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Russia Says Drivers Must Not Have "Sex Disorders" To Get License
mrspoonsi writes Russia has listed transsexual and transgender people among those who will no longer qualify for driving licenses. Fetishism, exhibitionism and voyeurism are also included as "mental disorders" now barring people from driving. The government says it is tightening medical controls for drivers because Russia has too many road accidents. "Pathological" gambling and compulsive stealing are also on the list. Russian psychiatrists and human rights lawyers have condemned the move. The announcement follows international complaints about Russian harassment of gay-rights activists.
Will this include the typical Russian Elite who purchases small girls for sex?
Man, I'd be a better driver with my wanker removed. "Distractuious" women have caused most of my near misses.
Table-ized A.I.
Can't seem to find a link to any official government document about this. On the other hand, people tend to readily believe anything about Russia.
And yet alcoholism is not on this list of disorders that lead to increased road accidents...
It's only a disorder if it has a major negative impact on a person or society. The major negative impact from TG people is only that which society places on them and thus an unnatural impact. Simply being taboo is not a reason for discrimination against something.
The Russian economy is collapsing, the Ruble has plumetted, all because the entire economy depend on gas and oil sales and the price of oil has dropped due to fracking.
Putin, the election rigger, is to blame. So how do you draw attention away from Putin's failure to run the economy?
So his spin men have chosen a minority to attack, in this case transgender people, so he can whip up the homophobic portion of Russia and get them arguing with the more tolerant people, and nobody is looking at him, his failure and his corrupt dictatorship.
That's a weird criterion to use. So if my tuberculosis is under control, it's not a disease?
Tuberculosis is contagious, and thus has a negative impact on society. Transgenderism is not contagious. If I dress up in women's lingerie, that doesn't mean you have to.
Funnily enough, diseases and disorders don't mean the same thing. That's why we have two words for them.
There is no such thing as a mental disorder in science and there is no science behind the list of "mental" disorders listed by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). This manual is essentially a fraud and at the core of psychology. While there is no doubt in my mind that there are a lot of screwed up people there isn't a straightforward answer or solution to the problem. Psychology is a fraud- made up to take the money from those who can least protect themselves.
The list of disorders is a made up list by psychologists voting on what should be a “disorder”. It's not based on science and the industry which pushes drugs as the solution don't even know how these drugs work or what the causes of the supposed disorders are.
It's not ones sexuality that has a negative impact which is essentially what justifies calling these disorders or many anyway disorders. There is on the other hand a societal problem of people abusing those who don't or can't conform. It doesn't matter if its the color of your skin or your sexual interests.
Here is a good example: Why did they remove homosexuality and not pedophilia from the list? You might think it's because pedophiles are a danger. However it makes absolutely no sense logically speaking. It's pretty safe to assume most people have something called self-control even if they are in a sexual minority. They don't just go out and rape people at random no matter how difficult it is to find a sexual partner. So where is the evidence it is somehow different for pedophilia? The reality is there is no evidence at all. Physiologists can't even begin to conduct studies that hold up to scientific scrutiny because the legal system and society has ensured those who have not acted criminally (ie raped a child, etc) are excluded from the study (ie no human being is going to answer these questions who has not committed a crime and been convicted because it risks employment, housing, and potentially even jail time regardless of any crime- even if the study is supposedly anonymous).
Yea I agree. Clearly there are some people in this country that see themselves as members of some of these mental and behavioral disorder groups and want to get a lot of people worked up about this. Hard to get worked up about who Russia gives driver licenses to when they are busy invading and annexing other neighboring countries and shooting down civilian airliners (well. to be fair, just one recently). Perhaps those who live lifestyles that many would consider perversion could effect more change in Russia by opposing Putin's invading other nations than by opposing who they give the privilege of driving to.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
"negative impact on society"
read that again
then respond
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
And a lot of the reason for them being unhappy is how the rest of the world treats them. That's not their fault. As to the rest, well, presumably it's being done because it's better than the alternative.
Ezekiel 23:20
You don't understand the issue. You've heard of alien hand syndrome, yes? It's where your brain is telling you that your body is wrong in some way. It's not fixable and not a choice. It's not a disorder that hurts anyone else, but it will completely fuck up your life. The only way to get your brain to stop destroying everything good in your life is to change your body. No one at any point is being coddled, for most people the best outcome is a slightly better circle of hell, and only after what is invariably the worst time of your life.
You only get one life, and for a huge percentage of transgender people, between the options of life with body dysphoria and self-mutilation, death is a preferable alternative. And yes, even if you are transgender, it's still (more or less) thought of as a mutilation, a relatively risky procedure with many drawbacks, a chance of terrible complications, and a lifetime of medication afterwards. In a few centuries when gene splicing is perfected, your style of bigotry will still exist, because it has nothing to do with the state of medical science and everything to do with rejecting others who are different. And believe it or not, no one really cares what your opinion is — no one is going to try to change your mind about it. If you think it is okay to contribute to the torment and suicide of other people, we clearly have opposite notions of morality, but so be it. What we are going to do is insist that you not be a bigoted asshole in public, and especially not in public office and public legislation.
The major negative impact from TG people is only that which society places on them and thus an unnatural impact.
Yes, just wait until some of them get beaten up or killed on the streets as a result of this policy.
Then, they'll probably also be barred from taking public transportation or using the sidewalks, to avoid the poor other citizens from beating up on them.
It's a common side effect of a leader removing any potential competition for his job.
Which is the point...Putin is an unreconstructed Chekist and will continue to distract his oppressed population with this and other nonsense, plus of course more serious meddling like Ukraine and Syria.
Since the average Russian is typically homophobic, racist, and "patriotic", this is an easy play.
Putin is mired in corruption, has totally failed to deliver on economic & political reforms and re-balancing the economy and the Ruble is tanking in the wake of falling oil prices.
So expect plenty more of this rubbish.
Actually improving road safety would involve "hard" stuff like tackling endemic police and court corruption, drink driving (although the legal limit is theoretically zero), anti-social attitudes and quasi-mafia idiots driving too fast in SUVs equipped with automatic weapons and large lights on the back specifically designed to blind people following them.
Ever wondered why you see so many youtube videos of "funny" things on Russian roads? It's because many people have dashboard cams to support their case with the insurance company when the inevitable accident happens; it really is that bad.
> While pshycology is not as easy as other medicine and physics, there is no doubt that it is a science,
There is certainly _some_ science. But a tremendous amount of it is theory driven nonsense. Look at how psychological and psychiatric was limited until the discovery of seasonal affective disorder, the better diagnosis and treatment of post-traumatic stress disorder, and the unfurling of phobias from the "hidden memory theories" that Freud popularized.
The reference to David Miscavige and Tom Cruise looks like a reference to Scientology, which makes clearly fraudulent claims about "scientific" discovers but are actually rooted in hypnosis and conditioning under a lie detector.
You know, maybe next we should just put them all in camps, concentrate them, so they're away from "decent" people. And then, perhaps, make them wear something so we all know who they are, like a pink triangle or something?
Of course, these are all just temporary measures; I'm sure we'll ultimately come up with a better Final Solution...
-Styopa
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Is there simply enough anti-homosexual bias in Russian culture, as in much of the USofA, for Putin to make political "points" by picking on them?
Is he thinking of using a relatievly powerless "out" group for a Kristallnacht if the economy experiences problems due to falling oil prices?
Pay-back, which he is known to do, for not supporting his acquisition of power?
Wild idea: is he thinking he can pressure homosexuals to produce more children as as some sort of social "cover", to build a population for a war?
Something else?
The authors of this law were, it seems to me, (if I can depend on the translation being close to accurate), fairly rigorous in their definitions so as to make it clear that only conditions which actually affect one's ability to drive safely are listed.
And how exactly is (F64.0) Transsexualism affecting your ability to drive?
You, and the mods who gave you points, are either ignorant or biased to the point of imbecility.
Putin has already been clearly shown to use the most tenuous pretexts to use Russia's courts to beat, imprison & kill his opponents. Changing the laws so that the F64 & F65 codes disqualify people from having a drivers license WILL be used.
Putins goons will stop & strip search critics just as they do now. They'll just replace his underwear with ladies & boom, F65.1: No drivers licence for you, pervert...
Democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the issue
And a lot of the reason for them being unhappy is how the rest of the world treats them. That's not their fault.
Well, the Russians bring this on themselves by continuously electing a "strong leader" who can "stand up to the West" because it has relegated them to a has-been world power.
Oh, you meant transgendered people.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.