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Better Learning Through Expensive Software? One Principal Thinks Not

theodp writes "Instead of improving the instructional practices of teachers," laments Chicago public school Principal Michael Beyer, "we are throwing vast sums of money and time at software and digital solutions that are largely untested, unproven and highly questionable." Ed-Tech vendors' so-called "weapons of mass instruction," argues Beyer, may show "gains" on the high-stakes tests because they mimic the targeted test format, but the learning gains don't necessarily transfer to the real world, or last much longer than the end of the school year. But technology in the classroom is not going away, as one commenter notes. So, what to do? Well, since U.S. CTO Megan Smith is looking for bigger technological fish to fry than weaning the White House off floppy disks, why not give her a crack at Ed-Tech, including a healthy budget and some Lab Schools where she could have educators and technologists brainstorm-and-prototype to separate the Ed-Tech wheat from the chaff without undue vendor influence and short-term test score pressure?

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  1. A Big Money Pit of Dubious Value by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ed-Tech vendors' so-called "weapons of mass instruction," argues Beyer, may show "gains" on the high-stakes tests because they mimic the targeted test format, but the learning gains don't necessarily transfer to the real world, or last much longer than the end of the school year.

    This has long been a problem with "standardized tests", schools teach only to the test because their jobs and budgets depend on high numbers. Thinking and teaching outside the test? Not allowed, hell, we already don't teach proper handwriting anymore.

    We should absolutely be teaching technology in schools, starting with real actual math and reading comprehension, moving on to both software and hardware and other types of technology - I'm not a teacher, who knows... But like the house with an operating system, I think many of these new computer teaching tools are simply companies looking for ways to squeeze money out of people for things they don't really need, and if the government is paying for it, you know they paid a whole lot for it. Are we just fattening some venture capitalist's pocket with this stuff?

    I'm on the fence about the textbooks themselves being on tablets, maybe that makes sense. But if we are going to hand off teaching to computers, why pay for anything more than a human babysitter - or is that what we are doing already?

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  2. Chicago schools by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After being a teacher in Joliet , Illinois system and seeing what passes for teaching and parental involvement in the Chicago land area I can quite firmly state that it isn't the money taxpayers spend, the technology that is invested in the area, nor the opportunities that students have that is the real issue.

    The real issue is that there needs to be a clean out of lazy teachers and administration that refuses to interact with parents- a gallon of bleach dumped into the leach pool.

    These children need people to intervene and make sure to involve the parents in all aspects of their education. Instead, we have more people involved on getting paid and protecting their pension.

    It's quite sad.

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    1. Re:Chicago schools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Wikidrones have invaded Slashdot and demand that every post be backed by "sources" (ex. wikipedia). Of course, except for real scientific studies, no source especially on the internet is worth more than anybody's opinion. So in the end, this is done only to cast doubt on reasonable or interesting posts.

    2. Re:Chicago schools by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The real issue is that there needs to be a clean out of lazy teachers and administration that refuses to interact with parents- a gallon of bleach dumped into the leach pool.

      Nope, what needs to be done is to nuke the entire syllabus and system from orbit, pretty much. Even with the best will in the world, it's hard to extract anything of worth from the way most subjects are taught. You get this insane system runing round itself in circles (endless tests) to teach worthless subjects (the way e.g. maths is taught seems to be to remove any insight, ffun and worth from it and replace it with midless drudgery, and English, oh gosh whre to even begin). the result is you get both students and teachers who after a few years find it terribly hard to give a crap.

      Only the teachers have to put up with it far longer than students.

      With no other changes, the next lot of teachers you get to replace the current ones will soon end up apathetic and lazy because that's an almost inevitable result of the system.

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    3. Re:Chicago schools by FlyingGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ok, so here I am with serious mod points and should be modding but I have to take umbrage with your remarks

      First of all there have to be parents that are able to interact and for that to happen you need to have at least one parent who is not exhausted after commuting, working long hours and being forced to answer e-mails from PHB's on the weekends and all other times of the day and night and having to drag work home with them to keep up with ludicrous demands.

      • We have to get over this "every child must go to college" sickness and realize we actually need skilled trades a recognize the immense value.
      • We have to start teaching how to approach and solve problems mathematically, instead of teaching times tables. We have to teach SI for gods sake!
      • We have to desperately figure out a way to teach algebra that is not completely mind numbing.
      • We have to put industrial arts backing into high schools! When I was in high school I learned to weld, to use a metal lathe and a milling machine, how to cast aluminum and bronze. I could also take serious wood shop ( we built furniture for fucks sake! ) or serious automotive classes.
      • We simply MUST get on the metric system, I mean really, we are still doing shit in 12ths, really!?!
      • We simply MUST start teaching computer programming as an ART because is IS an art.

      Video games are NOT the answer, never have been never will be. We have to stop coddling children and actually educate them. My son is 13 and still I have to keep on him to get his homework done, and that is my job and I have to do it why? Because he IS 13 and just wants to play soccer and hang out with his buddies.

      Yes there are some lazy teachers, but the vast majority of them really want to do good AND have parental involvement. Teachers know how to teach if you will let them and stop dumbing everything down, we have to raise our standards, not lower them.

      Another thing... I don't give a FUCK what color your skin is, or whatever "troubles" you have. Take a swing at another student and that student didn't swing first, your fucking outa there! Caught with drugs or booze in school, you are fucking outa there. Take a swing at a teacher, your fucking outa there! Be a teacher and fuck a student, you go to prison, Throw a fist at a student who threw a fist and another student, or grabbed my daughters ass, you get a fucking medal!

      Parents, you let your kid show up with his pants hanging below his ass? You get called, you either pick them up or the cops come pick you up, the school is NOT your fucking baby sitter!! You let your daughter go to school in Yoga pants leaving no doubt just how deep her camel toe goes or just exactly how deep her cleavage goes? You get called, you either pick them up or the cops come pick you up, the school is NOT your fucking baby sitter!!

      School is a learning environment not a dating service or fight club

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  3. Re: How about no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You are certainly on the right track here, but the question of prestige is either chicken and egg or the tail wagging the dog depending on who you ask. My wife is often asked why she got a degree in education when she is apparently so intelligent. (Thanks!) She didn't. She got a BS in microbiology and molecular genetics before rejecting(!) grad school and med school. She then earned an MS in Biology (not Bio education or MST, etc.. A research oriented degree.) She lives in a rare state where she is paid a nearly fair wage.

    The biggest problem to her retention is the intense disrespect she faces from nearly every stranger she meets. (And, fwiw, she isn't much worried personally about standardized test scores -- her students are almost always the highest in the district. The perfect student scorers are almost always hers.)

    When people insult teachers very broadly, as they almost always do now, its hard to stay, much less to commit to what is perceived as a "sinking ship" full of stupid folk.

    Fixing the professional guideposts is not enough alone -- fix the dialogue. We finally, after the Vietnam war in the US, decided to respect the majority of the troops and hold the institution responsible for the big fuck ups, and while some soldiers *are* stupid both the society at large and the military have seen the benefit, recruitment and otherwise.

  4. Be a Good Parent by some+old+guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    TFA is a dot on the trend line of parental and educational laziness, IMHO. Parents slough off responsibility for their kids' educations to schools of questionable quality. The schools in turn palm of their work to computers. It's sad, and the only effective remedy is parental re-involvement.

    I knew the schools sucked when my son was reading 3 grade levels above his peers at age 6. Now he's a sophomore in High School, and further along (knowlege-wise) toward his BSEE than most e-school juniors because I take the time to not just nurture and encourage but actually teach him at whatever level he is ready for. He's 15, and has built his own Siemens S7 PLC lab project. His science classmates won't get Ohm's Law till next year. Pity them.

    We can blab all day about how to fix teh skoolz, but when it comes to your own kids, give them your best. As a parent, you owe it to them. The schools aren't going to do it for you.

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