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How Close Are We To Engineering the Climate?

merbs writes The scientists had whipped themselves into a frenzy. Gathered in a stuffy conference room in the bowels of a hotel in Berlin, scores of respected climate researchers were arguing about a one-page document that had tentatively been christened the "Berlin Declaration." It proposed ground rules for conducting experiments to explore how we might artificially cool the Earth—planet hacking, basically. This is the story of scientists' first major international meeting to tackle geoengineering. It’s most commonly called geoengineering. Think Bond-villain-caliber schemes but with better intentions. It’s a highly controversial field that studies ideas like launching high-flying jets to dust the skies with sulfur in order to block out a small fraction of the solar rays entering the atmosphere, or sending a fleet of drones across the ocean to spray seawater into clouds to make them brighter and thus reflect more sunlight. Those are two of the most discussed proposals for using technology to chill the planet and combat climate change, and each would ostensibly cost a few billion dollars a year—peanuts in the scheme of the global economy. We’re about to see the dawn of the first real-world experiments designed to test ideas like these, but first, the scientists wanted to agree on a code of ethics—how to move forward without alarming the public or breaking any laws.

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  1. Once we start there's no stopping. by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We'll be chasing it back and forth like crazy, every time a storm pops up.

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  2. These people scare me by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    more than climate change ever will.

    1. Re:These people scare me by Hardhead_7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      more than climate change ever will.

      As opposed to the people changing the climate now with no code of ethics?

    2. Re:These people scare me by MightyMartian · · Score: 1, Insightful

      By fucking them over in the long run.

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    3. Re:These people scare me by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "the climate is always changing."

      A statement about as useful to climatology as saying "the patient is going to eventually die" to medical research.

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  3. We already are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's what Global Warming is.

    How much effort does that require? Now, do you think some magic sprinkle will reverse it? That's like sitting on a couch for 40 years, then expecting 5-min of effort, one time, and a pill to become a competitive long distance runner.

    Global Warming will require a larger effort to reverse than the one that created it.

    1. Re:We already are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Global Warming will require a larger effort to reverse than the one that created it.

      The real word for it is selfishness. We're just stealing from future generations. Same thing happened with air, trees, minerals, oil and water resources. We shit all over them to make a penny today and in the process it costs our progeny exponentially more to clean it up. It's how it's always been and we persist it, snowballing the total cost.

      "You can't do that, our GDP would drop by $10 million!" == "It'll cost trillions for someone else to clean up."

  4. Good Luck by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Trying to actively control a massive, chaotic system is not going to end well. The only stable configurations that pop out of computer models of the climate are the snowball Earth and the Venus 2.0 scenario. The only right way to play is to stop applying massive perturbations to the system and realize that even then the climate will change.

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  5. Start with Venus... by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems a bit frightening to start out on the planet we actually have to live on. This is not good engineering practice. If we make mistakes, it would be nice to do it on a planet where the consequences aren't quite as critical

    My proposal is that we should start out by gaining experience by modifying another planet. Let's work on terraforming Venus.

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  6. Re:Playing God with people's lives by Charliemopps · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When these "scientists" "change things" and some climate is altered, I can guarantee more than a billion people are going to complain about the change and the legal charges in the Hague against those that foisted off the plan and carried it out will be a circus.

    But there will come a point in the not too distant future when "Warming" will no longer be a debate, and no one will argue with the need to cool the earth. At that point things may be so dire that some countries might get so desperate that they just start little to no planning or forethought. That's why it's good to think about these sorts of things now, so they at least have some sort of scientific frame work to start with rather than doing something rash that may very well kill us all.

  7. Re:Summary video by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Isn't global warming [from greenhouse gases] an exponential system? When the planet gets warmer, doesn't that release more greenhouse gases from clathrates under the ocean, causing more warming?

    No, or warming would have "runaway" eons ago.