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Gun Rights Hacktivists To Fab 3D-Printed Guns At State Capitol
giulioprisco writes On January 13th Come And Take Texas (CATI) will be manufacturing 3D-printed firearms on location at the State Capitol. In 2013 Defense Distributed made public the 3D printable files (STL files) for the world's first fully 3D printable gun. Their more recent Ghost Gunner is designed to automatically manufacture publicly created designs with nearly zero user interaction. According to CATI’s website, “In the last year and a half Texan Gun Rights Groups all around the Lone Star State have walked, assembled, and engaged in Humanitarian efforts all while Open Carrying their Long Guns and Black Powder Pistols. This has succeeded in Educating the Public as well as Law Enforcement, to show that the presence of Firearms in Public is not only Safe but Highly supported.”
is Still a Lost Art. Thank goodness for "Educating" the Public.
If there's anything that'll push forward legal restrictions on 3D printers/home CNC, it'll be assholes like this making a media push over how easy it is to make weapons and OMG THE CHILDREN. This is why we can't have nice things.
They think they're protesting against gun control, but they're actually making a powerful and probably effective protest for 3D printer control.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
It seems to me that there has been a lot of media and public backlash against open carry. I'm not personally affected by open carry at the moment, but I'd be hesitant to visit any state where open carry becomes too prolific. My opinion is simply that when everyone open carries, I will have a harder time discerning who is a threat and who isn't.
Because a right not exercised is a right lost .
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
This has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment and as soon as a 3D printer is used to manufacture a weapon that bypasses x-ray scanning and used in a protected place (such as a court house or similar), things will change.
It isn't the gun that's the killer, its the bullet, you can fire a bullet with nothing but a nail and hammer.
Guns don't kill people, bullets in the hands of gun nuts kill people.
they are afraid to do Normal 100%
"Open Carrying their Long Guns and Black Powder Pistols. This has succeeded in Educating the Public as well as Law Enforcement, to show that the presence of Firearms in Public is not only Safe but Highly supported.”
UNLESS your are black.
Lots of people of color in those states. I suspect they would see a completely different reaction to their open carry position ...
Heck, they can't even look at toy guns in a toy store without being killed.
This is so obvious it should have been first post.
It seems to me that there has been a lot of media and public backlash against open carry. I'm not personally affected by open carry at the moment, but I'd be hesitant to visit any state where open carry becomes too prolific. My opinion is simply that when everyone open carries, I will have a harder time discerning who is a threat and who isn't.
You do realize what OPEN carry means, right? It generally means on the hip, outside the clothes, ie. in plain view. As in, you know EXACTLY who is carrying and who isn't. Now, CONCEALED carry is where the firearm is tucked away in a pocket, or a shoulder holster under a jacket, or inside the waistband. Concealed carry is when you don't know who is armed and who isn't. For gun control advocates open carry should be preferable to concealed carry, because you can at least tell who is armed and who isn't.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
....I'm delighted.
If anything is finally going to get the country off it's collective @ss on reigning in the completely unrestricted gun rights the NRA continually lobbies for, it's individuals creating unregulated, untraceable guns (with a line eventually on getting to non-metal-detectable guns) on the gates of the state capital in a major pro-gun state.
the Police Commisioner is calling for a 3-D printed Batman
would someone please post the 2nd amendment, in its entirety, or at least the first part about a State run and organized militia. oh yeah, I forgot, the Constitution and the Bible are only suggestions, not for literal translation.
The only reason to open carry is to try and get laid. Who has the largest weapon?
Get you a gun and take the goddam thing home.
We have a nut job here who open-carried an AR-15 into a mall unannounced.
People ran and hid and called 911. Whet the fuck was he thinking? Now the mall has the 30.06 "no gun of any kind, including licensed concealed carry" posted at all the entries.
And black powder pistols????
You can't pick your fucking fights?
Look into the Texas open carry stupidity and the subtext is cop-hating.
Assholes, every one of them.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
its actually "Come and Take It Texas," an antagonistic reference by gun owners to the perceived threat to their second amendment. CATI has organized armed marches through grocery stores and starbucks. their members have been arrested for disrupting executive sessions of government meetings and marched through Houstons Fifth Ward despite the communities objection. Theyre convinced the Bureau of Land Management is somehow "stealing" texas land, that gun control is racist, and that a new "bundy 2.0" is coming to Texas as well. The most 'hacktivism' theyve done to date has been a march on SXSW, but i guess its a matter of opinion as to whether these are hacktivists or crackpots with a printer.
Good people go to bed earlier.
Why? Because :
1) Our gun laws are already so loose that it's easy to buy an illegal gun. No need to print it out.
2) It takes too long to make. You go and buy one in ten minutes.
3) Most gun deaths are crimes of passion/accidents. In either case, you are not going to print a gun first to do it.
4) The real 'advantages' of said gun - it's a virgin gun unconnected to any thing else and being able to melt it down to destroy the evidence, are not that important. They don't apply in accidental deaths and most murders would rather use a proven weapon that isn't likely to blow up on you.
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Interesting country, where white folks earnestly protest that they should be able to openly carry weapons and not be viewed as a threat, while black folks have to protest that they should be able to walk around unarmed and not be viewed as a threat.
Nobody accepts openly carried firearms. It's just stupid, insecure men trying to show off. I think almost everyone should have a gun but CONCEALED on them. Otherwise guess who the criminal is shooting first. There's no point in carrying a gun unless nobody knows it's there.
The goal and dream of the "starve the beast" group has been realized, the government has been shrunk small enough to be drowned in a bath tub. And the big banks and the financial industry has promptly drowned it in the bath tub. What these people see as government is nothing but reanimated corpse, the zombie totally under the control of these big players. The banks are still too big to fail, they have to be protected at all costs, and the costs are being paid by the ordinary American citizens. For example they took the money printed by the Feds during the "Quantitative Easing" and "invested" it all over the world. Now they are bellyaching, if the oil prices fall and the US dollar strengthens they will suffer losses. They want to be bailed out or dollar weakened to protect their "investments". With the cheap money they have bought commodities and are speculating on it, sucking all profits from all economic endeavors of all the sectors.
These guys banded together and make the BLM back off from collecting the million dollar grazing fee default by Cliven Bundy. Can they make the big banks back off from any fraudulently signed eviction notices or auctions? Can they save one small business from the banks?
The banks are the serious threat to our liberties, they have taken control of the government machinery with all the legislators from both parties in their pocket. And now printing a few plastic guns is going to restore our freedom and liberty? These guys are joking, these guys are probably put up by the banks to distract us from the real issues. They probably don't even realize they are being played by the banks.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
...is exactly what we need. After all if, Veronica Rutledge had a backup gun she'd still be alive today.
If you don't plan on using any of these much vaunted gun rights to defend the other rights in your Constitution, WTF is the point?
If you're going to say "well, the 1st amendment is shot, the 4th is being ignored, the 5th is being tramped on, but I have my gun" ... why the hell are you even bothering??
Why are none of you gun advocates killing off the NSA officials and the rest of the security people who are shitting all over the rest of your fucking rights? Or are you just a bunch of one trick ponies who only give a crap about your guns?
If so, you should seriously STFU and start worrying about the other rights they've been taking away from you. Otherwise you're just a bunch of children playing cowboy.
Or should we conclude gun advocates are totally OK with tyranny and the erosion of your other rights?
If you won't defend the rest of your Constitutional rights, you don't deserve this one either.
Pathetic.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
BLAM BLAM BLAM.
Now that's settled, let's talk about grammar...
The NRA has a problem with those kooks in Texas.
These kooks even try to intimidate people who may disagree with them.
And their premise that it is safe is wrong.
And as someone who goes to the shooting range(s) once in a while, I can tell that most of those folks seem to think that they are living an action movie. Aside from the few hunters and target/skeet shooters (me), the rest of them think the "bad guys" are just itching to break into their home, rape their women, take their big screen TVs and their Arnold, Steven Segal, Chuck Norris DVD collections. Those are the guys with the military styled guns on the range - with their fetish for .223 and .40. They are the ones who talk about "stopping power" and "penetration" and other ballistic shit.
We normal guys try to stay away from them and cringed when we see those redneck morons in Texas acting like jackasses.
Well in the case of Michael Brown, he tried to violently disarm a police officer which is about one of the most threatening things you can possibly do to a police officer.
So what if the man was unarmed? You think unarmed men cannot be existential threats to people with guns? Tell that to anyone little woman with a small handgun who is facing a violent felon who outweighs her 50-100lb.
The whole idea is stupid - good quality guns in the US (where this is going on) are cheap and easily available. 3D printed guns are expensive and incredibly unsafe, because they're not only made of bonded plastic powder or filament, which can't stand up to the stress of gunpowder exploding, so the guns risk exploding and injuring the user, and in any case will be inaccurate and have a very short useful life. You could make a better "gun" with a block of wood and a drill, more quickly and at lower cost.
The only perspective from which this makes sense is that they're gun fanatics trying to attach themselves to 3D printing for PR purposes, to promote their theory that there need to be more guns in the US, and that they be completely uncontrolled, which is a position that is not only extremely unpopular (90% of the US supports background checks, so violent felons can't easily get guns, and only a few fanatics think that it's a good idea for guns to not be detected by metal detectors).
So really, why promote a few fanatics who, if successful, would lead to even more gun deaths in the US? With the internet we can't stop them completely, but by giving them front-page promotion, we're just encouraging them, which is (IMO) extremely bad judgement.
Enable 3D printed prosthetics!
Perhaps they can show us how to print white sheets and hoods next?
I don't really get it. I thought it is easy to get a real gun in US. As for outside of US, it is useless - all that 'lower receiver' trick is very US specific, in Europe you will have major problems to get all the other parts as well, not to mention ammunition and even if you get them, you will got to jail anyway for having illegal weapon.
So, assuming it is US-only trick, why people are so excited about being able to produce your own, medicore receivers instead of buying good ones from the shop? Is it about full auto setting (if it works at all with printed receivers)? Being scared that government knows that you have a gun (while there is NO way they could trace you buying 3d printer, stl files and other parts in same day to same address?)?
I am then arguing that the perosn you know for a fact is armed is less of a potential threat than someone who MIGHT be armed.
That is 100% circumstance dependent. A threat you know about can easily be more dangerous than a threat you do not know about. It does not follow in all circumstances that just because you know about a threat that you can avoid or mitigate it. Sometimes a visible threat is more serious than any reasonably likely potential but as yet unseen threat. If I'm trapped in an alley with someone I know is carrying a gun then they are almost certainly the greatest threat to me.
The greatest threat is always the threat you can't identify.
So if someone has a gun pointed directly at me I should be more worried about some threat I haven't yet identified? Curious logic you have there. Risk is circumstance dependent. Sometimes the visible threat is the one you should worry about most. Other times you should worry more about the one you haven't seen yet. A blanket statement that "the greatest threat is the one you can't identify" simply doesn't fit in all circumstances.
So many gun deaths that interested parties prevent statistics and defined circumstance from being collated across all states.
Advocates only changing their mind when senseless gun violence results in their dead disfigured child.
It is easy to see the senseless waste of life.
Other countries reached low levels of deaths that can only dreamed about in the USA, and took action.
Guns change a person's state of mind, looking at Police Chases on TV free sedatives would be a better idea.
I would say that giving everybody a gun could hurry Americans out of apathy, but collectively I think they must be thick. More interested in grammes that Life.
But the 2nd Amendment is different as it is the only one that should be exercised responsibly, since it is the only one that can actually kill or injure.
Umm, bullshit. Words can kill and injure. Not just figuratively either. Words can cause all sorts of harm.
If we read the 1st Amendment the way you are proposing we read the 2nd, your right to Free Speech would likewise come with the following restrictions:
Is that your proposal, or are you going to suggest, we apply self-inconsistent set of rules, when reading the Bill of Rights?
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
"Hacktivists"
Can't people these days come up with anything more original than portamanteuas? They sound so goddam faggosexual, that it makes me want to go read People Magazine, to see what Brangelina is up too.
They are making responsible gun owners look bad
I don't live in Texas for very good reasons. This Gun Mania is one of them.
Sure, when they print 3D guns on the state capitol lawn they are heroes, but when I tried to set up my meth lab on the state lawn I was hauled off like a common criminal. Still I won't be impressed until someone makes a 3D printed robot made out of guns that shoots guns.
Hopefully they have made themselves aware of the most recent ATF ruling.
ATF Ruling 2015 1 Manufacturing and Gunsmithing - http://www.scribd.com/doc/2517...
Any person (including any corporation or other legal entity) engaged in the business of performing machining, molding, casting, forging, printing (additive manufacturing) or other manufacturing process to create a firearm frame or receiver, or to make a frame or receiver suitable for use as part of a “weapon which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive,” i.e., a “firearm,” must be licensed as a manufacturer under the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA); identify (mark) any such firearm; and maintain required manufacturer’s records. A business (including an association or society) may not avoid the manufacturing license, marking, and recordkeeping requirements of the GCA by allowing persons to perform manufacturing processes on firearms (including frames or receivers) using machinery or equipment under its dominion and control where that business controls access to, and use of, such machinery or equipment. ATF Ruling 2010-10 is hereby clarified.
use baby steps
Most gun control laws, as currently written, are unconstitutional. The reason they have stood for so long is either challenges were not brought, or the supremes refused to hear the case.
Heller and Peruta affirmed the individual right to bear arms for the purposes of individual self-defense as well as group defense . It is legal to manufacture firearms for personal use (and always has been). Licensing and serialization are only required if you choose to manufacture arms for sale to others.
The bottom line is that manufacturing your own weapons is legal - as per the ATF FAQ:
http://www.atf.gov/files/firea...
9. May I lawfully make a firearm for my own personal use, provided it is not being made for
resale?
Firearms may be lawfully made by persons who do not hold a manufacturer’s license under the GCA
provided they are not for sale or distribution and the maker is not prohibited from receiving or
possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from assembling a non-sporting semiautomatic
rifle or shotgun from 10 or more imported parts, as set forth in regulations in 27 C.F.R. 478.39. In
addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and advance approval by ATF. An
application to make a machinegun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing
that the firearm is being made for the official use of a Federal, State, or local government agency (18
U.S.C. 922(o),(r); 26 U.S.C. 5822; 27 C.F.R. 478.39, 479.62, and 479.105).
Currently there is a very pro-gun trend throughout the country. I do not see lawmakers stomaching any more gun-control any time soon. Personally, I would like to see many of our unconstitutional gun-control laws repealed or struck down by the courts.
Chicken shit, grow some balls. I guess your afraid of all the cops also...
What scares me is living in a country full of pussies who think the only people who should have guns are the government and the police.
I really can't stand the gun nut slant of Slashdot these days. Seems a lot of Linux geeks feel the need to compensate.
You're correct on the law, but you're off on the licensing bit.
Licensing and serialization are only required if you choose to manufacture arms for sale to others.
Automatic weapons are semi-banned, along with certain other types of weapons. All automatic weapons must be licensed by the ATF. They could change the law to include homemade weapons. Heller which you referenced makes note of common use for legal purposes restriction on firearms (I have a quote in an above post).
All you need is a length of steel pipe, a nail, a piece of wood, and a few other things that you can purchase at your local Home Depot for like 20 bucks. Just search for "pipe shotgun" on Youtube or Google. The "3D printing" makes for a good clickbait headline, but if you want a serviceable weapon, the $20 Home Depot Special is actually a better option, because it's more powerful and it won't blow up in your face.
"If a grandma had genitals of a man, she would be a grandpa". While I do think that carrying firearms onto the plane is a bad idea, in a critical situation like this, I'd rather a couple of folks on the plane had firearms or weapons of some sort. At the very least the pilots, and maybe some of the other staff.
It's already illegal for a felon to have a weapon, and it's already illegal for anyone to use a weapon in the commission of a crime (and last I checked, shooting people _not_ in self defense is still a crime in this country). So your lawmaking escapade seems to be a little misplaced.
Look at how you responded to a random internet post. Now imagine every person with your rage issues carrying around a loaded weapon.
Holy fucking shit do articles and the comments section of articles like these make me oh so fucking THANKFUL that I do not live in the USA. I never will, what a fucked up place!
Guns guns guns guns guns guns everywhere, fuck that shit.
Seriously, fuck. that. shit. What a horrible place to live.
Has first hand experience with how having a gun is NOT effective in most self defense cases. He's also a comic genius.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fP3HJVp3n9c
For a technical crowd, it's funny how we selectively use our technical educations...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncontrolled_decompression#Bullets_cause_explosive_decompression
Thank you for your commitment.
We are all so much safer.
Our founding fathers do not roll over in their graves at your efforts.
Sure, the ATF could change anything they like, but are unlikely to do so without a mandate from elected officials.
An outright ban on homemade firearms would definitely trigger a SCOTUS eligible case. The ATF and anti-gunners do not want that until the SCOTUS deck can be stacked with more liberal judges.
Why do you assume the ATF is against gun ownership?
They are using a cnc mill that is pre-programmed to complete what is known as an 80% lower. Basically machining a few cutouts and such to "complete" the lower.
I dunno what's sillier - making a hue and cry about "3D printed guns!" or the fact this piece of aluminum with holes in it is worthy of being classified as a firearm.
Not.
#JeSuisCharlie
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These dumb arses. They don't give a rotund rodents rectum who gets hurt. Glad I don't live in the USA
I'm a member of CATI and a resident of Austin who has found these open-carry walks to be completely uneventful. The most notable thing that's ever happened to me? Some old hippie called me an asshole -- as he walked by me, going the other direction. Big deal. But geez, we're engaging in political activity, reasonably well dressed (I try to be pretty well dressed every time), carrying a couple of flags, and almost every single comment from or interaction with onlookers has been positive. We drop by the coffee place on South Congress, and sometimes visit a couple of restaurants to eat, pile the rifles in a corner, and order food. Sometimes liberals calls the police on us and allege that we are being aggressive, and they duly show up, say hi to us, and leave. Austin police have been surprisingly professional in this regard.
Now, the 3D printing thing wasn't my idea, but I figure that after a little machine moves around for a good while and a chunk of metal or plastic comes out (I believe they're going to print an AR-15 lower), the world will not come to an end, nothing will explode, no children or innocent onlookers will be shot.... Really, nothing will happen, except that maybe a few people will be made to realize that the feds are intruding into our lives way too much. Now, Slashdot readers are notoriously liberal, so if you don't see the danger of impending communism here in the U.S., then I don't know what else to say, but remember that Germany was a surprisingly modern and enlightened place when Hitler was elected.
Consider the drug war. Oops, if you haven't lived in South Texas, maybe you don't know about the Constitution-free zones, or the rampant police corruption, or any of the other "benefits" of the drug war. Then let's consider the recent militarization of the police. Look the statistics up for yourself, since you won't believe them coming from me, I'm sure. But remember, cops almost never ever get indicted for killing people in cold blood, just because they can. Just because they are better than we are, and need to make it home to their families at night so they can turn around and do the same thing tomorrow. Ah, but you are probably blissfully ignorant of all of this going on around you.
Problems like that are what we're trying to change. Not everyone will agree with our methods, but we're really not bad guys for the most part. There are a few self-promoters in the mix, but I suppose that every group has those.
When a massacre happens, such as yesterday in Paris or in at any school in the USA or just when a politician is shot in the face:
Gun activist say: "It wasn't gun owners!!!"
Religious Aplogists say: "It weren't Muslims!!!"
But as a journalist said this morning in the post:
" It's war, but only one side is shooting."
-- 29A the number of the Beast
its mostly down to google being slow at getting updates out to makers. even some of its own most popular nexus devices still have no image for update, if tney cannot be arsed with their own kit, that is meant to get updates asap, such as nexus 7 lte, then they are going to being doing the same to device makers. does not help take up that early updaters had problems with lp 5.0,and needed sorting very quickly into lp 5.1..
Tell that to the mother of the two year old who played in mom's purse...oh, you cannot because the loaded and concealed weapon fired and killed the gun owner (mom). Guns in public are an incredibly safety hazard, especially with the legislation in some areas where murderers walk free claiming they "felt threatened". There is no limit on what the threats would be. If a loud car stereo is reason enough so might be an ugly christmas sweater or a baseball cap of the wrong team. Guns are designed to kill efficiently and with little effort. Why should it be fine to carry something that lethal around? And what does fall under "arms"? Smallpox virus? Enriched uranium? A canister of mustard gas? If anyone has these things in public they get instantly arrested and thrown in jail, but not for being a trigger happy concealed firearms fanatic? What the hell is wrong with this country???