from reviews?

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    1. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > Yet the article and the conclusion is that this app doesn't track you because of hyper sensitivity to privacy,

      The problem here is that it is unknowable. Even if they promise not to track people they will always qualify that promise in two ways:

      (1) They reserve the right to unilaterally change their mind at any point in the future as long as they publish some fine-print somewhere in a corner of their website
      (2) They still track people, but they claim to anonymize the data. Anyone who has been paying attention knows that there is no such thing as anonymized tracking. At the very best it is just tracking that hasn't be de-anonymized yet.

      It is like all those web trackers that let you "opt out" when in fact you can't opt out of being tracked, you can only opt out of having them rub your face in the fact that they are tracking you.

    2. Re: WTF? by Fwipp · · Score: 1

      What kind of person can't navigate a big-box store? The aisles only run front-back or left-right. If you find yourself turned around, just... turn around.

    3. Re: WTF? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      Maybe he was talking about IKEA. Those stores seem like they are designed after mazes. Whenever I'm in there, I always get lost and can't find my way out. Every other store, though, no problem.

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    4. Re: WTF? by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      Wut... IKEA is a single corridor. You keep walking, and you get to the end and leave... It even has arrows on the floor pointing to the way out all the way around. It's literally the single hardest store to get lost in ever.

    5. Re: WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you're in the middle and just want to leave. Following the maze around to the end isn't what everyone wants to do.

    6. Re: WTF? by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      1) Following the maze around is trivially easy, and takes 5 minutes at most
      2) They provide you with a map, and the locations of shortcuts, which are also trivially easy to find.

      Something tells me you're the kind of person who can't manage to follow IKEA's simple instructions to assemble lego^Wfurniture either.

    7. Re: WTF? by cusco · · Score: 1

      Probably can't read a map either. I'm amazed at the number of people who can't, even those who grew up before the GPS era. I've worked with people who couldn't stand on the corner of NE 10th Street and 5th Avenue SE and know which way to go to get to NE 18th St and 20th Ave NE. It just astounds me.

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    8. Re:WTF? by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Even that I agree with you about what is possible or even likely, doesn't change the fact that the article is patently NOT about "How Target's Mobile App Uses Location Tech To Track You"

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    9. Re: WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the Ikeas I've been in are just basically a Hilbert curve (or a finite number of iterations of the generating algorithm at least)

  8. retail privacy will be a hot issue in 2015 by koan · · Score: 2

    Shut your phone off and pay cash... you fucking sheep.

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    1. Re:retail privacy will be a hot issue in 2015 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Russian hackers have devolped a technique to download the Benjamins direct from your wallet.

  9. App Permissions by Dorianny · · Score: 1

    On Andorid. Root, install Xposed framework. install Xprivacy from the Xposed repository and enjoy fine grain control to app permissions.

  10. iBeacon isn't a privacy issue alone by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 1

    iBeacon helps your phone find itself and thus you. It doesn't let others map your phone.

    A merchant could make a system which finds you using iBeacon by self reporting. That is your phone finds itself and then an app on your phone tells the merchant. So if you want to find yourself, you can using iBeacon. If you don't want to, you don't. If you want the retailer to know where you are, you run their app which reports your location using iBeacon. If you don't want to, you don't.

    The other kinds of systems which track your WiFi signal around the store, where you are tracked without opting in, those are more likely to create privacy issues. Target already uses these kinds of systems.

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  11. XPrivacy (nt) by allo · · Score: 2

    no text

  12. As an added bonus... by um.yup. · · Score: 1

    The app will detect when you know what product you want and inform store associates to harass you and ask if you need any help... ...and detect when you're lost and tell the employees it's their lunch break.

  13. Saving you time isn't their goal by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

    Most stores don't want to minimize your time in the story. I think they want to maximize the time you spend near high-margin impulse-buy items, and up-sells of the items you originally intended to buy.

    If I was a sleazy developer of software like this, and especially if I had access to the customer's whole shopping list, I'd send them on a pretty different path than their ideal one.

  14. Big data is scary enough already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the book The Power of Habit, Target is an example of how a company can already track you and your buying habits to the point of knowing when a woman is pregnant long before she herself knows. Some women have discovered they were pregnant only after receiving targeted discount coupons for formula and disposable diapers.

    Now they want to track you via an app too? Will it extend to what you do outside of target stores?

    As my grandchildren are likely to say: "Privacy? Whazzat?"