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What Isn't There an App For?

An anonymous reader writes: "There's an app for that!" It's been both an educational comment and a joke for years, now. There are so many small, single-purpose pieces of software available that it's impossible to keep track of everything apps can do. Indeed, when I'm looking for more usefulness out of my phone, I tend to browse the various app stores for interesting software, trying to figure out what more the phone can do for me. But a recent article turns that around and asks: for what tasks does the software have yet to be written? Though most of the article itself doesn't focus on that subject, it got me thinking about apps I'd like to see. (Which was harder than I expected.) I'd like an app that'd help me diagnose bad noises my car makes. I'd like one that can aggregate all my communication channels into one screen. I'd like one that can easily pick up program states from one PC — like an IDE session — and carry them to another PC. What apps are you still waiting for?

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  1. App Store by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At least on the iOS platform part of the reason is that Apple does not approve some types of applications, mainly for political reasons.

    1. Re: App Store by mrsquid0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And Linux stole unix. Linux also stole all the command names from unix. They also stole much of the underlying mathematical concepts from boolean algebra.

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    2. Re: App Store by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 5, Funny

      And Linux stole unix. Linux also stole all the command names from unix. They also stole much of the underlying mathematical concepts from boolean algebra.

      And video killed the radio star.

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  2. What Isn't There an App For? by Idou · · Score: 5, Funny

    There isn't an app for telling you what there isn't an app for. . .

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    1. Re:What Isn't There an App For? by AssetYoYo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For us myopics, an app that used the autofocus feature of the camera to adjust text size on presets by me such that I can read the fine print.

  3. Most apps are bullshit by NotInHere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    they are made to collect your data for later liquidation by means of selling or exploiting them. While usage statistics (with opt in!) are ok, for app improvement and good, I don't think there is really an user respecting app for everything.

    1. Re:Most apps are bullshit by BasilBrush · · Score: 3

      Not most apps, no. They are a minority. At least that's the case on iOS.

  4. Re:Plant Recognition by Yaotzin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hopefully the app will be capable of discerning between immature Amanita ocreata and Agaricus arvensis.

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  5. Re:Plant Recognition by Psychotria · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd like to be able to take a picture of a plant or mushroom and have it identified for me. Bonus points if it tells me if it is edible. Bonus Bonus points for preparation instructions and recipes.

    That's a long way off in my opinion. Positive plant identification relies on having reproductive material for the plant (e.g. flowers and/or fruit/seed/drupe/spore/etc) and a way of looking at those structures closely (often under a microscope). The identification of some plants will also take into account the root system.

    Some plants are able to be identified (but not 100%) using vegetative characters only: e.g. phylotaxy, leaf complexity, growth habit, stipules (and their position), bark, pubesence on the stem or leaves, shape of those hairs if they are present (probably need a microscope), etc, etc, etc. But the positive identification is elusive -- mainly because of the taxonomy of species classification in the first place which necessarily takes into account non-vegetative characters and morphology.

    That said, identification to the level of family might be a more realistic goal. Even then there are problems because not all genera (and certainly not all species) need not share common characters.

    Grasses (Poaceae)? Good luck.

    Identifying fungi using an app? Even more difficult unfortunately.

  6. Anyone else hate 'apps'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The idea of filling up my 'device' with a large number of nefarious, insecure, data-thieving, location stealing, mutually incompatible, crash causing, cross-selling little craplets that put me in touch directly, without choice to corporate hell, fills me with horror. What was wrong with the 'web' and 'choice'? Oh, I know, choice, although, in principle one of the tenets of capitalism is so annoying, much better to press the button on the craplet and get a Big Mac directly.

    Actually, my mobile is normally switched off and in my kitchen drawer, anyway.

    1. Re:Anyone else hate 'apps'? by BasilBrush · · Score: 3

      The idea of filling up my 'device' with a large number of nefarious, insecure, data-thieving, location stealing, mutually incompatible, crash causing, cross-selling little craplets that put me in touch directly, without choice to corporate hell, fills me with horror.

      No you're not the only one. Those are the reasons lots of people choose iPhone rather than Android. It's not perfect but it's far better than the anarchy of Android.

      What was wrong with the 'web' and 'choice'?

      There's more than a million apps, on either iOS or Android. Lack of choice is not a problem.

    2. Re:Anyone else hate 'apps'? by BasilBrush · · Score: 3

      The problem is in your own head. It's the idea that all computers should have a desktop interface. It's both nonsense, and has never been true. A desktop interface on a device with a phone touch sized screen is stupid.

      As to "managing files", that's busy-work. We tend to work at a higher abstraction these days. Heck even when developing on a desktop computer: a SCM such as git does more of the managing of files than we do.

    3. Re:Anyone else hate 'apps'? by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nope, the problem is in your head.
      I can put an app on the desktop (or home sreen, whatever. same shit different name) to do stuff.

      But it's not "same shit different name". Desktop metaphor is desktop with multiple opened documents side by side, and a filing cabinet and folder metaphor for data storage. Generally with pull down/ drop down menus. WinCE and the old GEOS Nokia Communicators used it. Modern phones don't.

      A phone which has random files placed around it's file system by the user is a phone with a broken OS.

      You mean the browse around to fine where some app has saved something?

      Clearly I don't. I mean for example the people who want to spend time organising MP3 files when they have apps available that sync up songs between multiple devices, organise them in albums or artists or whatever order, and display metadata at it's best.

      So why can't I put a file there too.

      Why can't you program using dip switches and blinken-lights any more? Because higher abstractions are more powerful.

      Files have become too low an abstraction even on the desktop. Take Office documents, these days they are stored in multiple files, but file systems are in general too dumb to coordinate multiple files as a single thing, so they are zipped up to make them into a single file. Not only does that add to loading and saving time, it means that VCSs can't generally deal properly with their XML and end up storing them as undiffable binaries.

      Or take applications. On Linux you need a package manager to deal with the multiple files. Or deal with tar and gzip. Windows requires installer apps to unpackage and then distribute the files around a filing system. MacOS has a bundle system that's not supported by foreign file systems. And all of them have the problem of leaving detritus when deleting the app.

      But mobile OSs have this issue sorted. To a user an app is always single thing. You download it from an app store, or you delete it as a single thing. The abstraction of the multiple files required is complete.

  7. A mountain scanner by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I had a friend who was very quiet but one hell of a programmer and made his own circuit boards for his programs. I pushed an Amiga digitizer for him on my BBS. It was freeware, unless he constructed the board himself.

    He was always asking if anybody wanted a program they needed, I got a printer buffer that showed how much was left to print, this after I printed some 200+ pages (dot matrix) and no clue when it would end.

    He was working on car sensors, one would plug in a serial cable to their computer and it would show defects or problems, as far as I know he only used his car for this. I've noticed that this is a commercial product now (not his).

    Last I talked to him he wanted a 3D map of Mt. Rainier, and was at a loss of how to do it; not with contour maps, nor a 3D printer (not out then) but how to scan the Mountain itself, just a tad eccentric.

    I'd be very interested to know what he's up to now.

    So for him a mountain scanner :)

  8. Re: Plant Recognition by OctavianStefanescu · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is Leafsnap. Leafsnap by Columbia University, University of Maryland, and Smithsonian Institution https://appsto.re/ro/LhZQz.i

  9. Lots of missing software ... by MacTO · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Quite frankly, I don't care about small single-purpose apps. The UI on phones and tablets aren't designed to help us find one app among dozens. In most cases, you bump into limitations as soon as you start using it. In many cases, you'll use it a handful of times then never use it again.

    If you are looking for anything that is even moderately sophisticated, chances are that no one has made an app for it. There will already be an app in many software categories, but they provide basic functionality at best. Consider what passes for word processors and spreadsheets, or even web browsers and email clients these days.

    If you are looking for anything that doesn't lock your data into an unsupported proprietary file format that is hidden in some unfathomable directory on your device, or forces you to use a network service to access your data -- well, good luck. While there are usually options for content consumption, content creation is hit-and-miss.

    There are a number of reasons for this, but the biggest one is profitability. Very few people want to make a cheap app that takes a lot of time to develop. A lot of people want to translate the sale of cheap apps into more profitable online services. So what we tend to end up with are a bunch of apps that go after the low hanging fruit and sound revolutionary, when in reality they are little more than toys that you could easily accomplish with a single generic application.

    1. Re:Lots of missing software ... by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Interesting

      App(lication)s need to be appropriate to the platform. When people are using phone apps, they are usually looking for one of 3 things:
      1) Communication.
      2) Quick retrieval of information.
      3) Fill in some time with some entertainment. (Casual games, Youtube, Social apps. etc)

      Tablets, nearly the same.

      If someone's going to do spreadsheet work for example, they'll likely be at a desk, or they'll take their laptop with them.

  10. Re:Society has been dumbed down by hackertourist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not this Luddite bullshit again. When I'm on the road, I'm on my way to a destination. When it's for work, I don't care about new places, I just want to get my appointment via the most efficient route. When I'm on vacation, there's a bit more leeway but I still have a destination to get to. At the end of a long journey, I no longer care about the scenery and just want to get to my hotel or campsite already.

    The cost of making a mistake is high in lost time and aggravation. Without GPS I'd have to resort to maps, and have you ever driven solo while navigating from a map? You end up either a menace on the road, or having to stop to consult the bloody map every 5 minutes. Not to mention having to buy the map in the first place.
    So if you enjoy getting lost, fine. But stop whining about people using GPS.

  11. Days of Consumer Apps is Over by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a mobile developer and architect (primarily iOS now), I hate to say that there is much truth in that statement. In 2010, I started developing apps for both myself and corporate. The trend, which became very apparent in the early days, is that even if you have a great idea, you are up against several roadblocks. At the very least, an app/applet/program on a mobile device is supposed to do one thing and do it really well.

    In the private, consumer world:
    1) You have to set a price point that people will pay. That's typically either free, $0.99 or $1.99. And, it's why some developers people incorporate ads into their apps in the hopes of eeking out a living.

    2) Then, you have to get it noticed. For some reason, insanely stupid or novel apps make it on the chart. The apps that provide utility never rank high so they become to find.

    3) Then, you have have the copy-cats. They say copying is the finest form of flattery. Great - if it gets one a date with a really hot member of your preferred sexual preference. But, don't cut into my profits with that bullshit because you can't come up with an original idea of your own and then resell mine at a lower cost or give it away.

    4) Lastly, there is the app lifecycle and planned obsolesce. You app has a limited lifetime. Any slowness during loading or awkwardness in its UI and it will, likely, meet the squiggly icon of doom rather quickly.

    Platform of choice? Android and iOS.

    The Commercial world is where the money is to be made. Large corporations have products they want to sell and marketing/sales folks who keep coming up with ways to get their products out there. They also have the money to fund development of limited purpose apps. Most still prefer to use web-based apps as well as they understand the web platform and how it can get their message across and it tends to be cheaper. Done with it? Just turn it off. Users aren't out any money. Typically, doing so is no harm no foul. Their platform of choice? iOS. Android is not making a dent in our industry (Pharma and Health) BECAUSE it is so open.

    So, where does that leave us developers? Well, the market keeps evolving. First we had the older BREW and SYMBIAN phones (what a PITA). Then, we got smartphones followed by tablets. Now, through emerging tech, we have wearable devices. That will be the next market - finding the best ways to marry wearable tech with mobile, tablet and desktop technology to give the user something they find useful and affords the chance of making money. People might not like the ApplePhone or Pebble or whatever. But, it's coming.

    Case in point - My youngest son, now 15, said he wanted an AppleWatch. Why? He finds reaching into his pocket to see the time (he doesn't walk around with it in his hand all the time, oblivious to the world around him as many teenagers do). Still, he wants something that does more than just tell the time (he's a competitive swimmer...not that the AppleWatch will help him there as it's not, supposedly, waterproof).

    I still think a good online service providing utility via the web AND offering a useful web-service API is the way to go. I can build a mobile, tablet or tethered device to it when I am ready and think the market is ready and willing to pay for it.

  12. Re:Society has been dumbed down by BasilBrush · · Score: 3

    There's far more reasons than not getting lost to use a GPS. I use it more so because fuel is expensive and polluting, and so following the most efficient route saves money and the damage to the environment. Of course it's only an estimate of the best route even with a GPS. But it's a better estimate than people make for unfamiliar journeys.

    You say that getting lost has the advantage of discovering new places. But so does GPS - it will take you down routes you've never taken before, when otherwise you might stick to the familiar routes. (And either method might take you down an unsuitable route.)

  13. Re:Compiling by BasilBrush · · Score: 3

    [Citation needed]

    That doesn't appear to be true.

  14. Re:How about a decent open-source web browser? by BasilBrush · · Score: 3

    There isn't a better mobile web renderer than WebKit. Even Chrome is just a fairly recent fork of it.

  15. Re:Supermarket line monitor by BasilBrush · · Score: 3

    Searching for every item you want on the web, or in an app is a pain. But I imagine it gets better as time goes on as products you've bought before are easy to reorder. I didn't persist long enough to find out.

  16. Re:Limited Screen Time by App Type for Kids by BasilBrush · · Score: 3

    At least on iOS, this is not possible due to limitations imposed by Apple.

    You're mistaken. There's plenty of iOS apps doing exactly that. e.g.
    http://www.tomsguide.com/us/pi...

  17. Re:Here's an idea. by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ideas are like assholes. Everyone's got one. They're worthless.

    The ability, time and effort required to turn an idea, whether new or old, into a polished user-friendly app, and do all the other non-development tasks such as creating content and marketing. Those are the things that are worth money.

  18. Re:How about a decent open-source web browser? by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Insightful

    On iOS, alternative browsers cannot take advantage of the same Javascript runtime that Safari does, so they end up with pretty lousy performance. Unless they changed things in the last year or so.

    Indeed it has changed. Nitro used to be limited to Safari, for security reasons, but from iOS 8 the Webkit available to apps uses exactly the same Nitro engine that Safari does.

    And here's the thing - Javascript works the same on in all apps and all browsers in iOS. In Android, that's far from the case. At work we have an app in development that opens a 3rd party web page with a video embedded. On iOS the video zooms to full screen, and plays. Always. On Android, the behaviour is different on different phones. Some zoom to full screen, some don't, and some don't play the video at all.

    I should note that for reasons such as this, the development team for iOS is 2. For Android it's 5. With iOS development still always outpacing Android.

    As to data-mining, that's also an advantage on the iOS side. CyanogenMod might pull some Google spying out of the OS, but Android apps are far freer to spy on users than iOS apps. Such is the benefit of the "walled-garden".

  19. Lots of things aren't on android or ios by Karmashock · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For example, just the other day I wanted to listen to a sound file on my phone and it was a really long file. Something like 12 hours long. And generally when I am dealing with these files, I split them into 10 minute segments so they can be listened to easily without having to remember where in the giant file I was last time. I just remember I was on file 25 at 3 minutes. Most sound listening programs also don't deal with really large sound files very well. So it makes everything more manageable when they're split up.

    Anyway, long story short, I looked for such a program on android and it apparently doesn't exist. Lots of stuff for making ringtones but that isn't what I'm after.

    You can't really compete with the wealth of software on desktop OS's They've been around too long and the bars for entry are non-existent.

    That said, if someone knows of such a program, then please let me know.

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