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Sony Thinks You'll Pay $1200 For a Digital Walkman

An anonymous reader writes: The Walkman is one of the most recognizable pieces of technology from the 1980s. Unfortunately for Sony, it didn't survive the switch to digital, and they discontinued it in 2010. Last year, they quietly reintroduced the Walkman brand as a "high-resolution audio player," supporting lossless codecs and better audio-related hardware. At $300, it seemed a bit pricey. But now, at the Consumer Electronics Show, Sony has loudly introduced its high-end digital Walkman, and somehow decided to price it at an astronomical $1,200.

What will all that money get you? 128GB of onboard storage and a microSD slot to go with it. There's a large touchscreen, and the device runs Android — but it uses version 4.2 Jelly Bean, which came out in 2012. It also supports Bluetooth and NFC. Sony claims the device has 33 hours of battery life when playing FLAC files, and 60 hours when playing MP3s. They appear to be targeting audiophiles — their press release includes phrasing about how pedestrian MP3 encoding will "compromise the purity of the original signal."

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  1. Ha by Enry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe they should talk to their friends in Sony Music about the Loudness War first before going on about music purity.

    1. Re:Ha by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Hi-res" does not imply that it has not been DRCed or that it was properly mastered. A recent Bowie CD, for example, that was brickwalled also had hi-res audio that suffered the same issue. "Hi-res" is mostly audiophile marketing fluff.

  2. Not expensive for an audiophile device by popo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Audiophile equipment often costs in the tens of thousands of dollars -- and there will always be a market for it.

    Regarding your title: SONY clearly does not think *you* will pay $1200 for this device. But they know that *someone* will. This isn't a mass market device. It's a very niche product, well-targeted at its niche.

    More importantly: It's great for publicity. After all, it's already being discussed on Slashdot.

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    1. Re:Not expensive for an audiophile device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, there is no hardware that is so superb, but there are people who think there is. We call them audiophiles.

    2. Re:Not expensive for an audiophile device by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For the "audiophile" market, it's all about marketing. There are companies out there that are quite successful at selling multi-thousand dollar speaker cables to the gullible with deep pockets. It doesn't have to actually "sound better". I doubt they expect to move these in high volume, but there are certainly a number of folks that will buy it as a prop and show that they really care about their music. :)

    3. Re:Not expensive for an audiophile device by laird · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd hope that you do in fact get higher quality DAC hardware, connectors, etc., so the actual sound quality is better. But the price is also "inflated" by the product being a niche, audiophile product. That is, if they're targeting a smaller market, they have to cover development costs, marketing, profit, etc., on a much smaller number of unit sales. For example, if they had a $1m marketing budget, and sell 10,000 units, that's $100/unit just for marketing. The same marketing budget for a product that sells 1m units would only be $1/unit. Now do the same math for covering the cost of everything about the product (R&D, running a manufacturing line, support team, etc.). It's the same reason that, back in the day, a "workstation" cost 5x as much as a "desktop computer" - there were some functional differences (unix, etc.), but most of the price difference was just due to the niche market having smaller volumes, so less "economy of scale". Heck, look at sports cars - they don't really cost 20x as much to make as a regular car, it's that they're covering the costs on a tiny fraction of the sales volume.

      This is why, in every market, the best "price/performance" is for the most popular models. When you go up from more you're always paying disproportionately more for better than average.

      I used to think this was insane - why doesn't everyone buy the best price/performance? Then I realized - if you're rich, and you need one of something (car, audio system, watch, etc.) and you can pay a lot more for it to be better than average. As an extreme example, a $24m watch (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/12/business/24-million-gold-watch-sothebys-record-patek-philippe/) doesn't keep time better than the $10 watch, but it's literally one of a kind, an insanely cool piece of engineering that packs astounding functionality into a mechanical watch. But price/performance is near-zero - a $10 plastic watch tells better time, and your smartphone has more functionality.

      So Sony's aiming for the "willing to pay more for better than average" crowd.

  3. Output amplification by jones_supa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They appear to be targeting audiophiles — their press release includes phrasing about how pedestrian MP3 encoding will "compromise the purity of the original signal.

    Well, does it have proper headphone amplifier? The audio output of typical mobile gadgets is poor for driving good chunky headphones: there is noise, there is not enough energy to deliver good bass, and the sound is just smudgy.

  4. Re: Clearly by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They give you enough space to store $40k in legally purchased music... in comparison, $1200 is chump change.

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  5. Re:Nothing New for Sony... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's far from the one and only problem with Sony.

    They're assholes. They're anti-consumer. They're constantly trying to achieve vendor lock in. They treat the security of their consumers data as an afterthought.

    Sony is a malicious entity, and has been for the last 20 years.

    From what they do as part of the *AA mafia, to rootkits, to pretty much every damned thing Sony does ... they do not deserve your money or your respect.

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  6. Re:Nothing New for Sony... by MitchDev · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I thought that was Apple's problem...

  7. Re:Nothing New for Sony... by war4peace · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple arguably offers higher-quality (made) stuff, Sony doesn't, not really.
    To me, "overpriced" means "I'm selling the same shit anyone else sells but at twice the price because the logo on my shit says $BRAND".

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  8. Obligatory by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.

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  9. Re: Clearly by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think that would be enough storage for a typical audiophile's full collection if it was all lossless, which this device espouses. For $1,200 it should be at least 512GB IMO, which the NAND storage alone should have a BOM cost of less than $100.

    Anyway it seems that Sony made the same mistake in the MP3 player market that Microsoft did in the smartphone market; they saw the incoming demand for a new kind of product and just flat out ignored it.