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WSJ Refused To Publish Lawrence Krauss' Response To "Science Proves Religion"

First time accepted submitter Kubla Kahhhn! writes Recently, the WSJ posted a controversial piece "Science Increasingly Makes a Case for God", written by non-scientist Eric Metaxas. Noted astrophysicist Lawrence Krauss wrote a simple and clear retort in a letter to the editor, which the WSJ declined to publish, but Richard Dawkins did.

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  1. HHG Strikes Again by chinton · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let me guess, it was written by Oolon Colluphid.

  2. Re: Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They didn't publish a retort from a respected scientist after publishing a some complete woo by a charlatan.

    It's considered good journalistic practice to publish responses or apologies when you fuck up - not that I'm implying that WSJ deserves such high expectations.

  3. A Simple Retort by thedonger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The nature of God is such that it cannot be proven. Otherwise, we lose the choice to believe.

    That said, science has yet to prove what the universe is, so how could we expect it to prove something outside of it?

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    1. Re:A Simple Retort by sbaker · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You have that a little wrong. God *can* (in principle) be proven. If the sky breaks open, choirs of angels break forth, a 10km-long arm reaches down from the skies and an 8km golden-haired, bearded face looks down upon humanity and utters words of unshakable truth...then God is proven.

      God cannot, however, be DISproven. It's an unfalsifiable hypothesis. So, you're right, science cannot ever say, definitively, that god doesn't exist. It also can't disprove the hypothesis that the universe was created by an invisible pink unicorn...or any other random idea that humans might come up with that entails a literally omnipotent/omniscient being.

      But that COMPLETELY misses what this is all about. The original WSJ article is a non-scientist claiming that science has indeed proven the existence of god. That's quite clearly incorrect...and I think you'd have to look very hard to find a competent scientist in the fields involved who'd agree with that claim. So WSJ (essentially) published something that's completely untrue, incorrect, misleading - just plain *WRONG*...and journalistic integrity says that they should now be working very hard to fix that...not rejecting a perfectly sensible response from someone who knows exactly what he's talking about.

      So bad on WSJ...and at least we can make that badness clear by discussing it here.

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  4. Re:Yawn by hodet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They didn't print an opposing and well written view by one of the leading voices in the scientific community on this issue. So the claim here is that the WSJ are biased. But you are right about the yawn. That WSJ article was preaching to the choir and there are plenty of other places to get the counter view.

  5. Fair and balanced, just like Fox News. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would now expect nothing less from the WSJ, once it became a sister publication to the Boston Herald or the New York Post or any of the other myriad rag sheets put out by that wonderful, effervescent, owner, Rupert Murdoch.

  6. It's not your father's Wall Street Journal by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 5, Informative

    It was bought by Murdoch in 2007 and it's editorial director fired in 2008. Since then, it's just another mouthpiece for conservative Republicans (Murdoch also owns Fox News). The Wall Street Journal purchase was made to make Murdoch's news organizations look respectable.

    As is turns out, it was just an expensive suit on a cheap hustler who got lucky enough to get rich with media organizations after inheriting the family business from his father.

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  7. Re: Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So what you're saying is, every time there's an op-ed piece, someone get's to have a retort published?

    That's not what he's saying, and you know it.

    Strawman arguments are lies.

    And there is no appeal to authority, because when the topic is science, a well-respected (note that I don't use scare quotes to dishonestly imply that this isn't really the case) scientist's opinion IS in fact more valid than a non-scientist's.

  8. Null hypothesis by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Athiesm is philosophy, not science.

    That is indeed true. However atheism is essentially a null hypothesis. It makes FAR more sense, in the absence of credible evidence, to believe that there is no "god(s)" than to by default in a theist position. Believing in a deity as a default position because you can't prove one doesn't exist is completely irrational. By comparison the only irrational position an atheist can take is to say they are unwilling to be convinced by credible evidence that a god of some description exists. But since no such credible objective evidence actually has ever been presented it's only irrational in principle since their conclusion (the null hypothesis) remains the same.

    Since scientists tend to be rational thinkers they would logically start with the null hypothesis that there is no god unless evidence shows otherwise. Most would be willing to be convinced that god exists (call that agnosticism if you want) but can find no sane basis to do so without some amount of credible evidence. So they maintain the null hypothesis that there is no god as there is no evidence to move them from the null hypothesis.

    1. Re:Null hypothesis by capedgirardeau · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is actually pretty rational to believe in God because, why not?

      Which god? What happens if you believe in the wrong one and the real god ends up super pissed off? For all you know, the god you believe in might be an ex of the real god.

      You might very well be worse off than if you had believed in no god.

      Pascals Wager has been a discredited reason for believing in a god for a long time now.

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  9. Re: Yawn by Immerman · · Score: 5, Informative

    A scientists view of claims that "science proves religion" however, is likely to be *far* more valid. Especially in the typical case where the arguments are as blatantly misleading as "science says this is hard, so god must have done it" while ignoring that science also explains why we should expect it to happen anyway.

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  10. Re: Yawn by Kierthos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Likewise, atheism is not a lack of a value system. Just because I don't believe in some sort of higher power does not mean I don't have values.

    Pretending that atheists are amoral is a fool's errand.

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