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Intel Unveils 5th Gen Core Series Broadwell-U CPUs and Cherry Trail Atom

MojoKid writes Intel has officially taken the wraps off its 5th generation Core Series notebook processor, code named Broadwell-U. This new SoC is a "tick" in Intel's tick-tock plan, which means it's mostly a die shrink of the existing Haswell architecture, at least on the CPU side. On the GPU side, there's a bevy of improvements and advances, and the video decoder block has been beefed up with dual bit stream decoders in its high-end (GT3) hardware. Other feature improvements and capabilities are expected, though Intel has been quiet on exactly what they have tweaked and changed to date. Intel is claiming that the architecture will boost battery life by 1.5 hours, speed video conversions, and offer a whopping 22% improvement to 3D performance — a gain on par with what we saw when moving from Ivy Bridge to Haswell. Intel also took the wraps off their next gen Atom CPU, code named Cherry Trail. This is essentially a 14nm Bay Trail die shrink that's been on the roadmap for a while. As with Haswell-Broadwell, the Bay Trail-Cherry Trail shift is aimed at improving CPU power consumption and overall SoC power characteristics, though again, we'll see an updated GPU baked in as well.

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  1. But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But you won't be allowed to view copyrighted content with them.

  2. Macbook Air? Mac mini? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 0

    Will Apple update the Macbook Air and the Mac mini with these new CPUs?

    1. Re:Macbook Air? Mac mini? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Was that an honest question?

    2. Re:Macbook Air? Mac mini? by slaker · · Score: 2

      I say this in all seriousness: Who cares? If you're in Apple's world, you take what Apple gives you. If you don't like Apple's offerings, you can either invest the energy in getting a Hackintosh running or buy the thing Apple consents to sell you.

      For what it's worth, Intel NUCs make pretty good Hackintoshes.

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    3. Re:Macbook Air? Mac mini? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of Macbook Air users who are technically literate and care about such questions. Anyone working in the programming world knows that MBAs are fairly pervasive due to the long battery life and tiny size. I have a friend who coded the backend of his startup on his MBA and also uses the unix shell for unit testing in his engineering dayjob, and have interviewed at a hacker friendly programming company that is almost entirely iMacs in house.

      It's not all black and white, there are plenty of competent mac users out there.

    4. Re:Macbook Air? Mac mini? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you've been paying attention you'd know that Apple today generally has first crack at Intel's newest hot silicon. (At least in mobile devices like laptops)

      The original Macbook Air had Intel chips/chipsets that were unavailable anywhere else for a good 6-8 months.

    5. Re:Macbook Air? Mac mini? by vux984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are plenty of Macbook Air users who are technically literate and care about such questions

      He didn't say there weren't. He said it doesn't matter if they care. Because no matter how much they care, if apple doesn't adopt these and they need a new macbook... then they will buy either the slower one apple is selling or the slightly faster one for a silly markup.

      And so forth... do you want a Cherry Trail mac? Maybe you do... so what?

      Maybe Apple will make one, or maybe they'll just sit on their thumbs for another rake in the profit of selling a 2 year old product for the same price as the day it was announced and then go with whatever the next chipset is next year for the next refresh.

      If your tech savvy and want to buy mac...
      http://buyersguide.macrumors.c...

      This is pretty much the site to go to. Buy something recently refreshed. Don't buy something that hasn't been recently refreshed. If you want a mini and you like the specs buy it now. Its not going to get any better any time soon.

      If you want an air? Wait if you can, and buy whatever it is they refresh it with when they refresh it.

      That's the point... it doesn't matter what you -want- in a product. Either it has it or it doesn't. All you can really control is whether or not you can wait for the next refresh or not... and sometimes you can't even control that.

      I like Mac hardware in terms of overal build quality. I loathe it in terms of selection.

    6. Re:Macbook Air? Mac mini? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Will Apple update the Macbook Air and the Mac mini with these new CPUs?

      Mac Mini was already updated recently, so no, that won't be updated. The Mac Mini and Mac Pro are the black sheep fo the product line - they basically do NOT sell. Apple probably wants to drop both but there's a contingent of very loud complainers who would raise the global noise level should Apple actually do so.

      (And no, the new Mac Mini is not faster than the old - blame Intel for that one since Intel decided to not keep the footprints the same. Apple in the end chose one socket and had to fit all the options using that socket - Intel chose to make their quad-core i7 a different socket and the Mac Mini's production run doesn't justify having multiple motherboards).

      Macbook Air though was presumably waiting for Broadwell to come out, so quite possibly. The portables still do sell well enough that Apple puts a minimal amount of money in them.

    7. Re:Macbook Air? Mac mini? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is ARM's turn next, you silly.

    8. Re:Macbook Air? Mac mini? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who buy Macs aren't computer savvy. That's why they bought a Mac.

    9. Re:Macbook Air? Mac mini? by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Intel's NUCs are too damned expensive.

    10. Re:Macbook Air? Mac mini? by GlobalEcho · · Score: 1

      The Mac Mini and Mac Pro are the black sheep fo the product line .... Apple probably wants to drop both but there's a contingent of very loud complainers who would raise the global noise level should Apple actually do so.

      You're right. Some of that noise might well be internal. I bet Apple's own developers would be pretty unhappy without those product lines.

      And no, the new Mac Mini is not faster than the old

      There's a bit of a GPU advantage. It was enough that when when I upgraded my 2009-era Mini-based DVR last month I went with the new Mini rather than a near-equivalent Macmini 6,2.

    11. Re:Macbook Air? Mac mini? by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      Likely but not certain. It would be consistent with their previous upgrades to those lines. There have been rumors that Apple is considering a shift to ARM for their Mac line; if they go that way they won't be buying future Intel processors.

    12. Re:Macbook Air? Mac mini? by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      The Mac Mini is a legacy product for Apple, much like the iPod Classic was. They aren't going to be putting much money into upgrades, but they will continue selling them so long as people buy them and the parts to make them don't get discontinued. (The demise of the iPod Classic finally happened when 1.8" hard drives went out of production; Apple was the only significant customer that was still using them.) Apple might even consider going to a new motherboard for an upgrade if they can go to the SAME new motherboard for all the models, rather than needing multiple versions for different parts of the product line.

      The Mac Pro is a different beast that has a different reason for existing. Apple probably isn't making any money on the Pro; doing all that custom engineering and manufacturing for a low volume product pretty much guarantees that. But it's a product that needs to exist to keep high end creative professionals in the fold; if no such product existed those people would start to defect to Windows or Linux. Having those people in the Mac ecosystem helps Apple sell their higher volume iMac and Macbook lines.

      The Macbook Air is a key part of Apple's product line. It will certainly get an upgrade unless Apple decides to shift to ARM.

    13. Re:Macbook Air? Mac mini? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been waiting for the release of the new Air series for exactly this reason. I'd prefer Skylake but that's another year.

  3. am disappoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These are extremely lame products. A core 2 quad from SEVEN YEARS AGO had more cores, more cache and was probably faster. Moore's law is deader than a norwegian blue.

    1. Re:am disappoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I own one of those old Core 2 Quads. It also was akin to a volcano. A big gigantic Zalman heatsink / fan (9700) could barely keep it cool. Nowadays, I have a 1.4Ghz dual core i5 that encodes / renders stuff faster, and uses minimal power...

    2. Re:am disappoint by EmagGeek · · Score: 4, Informative

      More speed has not been what the market has wanted in a great number of years. Lowering power consumption has taken a front seat to CPUs being faster.

      That having been said, CPUs ARE getting faster, if you want to pay for it. Outside of that, a core 2 quad from SEVEN YEARS AGO is still about EIGHT TIMES AS MUCH computer power as the average Internet user needs.

    3. Re:am disappoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want people to pay hundreds of dollars to downgrade from what they had seven years ago, I don't think three dollars a year worth of electricity savings is really much of an incentive.

    4. Re:am disappoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to chill a bit

    5. Re:am disappoint by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

      These are extremely lame products. A core 2 quad from SEVEN YEARS AGO had more cores, more cache and was probably faster. Moore's law is deader than a norwegian blue.

      "No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable bird, the Norwegian Blue, idn'it, ay? Beautiful plumage!"

    6. Re:am disappoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was talking about the twelve-megabyte version. A large cache makes it a bit less volcanic.

    7. Re:am disappoint by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Haswell was underwhelming, and this as a 'tock' is basically Haswell SE. Now with even more minor improvements.

      Well, you can't blame them for giving AMD a chance to catch up, it was looking grim with the first 3 generations of Intel Core architectures.

    8. Re:am disappoint by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      It wasn't supposed to be the scripted, interpreted, bloated hellhole that it is now either.

    9. Re:am disappoint by wbr1 · · Score: 1
      This... aside from hard drive failure (other hardware failure is rare in comparison), and malware/OS bloat. There is nothing a core 2 duo cant do for 90% of computer users.

      The only way that will change is a killer app that requires more (which I do not see). For workstations and scientific data the march is great, but it has moved beyond consumer needs.

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    10. Re:am disappoint by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Well the newer cpus are like World of Warcraft upgrades with stats. A little percentage points here and there add up quickly overtime.

      A core2Dou speed per core (grandparent mentioned 4 core) is 1/6 the speed. I am reading 30,000 mips. An i7 has 150,000 mips. Most were just dual core so yes there is certainly a speed boast with a modern processor even if they are gradual every other year.

    11. Re:am disappoint by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      my last 2 system builds were fanless: one was haswell i3 and the other was the amazin haswell i7-4790t (tray only - very hard to find) 45w (!!) cpu. with a decent heatpipe case, its my first truly silent, fanless i7 system. I love it! builds linux kernels (make -j9) in less time than it takes to write this post ;)

      the i3 is a 35w cpu and pretty amazing on its own, but the fanless i7 (mini-itx board, btw) is really something else!

      only down-side is that intel farked up usb in some way so that my 24/192 uac2 audio dongle no longer works (stutters in both linux and win7 so its not a driver or dongle issue but something intel did really wrong on their usb system).

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    12. Re:am disappoint by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      haswell brought amazing power savings, and for the first time, I was able to build a truly fanless/silent i7 system.

      that was a game-changer for me. nice HTPC (also doubles as a linux build server) that will handle any video I throw at it, even ones that hardware decoders have trouble with.

      35w i3 and 45w i7 chips are a big step forward.

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    13. Re:am disappoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fankess i7... i do hope you don't use it above the capabilities afanless i3 would handle. otherwise you will miss that fan.

    14. Re:am disappoint by weblolek · · Score: 1

      Yes, to days users don't need speed, low energy consumption and miniaturization it is a most important goal.

    15. Re:am disappoint by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      In theory I would like to agree with this, but Firefox and Chrome say otherwise. In the last year, they've gone from speedy on a Core2Duo to bloated and slow on a modern i5.

      You want to know the only machine I have that Firefox runs well on including my extensions? A 5Ghz (heavily overclocked, of course) i5... Even the i5 in my laptop (which turbo boosts up to 3GHz) struggles at times.

      Yes, I know, I should pare down my selection of extensions etc. - but shouldn't a 3GHz i5 with an SSD and 16 gigs of RAM be able to run a simple browser without issues? And more often than not, it's the websites themselves that are slowing everything down - Slashdot is fine, but loading multimedia-heavy pages actually puts a noticeable load on a modern laptop CPU, which is quite different from a few years ago.

    16. Re:am disappoint by wbr1 · · Score: 1

      It is not 'a simple browser' when loaded with extensions. Without extensions, the performance of chrome and firefox are fine. My argument holds, and the issues is not the browser. The biggest issue I see is webpage bloat. 2-3 tabs can easily take over 1GB RAM, but RAM is cheap and easily upgradable in most cases.

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    17. Re:am disappoint by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      Other than ABP, NoSquint and PushBullet, I don't really have anything of note installed right now, and it's still slow as balls. :(

    18. Re:am disappoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "and was probably faster" is where you are an idiot.

      In no way would a Core 2 Quad from 7 years ago be faster. Plus, you are comparing a DESKTOP processor with a MOBILE processor announcement.

    19. Re:am disappoint by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      45watts and this case make it 100% proper and clean:

      http://www.amazon.com/Streacom...

      not a hack. proper install with more than enough heatsinking.

      check it out!

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    20. Re:am disappoint by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      A big part of the problem is that web pages keep getting more and more Javascript code. Just having Facebook open is a huge CPU drain these days.

    21. Re:am disappoint by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      As photographic image improvement algorithms become more advanced, some will make their way to consumer-level software. Motion-blurred photos are very compute-expensive to correct; expect several minutes per image with a 3 GHz processor. More than a few seconds to view a sharp image is not going to make most people happy.

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    22. Re:am disappoint by toddestan · · Score: 1

      The Haswell chips idle at an incredibly low power level, but how long can you run that chip at 100% before it starts to throttle back? I appreciate a quiet system too, but I always make sure that it can run 100% indefinitely if need be.

    23. Re:am disappoint by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I've seen some benchmarks that put the Haswell Pentium G3xxx series processors (which are dual core chips) at about the same speed as the first Core 2 Quads. So basically Intel's budget processors are about equal to their top end 7 years ago, Considering that the current Pentium chips are more than adequate for most people, most people would also find that Core 2 system to be perfectly usable. Which is kind of amazing, as 15 years ago even the cheapest Coppermine Celeron was worlds faster than Intel's best in 1993.

  4. Re:Cherry Trail, now with more Tampon o.0 by TheDarkener · · Score: 0, Troll

    Hey, sex sells. Even women get it (that's what she said).

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  5. Re:Cherry Trail, now with more Tampon o.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the award for "We had to hire him, he is my brother's wife's nephew and we'll just stick him in the comes up with the most idiotic names on the planet department" (a.k.a. there was not a EXECUTIVE WOMAN in the room when they make these names up room) goes to....

    In Intel the lawyers decide what project names you can use.

    There are plenty of women executives, covering a diverse distribution of management competence.

  6. Re:And the award for dumbest faggot goes to Joviex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Congrats on both trolling AND spewing discriminatory remarks in the same sentence. Oh, and you sound like an idiot.

  7. Note it's the notebook / laptop edition by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

    The proper desktop one is delayed still. They have virtually no competition or incentive to release it and with people buying phones, tablets, slates, laptops far more than desktops now, the hardcore desktop community (what's left of it) is going to just have to sit and wait unfortunately.

    Also it'll be, as per usual for Intel the past 4 years, about 5% faster than the old one :/ (at the same price though)

    1. Re:Note it's the notebook / laptop edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Skylake is scheduled to come out a few months after Broadwell makes it to desktop so there will be no reason to buy a Broadwell CPU whatsoever. Skylake should be a pretty big improvement, especially for those of us still on Sandybridge like me.

    2. Re:Note it's the notebook / laptop edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or those who are on an AMD Phenom like me...

      Bring on Skylake!

  8. Poor AMD by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    Only a matter of time before these Atoms blow the lid off 8 core cpus sadly.

    I would hate an Intel only world and I wonder how it survives. Haswel era I5s can easily outdo the 8 core as they are 50% slower per core making it an i3 competitor. Now another 22% boast would put this AMDs premier in Celeron territory.

    1. Re:Poor AMD by willy_me · · Score: 1

      These latest CPUs do not appear to improve CPU performance at all. They talk about GPU improvements, reduced energy consumption, and improved video encoding. If they did not bother mentioning CPU performance then you can be assured that it is minimal if any.

      What they do talk about is price - $426 for 1000 units of the i7-5557U. With prices like that there will be a market for AMD CPUs. But it is a shame that AMD is not faster. With Intel the only game in town CPU prices will skyrocket. Even now, Intel appears to be competing more with themselves then AMD. Hard to warrant a computer upgrade these days.

    2. Re:Poor AMD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For that price I can buy an entire used LGA1366-based Xeon system with 6 cores, 8GB ram that still performs quite well. May not be as efficient nor fastest, but the money I save can more than pay for the bit of extra electricity it uses.

      But this is great for me about 3 years down the road when I am looking for another used system :-)

    3. Re:Poor AMD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      old guy here.

      I have been there. Back in the 1980s IBM had blown away its mainframe competitors. There followed a long period of basically no improvements.

      We really really need competition.

    4. Re:Poor AMD by nhat11 · · Score: 1

      Eh they do have competition and it's bigger than AMD, it's ARMs and that is who Intel is competing and changed their business plan because of them otherwise Intel could care less about mobile

    5. Re:Poor AMD by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Also if your parts max out at 80 watt rather than 160 if someone need more performance use two of them ..

  9. Re:And the award for dumbest faggot goes to Joviex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Boohoo. I'll have to cry myself to sleep tonight.

  10. Re:am disappoint, yea so am i by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does any one know whats the size of the L0 and L1 cache?

  11. Shame its not ARM compatible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because not many apps that use native are compiled or tested with non-ARM chipset support, but at least they're trying to catch up.

    1. Re:Shame its not ARM compatible by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      It is ARM compatible. I was programming for an Android device in C for a week or so before even realizing it was an Intel device, not an ARM device, and even then only noticed because I was calling dlopen() and it didn't work importing an Intel DLL into an ARM executable.

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    2. Re:Shame its not ARM compatible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you are saying it is not really all that compatible

    3. Re:Shame its not ARM compatible by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Sounds pretty compatible if you ask me. I wouldn't expect a virtualized ARM processor to load x86 code.

    4. Re:Shame its not ARM compatible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he's saying he's not sure how even android ndk runs under a vm...

  12. Get Haswell now get broadwell desktop now? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Get Haswell now get broadwell desktop now or wait for 2016 for sky lake?

    Haswell-E sucks the $300 cpu now has less pci-e lanes then the last gen and you need to pay $200 more to get the lanes you used to get with a small MHZ boost.

    1. Re:Get Haswell now get broadwell desktop now? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      And that's such a problem because a GTX 970 uses about 10% of the 16x PCI-express 3 BW?

      (Maybe it was 20%, I think 10%. I don't know how SLI work but 8x is likely still plenty.)

    2. Re:Get Haswell now get broadwell desktop now? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      It's the same with RAM.

      Run a game on 4790K with DDR3 and it still will perform nicely.

      Benchmark a octo-core with quad-channel 2133 and 3000 MHz DDR4 and it will show a difference in synthetic benchmarks but more or less nothing in real world usage.

  13. Why do we need processor speed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aside from mobile devices, I don't understand the competitiveness for speed unless you do video transcoding or similar frequently. I'm still on a first gen i7 920. Processor speed typically isn't a bottleneck anymore (As far as I've seen). It's always video memory and ram.

    Am I wrong?

    1. Re:Why do we need processor speed? by armanox · · Score: 1

      Laptops are where I've noticed the biggest gaps between generations lately. Comparing a first gen i7 laptop to a third gen shows huge boosts in processor performance. On the desktop? I see no reason to replace my third gen i5 (if my motherboard hadn't died I'd be using an i7 920 right now too).

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  14. but.... by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    But the real question is, are they going to be underclocked, slow, pathetic pieces of garbage like the first gen mobile Haswells? Plus, some I come across from the 3rd or 4th gen are soldered to the board! If you think I'm exaggerating, the most commonly used 3rd gen celeron mobile CPU had a passmark rating of around 1900-2000. The most common N-series celeron mobile Haswell CPUs is rated barely 1000. That's half the speed.

  15. bleh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    was hoping for new beef-tastic destkop CPUs.

    i want to upgrade... i do... but we just arent here yet. i still have a phenom II quad-core CPU, 4GB DDR2 1066, and a gtx 580 3GB.

    would like a super beefy 8+ core CPU with a primary emphasis on individual core performance (i will cool it as necessary), 16GB+ of flavor du jour RAM (DDR4 or whatever, who cares), and speed demon GPU with ~12+GB of stacked DRAM/3D VRAM @ ~1TB/sec.

    i want to drive a 4k ~60" TV at 8k with aggressive SMAA and friends.

    1. Re:bleh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet your porn looks great on that!

  16. TSX fixed? by Eric+Smith · · Score: 1

    TSX was disabled in Broadwell and early Haswell chips due to a bug. Do these new Broadwell-U have the TSX fix?

    I have an experimental workload for which TSX would be very helpful, due to a need for atomic reads and writes of unaligned 10-byte data items. As far as I can determine, x86 provides no other way to guarantee atomicity of an unaligned 10-byte read or write.

  17. I have to ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just who the hell still buys Atoms, Celerons and Pentiums?

  18. Its all about power savings anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The race to add more clock speed has taken a back seat to power conserving. Just for example the Macbook Air has always used a low powered version of the mobile
    Intel chip and I would not doubt the Macbook Pro's will eventually see a version. Its been a conversation for a while that some older Macbook Air's are clocked faster then newer models. Could easily say that with some PC models today because its quite common even in non Ultrabook's to see ultra low powered chips. Not only because of low power consumption which has halved from 30 watts to 15 watts or less. But also because many of these chips also save PC and Apple manufactures in costs per chip. Anymore, you want a powerhouse mobile chip you best be spending some cake on a mobile gaming machine. As someone who has used a 4030U Intel chip on a PC and a even slower U series chip on a Macbook Air. Both performed very well and don't suffer because of the low power. Its benefits of better battery life, cooler operation and in tern less weight because of a smaller battery. Are positives that outweigh the clock speed compromises.

  19. TSX fixed? by blagder · · Score: 1

    You could also try LOCK CMPXCHG16B. However, cacheline-crossing locked operations can be very slow

  20. Better battery life, assuming... by Pollux · · Score: 1

    Similarly, the company is arguing that it can boost battery life by 1.5 hours.

    Assuming you are using the same battery.

    I bought a lot of 30 laptops for my school w/ 3rd gen Core i3's. Laptops contained a 56Wh battery. Following year, I bought another lot of 30 hours with 4th gen Core i3's. Laptops contained a 47Wh battery. Give the Big 3 a CPU that extends battery life, they package it with a shorter-life battery and pocket the savings.