Slashdot Mirror


Writer: How My Mom Got Hacked

HughPickens.com writes Alina Simone writes in the NYT that her mother received a ransom note on the Tuesday before Thanksgiving.."Your files are encrypted," it announced. "To get the key to decrypt files you have to pay 500 USD." If she failed to pay within a week, the price would go up to $1,000. After that, her decryption key would be destroyed and any chance of accessing the 5,726 files on her PC — all of her data would be lost forever. "By the time my mom called to ask for my help, it was already Day 6 and the clock was ticking," writes Simone. "My father had already spent all week trying to convince her that losing six months of files wasn't the end of the world (she had last backed up her computer in May). It was pointless to argue with her. She had thought through all of her options; she wanted to pay." Simone found that it appears to be technologically impossible for anyone to decrypt your files once CryptoWall 2.0 has locked them and so she eventually helped her mother through the process of making a cash deposit to the Bitcoin "wallet" provided by her ransomers and she was able to decrypt her files. "From what we can tell, they almost always honor what they say because they want word to get around that they're trustworthy criminals who'll give you your files back," says Chester Wisniewski.

The peddlers of ransomware are clearly businesspeople who have skillfully tested the market with prices as low as $100 and as high as $800,000, which the city of Detroit refused to pay. They are appropriating all the tools of e-commerce and their operations are part of "a very mature, well-oiled capitalist machine" says Wisniewski. "I think they like the idea they don't have to pretend they're not criminals. By using the fact that they're criminals to scare you, it's just a lot easier on them."

69 of 463 comments (clear)

  1. Don't pay, you idiots! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When will people learn not to give in to extortion? The criminals want word to get around that they're trustworthy? How about we want word to get around that there's no point in extorting money because people don't pay up!

    Backup your data, and rent "Ransom".

    1. Re:Don't pay, you idiots! by Eunuchswear · · Score: 2

      If the NSA could decrypt this shit then we'd be fucked -- the bad guys are using pretty high-grade encryption.

      --
      Watch this Heartland Institute video
  2. Hey Fucktard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You should have lied. You should have written that they just stole the $500. Now, see, everybody who gets hit by them and saw your article will also feel compelled to pay them.

    1. Re:Hey Fucktard by Bill+Dog · · Score: 2, Funny

      There is nothing "capitalist" about it.

      No, silly, in communist countries the ransom note always reads "If you ever want to see Jane again, you'll gather together the sum of 800 USD and distribute it to each according to his needs"!

      But seriously, I like how TFA even arrived at that sensational characterization, in which apparently all your organization needs to do to be a "very mature, well-oiled capitalist machine" is to come up with a brand name and try some pricing.

      --
      Attention zealots and haters: 00100 00100
    2. Re: Hey Fucktard by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      I believe the "capitalist" comment refers to the criminals testing the market and determining the ideal price-point for their "product." Pricing your product to maximize return (optimal points on supply and demand curves and all that) is something that happens in free markets, and is generally associated with capitalist systems.

      The crime isn't capitalist. The approach to determining the optimal price is.

  3. Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your Mom's system was wide open. Every hacker I know has been in there.

  4. CryptoWall by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And yes, the first thing it does it does is purge all VSS (shadow copies) and encrypt data from local and mapped drives PRIOR to notifying you've been had. That malware is the only thing that stands between you and your now encrypted data. Purge the malware or slave the drive to another host, and you won't get your data base.

    Let me put it to you this way. Crytowall is very well engineered ransomware. It doesn't fuck around.

    Be sure to keep a set of backups not connected to your PC/Network using the Grandfather-father-son backup scheme. Rotate media according (weekly, monthly, and yearly).

    --
    Life is not for the lazy.
    1. Re:CryptoWall by Kjella · · Score: 3, Informative

      Is there some straightforward way to give a Windows backup program a different user/priority, so that the backup files it generates can only be accessed/modified by itself? That way a rogue virus or even user stupidity cannot delete or encrypt the backups. It know how to do this with Unix, but my Windows-fu is not as strong.

      Create a task in task scheduler and you can say what account to run it as, there are also GUI (shift-rightclick an exe) or CLI (runas command) options. Just make sure that the destination isn't also writable by your regular user. Make sure you have incremental backup and not just a full backup/synchronization though, otherwise you'll just overwrite the good versions with encrypted bad versions, you need to be able to go back in history and get a good version from before you were infected. Of course you are just a local escalation exploit away from that being hosed as well, for real security the only way to delete backups should be from the backup system.

      --
      Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
  5. Re:How about educating your dumbfuck mother? by Anonanonaon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Context, man!

    The "Don't blame the victim" notion comes in response to this kind of (boiled down) common claim:

    "It was her fault that we exploited her! It was impossible for us to choose to not exploit her. We take no responsibility for our own actions!"

    Which is the way psychopaths operate. They're always blameless or their actions are 100% forgivable in their eyes.

    Her ignorance and subsequent choices were on her; she could have protected herself better, but the crime is not her fault and the perps should get zero slack because of it.

  6. Re: What's the new hole? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ads. Block them.

  7. Re:What's the new hole? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Take your average computer worm, add this profitable payload, and this makes the bad guys rich. How does this work? What exploit are they using to install the payload?

    First she probably used WindowsXP which has dozens of unpatched vulnerabilities which will never be patched since it is EOL. XP has no concept of user priveldges outside of programs so all services run as admin for everything. Drivers too can run as hardware and it has no ASLR or ram scrambling to prevent overflow attacks or stack smashing.

    Secibd flash with ads and java is how these infections get in. Websites these days have over 20 ads for each tab. Hack a not stellar non Google Ad network and put a flash ad with a buffer overflow. Boom page loads and you are 0wned.

    Best AV advise today is to run Adware. Even IE has support for this now! It may screw small websites but these webmasters do not respect a users security at all PERIOD. I use Java for Android and Teamviewer so I disabled the browser plug in. I also use NortonDNS which will filter out bad domains too and it is free to setup for any pc or router.

    Do these and you eliminate 90% of infections. Oh and of course I use a standard user account. I have that and an admin account which is occasionally annoying with UAC but this helps and puts in another layer of security as now the payload will need to bypass this.

  8. The Government is NOT here to help you... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is exactly the sort of crime that the government should be able to solve, there are so many fingerprints left, double that with the bitcoins (which aren't actually anonymous).

    Granted, the $500 itself might not be worth much attention, but over and over and it adds up to a lot.

    Plus this is the sort of nonsense that your government is supposed to do something about. If not stopped now, the problem just grows.

    These criminals do this because there is low risk of getting caught and if caught, the punishment isn't likely to be high.

    If I were in charge, I'd task the NSA with catching them, then publicly execute them on TV. While some people will say, "oh, that is overkill and not fair", I'd say, "yea, but it sure will give these criminals pause in the future, won't it?"

    1. Re:The Government is NOT here to help you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is pretty much the very definition of international organized crime. And it is affecting way more Americans than "terrorism".

      The action of the government on this issue shows that the government is more interested in what terrorism can do for the military industrial complex than what the government can do for you.

    2. Re:The Government is NOT here to help you... by khasim · · Score: 2

      The threat of punishment sure keeps me paying my taxes...

      I'll say that it is not because you worry that you will be executed but that you will lose your possessions / job / freedom. Once you've bought into the system then the system has ways to keep you invested.

      Once you leave the system then the punishments don't matter.

      Either someone doing something "wrong" is going to change their behavior or they are not.

      Yeah. Although I see it as whether they have the option to join the system again. If they're paying a mortgage and putting their kids through school then they have an interest in following the rules.

      If not, then kill them, they aren't worth the food and air used to keep them alive.

      The problem with that approach is that the system is run by people. And those people are flawed.

      Convicts who are on death row are being released because of DNA evidence.
      http://codysinvestigations.com/NorCalPrivateInvestigatorBlog/corrupt-justice-texas-state-bar-seeks-to-discipline-prosecutor-for-concealing-evidence-in-wrongful-conviction-of-michael-morton/

      And it is even worse if you are a minority.

    3. Re:The Government is NOT here to help you... by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      Is that the kind of world you want?

      --
      Good-bye
    4. Re:The Government is NOT here to help you... by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      I PERSONALLY would have a problem killing Osama Bin Laden (in cold blood) because I have no direct personal proof he did anything. I have reports from others, but that is not enough for me to take a life, ever. You seem more than willing to kill a man solely on the word of others. What actual personal proof do you have that Osama Bin Laden deserved death? News reports are NOT proof of anything. The problem is, who decides who leaves the human race and who stays? You? Society? Your government? What happens if society decides you should leave the human race? Do you fight or accept it?

      --
      Good-bye
  9. Re:Business-minded criminals by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You know if it was someone sick and is in dire need of an expensive procedure we would call these guys jobs creators or insurance professionals. If it is a computer it is a criminal. If it is a banker well it is just the free market working and it is the savers fault for etc.

    The difference between the 2 is not much. When I was out of a job for awhile my family pressured me to work for a payday company. I refused to rip people off 200% interest. I have my integrity and ethics. True integrity not great as I did not have a means to pay my bills but that doesn't mean I would harm others and be an enabler for those who do.

     

  10. Win/Lose by Bent+Spoke · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Our company also got hacked. Management sent everyone home, restored from backups. Then we spent a bunch of time figuring out what files were modified in the last 36 hours, and redoing that work over. Note that the hackers target only certain file types, eg. .doc, and .pdf, but not .xls, so were talking mostly about documentation. Unfortunately, our PC's are now limping along because the virus scanner is running all the time now, and so chews up resources.

    Our company is Windows-centric for everything except code development (which is Linux using a VM under Windows), and this is a clear example of why Linux is more secure than Windows. Not necessarily inherently, but because Windows desktops are the "mainstream". And hackers target the mainstream!

    To wit, I switched to Windows for a year, but subsequently, every search I did to fix Windows problems required putting "Windows" in the search box. This inevitably led to ever more heinously cunning hacker/virus/spyware results which had to be waded through. Try as you might to avoid them, eventually one of them ends up getting you. It ends up being about as much fun as a potato-sack race through a mine-field.

    1. Re:Win/Lose by complete+loony · · Score: 2

      How long will it take before that virus scanner has cost the company 36 hours of lost productivity? Sometimes the cure can be worse than the disease. You'd be better off make sure everyone is saving files to a network drive with automatic hourly snapshots. Eg connecting via samba to a linux box running btrfs, or freebsd running zfs.

      --
      09F91102 no, 455FE104 nope, F190A1E8 uh-uh, 7A5F8A09 that's not it, C87294CE no. Ah! 452F6E403CDF10714E41DFAA257D313F.
  11. Re:How about educating your dumbfuck mother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The victim is to blame for ignorance; the criminals are to blame for maliciousness. There's enough blame for everyone.

  12. Re:What the fuck is this shit? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2

    +/

    News for the clueless? Stuff we already know about?

    Hugh Pickens is the new Roland Piquepaille, though Pickens has learned from some of Rolands mistakes.

    --
    If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
  13. And I fully agree with the sentiment by goldcd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But that's just a sentiment.
    Once you're in their jaws, I suspect that your feelings may vary - and not as if any of us are going to reward her for towing the unified line
    Actually, that's maybe the solution - you cough up your own cash to reward those that "say no to extortion" - It's not a massive leap, the majority of our governments already do this with our taxes already. Sure, it costs more in the long run (those SAS/SEAL raids where everybody ends up dead and poorer) - but it's nice to take a principled stand in the abstract (when your loved one isn't going to die as a hostage, nor as a soldier sent to rescue them).
    The French - they mainly just seem to pay up, and walk away with their hostages unharmed.
    Now I'm sure there may be some objections to this (I've got some myself) - but our governments seem to have managed to overlook their scruples and the urge to teach lessons when a few banks asked for a bit of cash (or we'd have all descended into anarchy, seemingly).
    My point, I'm not sure. It's vaguely around the point that we don't 'pay when extorted' - and yet we all pretty much do. What's interesting is the type of extortion your government buckles and pays for.

    1. Re:And I fully agree with the sentiment by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's why in cases of kidnapping the police may try to prevent you from handing over money.

      It is clearly better for society if you don't pay up, or if nobody pays up. However, it is better for you if you pay up. As a result, society will create and try to enforce rules that are better for everyone, when it is better for each individual to break these rules.

      So maybe it is better if you (a) pay up the money, and (b) if you ever find the identity of a hacker hurting people pay someone to give them a good beating.

    2. Re:And I fully agree with the sentiment by Eunuchswear · · Score: 2

      The French - they mainly just seem to pay up, and walk away with their hostages unharmed.

      Untrue. The French government never pays ransom.

      They have people for that.

      (How it works -- One of France's many "friends" in Africa pays the ransom, he reimnburses himself from the petty change).

      --
      Watch this Heartland Institute video
  14. The real lesson should be... by damn_registrars · · Score: 2

    ... set up an automatic backup system for all your systems, now. Every system on your network should back itself up automatically daily, not only for this possibility but for all of the platform-agnostic ones such as hardware failure. If her system did nightly backups the criminals wold only have a few hours worth of files and she could have almost certainly safely told them to go fuck themselves.

    --
    Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
    1. Re:The real lesson should be... by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 2

      And to a system not directly mounted as user accessible files, or they'll encrypt your backups too.

      So you want a network storage server specifically configured to only permit create and append, but not delete.

    2. Re:The real lesson should be... by WaffleMonster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ... set up an automatic backup system for all your systems, now. Every system on your network should back itself up automatically daily, not only for this possibility but for all of the platform-agnostic ones such as hardware failure.

      For me takeaway was regular manual backups to offline storage is important.

      When malware has the ability to jump ship to network resources my guess very few "automatic" solutions deployed today are capable of denying remote commands to delete or overwrite online backups. Even offsite "cloud" solutions almost always include remote administrative capability that would have the affect of rendering backup medium worthless.

  15. Re:What's the new hole? by reikae · · Score: 2

    Why does the payload need admin privileges to encrypt your files? Unless your account only has read access to your data, but that would be very cumbersome.

  16. Strategy by TheCreeep · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would really hate to have all my files encrypted and inaccessible. I'd probably just pay the $500 with much begrudge.

    That being said, as soon as I would get the encryption key and get my files back, I would post everywhere that the hackers did NOT give me the key after I paid the $500.

    It's kind of like game theory. If enough people do the same, then fewer people would actually pay up, or the price would drop lower, thus proving an advantage for the victims.

    Posting in the damn NYT that the hackers are true to their word assures that they have credibility, and just torpedoes the strategy above. In the same way that it's valuable for them to get the word out that they are (kinda) honest, it would be valuable for the victims to get the word out that they are crooked. Being the marketing and pricing geniuses they seem to be, they would surely lower the price if they had bad publicity. So in the name of future victims, I would like to sarcastically thank you Alina for giving those fuckers ammo. They'll probably raise their price now.

  17. Re:people are idiots by Rhywden · · Score: 2

    Cryptowall encrypts the data it has access to. It does not need admin rights to do shitloads of damage. This means that Cryptowall could work just as well under Linux / MacOS or any other OS out there.

  18. Re:What's the new hole? by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why does the payload need admin privileges to encrypt your files? Unless your account only has read access to your data, but that would be very cumbersome.

    It needs admin privileges to clobber VSS.

  19. Now THAT would be interesting by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    next up is them rebating her some money back for their "Victim get a Victim" refferal program.

    You could easily imagine something like this being the next step, having them say "We'll decrypt your files for $500, but if you send this attachment to ten friends you can decrypt for $250".

    You could easily see that working really, really well... and creating a massive increase in infection.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  20. Sad that this is even a problem by Dega704 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I feel bad for the victims of these vile bastards, but at the same time I think that if that doesn't get them into the habit of regularly backing up their files, then NOTHING will. Also a good motivator to get the hell off Windows.

    1. Re:Sad that this is even a problem by Jeremi · · Score: 2

      I feel bad for the victims of these vile bastards, but at the same time I think that if that doesn't get them into the habit of regularly backing up their files, then NOTHING will.

      I was thinking this was an ingenious technique for educating the public on how to use BitCoin to pay for things. I think BitCoin has finally found its "killer app"... :^/

      --


      I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
    2. Re:Sad that this is even a problem by WheezyJoe · · Score: 2

      Agreed... but far easier said than done. Like secure e-mail or messaging, mature straight-forward backup solutions just don't exist.

      My company was hacked with cryptoware, and thanks to automatic backups we only lost a day or two of data. But that's because we have staff and resources dedicated to taking care of these things.

      How's mom and pop gonna do this? Macs have Time Machine, but even that requires an external drive for that single purpose. When buying a laptop or desktop, the average Joe, student, or grandmother doesn't think to plunk down another $100 for an external drive whose only purpose is insurance against "what if".

      And again, that's with Apple's Time Machine, which is the closest thing to set-it-and-forget-it backup/restore I know of, particularly because it comes bundled ready-to-go with OS X. Windows, to my knowledge, has no comparable built-in product, nor do I know of any 3rd-party product that is easy enough to have saved grandma from cryptolocker. Seriously. Have you ever tried to support "old" people, like your uncle or the senior partner? They not only routinely use terrible passwords (e.g., their home phone number), they're PROUD of it. They'll look you right in the eye and tell you that nobody in the world is going to bother to hack little old me.

      and don't think that makes it their problem and they deserve what's coming to them. If it's your boss or grandma, it's your problem.

      Windows needs a turn-key backup/restore solution, out of the box. And as long as I'm pipe-dreaming, PC's are each sold with a second hard drive accessible only to the backup/restore app and can't be wiped even by administrator without entering a key. Or maybe there could be some cloud-based solution - nothing ever goes wrong with those.

      --
      Take it easy, Charlie, I've got an Angle...
  21. This is why Time Machine is such a boon... by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is the thing that makes Time Machine such a great asset to the Mac for non-technical users. The Mac in theory is not that much less hackable, but an attacker (a) will generally not be able to encrypt all the files in the system, only ones for that user and (b) the user will simply be able to go back through the TM backup and recover un-encrypted files.

    I think TM plays a really a big part in the Mac still not having many (any?) exploits in the wild, because easiest ways to extract money, Mac users are protected against.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:This is why Time Machine is such a boon... by Smurf · · Score: 2

      Nope. As SuperKendall said in a separate reply, regular users can't modify the backups and administrators (sudoers) need to authenticate to modify them. (And yes, I verified it before posting this).

      The malware would therefore need to escalate the privileges in order to encrypt the backups, making it far more challenging.

  22. Re:I have no problem with this... here is why by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd rather pay $800 to a “criminal” than $5000 to a lawyer

    False dilemma. In no meaningful way whatsoever is the money paid to these criminals an alternative to legal fees paid to a lawyer for a completely unrelated matter. Implying that the two payments are alternatives is idiotic.

  23. Re:How about educating your dumbfuck mother? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

    She shouldn't have dressed her computer so provocatively!

    --
    #DeleteChrome
  24. Re:What's the new hole? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

    It deletes volume shadow copies and modifies startup to run. It would some administrative access

  25. Re:What's the new hole? by LVSlushdat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Best advice is GET THE HELL OFF WINDOWS!! I have a thriving little business upgrading people who are still on XP over to either XUbuntu or Mint. I've gotten calls after an upgrade with the user saying "I got this weird error when I open this email", and it turned out that the user had an email with the Cryptolocker vector, and the odd error was the malware *trying* (and failing) to encrypt files on an ext4 filesystem... At this point in time, THAT aint happening....

    --
    THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
  26. Re:What's the new hole? by Rhywden · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So, the only thing between Cryptolocker and your user's files was the FILESYSTEM? And you think the problem was the OS?

    Seriously, this thing was actually running on your Linux distribution (as you yourself admit) and the only thing that saved you was that it wasn't (yet) adapted to the filesystem. So, pray tell, how is Linux the magical mystery sauce which saves the day?

  27. Re:How about educating your dumbfuck mother? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh wait I forgot - you can't blame the victim ever no matter how much of a stupid fucking idiot they are!

    I blame our industry for being as you put it "stupid fucking idiots". The most common attack vector for this particular malware and many like it is email attachments.

    It's 2015 anyone in the world can still send an email with file attachments to anyone using whatever FROM address they'd like without any prior trust relationship, vetting or authorization by receiver. Most mail clients let users execute it in the same security context as the user without so much as a peep.

    It isn't the users fault they don't fully understand the depths to which the technology they are using is completely broken and wholly unsuitable for purposes for which it is used by countless millions on a daily basis.

    It is *our* fault for installing AV software and going back to picking our noses. *MILLIONS* of people are being exploited using the same attack vectors with malware and spyware... this business of calling everyone "fucking idiots" is getting old.

  28. Other systems do not make versioned backup easy by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    you say that as if the other major operating systems didn't have that feature for years

    Come on, I am not saying that in any way. I'm saying that Time Machine is a system that really is so easy to enable that real, nontechnical people ACTUALLY USE IT, and that the features it has makes malware like this a non-starter.

    Yes, all of us technical folk have been using various things to backup stuff forever. But Time Machine brings versioned backup to the everyday user (an important aspect of the protection is keeping older versions since a simpler mirroring backup means a users files could still easily all be lost on next backup that overwrites the mirror).

    The reason why this is possible is again a combination of hardware and software - Time Machine as software alone is not nearly so powerful as it is combined with a unit that doubles as a WiFi router and backup disk, which is recognized as such by the system. Literally my mom can set it up and actually use it. I cannot imagine the countless disasters this has averted for people without technical family members to help them with issues.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Other systems do not make versioned backup easy by Shados · · Score: 2, Informative

      So really, its best feature is its marketing. I have both a macbook and a windows 8 machine... the procedure to setup and use backup is basically the same, using similar terminology.

      Plug a device in. Oh look at that, the system asks me if I want to use it for backup. Click yes!

      DONE.

      My grandma could have done it.

    2. Re:Other systems do not make versioned backup easy by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

      Plug a device in. Oh look at that, the system asks me if I want to use it for backup. Click yes!

      Not sure if you saw the AC response, but he explains exactly the difference - want a file back? Run Time Machine, restore the older version, DONE.

      Can't say that with many other backup systems that are harder to get to specific files, also when you first load Windows on a new system which existing backup system does it ask to restore a system from again?

      --
      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  29. This article is what the criminals wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ug. In a way, by passing on this "success" story, the writer of this article has played right in to the hands of these criminals. This is exactly the kind of press they want.

    One always should assume that once their systems are infected that there files are GONE. Don't treat it any differently than a fatal hard drive crash. If you didn't have backup, then what were you going to do when your hard drive crashes anyway?

    You should also question if giving these criminals money doesn't also indirectly make YOU a criminal. (And to any pedantics who might drop in to counter that: fuck you)

    Anything you think you might have recovered should always be suspect. How do really know they haven't hidden more crap elsewhere? Worse yet, you should also assume these criminals now have copies of potentially important information.

  30. The reason why what you are saying does not work by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ha ha. Yet why are people not using such things in real life compared to them using Time Machine?

    Most people don't want (a) to put a whole computer drive replicated in the cloud (they would not wait for the time it took to upload 100+ GB of data), (b) bother to attach local media for backup more than every six months (as per the article), (c) have other computers they consider a backup destination.

    Time Machine is something that is backing up stuff EVERY HOUR. Even better, it's versioned so when the next backup happens and the now-encrypted files get pushed to the backup, you can still recover what was encrypted before. Not all of the things you list have that property, and for the topic UNDER DISCUSSION that is key to recovery of recent, or any, data. I myself manage my own backups by cloning hard drives and keeping offsite backups, yet I also have Time Machine enabled and running and I have to say there have been several occasions where is has saved me where the other forms of backup failed.

    It's such a shame that you flippantly just point out backup software exists for Windows (duh) without going into a deep discussion of why Time Machine actually works for users while it's failing many people on Windows. Then we would all learn something instead of you simply feeling momentarily clever.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  31. Re:How about educating your dumbfuck mother? by nmb3000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The most common attack vector for this particular malware and many like it is email attachments.

    That was true 4-6 years ago, but not today. Now we're seeing most of this stuff getting installed via zero-day exploits in browsers and plugins like Java and Flash, and distributed via third-party advertising networks. It's a lot harder to blame someone for getting compromised via a browser plugin they didn't even know they had.

    The best protection these days is still to block all advertising, run with limited permissions, and have automated external backups with versioning. If the user is capable, blocking all third-party scripting is also incredibly effective.

    It's 2015 anyone in the world can still send an email with file attachments to anyone using whatever FROM address they'd like without any prior trust relationship, vetting or authorization by receiver.

    You just listed some of the best features of email.

    It is *our* fault for installing AV software and going back to picking our noses

    Now this is true. Antivirus software has been a joke for a decade.

    --
    "What do you despise? By this are you truly known." --Princess Irulan, Manual of Muad'Dib
    /)
  32. The data isn't lost "forever" by davidwr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just wait 10-20 years and commercial quantum-computers will be common enough that the key can be re-created and the data recovered. So if you have been hit by "ransomware," clone the disk and put both copies in a closet somewhere. Every year or two, copy the disk again.

    In 5-10 years police agencies will admit to having such technology and people who committed serious crimes since the "Five Eyes" started sucking down as much of the Internet as they can and who have successfully evaded detection due to strong encryption may find themselves getting that "knock on the door."

    Criminals who are very high-profile targets (think: Terrorism, top drug lords, etc.), they national police agencies either already have the ability to go back and decrypt all past recorded traffic and previously-seized computers or they will have it within a year or two, assuming the encryption is the kind that is in common use today (e.g. https: or PGP-like encryption with reasonable, not super-long key lengths). As to whether the police will admit to having this capability before the decade is out is an open question. If they don't, they'll either have to delay arresting people or cook up some form of parallel construction to make their case.

    By the way, watch your national governments - if they haven't done so already they will try to eliminate or greatly extend statutes of limitation for the kinds of crimes associated with encryption, starting with those that are most scary to the public such as anything related to terrorism, high-level drug trafficking, and human trafficking. Or, instead of trying to generally extend/eliminate the statute of limitations, they may change the law to suspend the clock when encryption is used, so the time it takes from the day the evidence is seized or sniffed to the day it is decrypted doesn't "count."

    --
    Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
  33. Re:Business-minded criminals by sjames · · Score: 2

    Actually, many people get infections while in the hospital due to poor cleanliness and they are charged the full rate for treatment. Should they die of it, it is called a 'complication'.

  34. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Informative

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  35. Re:How about educating your dumbfuck mother? by wisnoskij · · Score: 2

    You could either lock down the Internet so much that it loses all usefulness, or allow enough freedom for the strong to prey on the weak. To allow any un-monitored interaction between individuals is guaranteeing that the age old tricks of crime will be easily employable and profitable.

    --
    Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
  36. Re:How about educating your dumbfuck mother? by DexterIsADog · · Score: 2

    TFA, which I read on the NYT site a couple of days ago, was NOT intended to be a fucking Yahoo! answers article about avoiding ransomware. It was about the experience of being held up by ransomware. This was an Op-Ed piece, NOT a goddam NYT Technology column.

    I can't speak for the /. poster, but while the original article's title was ambiguous, it was not click bait. The NYT op-ed pieces are mostly about experience, and what it means to humans, not a technical manual, so don't blame the Times for continuing to be what it has been since 1851.

    Now go back to reading whatever it is nerds read so they have the latest tech info at the ready (for me, it was PC Week, some 30 years ago, but I got over it.).

  37. Re:How about educating your dumbfuck mother? by anagama · · Score: 2

    Seriously, when was the last time you received a program by email where that program was legitimate and you expected to receive it? Why can't an email client default to making the user jump through warnings and hoops in order to run a program that arrives in their email box? The GP poster's point is exceptionally valid.

    --
    What changed under Obama? Nothing Good
  38. Re:people are idiots by PapayaSF · · Score: 3, Informative

    The mechanisms of Cryptowall work under any OS.

    Except, as the AC said, it doesn't presently work under OS X. I've been reading for 20+ years how "Macs are just as vulnerable as Windows," and yet, somehow, that malware parity never seems to happen. Sure, every now and then there's a headline about Mac malware, but when you read the article it's either a theoretical vulnerability or, at worst, something that happened to a handful of people. You can claim it's because malware authors don't want to bother with Macs or whatever, but the end result is the same: Windows users are always dealing with more malware than Mac users, and, I'll bet, always will. So the modded-down-to-oblivion poster above is not wrong: getting a Mac would have prevented this attack, and many others.

    --
    Q: What does the "B." in Benoit B. Mandelbrot stand for? A: Benoit B. Mandelbrot
  39. Microsoft benefits from this by dtjohnson · · Score: 2

    This happened to a friend with a laptop running Windows 8. The laptop had a recovery partition with the Windows 8 install on it but that was also locked and unavailable. The only way to recover (other than pay the ransom) was to...yes...buy a Windows 8 install disk and reformat. Of course, the data was lost (but restored from a recent backup) but at least the laptop was usable again. Since many/most new computers running Windows are sold without any media, this scenario has likely happened before. How many of those multitudes of Windows 8.1 buyers are second-time buyers just trying to reinstall what they have already paid for once? Also, this type of thing drives people away from laptops and desktop computers in general and towards less-vulnerable mobile devices.

    1. Re:Microsoft benefits from this by ZorinLynx · · Score: 2

      Are you telling me that PC vendors these days ship systems without a way to recover them from bare metal? That's... insane. Utterly stark raving mad.

      Even Macs, which don't ship with install media, can do a bare metal restore downloading the operating system from the Internet. This is common sense shit!

  40. Re:people are idiots by Rich0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've been reading for 20+ years how "Macs are just as vulnerable as Windows," and yet, somehow, that malware parity never seems to happen. Sure, every now and then there's a headline about Mac malware, but when you read the article it's either a theoretical vulnerability or, at worst, something that happened to a handful of people.

    I've been reading for 20+ years about these things called Macs that are far safer than Windows, and yet, somehow, nobody actually uses them.

    Thieves will always go for max reward for minimum risk. Sure, they hit lots of mom and pop computers running Windows, but I imagine the real money is in medium-sized businesses. How many organizations do you know that could be persuaded to maybe pay a $300k ransom but they store all that data on OSX, or even on Linux?

    If medium-sized companies tended to run OSX, you'd see Cryptolocker for OSX. No, you won't see it anytime soon, because those businesses aren't going to switch to OSX anytime soon.

    From an OS security standpoint, there really isn't anything in OSX or Linux that would prevent something from Cryptolocker from working. Neither does security beyond the user-level by default, and typically the browser (which is what tends to get exploited) has access to all user data.

  41. Re:How about educating your dumbfuck mother? by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone is stupid.

    I'm stupid. You're stupid. We're all ignorant of something.

    Malice gets 100% of the blame.

    To use knowledge of something to abuse and transgress against another who does not, is a crime. The only crime. And all of the blame

    Analogy: if you leave a $100 bill on your front porch, yeah, that's fucking stupid.

    But someone has to go on property they have no permission to, and take something that is not there's. That's 100% of the blame. The moral person will not steal that $100 bill. In fact, they'll ring the doorbell and educate the stupid person, that they should be careful and not leave money on their front porch.

    You don't punish stupid, you educate it. You punish malice.

    Unfortunately, we punish stupidity too much in this world, our anger is always in full rage and pointed at the dumb. And we let the truly malicious off, because our hate goes towards the stupid, and in the meantime, the malicious gets away. Or we have no more anger left for them.

    It's some sort of fundamental weakness with human nature, that we do this: punish the stupid and ignore the malicious. When we should be educating the stupid and punishing the malicious.

    --
    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  42. Re:How about educating your dumbfuck mother? by GoddersUK · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Turns out, when Microsoft tried this, they really annoyed a lot of their customers and took an awful lot of stick for it. Even from people who would consider themselves fairly technical. Users don't want you to put hoops between them and what they (think they) want to do.

    Typical user scenario:
    Clicks malware.exe email attachment.
    Email client: Email attachments of this type this type are dangerous. Are you sure you want to run it?
    *yes*
    MSE/Windows defender: Virus detected. Quarantine file?
    *nah... seems legit*
    Windows: Filez from teh internetz can be dangerous. Continue?
    *Yes. How dare you question me Bill Gates!?!*
    UAC: File malware.exe from some dude on the internet wants admin access to your computer. Allow?
    *Stop getting in my way stupid computer*
    Windows: Install unsigned drivers? Guidance: Basically no unless your plugging in exotic or old hardware.
    *Get the **** out of my way piece of *** I bet that *** Bill Gates thinks he knows better than me*
    MSE/Windows defender: ***DEFCON1DEFCON1***
    *whatevs. I need those novelty smileys and cool web search*
    Malware: Mwhahahaha installs pop ups, steals bank details, encrypts files emails child pr0ns to the police etc. etc.
    *Wah.... f***cking stupid Bill Gates your software's **** I hate Microsoft. Plus whenever I want to do something it asks me questions like I'm stupid and it knows better*

    They hate the dialogues etc. and just click through them. Don't get me wrong I'm all for warning dialogues, but they exist already and they don't help a large proportion of "average users".

    And, before some smartypants points it out, I know MS have since said that UAC was designed to annoy users to encourage developers to write apps that don't require admin privileges. A good warning system *should* be annoying though, and hopefully fairly infrequently triggered by innocent actions (as it is now that UAC has been around for a while and developers have fixed their apps (and MS have tweaked it a little)).

  43. Re:Be paranoid and careful by GoddersUK · · Score: 2

    I just re-read your comment. And now I feel like an idiot.

  44. Re:How about educating your dumbfuck mother? by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 2

    Oh wait I forgot - you can't blame the victim ever no matter how much of a stupid fucking idiot they are!

    I blame our industry for being as you put it "stupid fucking idiots". The most common attack vector for this particular malware and many like it is email attachments.

    It's 2015 anyone in the world can still send an email with file attachments to anyone using whatever FROM address they'd like without any prior trust relationship, vetting or authorization by receiver. Most mail clients let users execute it in the same security context as the user without so much as a peep.

    It isn't the users fault they don't fully understand the depths to which the technology they are using is completely broken and wholly unsuitable for purposes for which it is used by countless millions on a daily basis.

    It is *our* fault for installing AV software and going back to picking our noses. *MILLIONS* of people are being exploited using the same attack vectors with malware and spyware... this business of calling everyone "fucking idiots" is getting old.

    You nailed it. There is some kind of blindness among geeks to how much otherwise worthless knowledge is actually needed to properly operate a computer, all in the name of convenience for the elite who feel they earned the right to look down on everybody else. General purpose computing is just filled to the brim with self-created problems. I'm always seeing this sort of attitude displayed that computers are to serve "computer users"... not pilots, accountants, doctors, lawyers, general contractors, etc. It feels like work created by computers vs. work saved is a much higher ratio than necessary.

  45. Re:How about educating your dumbfuck mother? by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    you do realize you yourself are stupid

    and that you, many times a year, make bad mistakes that hurt you. i know this because we all do

    let's assume you are a programmer, top of your field. no one can top your knowledge and wisdom. now you move into management, and you make dumbfuck mistakes 1, 2, 3 that noobs of management always make. should we make this painful for you? should we mock you?

    you're starting a new job: there's a dozen things you will fuck up that your coworkers already know. are they supposed to laugh at you?

    you do something in your house that creates a $2,000 repair. the plumber or contractor sees it all the time. should he yell at you?

    your ignorance of your own essential weakness makes you perhaps much more stupid than the people you mock who don't know trifling technical things but have a much better attitude. you're ignorant of something that many of us realize in grade school. the irony

    should i make it painful for you? should i kick you in the face for your ignorance of basic human weakness?

    arrogance. hubris. and the worst kind of ignorance: prideful ignorance. that's you. you're what is wrong with the world

    we all fuck up out of ignorance throughout our entire life. show some fucking humility and adjust your shitty smug attitude

    --
    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  46. Yep, the magic of a well designed computer. by Brannon · · Score: 2

    The Mac would have warned the hell out of you about running unsigned code downloaded from the Internet--you have to jump through several hoops (no just click & go). Mac Applications on the App Store are vetted and run sandboxed and users are naturally wary of any Application that isn't downloaded from the App Store--it's just not part of the Mac culture (even for nontechnical users) to click on random crap.

    There are trivial backup solutions for Mac (Time Machine + Time Capsule/NAS, or iCloud) which make this sort of problem trivial to clean up after. On my Macs it would be a simple matter of running Time Machine and turning the date back a few days--I could literally do it one handed while yawning.

    And nearly every Mac is running a recent version of OS X because Apple makes upgrading cheap, simple, and non-destructive. Any new vulnerability doesn't last very long before it is annihilated from nearly every Mac on the planet. For all these reasons virus authors just don't bother targeting Macs for the most part.

  47. Evidence? by phorm · · Score: 2

    I sideline on PC repair, and I've fixed any number of systems. There may be very infrequent cases where a drive-by hijack occurred, generally when visiting dubious sites, but the most common by far are still plain ol' "clicked on a bad email", "installed file from some sketchy torrent" or even "trusted that guy on the phone who called from Microsoft" (the latter coming out in force again lately, but still not as common as email).

    The third most common is ads posing as real software, e.g. when you Google X and the first couple links are sketchy versions of Y pretending to be X, or when you get to the actual download page but the big green "Download" link is actually an ad which downloads some BS executable. I think there needs to be a reckoning for ad-peddlers that let that last one through, as they're becoming more prevalent, and there is absolutely ZERO legitimate case for a big download-only link to unknown software. Some of these seem to be Google ads, and I'd love to see them take more heat for their part in this.

    1. Re:Evidence? by byuu · · Score: 2

      when you Google X and the first couple links are sketchy versions of Y pretending to be X

      Absolutely. I've taken to pulling up the Wikipedia page on software projects, making sure the page wasn't recently modified, and then using that link to find official vendor homepages. And then even when installing the most popular "open source" projects only, I still have to read every last bit of the installer, looking for "custom install" modes and double-negative wording tricks so I can opt-out of spyware ("Yes, I don't not want to not install $foobar plugin"), and so forth.

    2. Re:Evidence? by nmb3000 · · Score: 2

      ads posing as real software, e.g. when you Google X and the first couple links are sketchy versions of Y pretending to be X, or when you get to the actual download page but the big green "Download" link is actually an ad which downloads some BS executable

      Oh, god, you have no idea how much this pisses me off. I've had a few family members get bitten by this when I've suggested they get VLC or Firefox. The bastards at Google allow people to purchase ads for these high-profile FOSS software project names and then they serve up malware.

      I thought they'd stopped doing it, but checking now I see searching for both Firefox and VLC still show these links. And some morons still don't understand why people block ads.

      --
      "What do you despise? By this are you truly known." --Princess Irulan, Manual of Muad'Dib
      /)
  48. Re:Not always by dfsmith · · Score: 2

    The value you stated is complicated. Either

    • Pay $1200/year for backups, where the availability of the data clearly didn't affect the viability of his business, or
    • Pay $500 occasionally and in the process have plausible deniability for the data lost and an insurance claim.

    Tough call, depending on his business.