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Gun Rights Hacktivists To Fab 3D-Printed Guns At State Capitol

giulioprisco writes On January 13th Come And Take Texas (CATI) will be manufacturing 3D-printed firearms on location at the State Capitol. In 2013 Defense Distributed made public the 3D printable files (STL files) for the world's first fully 3D printable gun. Their more recent Ghost Gunner is designed to automatically manufacture publicly created designs with nearly zero user interaction. According to CATI’s website, “In the last year and a half Texan Gun Rights Groups all around the Lone Star State have walked, assembled, and engaged in Humanitarian efforts all while Open Carrying their Long Guns and Black Powder Pistols. This has succeeded in Educating the Public as well as Law Enforcement, to show that the presence of Firearms in Public is not only Safe but Highly supported.”

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  1. however, Proper Capitalization by Slartibartfast · · Score: 3, Insightful

    is Still a Lost Art. Thank goodness for "Educating" the Public.

    1. Re:however, Proper Capitalization by belthize · · Score: 5, Funny

      I blame all the pinko commie anti-capitalists.

  2. Thanks, assholes by rainwalker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If there's anything that'll push forward legal restrictions on 3D printers/home CNC, it'll be assholes like this making a media push over how easy it is to make weapons and OMG THE CHILDREN. This is why we can't have nice things.

    1. Re:Thanks, assholes by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Times and technology change, the law has to be updated. The current rules seem to be based on the fact that few people have the ability or means to produce their own reliable and accurate firearms. As such the requirement that purchased weapons have a serial number and some traceability, as well as restrictions on who can buy them in some areas, was considered reasonable by law makers.

      3D printers will allow anyone to print a reliable and somewhat accurate weapon cheaply one day. At the moment they are still expensive, but won't stay that way for long. As such, the law may need to change in order to maintain the status quo, or a decision will have to be made to accept that untraceable non-metal weapons in widespread ownership.

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    2. Re:Thanks, assholes by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Informative
      There's currently nothing illegal about making your own guns with other methods, why should we worry about 3D printers making the parts for them?

      As long as you aren't making a fully automatic weapon, it is perfectly legal today to make your own guns by any means (CNC, 3D printer, holodeck...etc).

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    3. Re:Thanks, assholes by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...because children are an emotional cudgel with which folks try to beat down logical arguments. Folks treat it like some sort of trump card in a debate.

      A: "...but your proposal is unconstitutional because it directly violates..."

      B: "...DEAD CHILD! YOU WANT DEAD CHILDREN YOU EVIL FUCK! HEY EVERYONE! THIS GUY WANTS TO KILL CHILDREN!"

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    4. Re: Thanks, assholes by RabidReindeer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You don't need guns to take down a bunch of clowns with boxcutters when there's 200 of you and 4 of them.

      What was lacking wasn't firearms, it was the realization that the usual way of dealing with hijackers no longer worked. Flight 93 was warned in time to change to a more active response. If they'd known even earlier, they might have even been able to save the pilots.

    5. Re: Thanks, assholes by TheCarp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well yes and no. The main thing that 9/11 hijackers exploited was NOT the fact that passengers were disarmed but, the fact that previous hijackings all resulted in hostage situations. Seriously, you are sitting in a seat, on an airplane, going somewhere.

      In a pre-9/11 world (ugh i can't believe I said that), what is your expectation when a hijacking happens? You expect the plane will be grounded, the hijackers will make demands. Eventually they will either be killed and arrested, but you are going to be released within a couple of days, unharmed.

      A small crowd can easily overpower a couple of hijackers with knives. The reason they didn't was simply that everyone expected they were going to be walking out alive and well within a few days.

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    6. Re:Thanks, assholes by necro81 · · Score: 4, Informative

      3D printers will allow anyone to print a reliable and somewhat accurate weapon cheaply one day. At the moment they are still expensive, but won't stay that way for long

      The notion of a "reliable and somewhat accurate weapon" coming from a $2,000 FDM (fused deposition modeling, i.e., plastic extruder) is laughable and drastically oversells the ability of the technology. Oh, sure, you can produce a gun today that'll kill someone, but don't expect 3D printers to enable the next Continental Army.

      Perhaps a gunsmith could say otherwise, but my understanding is that a "reliable and somewhat accurate weapon" requires metal. 3D printing of metal is going to stay expensive for a long time, maybe for good, if only because the power it takes to sinter/melt metal is high and isn't going down. A 40-kW laser in every tinkerer's basement isn't likely. I've seen FDM-like metal printers that are more or less wire welders on an XYZ base, but the results leave much to be desired. Even then, a printed metal part will still need a decent amount of post-machining, in which case you may be better off fab'ing your gun from solid stock.

      (I use 3D printing (FDM, SLS, DLMS) in my day-to-day job, have experience with hobbyist 3D printers)

    7. Re:Thanks, assholes by ganjadude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the law has to be updated.

      So call in a constitutional convention, and get 2/3rds of the states to agree. that is the ONLY Legal way to make the changes you want

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    8. Re: Thanks, assholes by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just to add to your comment, during the pre-9/11 days, standing up to the terrorists risked injury or death. Sitting quietly virtually guaranteed you'd emerge unharmed.

      The 9/11 terrorists exploited this mindset but that's a one time deal. If some terrorists were to try to take over a plane tomorrow, the passengers wouldn't just sit quietly since now sitting quietly equals certain death. When one option is certain death, fighting back is a better option even if you might die in the process.

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    9. Re: Thanks, assholes by LDAPMAN · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, the data shows the opposite. The areas with the highest density of legal guns have the lowest crime. The most commonly cited example is Kennesaw GA.

      http://rense.com/general9/gunl...
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K...

    10. Re:Thanks, assholes by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Recently seen on Facebook:

      'I want gay married couples to be able to defend their marijuana plants with guns.'

      Couldn't agree more.

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    11. Re: Thanks, assholes by harrkev · · Score: 4, Informative

      Since when does "disarm everybody" work that well on crime?

      Austalia had a great "gun-ban" and their homicide rate DID go down (it wend down MORE here is the USA during the same period, but why bother with facts). Let's look at one of the consequences:

      http://www.aic.gov.au/dataTool...

      Choose Homicide, 1995 and Homicide, 2012. The number of gun homicides, by percentage, looks almost EXACTLY the same. Firearm usage in murder dropped from 18.38% to17.5% Wow. WHAT A SLAM DUNK! There might be a LOT of reasons for the decrease in homicide rate, but apparently less than 1% can be attributed to banning guns. Wow, that makes a difference, huh?

      I know, Australia is also cracking down on knife crime too, and cops can hassle a person for carrying a Leatherman -- nice freedom over there guys.

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    12. Re: Thanks, assholes by BlueStrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your "belief" does not, however, trump the reality that an increased number of people carrying weapons for self defense purposes creates a safer society.

      Citation needed.

      Look at it like this: The only effective counter to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. There are more good people than bad people. Bad people will always have access to guns because they do not follow laws or restrictions.Therefor, having more of the general public armed means more good guys with guns than bad guys with guns. Q.E..D.

      Strat

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    13. Re:Thanks, assholes by harrkev · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hmmm. What else does Detroit also have? Yes, the have guns. So does Dallas, but Dallas is much safer. Detroit has major economic problems, which Texas does not suffer from so much.

      It is not the guns, it is the poverty. Why not attack the root cause instead of just the tools used?

      If you take guns away from Detroit, you still have more criminals, just without guns. Take away poverty and provide jobs and you don't just reduce crime, but you also make the general population much happier, as they could then afford luxuries like food.

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    14. Re: Thanks, assholes by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Please explain why this is relevant. The 2nd explicitly states that is it because of the need for a militia that the right will not be infringed. I don't see where there is any requirement that gun bearers be members of the militia or that the militia itself even must exist, just that because of the need for one, the right wont be.

      It is a clause in support of the declaration that the right will not be infringed, I see no dependency on it.

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    15. Re: Thanks, assholes by mi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the second amendment speaks of redcoats and muskets

      No, actually, neither word is found anywhere in the Bill of Rights.

      then there is the whole *well-regulated* part: trianing, proficiency, responsibility, level headedness *BEFORE* you get a gun.

      If we read the 1st Amendment the way you propose we read the 2nd, then your Freedom of Speech would also be limited — to Petitioning the Government. And only for Redress of Grievances. And only after a cool-off period. And only using the medium in existence back then — not on radio, TV, or the Internet.

      As things stand, however, we consider selling pornography on the Internet and the publishing of bomb-making instructions to be protected by the 1st Amendment...

      the second amendment is nothing at all like the dirty harry fiction

      Huh? I think, you got carried away...

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    16. Re: Thanks, assholes by shocking · · Score: 4, Informative

      You've carefully elided the fact that homicide rate in Australia is about a quarter of that of the US. The reason the homicide rate in the US fell more, is because it had a lot further to fall - and it's still four times that of Australia! You might consider the trade-off worthwhile, the tree of liberty needing to be watered by the blood of innocents from time to time and all that, but we don't. Over here you look like a bunch of crazed loons.

      The knife thing is about knives over a certain size (poor Crocodile Dundee!). I have carted around a Leatherman (the knife) plenty of times and have not been hassled.

  3. Not doing what they're thinking by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They think they're protesting against gun control, but they're actually making a powerful and probably effective protest for 3D printer control.

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  4. Highly supported? by Grisstle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems to me that there has been a lot of media and public backlash against open carry. I'm not personally affected by open carry at the moment, but I'd be hesitant to visit any state where open carry becomes too prolific. My opinion is simply that when everyone open carries, I will have a harder time discerning who is a threat and who isn't.

  5. Huh? by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It seems to me that there has been a lot of media and public backlash against open carry. I'm not personally affected by open carry at the moment, but I'd be hesitant to visit any state where open carry becomes too prolific. My opinion is simply that when everyone open carries, I will have a harder time discerning who is a threat and who isn't.

    You do realize what OPEN carry means, right? It generally means on the hip, outside the clothes, ie. in plain view. As in, you know EXACTLY who is carrying and who isn't. Now, CONCEALED carry is where the firearm is tucked away in a pocket, or a shoulder holster under a jacket, or inside the waistband. Concealed carry is when you don't know who is armed and who isn't. For gun control advocates open carry should be preferable to concealed carry, because you can at least tell who is armed and who isn't.

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  6. Re:Kudos to 2nd Amendment activists! by hweimer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because a right not exercised is a right lost .

    Does this also apply to the Right to Die?

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  7. Priveldge Protest by T.E.D. · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Interesting country, where white folks earnestly protest that they should be able to openly carry weapons and not be viewed as a threat, while black folks have to protest that they should be able to walk around unarmed and not be viewed as a threat.

  8. All just show ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you don't plan on using any of these much vaunted gun rights to defend the other rights in your Constitution, WTF is the point?

    If you're going to say "well, the 1st amendment is shot, the 4th is being ignored, the 5th is being tramped on, but I have my gun" ... why the hell are you even bothering??

    Why are none of you gun advocates killing off the NSA officials and the rest of the security people who are shitting all over the rest of your fucking rights? Or are you just a bunch of one trick ponies who only give a crap about your guns?

    If so, you should seriously STFU and start worrying about the other rights they've been taking away from you. Otherwise you're just a bunch of children playing cowboy.

    Or should we conclude gun advocates are totally OK with tyranny and the erosion of your other rights?

    If you won't defend the rest of your Constitutional rights, you don't deserve this one either.

    Pathetic.

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  9. Why promote dangerous fanatics? by laird · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The whole idea is stupid - good quality guns in the US (where this is going on) are cheap and easily available. 3D printed guns are expensive and incredibly unsafe, because they're not only made of bonded plastic powder or filament, which can't stand up to the stress of gunpowder exploding, so the guns risk exploding and injuring the user, and in any case will be inaccurate and have a very short useful life. You could make a better "gun" with a block of wood and a drill, more quickly and at lower cost.

    The only perspective from which this makes sense is that they're gun fanatics trying to attach themselves to 3D printing for PR purposes, to promote their theory that there need to be more guns in the US, and that they be completely uncontrolled, which is a position that is not only extremely unpopular (90% of the US supports background checks, so violent felons can't easily get guns, and only a few fanatics think that it's a good idea for guns to not be detected by metal detectors).

    So really, why promote a few fanatics who, if successful, would lead to even more gun deaths in the US? With the internet we can't stop them completely, but by giving them front-page promotion, we're just encouraging them, which is (IMO) extremely bad judgement.

  10. Re:learn your rights! by mpercy · · Score: 3

    Recall that the Founders had just won a war where the people's arms played a key part in overthrowing the despotic government they had lived under--because they had arms they were able to stand up to the British Army. The Founders often expressed their concern that the new government they were founding could itself become despotic (despite the check-and-balances they were building in), and in particular were fundamentally against a standing army. A standing army could be used to oppress the people, but only if the people were not similarly armed. If the people were armed as the standing army, they would easily be able to outnumber any such regular army, and thus the presences of an armed populace--the militia--served as a deterrent to despotic government. So rather than equating the militia to the National Guard, the stated purpose of the militia is specifically to be able to fight the federal government (and its army) to preserve the free state, should it ever come to that.

    I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials.
    George Mason

    Madison: "The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people."

    Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States."

    Alexander Hamilton: "[I]f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude[, ] that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens."

    Theodore Sedgwick: "[it is] a chimerical idea to suppose that a country like this could ever be enslaved. . . Is it possible. . . that an army could be raised for the purpose of enslaving themselves or their brethren? or, if raised whether they could subdue a nation of freemen, who know how to prize liberty and who have arms in their hands?"

  11. Re:learn your rights! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    As ratified by the States:

    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

    Original:

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    Initial proposal:

    The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.

    Then there were a whole bunch of revisions that started

    A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people,

    They removed the definition of militia because it was deemed redundant and they removed the religious objection clause because it was covered under religious freedoms.

    As a side note, reading the Journal of the Senate from 1789 is kind of interesting if you never have. Not only are they doing the Bill of Rights but also establishing a whole slew of the guidelines for how sessions of congress should be run.

  12. This fight is intentional - printing guns is legal by zerofoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Most gun control laws, as currently written, are unconstitutional. The reason they have stood for so long is either challenges were not brought, or the supremes refused to hear the case.

    Heller and Peruta affirmed the individual right to bear arms for the purposes of individual self-defense as well as group defense . It is legal to manufacture firearms for personal use (and always has been). Licensing and serialization are only required if you choose to manufacture arms for sale to others.

    The bottom line is that manufacturing your own weapons is legal - as per the ATF FAQ:

    http://www.atf.gov/files/firea...

    9. May I lawfully make a firearm for my own personal use, provided it is not being made for
    resale?
    Firearms may be lawfully made by persons who do not hold a manufacturer’s license under the GCA
    provided they are not for sale or distribution and the maker is not prohibited from receiving or
    possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from assembling a non-sporting semiautomatic
    rifle or shotgun from 10 or more imported parts, as set forth in regulations in 27 C.F.R. 478.39. In
    addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and advance approval by ATF. An
    application to make a machinegun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing
    that the firearm is being made for the official use of a Federal, State, or local government agency (18
    U.S.C. 922(o),(r); 26 U.S.C. 5822; 27 C.F.R. 478.39, 479.62, and 479.105).

    Currently there is a very pro-gun trend throughout the country. I do not see lawmakers stomaching any more gun-control any time soon. Personally, I would like to see many of our unconstitutional gun-control laws repealed or struck down by the courts.

  13. Just so you know, by melted · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's already illegal for a felon to have a weapon, and it's already illegal for anyone to use a weapon in the commission of a crime (and last I checked, shooting people _not_ in self defense is still a crime in this country). So your lawmaking escapade seems to be a little misplaced.