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Doxing -- Something To Expect More of In 2015

HughPickens.com writes: When asked about trends to expect in 2015, Bruce Schneier points to doxing as a likely candidate. Doxing is not new, dating back to at least 1987 when Robert Bork's video tape rentals were leaked to the press. Usually it's things like an address and phone number, but it can also be credit card details, medical information, private e-mails—pretty much anything an assailant can get his hands on. "Everyone from political activists to hackers to government leaders has now learned how effective this attack is. Everyone from common individuals to corporate executives to government leaders now fears this will happen to them. And I believe this will change how we think about computing and the Internet."

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  1. What is doxing? by pr0nbot · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those too lazy to google:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    1. Re: What is doxing? by jsh1972 · · Score: 2

      I use hotbot you insensitive clod!

  2. Re:at the moment the only trend by Spad · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's hardly a new word, it's been in active use for the best part of 10 years.

  3. The problem with doxing by Solandri · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is that everyone has some skeletons in the closet they're hiding. Yours might not be as severe as someone else's, or it may be from back when you were a stupid teen. But there's something that would embarrass you or tarnish your reputation if it were made public. Maybe you tried smoking weed in college, or you had sex with your high school GF when she (and you) were technically underage, or all manner of other things.

    So if facts uncovered by doxing becomes accepted as legitimate grounds for disqualification, then the only people who will get the good job positions or get elected will be the liars who are exceptionally good at covering up their history or shifting blame onto others.

    Instead, what needs to happen is for people to stop demanding perfection from others. Everyone is human, and humans are fallible. Someone who claims to have never failed, to have always done the right thing, is almost certainly a liar, a con artist.. That's what should raise suspicion about someone's fitness for a job or elected office - the absence of any skeletons in the closet. If society can change to where we accept that we're all flawed and that a few flaws shouldn't automatically disqualify us, then doxing largely becomes irrelevant and IMHO our world will become a much nicer place.

    1. Re:The problem with doxing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "So if facts uncovered by doxing becomes accepted as legitimate grounds for disqualification, then the only people who will get the good job positions or get elected will be the liars who are exceptionally good at covering up their history or shifting blame onto others. "

      Huh? The ones who get elected already cover up everything. At least they try. They lie all the time. Doxing is what keeps them on their toes. So I REALLY hope it doesn't stop. I hope it increases. A lot.

    2. Re:The problem with doxing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How can I dare to hire a person who has done something wrong/strange/other before when parts of the internet might run your business into the ground for it. Not just anonymous but tumblr, religious groups, gamers or housewifes.
      When people will get you fired for writing a comic strip that 99% of the population think is okay because a few from a extrem group raise their voices.
      I don't care if it's a religous group or 14 year old boys, but the problem is more that we shouldn't listen to those who scream the loudest about things. It's hard to solve, yes maybe large corperations could stop listening to the group that screams the loudest even if it's very few of them. But a single person or a small business don't have much means of defending themselfs.

      So yes it's a problem but to be honest, I can't think of many solutions that are better. Demanding that humanity should change is nice but not very realistic, we have the same wars we had 2000 years ago.

    3. Re:The problem with doxing by ciascu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I heard a story once about a PhD who was presenting their first year's progress. There were no problems, everything had gone to plan and on time, unlike the rest of their office mates, who had followed false leads, made mistakes with mixing chemicals and so forth. At the presentation, after all of the productive work was outlined and a few cursory questions addressed, one of the more senior staff put up their hand and asked "What unexpected problems did you come across?" The response was "Nothing - it all proceeded as planned." After some investigation, it turned out an experienced postdoc had actually done most of the work and coached the candidate through their first year.

      Like many good murder mysteries, something can seem "too perfect" - then you can find the needle much faster than searching through a haystack of mistakes.

    4. Re:The problem with doxing by geekmux · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is that everyone has some skeletons in the closet they're hiding. Yours might not be as severe as someone else's, or it may be from back when you were a stupid teen. But there's something that would embarrass you or tarnish your reputation if it were made public. Maybe you tried smoking weed in college, or you had sex with your high school GF when she (and you) were technically underage...

      Uh, if you were searching for examples by which to embarrass the Legalize It generation of social media narcissists who defines relationships with Tinder, you better keep looking. These sure as hell won't do it.

    5. Re: The problem with doxing by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If someone is a celebrity, they get to have an ongoing dialog with the public. If you create an ugly first impression around a person by cherry picking their lives for dirt, they don't have the same opportunity. Don't you think that's an important difference?

      Having a criminal record that can be checked by those who have a personal interest in researching your character isn't the same as having someone run around shouting that you are a thief to everyone. Maybe it happened a long time ago and you're a changed man.

      But generating shame by focusing busy strangers attention on an ugly part of your life, causing an impression to be formed in a vacuum by people who had no interest in knowing the details in the first place and who will never learn when and why to let go of that... That is truly horrible, and we need to put a stop to it.

      Openness in general makes everyone safer, but people who shame others by name make life worse for us all.

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    6. Re:The problem with doxing by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      But society has changed and is changing, and is far more accepting of deviancy. Not too long ago if you were gay you needed to keep that secret from your employer or you might get fired. Today, if your boss finds out your gay and fires you, he and his company can expect an unholy shitstorm heading their way.

      Have the dirty pictures of young actresses filched off iCloud had any lasting negative effects on their careers? That whole thing has blown over, and the media was more concerned with how awful it was their privacy was invaded than with the fact they took the pictures to begin with.

      Social change has been rapid in the last 20 years or so. 15 years ago gay marriage was not a thing. Now it's a "right" and how dare you be opposed! I don't think it's unforeseeable that in another decade people's browser histories, sex tapes, etc aren't even going to be a blip on the radar.

      Now if you're talking about illegal shit, well...then yeah, don't commit crimes. And if you're upset people would get doxed over drugs, that's a problem with the drug laws themselves. But if your crime is insurance fraud or diddling underage boys, doxing is appropriate and welcome. It's not okay to commit crimes as long as nobody knows about it.

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    7. Re:The problem with doxing by meta-monkey · · Score: 3, Funny

      Also, inside each of us is a spooooOOOooooky skeleton!

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    8. Re: The problem with doxing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe it happened a long time ago and you're a changed man.

      The entire premise of the American injustice system is that nobody ever changes and once you get caught doing something you're forever a criminal and can't be trusted with anything ever.

      Unless of course you're rich and/or famous. Then it's OK.

  4. SJWs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Social justice warriors LOVE to fox people and threaten them and their employers if they dare have differing points of view (all while claiming to be the VICTIMS of doxxing, themselves).

    1. Re:SJWs by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 2

      This has happened so often its not even funny.

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  5. Re:at the moment the only trend by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

    Languages evolve. Deal with it.

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  6. Re:at the moment the only trend by rasmusbr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is there a shorter or more descriptive word / phrase that you can use to describe the practice of leaking personal information in order to attack or retaliate against someone you don't like?

    Docsing or doxing sounds like a good way to express that concept.

  7. Re:at the moment the only trend by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    used by people precisely because it's not mainstream.

    "Subdural haematoma" isn't mainstream either, but doctors don't just use it because they're hipsters.

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  8. Re:That is not doxing by SpzToid · · Score: 2

    Doxing is what has just happened to Sony Pictures & Entertainment big-time. Variety and The Hollywood Reporter have been reporting on email contents (as I understand the situation, but don't really know first-hand), and SPE have sent lawyers telling Variety, etc. those emails can't be published due to copyright ownership; which is another matter open to debate. We're talking emails between C-level types and million-dollar A-List Hollywood types. The Wikileaks of Hollywood if you will.

    Twitter lawyers have even had to weigh in as has been reported in Slashdot (as I recall).

    To make matters worse, while the Microsoft mail files were uploaded en masse to sites like Pastebin, all sytsems were wiped at SPE so all their records were lost. SPE has had to request 2nd-parties to photocopy their contracts so Sony could still retain a copy. https://www.tmz.com/2014/12/27...

    Here's how bad it's gotten. Sony's files have been wiped clean, and we're told the studio is now calling agents and lawyers who represent Sony big wigs, asking them to make copies of deals and proposed contracts that they can send back.

    SPE got Doxed to the maximum extent possible.

    What I'd like to know is how many companies STILL want to be a Microsoft Shop(tm), given recent events?

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  9. It's new to me by rmdingler · · Score: 2
    One of the tantalizing perks of Slashdot, for me, is that I regularly run across something here I am unfamiliar with.

    Bonus round... doesn't happen that often at work or play or grocery shopping.

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  10. Re:at the moment the only trend by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

    It's jargon in active use, used by people precisely because it's not mainstream.

    Exactly. It currently carries the scent of newness, youth culture, "in the know" trendiness. To deny that is silly.

    Maybe someday it will just be a useful everyday word. Not yet.

  11. Gamergate Doxxing by Kunedog · · Score: 4, Informative

    TFA mentions Gamergate in the context of the doxxing but all the victims mentioned just happen to be on the anti-GG side (innocent mistake, I'm sure).

    Pro-GG people have been doxxed:
    http://imgur.com/BNlLKcn

    So was the creator of #notyourshield, and his workplace was harassed until he was fired:
    https://twitter.com/Moldybars/...
    http://i.imgur.com/9ieHMu9.png

    A prominent anti-GGer called for the doxxing of all Gamergate supporters: http://i.gyazo.com/5db582013ac...

    At least the pro-GG makes an effort to detect, condemn, and report this shitty behavior, no matter which side it comes from.

  12. Re:That is not doxing by mvdwege · · Score: 2

    there is no such thing as "clickbait fallacy".

    Yes there is. 'Clickbait fallacy' is a dog whistle phrase in the same vein as 'Social Justice Warrior' or 'political correctness'. It signifies that the poster is a reactionary white manchild who thinks the person harrassed by the 'doxing' "had it coming".

    <Looks at OP UID> Oh look, it's epyT-R. QED.

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  13. Re:at the moment the only trend by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 2

    Since this appears every second week on a medical procedural show it actually is mainstream.

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  14. Sigh, yet more lazy buzzwords. by danknight48 · · Score: 2

    Or, we could use the correct wording for each situation, brought to you by one of those English dictionary's you had at school.

    Usually it's things like an address and phone number, but it can also be credit card details, medical information, private e-mails—pretty much anything an assailant can get his hands on

    Pretty simple: Identity Theft.

    1. Re:Sigh, yet more lazy buzzwords. by danknight48 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Um... No. Identity theft is using someone else's identity, not just obtaining information about them.

      Incorrect
      Go read: http://www.actionfraud.police....

      "Identity theft is when your personal details are stolen and identity fraud is when those details are used to commit fraud"

  15. Workplace (and family) harassment by QuasiSteve · · Score: 3, Insightful

    his workplace was harassed until he was fired:

    This is an increasingly common tactic used by people who disagree with other people.

    You're a racist? Let's get you fired:
    http://gettingracistsfired.com...

    You're a scumbag who doesn't deliver on a kickstarter? Let's bother your parents:
    https://www.kickstarter.com/pr...

    Sure, this isn't new - the latter is just an extension of small-town "you come around here doing that again and I'll be talking to your mama". But the motive and intent are different. It's not about the parents being the authority figure instilling some sense into the kid, but about harassing the parents so that they, too, will blame the 'kid' for woes.

    In the former case, it hinges on when things you say are personal, and when they are things you say as a representative of a company.
    Post on company blog - company.
    Post on facebook with place of employ listed - apparently, company.
    Post on twitter with no place of employ listed but people find out through your name and location anyway - according to that blog, company.
    Post on a random forum under a pseudonym but given enough searching around have your place of employ found - if you're thinking this should be personal, you're disagreeing with that site.

    Increasingly, "what you do in your personal time is your own business" no longer flies, because whatever you do in your personal time can - thanks to the pressure power of social media - very much become your employer's business... even if they have no issue with you personally, but get negative attention for employing you.

    Any outside activity must not interfere with your ability to properly perform your job duties

    - From one employee manual, in context about outside employment but easily interpreted to also apply to these cases.

  16. Re:at the moment the only trend by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is useful right now, and has been for several years within the communities where doxing has become a known problem. It is a jargon word that is gaining mainstream use simply because the mainstream is now beginning to see a significant increase in the behavior it describes.

    A similar term, "outing" (as in "John was deliberated outed last week by Jim, his ex lover") has been in use among the LBGT communities since at least the 1950s. But that refers explicitly to making public someone's very private sexual orientation.

    However "doxing" is different from "outing": it is a more general term describing the unauthorized release of anyone's private information in a public forum. It is rarely an honorable act and in general those who dox others are persons without honor. And the honor of those who condone doxing is questionable. People who dox, or show support for doxing, are people you cannot trust. You should not associate with them, either, since that will raise questions about your personal honor.

    "Doxing" is a concept that needs to come into the mainstream, right now.

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  17. Re:That is not doxing by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a reason doxxing is mainly associated with 4chan, 8chan and other pedophile websites.

    Jezebel writer doxxes autistic kid.
    Rebecca Watson promotes Doxxing.
    Reddits ShitRedditSays subreddit digging up names of gamergaters.
    A tumblr related website all about doxxing

    Something about throwing stones in glass houses springs to mind here.

  18. Re:at the moment the only trend by Greyfox · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is there a word for wanting to punch someone in the dick because they invented a stupid new word? Because payback is still required for "blog", "twerk" and "phablet". Someone might need to get punched in the dick twice for "phablet." I'm sure the Germans probably have a word for it...

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  19. Re:That is not doxing by russotto · · Score: 2

    'Clickbait fallacy' is a dog whistle phrase in the same vein as 'Social Justice Warrior' or 'political correctness'.

    Or 'manchild'?

  20. Re:That is not doxing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Didn't 4-chan kick all the GamerGate people out? The only reason 8-chan is associated with GamerGate at all is that it's the largest web forum that didn't bow to the corporate puppet-masters and ban all GamerGate discussion in its entirety, like 4-Chan, Reddit, and Slashdot did.

    Plus, when it comes to GamerGate, all the doxxing is on one side: the SJW side. They've gone out of their way to try and get GamerGaters fired, to the point of making up rape charges and trying to convince employers that they were real and they should fire gamers over them. Doxxing is a real issue, but it's not 4-chan or 8-chan you should be worried about, it's SJW assholes like this.

  21. Re:That is not doxing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's wrong with MRAs? MRAs are just a push-back against a feminist agenda that's gone way overboard. OK, sure, MRAs have the same flaw that feminists do (they go way overboard in the opposite direction) but given today's political climate, MRAs serve as an important counter-balance to the absolute insanity that is the feminist agenda.

    GG is down to about 10% of the activity that they generated in October

    Activity on what? Publicly facing boards? There's a good reason for that: SJWs are doxxing and harassing the family/employers of anyone foolish enough to attach GamerGate to their real name. They're going out of their way to get GamerGate supporters banned from Twitter and other public media. Of course you're seeing fewer and fewer GamerGaters publicly: your SJW buddies are actively getting them banned and censored. Doesn't mean GamerGate is shrinking, it just means you don't see them because you've actively harassed them off of public media.

    You'd think the amount of active censorship of people over something as silly as thinking video game reviewers should just possibly not have sexual relationships with game developers would garner at least a mention on Slashdot, but that would go against Dice's current feminist "STEM hates women" meme that they're pushing for whatever reason, so we've gotten nothing about this massive censorship campaign SJWs are waging.

    At least this article hints at it, even if it continues with the lie that people against SJW are doxxing SJWs. (This has never happened. SJWs doxx each other all the time and then blame it on "outsiders." GamerGate has taken a lot of flack for things outside trolls have been doing. The hilarious thing is that none of the LWs are ideologically pure enough for certain SJWs so these SJWs have attacked them and then had their attacks blamed on gamers. Despite them all being from the same SJWs circle of insanity.)