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Unbundling Cable TV: Be Careful What You Wish For

schnell writes Consumers have long complained about the practice of "bundling" cable services and forcing customers to pay for channels they don't want — and an increasing number of "cord cutters" are voting with their wallets. But an article in the New York Times suggests that if cable companies are finally forced to unbundle their services it may actually result in higher prices and worse service. From the article: "there's another, more subjective dimension in which the rise of unbundled cable service may make us worse off. It's possible for a market to become more economically efficient while becoming less pleasant for consumers. For a prime example, head to your nearest airport."

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  1. And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Head to my nearest airport and observe what?

    1. Re:And? by rot26 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You missed the point... again.

      The "airport model" means that "normal" or base service is degraded into total uselessness, and you have to pay to add functionality until the service is no longer useless and/or intensely unpleasant. This may or may not be cheaper than what you had before... but you can't complain because you opened the door for a-la-carte pricing, which will inevitably be used to increase profits.

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    2. Re:And? by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The difference is that air transportation is the most practical (and often cheapest) way to reach many places. Cable is pure luxury. If the "base service" sucks, I just won't buy it. I don't have cable now - we instead watch the Netflix and Amazon stuff. Without commercials you don't even know what you are supposed to feel like you are "missing". People tell me about a good show and I'll get around to watching it eventually.

      Sports is another matter. I'm not a huge sports fiend, but it would be nice to catch a game now and then. As it is, I can only watch the broadcast games. I would probably pay them if they would take my money, but they won't.

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    3. Re:And? by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      However, what's wrong with bringing fewer bags, if you want to, or else paying the going price for the bags you really need?

      The cognitive burden of facing all those "decisions" and the constant bombardment of the nickle and diming fees makes the entire experience less enjoyable for everyone.

      Imagine a game where you paid a fee to unlock each level, each quest, each item. If you don't play the game much, its more economical this way.

      However, the game itself isn't much fun because instead of playing it you spend all your time deciding whether its really worth another 50 cents for a bigger bag or whether that dungeon is going to be worth $2 or whether equipping this item is really worth another 25 cents...

      I'd MUCH rather pay $30 for the game, and have it all available, even if I don't end up exploring every nook and cranny.

    4. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm going to respond to why a national healthcare is useful.

      I live in Canada, we have provided for healthcare (dental and eye are extra, but I'm not going to go into that)

      1) I pay the same regardless of how much I use it, which means that if Im super healthy, then yay. If I'm like a couple people I know that are friends of the family and require medication or services on a weekly basis that would cost 20k each time to live (and live well, its not life support just disease management) then it costs me the same.
      1b) I get a warm fuzzy feeling knowing that costs that I can afford help provide health care to everyone regardless easily and above board
      2) Men can get breast cancer too, though I believe its certianly not as commen
      2b) Men get prostrate cancer quite - its pretyt comparable and listed as more common in Canada
      3) I make 80k+ salary - I'm sure its not the same everywhere, but the amount that goes to healthcare would be about 8k supposedly (10%) (just grabbing some internet stats take with salt) - the average in the US would put me around 4.5k supposedly - again internet stats - while I pay almost twice as much, its basically a flat percentage based on my income, I can use it everyday and it doesn't care about pre-existing conditions and no extra deductible for services or whatnot.

      Perhaps at higher income levels even if you used it more than average it might still be cheaper than having health insurance, but then the cost is not as much as a problem. The overall benefits seem mich greater than saving a few bucks. If I made significantly less then the numerical value is even less and on par, plus if you're a student, not working or whatnot you're still fully covered.

  2. In other words ... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When one revenue stream goes away, corporations will gouge their customers in other ways to make up the difference, or make more money in the long run.

    The cable companies are screwing us now, and will continue to screw us in the future using whatever means available to them.

    It's a rigged game, played by people who feel entitled to the revenue, and who have more power than we do.

    This isn't a surprise, nor should it be.

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    1. Re:In other words ... by Rockoon · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The cable companies are screwing us now, and will continue to screw us in the future using whatever means available to them.

      You are behaving exactly as if your cable plan is worth the money that you are paying for it, while you are saying stuff that doesnt agree with your actions.

      I know for a fact that the cable plans offered to be arent worth the money, which is precisely why I am not a subscriber. Because of this it is not possible for me to get "screwed" by the cable company the way you claim that you are.

      Its called a free market. You choose what you spend your money on. Clearly you are:

      (A) not a rational actor (because you choose to pay for something that you do not believe is worth what it costs)
      (B) just another fucking liar (because you actually feel the cable plan that you subscribe to is worth the money that you are spending for it)
      (C) a worse liar (because you don't even have a cable plan while claiming to be getting "screwed" by the cable company)

      I dont care which one you are. In none of the cases is your opinion about getting "screwed" worth a fuck.

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  3. Worse service? by bananaquackmoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Worse service? Than a cable company? I'm 99.99% sure that is impossible.

  4. Or it could lower the cost. by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With fewer channels on average the value of the advertising per channel should go up. So while Logo will probably end up with less money and cost more if you really want it or go away completely. Cartoon network, AMC, and other popular channels might actually drop in price so they can sell more ads.

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  5. "May"? by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "May" actually result in high prices and worse services? Of *course* it'll result in high prices and worse services, when the cable companies are *forced* to do anything. What you think, they'll go "ok we've learned our lesson, we're going to play nice now".?

    The real answer is to starve them out. Use alternate services whenever possible. Don't give in to cable. If there's a series you want to see, wait for netflix or hulu. Or lower your expectations for TV-brain-to-mush time. I'm not a "kill your tv" person but TV just isn't important enough to put up with cable in any fashion.

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  6. Re:Airline anaolgy is incorrect by dirk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The bigger problem is that a lot of these channels will probably go away if they get rid of bundling. A lot of the smaller niche channels survive until they can support themselves by being bundled with more popular channels (and many of them never make any money and totally live off of other channels). If bundling is gone, then every channel basically has to be making money in a short amount of time or they will be gone.

    For example, I would bet dollars to donuts that the Sci-Fi channel didn't make any money for years. It survived because it was bundled with other channels so cable companies were forced to carry it. Basically, unbundling means the channels downgrade to the lowest common denominator because no one will be willing to spend the money on hoping a channel can find it's audience.

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  7. The Problem is Monopoly, Not Bundling by crunchygranola · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The real problem with cable companies is not that they "bundle" to create fixed service packages - it is that they are effective monopolies providing an essential service, that escape any meaningful regulation that such a model absolutely requires for to protect the interests of the public. As long as this situation persists any service pricing scheme is going to gouge the customers for Internet access as well as TV access.

    The weakness of regulation is nicely conveyed by the the FCC itself:

    Your local franchising authority - the city, county or other governmental organization authorized by your state to regulate cable television service - legally may (but is not required to) regulate the rate your cable TV provider can charge for "basic" cable service. The rates you pay for other cable programming and services, such as expanded cable channel packages, premium movie channels and pay-per-view sports events, are set by your cable TV provider.

    So no regulation by any government body for "non basic services". And "basic service" regulation is entirely optional, and left piecemeal to lower levels of government where it is always ineffective in exercising oversight for national corporations which practice cartel-like collusion to protect their margins and market share.

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  8. Re:Airline anaolgy is incorrect by gurps_npc · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I agree this is probably true. But it's not a bad idea, it's a good idea. Specifically, it's called capitalism.

    Good channels survive. For example the Sci-Fi channel does not exist. There is an abomination called the SyFy channel that should die a horrible death. Why? They screwed themselves. Before they even changed their name, they abandoned good Sci-Fi for wrestlers talking about vampires for some god forsaken reason.

    But getting rid of bad channels is not a bad thing. New channels will take their place. Good TV will still find a place to get made. They need to fire those idiots and let someone else with more brains and less marketing have a go at it.

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  9. Re:Airline anaolgy is incorrect by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is true, but... do we really need channels at all?

    Personally, all I'm interested in is shows. There are a handful of shows on TV every season that I want to watch, and I don't care what channel they're on. I don't care what time slot they're on. All I actually care about is, when is it available for on-demand viewing?

  10. One good reason for unbundling: The Kardiashians by joabj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My problem with bundling is that your cable dollars *underwrite* crap like the Kardiashian shows, whether you watch them or not. I don't, but through my cable bill, I'm as responsible for the Kardiashians (as a media entity) as much as anyone.

    I'm surprised more people aren't irked at this aspect, that as cable subscribers, they are funding any shows/channels they detest.

  11. Re:Airline anaolgy is incorrect by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree this is probably true. But it's not a bad idea, it's a good idea. Specifically, it's called capitalism.
    Good channels survive. For example the Sci-Fi channel does not exist. There is an abomination called the SyFy channel that should die a horrible death. Why? They screwed themselves. Before they even changed their name, they abandoned good Sci-Fi for wrestlers talking about vampires for some god forsaken reason.

    But getting rid of bad channels is not a bad thing. New channels will take their place. Good TV will still find a place to get made. They need to fire those idiots and let someone else with more brains and less marketing have a go at it.

    False.

    Cable channels ALREADY have prepared for a la carte. And they're not going the "better channels" route. They're going the "more eyeballs" route.

    First, you'll notice that your favorite programs are now spread across three or four channels. What used to be on History is now on H2/H3/other associated channels now. What used to be on Discovery is now on Science and the other channels.

    Next, have you noticed how the main channels like Discovery and History have gone practically all reality? Guess what? That's on purpose - because those kind of shows are popular with the public and get the eyeballs in. More eyeballs means more people wanting that channel.

    Your model is called the PBS model. No, we're not going to get more PBS-like programming channels (ever notice how PBS, who doesn't worry about eyeballs, always seems to keep a high level of programming and no ads?). Even so, PBS is under attack because of taxpayer funding through various means.

    In the battle for subscribers, you don't get them by producing thoughtful shows. You get them by producing crap that gets eyeballs in. Few want good documentaries on World War II. More want more Pawn Stars (and they want drama, not crap about crap), more people racing each other through dirt countryside and all that.

    Oh wait, you'll need ot purchase 4 channels now for that to spread the eyeballs around, too.

    In short - only two ways to get good programming - PBS, or subscriber funded channels like HBO. The other channels? They're going to fight tooth and nail for eyeballs.

    And yes, it'll cost more. After all, Discovery by itself is around 25 cents/subscriber/month, with all the bundling they force, it's probably closer to 40-45 cents. You can bet your cable provider will charge 25 cents or more for each channel. Maybe a whopping dollar per channel (right now, less than $1 of your fees are for Discovery).

    You want to see savings? ESPN charges $10-15/subscribe/month. Probably more because of bundling.

    Trust me, the networks are all prepared for this day. And they're not going after the people who want to see smarter TV programming. They're going after the lowest common denominator because there are more of them than you. History and Discovery catering to you? Probably a few subscribers. Cater to the crowds? At least 10 times, if not more subscribers.

  12. I am not sure it is the Cable Companies Fault by weiserfireman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have a couple friends who are senior people at Cable companies I am not sure it is always the Cable companies fault.

    1. Cable companies have to pay distributors to license feeds
    2. Those distributors bundle their channels. One or two popular channels, 8 - 10 undesirable ones. Cable company has to buy the whole block, it is priced as a monthly charge per subscriber to the tier that includes the block.
    3. Distributors are always trying to raise the rates. Thats when you get the websites about "Tell Comcast you want to keep your channels", because the cable company is trying to hold the line on price increases
    4. ESPN is the most expensive part of the cable bill. Last I saw the numbers, it cost the Cable company $5 per subscriber per month. It is probably higher now. That is why there has been an explosion of Sports Networks on cable. They are all trying to get that sweet sweet cash flow that ESPN gets.
    5. The content providers have been fighting al a carte pricing. It will signal the death of a lot of channels that get few viewers. In the end, it may lead to less choice

    My Cable company was very slow to get a lot of HD channels. My friend told me it was part of their strategy to hold the line on prices. They refused to pay extra to include HD feeds. Their belief was, the production company already had sunk the costs into producing the show in HD. It cost them extra to produce a non-HD feed. A customer who was watching the HD channel, was not benefiting from having the non-HD channel available too.

    Maybe if I ever had Comcast, my attitude would be different, but I feel like my Cable company is doing what they can to control costs.

  13. Re:Airline anaolgy is incorrect by Sri+Ramkrishna · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can thank our Republican friends for this. Apparently, they've seen to have forgotten the happy days of growing up on Seseame Street and The Electric Company.

  14. Re:Spirit? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You have to pay for baggage, seat choice, etc, etc.

    No you don't "have to". I don't pay for baggage, I carry a backpack. I don't pay for a seat choice, I take what I get. I don't pay for meal, I pack a PBJ. I never pay a dime above the base fare, with is considerably lower than the old "full service" fare. You are just whining that no one else is subsidizing your choices.